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Can a person be a full time police officer and a call firefighter for the same city?

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Posted by: bburkie

I currently work as a Reserve/ Intermittent Police Officer and a Call Firefighter for the same city. Both jobs are civil service. My question is, does anyone know if I was hired full time for one position, could I stay at employed at the other?



Posted by: PBC FL Cop

I knew a trooper who was also an on-call firefighter.



Posted by: SargeLorenzo

I believe departments all have their own policies regarding what kind, if any, of outside work you may have. It would be up to that policy and/or the chief.



Posted by: Delta784

That's like playing for the Red Sox and Yankees at the same time.



Posted by: OutOfManyOne

CHAPTER 41. OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES OF CITIES, TOWNS AND DISTRICTS

POLICE OFFICERS

Chapter 41: Section 97F. Firefighter duties; performance by police

Section 97F. No city or town shall require a member of its police department, or other employee with police powers, to perform the duties of a firefighter during his tour of duty; provided, however, that nothing in this section shall prohibit any such member from serving as a call or volunteer firefighter, or from responding to an emergency in the normal course of his duties. No police officer, or other employee with police powers, shall, in connection with any industrial or labor dispute, perform the duties of a firefighter or any duties other than those regularly assigned to him.



Posted by: csauce777

Quote:
Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne
CHAPTER 41. OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES OF CITIES, TOWNS AND DISTRICTS

POLICE OFFICERS

Chapter 41: Section 97F. Firefighter duties; performance by police

Section 97F. No city or town shall require a member of its police department, or other employee with police powers, to perform the duties of a firefighter during his tour of duty; provided, however, that nothing in this section shall prohibit any such member from serving as a call or volunteer firefighter, or from responding to an emergency in the normal course of his duties. No police officer, or other employee with police powers, shall, in connection with any industrial or labor dispute, perform the duties of a firefighter or any duties other than those regularly assigned to him.

Sounds like youre good to go...



Posted by: LTJMC

yes you can - i know of 2 f/t officers who work as call/volunteer ff's for the same town.



Posted by: masscopguy

And if you live in Lynnfield and happen to be married to Fire/Police Chief you can hold not 2 but 3 Public Safety Town jobs and somehow be on the clock for 2 of the jobs at the same time.



Posted by: Tango

Quote:
Originally Posted by [B
Delta784]That's like playing for the Red Sox and Yankees at the same time.
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Ha Ha!!



Posted by: firefighter39

Quote:
Originally Posted by LTJMC
yes you can - i know of 2 f/t officers who work as call/volunteer ff's for the same town.

There is nothing prohibiting it in the law, it is up to dept policy. Be aware that FLSA could be a problem if you are in the same city/town.

The city would be requiered to pay your Police Officer overtime rate when you are working as a Call FF. The feds view it as one employer (the city, not the individual depts with in the city) The good news is the feds do not actively investigate this and only react to complaints.

My dept had a similar situation in which a couple of full-time FF's and other town employes were Specials - US Dept of Labor came in to investigate an FLSA complaint and folks got back pay at their O.T rate for hours worked - So, now the town does not usually hire town employees from one dept to work part-time in another because of O.T. issues



Posted by: billb

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
That's like playing for the Red Sox and Yankees at the same time.
No... that's like playing for the Red Sox and Patriots at the same time



Posted by: bburkie

Quote:
Originally Posted by firefighter39
There is nothing prohibiting it in the law, it is up to dept policy. Be aware that FLSA could be a problem if you are in the same city/town.

The city would be requiered to pay your Police Officer overtime rate when you are working as a Call FF. The feds view it as one employer (the city, not the individual depts with in the city) The good news is the feds do not actively investigate this and only react to complaints.
I don't think that would affect me since my pay as a Call FF is a monthly even minimal rate regardless of hours worked. It isn't really a money making position, it's more to get you ready for a full time spot.





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