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Norway, Britain Scramble Jets on Russ Bombers

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Posted by: kwflatbed

Norway, Britain Scramble Jets on Russ Bombers



On Tuesday and Thursday of this week, two Russian Tupolev 95 "Bear" bombers approached Norwegian airspace and flew south along the coast toward the oil fields of the North Sea.



Two Norwegian F-16 fighter jets were scrambled to escort and monitor the bombers.
The Russian bombers first flew south along the coast of northern Norway on Tuesday, off Finnmark County. They made two more lengthy sorties late Thursday night, prompting Norwegian jets to fly out to meet them once again.

"We followed them for a while to the coast of Nord-Trondelag, where they turned around," said military spokesman John Inge Oglaend of the Tuesday incident. Last night's flights went farther south into the North Sea, to the region between Stavanger and Aberdeen, the heart of the British and Norwegian oil industry.

The British Defense Ministry confirmed that two of its Tornado fighter jets were also dispatched to monitor the Russian bombers since they flew closer to British airspace than usual.

Military officials said the bombers never entered Norwegian or British airspace but came close and flew an unusually long flight for a training mission. Officials said it's been many years since Russian bombers had been so close to Norway and Great Britain leading to speculation that the flights might be related to diplomatic stress between Russia and Britain. Russia refused to extradite a key suspect in the murder of a Russian dissident, Alexander Litivenko, residing in London.

Russian authorities claim the bombers were simply on a training mission. Frankly, I think it's more believable that the bombers were sent to test air defense systems of NATO. Russian President Putin has adopted a rather unfriendly posture toward the West and he's capable of virtually anything.

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Posted by: Killjoy

Considering the state of the Russian military, combined with the fact that former warsaw pact nations like Poland and the Czech Republic (who are upgrading to western weaponry and equipment) are now members of NATO, I think Putin would have his ass handed to him if he tried the "aggression" track of the old soviet bear. Then again, there's always France.



Posted by: Wolfman

SFR's



Posted by: mpd61

Quote:
Originally Posted by Killjoy
Considering the state of the Russian military, combined with the fact that former warsaw pact nations like Poland and the Czech Republic (who are upgrading to western weaponry and equipment) are now members of NATO, I think Putin would have his ass handed to him if he tried the "aggression" track of the old soviet bear. Then again, there's always France.

No kiddin! Poor fellow needs to remember who payed to make his Typhoon SSBN's into razorblades...Best defense appropriation in the last ten years!




Posted by: USMCTrooper

I think there will be another cold war soon enough......I dont trust Russia, never have.



Posted by: Wolfman

Keep an eye on the Russians, but keep a better eye to their south and east...



Posted by: rg1283

Russia can still cause havoc, all though their military equipment is in as good a shape as some Town Police cruisers.



Posted by: screamineagle

After seeing the chechnyan's hand russia their ass not once but twice, PUtin better rethink any ideas he may have about a second cold war.



Posted by: KozmoKramer

The Russians always talked tough, but in the end were reasonable enough to know our destruction meant theirs as well.
Like Wolf said, south east certainly, but also south west are where we need to be concerned.
I fear more the adversary that isn't afraid to die, because it means unconditionally its you or me; no quarter, no surrender.



Posted by: mpd61

C-H-I-N-A is the next serious adversary, both economically and politically. Don't worry about russia...



Posted by: Killjoy

I wouldn't worry too much about China, at this point anyways. They are a "Regional Superpower" with significant military capability available only in their region of the world. They lack power projection capability; their Navy (named, no joke, The People's Liberation Army-Navy) is distinctly third class, their Air Force is severely technologically inferior to nearly all their neighbors (Japan with F-15s, E2C's FSX's, Korea with F-16's, Taiwan with F-16s, etc.), and their Army filled to the gills with poorly trained conscripts. They possess only 24 ICBM's (crappy copies of old 60's era liquid-fueled Russian rockets), and 2 ballistic missile submarines, so noisy the US Navy laughingly refers to them "Helen Kellers".

Still, as Stalin once said, "Quantity has a quality all its own", and their military is fairly large. They also possess a significant number of tactical nukes, deliverable by aircraft or artillery. They possess large numbers of tanks, artillery and APC's. But beyond the range their Army could literally walk to, the Chinese could do very little to influence world events. Mechanized armies depend on their supply lines, and the Chinese could not sustain a sea-line (to invade neighboring islands, like Taiwan), or an air-lane (to invade countries protected by mountainous terrain, like India), nor could they sustain any long land-lines (which could be torn to shreds by more air capable nations).

The Chinese military has taken steps to upgrade their equipment to modern first-world standards, like their new infantry rifle the QBZ-95/97 in a new caliber 5.8 X 42mm. They have also begun to vigorously train selected Army units to bring them up to higher standards, and get away from the "conscript mass attack" style of warfare. This, in itself, is ominous, as it is a change from the traditionally insular Chinese view of military tactics. But these changes take time, and it will probably be another 10-12 years before they can make any significant change to their Army's systems.



Posted by: Duff112

Quote:
Originally Posted by Killjoy
I wouldn't worry too much about China, at this point anyways. They are a "Regional Superpower" with significant military capability available only in their region of the world. They lack power projection capability; their Navy (named, no joke, The People's Liberation Army-Navy) is distinctly third class, their Air Force is severely technologically inferior to nearly all their neighbors (Japan with F-15s, E2C's FSX's, Korea with F-16's, Taiwan with F-16s, etc.), and their Army filled to the gills with poorly trained conscripts. They possess only 24 ICBM's (crappy copies of old 60's era liquid-fueled Russian rockets), and 2 ballistic missile submarines, so noisy the US Navy laughingly refers to them "Helen Kellers".

Still, as Stalin once said, "Quantity has a quality all its own", and their military is fairly large. They also possess a significant number of tactical nukes, deliverable by aircraft or artillery. They possess large numbers of tanks, artillery and APC's. But beyond the range their Army could literally walk to, the Chinese could do very little to influence world events. Mechanized armies depend on their supply lines, and the Chinese could not sustain a sea-line (to invade neighboring islands, like Taiwan), or an air-lane (to invade countries protected by mountainous terrain, like India), nor could they sustain any long land-lines (which could be torn to shreds by more air capable nations).

The Chinese military has taken steps to upgrade their equipment to modern first-world standards, like their new infantry rifle the QBZ-95/97 in a new caliber 5.8 X 42mm. They have also begun to vigorously train selected Army units to bring them up to higher standards, and get away from the "conscript mass attack" style of warfare. This, in itself, is ominous, as it is a change from the traditionally insular Chinese view of military tactics. But these changes take time, and it will probably be another 10-12 years before they can make any significant change to their Army's systems.
Killjoy-

Remind me to include you in any blogs I get into when it comes to debating
the military capabilities of foreign nations...Sheesh....

What you work for Jane's in your spare time



Posted by: KozmoKramer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Duff112
Killjoy - What you work for Jane's in your spare time..
I was thinking the same thing.
Excellent post Killjoy...



Posted by: mpd61

I agree, excellent post...
But I'm still right! n'yah n'yah

(Don't forget China's Naval base in California-Long Beach. Thanks Mr. Clinton!)



Posted by: Killjoy

Thanks, guys...I knew my nerdiness would come in handy somewhere.



Posted by: CJIS

Russia plants flag on North Pole seabed

(www.guardian.co.uk)
Russia today planted a flag on the North Pole's seabed in an attempt to declare sovereignty of the unclaimed land. The journey to the bottom of the sea began at an ice hole near the North Pole and the two Russian submarines dived to more than 4200 metres, according to the Itar-Tass news agency.



Posted by: Killjoy

I fail to see how planting a flag on the bottom of the ocean would somehow grant you sovereignty over the region. Putting a flag in the moon doesn't mean the moon is ours.



Posted by: dcs2244

Quote:
Originally Posted by Killjoy
I fail to see how planting a flag on the bottom of the ocean would somehow grant you sovereignty over the region. Putting a flag in the moon doesn't mean the moon is ours.
It's different rules for democrats...well, Russians...they're democrats, really.



Posted by: rg1283

They have nothing else to do.



Posted by: mpd61

Ahh...

We were there first, in the USS Nautilus SSN571, so tell em to screw themselves!






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