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Posted by: kwflatbed

A rendition of the 252-foot billboard that gun control advocate John Rosenthal will unveil tomorrow on the Massachusetts Turnpike near Fenway Park. The ransom-note looking sign is backed by city and state officials.

By Michael Levenson, Globe Staff | July 10, 2007

It looks like a ransom note, but it is not being sent by kidnappers. It is being promoted by the Patrick administration, the Boston Police Department, and the State Police, and delivered to drivers on the Massachusetts Turnpike courtesy of John Rosenthal, a provocative gun control activist from Newton.

"We have your President and Congress," declares the message in letters that look as if they had been snipped from a newspaper. It is signed simply, NRA, referring to the National Rifle Association, and will be unveiled today on a 252-foot billboard on the Mass. Turnpike near Fenway Park.
The message is the latest from Rosenthal, founder of Stop Handgun
Violence, who has for more than a decade used the billboard, which he owns, to promote stricter gun laws. In the past, he has erected a mock road sign that declared, "Welcome to Massa chusetts -- You're More Likely to Live Here," because Massachusetts has "the most effective gun laws," and a display that featured photos of 15 children who were shot to death, under the slogan, "The cost of handguns keeps going up. 15 kids killed every day."
His latest message has drawn support from Lieutenant Governor Timothy P. Murray, Public Safety Secretary Kevin M. Burke, Boston Police Commissioner Edward F. Davis, and State Police Colonel Mark Delaney, all of whom plan to attend a press conference to unveil the billboard today.

Full Story: http://www.boston.com/news/local/art...is_put_across/

Posted by: justanotherparatrooper

They are ASSHOLES

Posted by: pahapoika

what a bunch of pompous asses.

we have to dis-arm the peasants. they can't be trusted . only we the elite know what's best for you

Posted by: BB-59

So what are we the rank and file gonna do? Nothing absolutely nothing!

Our unions should get off there collective asses and send our own counter message that WE do not support this.

Remember, at some point you will leave law enforcement, hopefully retire health and happy. What do you think your chances are you (we) will have any gun rights left.

"That does not apply to us, were former law enforcement". Yeah, check out what San Francisco wants to do to LE. If the ordinance passes even full time LE will have to leave there gun at the station at the end of the shift.

Everyone bitches about the sheriff's getting involved in politics and putting there noses in where it does not belong, but the State Police and Boston Police advocate stripping everyone including LE eventually of our 2nd amemndment rights.

Ask anyone who applies for a permit in Boston how it is to get a permit then come back and explain how that has effected crime.

The Liberal solution to crime, "be a sheep and you may only be hurt a little bit".

Posted by: Wolfman

What complete and utter horseshit. How many cops in Massachusetts are NRA members?

Posted by: billb

hmmmmm.... a shot at the NRA. How appropriate... next let's blame Bush... yeah it must be his fault too... everything is his fault...

Posted by: Killjoy

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What complete and utter horseshit. How many cops in Massachusetts are NRA members?

I agree completely....one NRA member and police officer here!

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by BB-59

Everyone bitches about the sheriff's getting involved in politics and putting there noses in where it does not belong, but the State Police and Boston Police advocate stripping everyone including LE eventually of our 2nd amemndment rights.

The "State Police", as in the rank and file, all have individual opinions.

The Colonel is an appointed figure and thus will do as he is told. If Governor Patrick says to support it, he will regardless of his feelings or those of the men and women of the MSP.

Don't drag your ridiculous Sheriff's foolishness into this. Many Sheriffs would post a billboard supporting Osama Bin Laden if he thought it would get him votes.

Posted by: USMCTrooper

This is patrick and those who need to remain in good favor with him......whether they want to or not.

We should change his name from "free 'em all" deval to "take 'em all" deval.

Together We Can.......take away your guns.

Posted by: Otto

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Originally Posted by bbelichick

...The Colonel is an appointed figure and thus will do as he is told. If Governor Patrick says to support it, he will regardless of his feelings or those of the men and women of the MSP.

Don't drag your ridiculous Sheriff's foolishness into this. Many Sheriffs would post a billboard supporting Osama Bin Laden if he thought it would get him votes.

So, what is the difference? They are both doing what they think they need to do to keep their jobs.

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by Otto

So, what is the difference? They are both doing what they think they need to do to keep their jobs.

The Colonel has been a State Police Officer, employed by the department he commands for 30 years.

Most Sheriffs have little to no Corrections experience. They are political hacks, to the core.

Posted by: Wolfman

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So, what is the difference? They are both doing what they think they need to do to keep their jobs.

Unfortunately and ironically, were a rank and file (officer) to speak out against the billboard in the media, he would likely be reprimanded if he identified himself as a member of (his specific organization). I guess it's only OK for the (executive officer / administrator) of an agency to take an official stand on what is more or less a political issue, and one that a good many members of their department likely do not agree with.

I may be just a lowly TV repairman, but wouldn't it be something if SPAM and some of the other unions came out publicly that they in fact support the right of a citizen to keep and bear arms, and that they work for the populace and not for the self-serving goals of politicians who are determined to strip away the Constitutional rights of the people they ostensibly serve.

Posted by: pahapoika

NRA / GOAL Member

Posted by: NFAfan

Would any federal agent or state police officer reading this please conduct an active investigation into Mr. Rosenthal and his co conspiritors involving this violation of state and federal laws?

On Tuesday, July 10, 2007 John Rosenthal, of Stop Handgun Violence and American Hunters and Shooters Association, was a guest on WRKO 680 AM “Finneran’s Forum” show. Rosenthal was on the show to discuss his organization’s new political billboard slamming the National Rifle Association.

During the show a reporter, Steve Bailey of the Boston Globe, explained how he and Rosenthal had attended a gun show in New Hampshire over a year ago. The trip was supposed to prove how easy it was for criminals to buy a handgun in New Hampshire. They actually found that it was not possible to do so without violating several laws.

Rosenthal explained that when he tried to purchase a handgun from a licensed dealer, he was told he could not because he was not a resident of New Hampshire. Bailey and Rosenthal then explained how they brought a New Hampshire resident with them, supposedly a prison guard, who was able to pass the background checks and purchase the gun for them. Bailey even stated on Finneran’s show that the Boston Globe paid for the gun. When asked by the hosts of the show if he had committed a straw purchase, Rosenthal admitted that he had indeed conducted a straw purchase to prove a point.

Unfortunately for Rosenthal, the point is that he and Bailey had to admit that it was illegal for him to go to New Hampshire and purchase a handgun. He also had to admit that the only way for him to obtain a handgun at the gun show was to do it illegally by conducting a federally prohibited straw purchase and thereby committing a felony. Unfortunately, the person most vocal in Massachusetts about increasing the restrictions on lawful gun ownership has himself committed a gun crime and will most likely never be prosecuted for it. This is yet another example of the great hypocrisy from the anti-civil rights elite.
http://www.goal.org/news/rosenthalcrimine.htm

Posted by: CJIS

well thats just stupid

Posted by: Wolfman

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Originally Posted by NFAfan

When asked by the hosts of the show if he had committed a straw purchase, Rosenthal admitted that he had indeed conducted a straw purchase to prove a point.

Unfortunately for Rosenthal, the point is that he and Bailey had to admit that it was illegal for him to go to New Hampshire and purchase a handgun. He also had to admit that the only way for him to obtain a handgun at the gun show was to do it illegally by conducting a federally prohibited straw purchase and thereby committing a felony.

"Do as I say, not as I do..." This guy's lack of brains must be to make room for that massive ego.

Rosenthal has himself proven that the existing laws are sufficient, even excessive, and any criminal who wants a gun must resort to criminal activity to obtain one. I'm surprised he didn't just break into someone's house and force open a gun safe to show how easy it is to get a firearm.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by pahapoika

NRA / GOAL Member

Same here.

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Originally Posted by Wolfman

Rosenthal has himself proven that the existing laws are sufficient, even excessive, and any criminal who wants a gun must resort to criminal activity to obtain one. I'm surprised he didn't just break into someone's house and force open a gun safe to show how easy it is to get a firearm.

He knows there's a good chance he'd get his ass shot off if he did that.

Posted by: BB-59

Here is a case in point this anti second amendment crusader violates both Federal and State law and will he be prosecuted?

A newspaper assists him in the above violations and will they be prosecuted along with him?

Tell me what is the definition of a "political hack"? If all the agencies in the jurisdictions do not press charges against this individual, if the attorney general of our state does not step in to begin an investigation or the ATF, FBI or the justice department does not investigate this individual and his organization, tell me about politics.

Unless this person and his organization can show dated documents that he was acting in behalf of the state or federal authorities he should be prosecuted for violating the law.

Freedom of the press and free speech does not enpower anyone who wants to prove a point to break the law.

I remember reading where someone who wanted to test airport security took it upon himself to bring contraband (or attempt to), on an airplane. He was caught and when he explained his motives was still prosecuted.

Posted by: Otto

bbelichickQuote:
Originally Posted by Otto
So, what is the difference? They are both doing what they think they need to do to keep their jobs.

The Colonel has been a State Police Officer, employed by the department he commands for 30 years.

Correct, but as you described, his actions are the same as a "hack."

Most Sheriffs have little to no Corrections experience. They are political hacks, to the core.

Then why did SPAM endorse a career politician over an incumbant sheriff with well over 30 years' experience and 10 years' police experience before that?

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Originally Posted by Wolfman

Unfortunately and ironically, were a rank and file (officer) to speak out against the billboard in the media, he would likely be reprimanded if he identified himself as a member of (his specific organization). I guess it's only OK for the (executive officer / administrator) of an agency to take an official stand on what is more or less a political issue, and one that a good many members of their department likely do not agree with.

I may be just a lowly TV repairman, but wouldn't it be something if SPAM and some of the other unions came out publicly that they in fact support the right of a citizen to keep and bear arms, and that they work for the populace and not for the self-serving goals of politicians who are determined to strip away the Constitutional rights of the people they ostensibly serve.

You are absolutely correct.

Posted by: BB-59

Thanks Otto.

Posted by: dcs2244

Otto is right. The generic "colonel" of the state police fellates the state generic "executive" and generic "legislative" personnel to attain /maintain their positions of power/influence/money, and the same is true of local chiefs and their staffs inre: mayor/selectmen et cetera. This is a rule of thumb: their are exceptions. Any police executive with a pair of "clankers" (male or female) would stand on their convictions and support the constitution, regardless of the ramifications. Those that don't are cowards and running dogs for whomever is in power at any given time.

Wolfie is right also: It would be "something" if SPAM and the other police associations publicly supported the second amendment. I wouldn't hold my breath, though, as those worthies are busily fellating the executive/legislative to feather their own nests: Harvard degrees at state expense, networking et cetera.

That having been said, I do not think the so-called unions actively work against their members, but rather work for themselves. If it benefits the line employees, fine...if not, but benefits them personally, thats fine too.

Posted by: mpd61

If I recall correctly, Mayor Bloomballs of NYC was "chastised" by the U.S. District Attorney for conducting illegal investigations into straw purchases also. In addition, the Governor of Virginia also wrote to the Mayor to inform him not to conduct illegal activities (straw purchases) in his state either.

The result?
Bloomberg has told state and federal law enforcement he may continue such activities. Despite the FACT he has been told he may be jeopardizing several legitimate on-going investigations.

Bloomin idiot, mumbles menino and other mayors just won't give up! They think they have more power than congress and the president. people need to wake up and vote. And FYI, the Massachusetts State FOP Lodge has gone on record and aligned with Menino by coming out against the Tiahrt Amendment. This is a break from the National FOP support of same. Oh well,
Politics is what makes us assachusetts.

Posted by: kwflatbed

House panel gives NRA a victory

July 13, 2007
washington, d.c.
Democrats who support gun rights teamed with House Republicans yesterday to block local governments and law enforcement agencies from gaining routine access to gun-purchasing data. The House Appropriations Committee defeated two attempts by gun control advocates to strip limits on the use of information from federal firearms agents tracing gun sales. The votes were a victory for the National Rifle Association. (AP)

Posted by: pahapoika

well , if Mumbles can put B&D Reloaders out of business he can declare Boston a "gun-free" zone. ( gun free for law abiding citizens that is )

clowns like bloomberg and menio are inept at leadership , so they attack local business owners

Posted by: Wolfman

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Originally Posted by kwflatbed

House panel gives NRA a victory

July 13, 2007
washington, d.c.
Democrats who support gun rights teamed with House Republicans yesterday to block local governments and law enforcement agencies from gaining routine access to gun-purchasing data. The House Appropriations Committee defeated two attempts by gun control advocates to strip limits on the use of information from federal firearms agents tracing gun sales. The votes were a victory for the National Rifle Association. (AP)

This is incorrect. Law enforcement agencies have always been able to submit firearms trace requests through the ATF to further criminal investigations. Non-criminal and arbitrary traces are rightfully blocked. This is a victory to all law abiding firearm owners who value the privacy that everyone else is able to enjoy, and who are fed up with being treated like pariahs.

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