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Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Friday, July 6, 2007

Post office scores big

9 kilos are seized, but expected bust is a flop

By Milton J. Valencia TELEGRAM & GAZETTE STAFF

WORCESTER— A drug task force last month seized 9 kilos of cocaine that had been shipped to the main post office on East Central Street in what is believed to be one of the largest postal drug seizures in the nation’s history and the largest in New England. The drugs have an estimated street value of more than $1 million, police said.

The investigation into the discovery continues, with detectives from local and federal agencies trying to determine who shipped the drugs and who was the intended recipient. No one has come to the post office to claim the package, according to law enforcement sources close to the investigation.

But the magnitude of the seizure has intensified the investigation, with detectives believing the 9 kilos of cocaine — slightly less than 20 pounds — once broken down and sold at street levels could have made for a Worcester County enterprise worth more than $1 million. Investigators have kept mum on the details of the investigation while continuing to probe the intended target of the shipment, as well as the supplier. It has become a multi-state investigation.

According to police, a deputy sheriff from the Worcester County Sheriff’s Office was patrolling the post office with his narcotics dog on June 13 when the dog, Rusty, a chocolate Labrador retriever, made a hit on the package. The patrol is part of a new program between the sheriff’s office and the U.S. Postal Service, in which deputy sheriffs use dogs to regularly patrol packages.

Keith Mitchell, a spokesman with the sheriff’s office, said he could not comment on the June 13 discovery, acknowledging only that Sheriff Guy W. Glodis supported a program to have deputies regularly patrol the post office. The program has led to discoveries before, he said, pointing out a recent seizure of 30 pounds of marijuana as well as crystal methamphetamine.

On June 13, sheriff deputy Lt. Mark Kent was conducting a regular patrol when the dog sniffed out one package. The federal Postal Inspection Service, the postal service’s investigative branch, was notified and a task force comprising federal agents, sheriff’s deputies and Worcester vice squad officers was organized.

A spokesman for the postal service has said his agency would not comment on an investigation, and a spokesman for the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration said he could not acknowledge any investigation and would have no comment.

But sources familiar with the inquiry said the probe is ongoing and includes multiple jurisdictions.

Investigators secured a warrant to search the package in federal court, and local police were called in as part of the investigation.

Posted by: Mikey682

I guess the dog isn't needed in the jails, so why even have it?

Posted by: rg1283

Boy its nice that our state taxes are being used to pay for the Federal (qausi) Post Office patrol. I hope that this is a post office detail.

Posted by: Wolfman

Correct me if I'm wrong, but during election time didn't Glodis promise that he would stay in the jails and not go out patrolling?

Posted by: BB-59

Your right, better the drugs not be found.

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

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Originally Posted by Wolfman

Correct me if I'm wrong, but during election time didn't Glodis promise that he would stay in the jails and not go out patrolling?

Absolutely, that was one of his platforms against Flynn!!!

Worcester Magazine - 07-05-07

GUY AIMS HIGH: We've asked it; local pols have asked it; there are more than a few Sheriff's Department employees who have asked it: What is Guy Glodis raising so much money for? Rumors have abounded about an upcoming statewide run — maybe the $500,000 in his war chest has something to do with it. (Glodis has significantly more money in his account than Gov. Deval Patrick does at the moment, for comparison) Glodis holds his own party line. "My focus is continuing to focus on reforming and professionalizing the Worcester County Sheriff's Office," he says. "The fundraising gets overemphasized." Glodis says that his race against former Sheriff John "Mike" Flynn cost about $1 million combined, and that with inflation, he anticipates each candidate for sheriff will have to spend that much next time around. And a congressional race, hypothetically, "...could cost $2 million," Glodis says. The good sheriff — as usual — maintains that he has always been a "prodigal" fundraiser, and says that due to campaign finance laws, it is impossible to raise so much money in a short time. The bottom line: He's running for sheriff, or so he claims. "And if I should run for higher office one day — [I will] be prepared."

• THE COST OF BEING GUY: Almost as interesting as Guy Glodis's bank account is how he is spending it: According to the state's Office of Campaign and Political Finance, Glodis racked up $1,737.35 in expenditures in the second half of June. The biggest expense? $440 for NASCAR tickets. Glodis also spent $400 on a fundraiser at Pazzo Ristorante in Springfield, $316.35 on a cell phone bill, and got a $100, 13-week subscription to The Boston Globe.

• WE DEAL WITH ENOUGH FELONS: While Guy Glodis was on the phone, we couldn't help but ask him about the widespread buzz that he was working behind the scenes legislatively to get his deputies added police powers. It's something that (hypothetically) would set off the local police unions, especially in light of their protective nature over territory. Glodis calls the rumor pure baloney, and puts an utter kibosh on any idea like that. Saying there is no push to increase sheriffs' powers, he quickly faxed over a fact sheet demonstrating the reduced role of the sheriffs. Says Glodis, "[We're] less involved in law enforcement than I was three years ago." Glodis continues, "My only priority legislatively ... is some kind of jail expansion," after which he says he'll push for a "severely overdue" raise in salaries.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by BB-59

Your right, better the drugs not be found.

I'm sure you have some spare time on your hands, why don't you empty some public trashcans during slow periods?

I'm sure your local post office could use some assistance delivering the mail. After all, it's a good thing when the mail gets delivered faster, right?

Posted by: Mikey682

I'd rather the drugs be found by someone who's job it is to find them, and not someone who's dog is being paid to keep drugs out of a jail. Does it make any more sense to have a postal inspector's dog sweeping WCHOC for drugs?

Posted by: MSP75

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Originally Posted by BB-59

Your right, better the drugs not be found.

I would have no problem with them helping out the Postal Sevice IF the jails were drug free.

Posted by: BB-59

I agree but if that was the only dog available and time was an issue I then disagree.

Again, would it be better that the drugs went out to the streets (or the jail)?

Posted by: SinePari

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Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop

The investigation into the discovery continues, with detectives from local and federal agencies trying to determine who shipped the drugs and who was the intended recipient. No one has come to the post office to claim the package, according to law enforcement sources close to the investigation.

Well, I doubt we'll ever finish this investigation now...thanks, Milton. So now we have 9 kilos ready for destruction and can't go up the food chain. Here's a novel idea Sheriff, instead of glad-handing, calling the T&G, and photo-opping your little siezure, how about sitting on a discovery like that until someone shows up? I mean, what do I know, I'm no narc, just a road dog...

Posted by: cj3441

I wonder what size donation you need to make to "Sheriff" Glodis to get the Post Office K-9 gig?

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by BB-59

I agree but if that was the only dog available and time was an issue I then disagree.

Again, would it be better that the drugs went out to the streets (or the jail)?

Maybe you can explain how time was an issue in this case. Go ahead, tell the world you have 9 unclaimed Kilos at the post office and maybe the sheriff can hold an unclaimed property auction and give it to the highest bidder.

Some people do police work while others like to take every opportunity to pat themselves on the back regarding police work.

Posted by: Wolfman

Classis rookie mistake - ran down the hill to screw a cow instead of walking down the hill and screwing them all.

Leave these kinds of narc investigations to the narc investigators, they know WTF they're doing.

Posted by: MPD703

I am going to guess that the time issue was how long the package was there. From what I know these packages are sent overnight so there is a short time to get the warrant, open up the package and do a controlled delivery. As of right now Postal Inspectors dont have dogs and I doubt they ever will.

Posted by: sparky

I can't believe that people are not just happy the drugs were taken out of circulation. There was no other K-9 unit coming anytime soon to inspect that shipment of mail. Mutual aid is good people. I can't understand why the hate of correctional people from the cops. We do good work.

Posted by: Nightstalker

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Originally Posted by sparky

I can't believe that people are not just happy the drugs were taken out of circulation. There was no other K-9 unit coming anytime soon to inspect that shipment of mail. Mutual aid is good people. I can't understand why the hate of correctional people from the cops. We do good work.

Posted by: TheKid

Glad the drugs are off the street ...but isn't property the post office is located on considered "federal property"?? Seems to me there are some jurisdictional issues here...

Posted by: Wolfman

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Originally Posted by sparky

I can't understand why the hate of correctional people from the cops. We do good work.

If your job is corrections and the cops keep sending the same criminals back to jail over and over, how well are they really being corrected?

As far as "no other K9 coming out"...how about a local narcotics unit - MSP - drug task force - DEA? You have facts to back this up or just conjecture?

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by sparky

Please don't insult Correctional Officers by comparing them with deputies.

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by sparky

I wasn't aware that it was a Mail Facility on a County Correctional grounds. If it was, good work.

Otherwise, get into the sallyport and shut the door.

Posted by: SinePari

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Originally Posted by sparky

Well, sparky, mutual aid also means calling in some of the units to continue the invest, not just popping a score like that and posing for the press conference. If I got a score like that on the road, you can bet the task force and DEA would be contacted asap, not the T&G. It's documented you can turn 9 kilos into 100s of millions of dollars, hundreds of additional kilos and dozens of arrests.

Posted by: sparky

Jurisdiction? Come on Kid. You know as well as I do it takes 2 minutes to swear someone in as a fed, special, deputy, whatever. And in this post 911 time of "homeland security" shouldn't we care more about catching the bad guy than who gets the pinch? Wolfman, if you are going to criticize corrections you might want to look at crime rates before you do. I agree the system does not work well, but percentage blame is equal at best. 94C, I didn't compare correctional officers with deputies. I agree, there are correctional staff and do me a favor deputies, but there are also correctional staff that are deputies. I think we should just all learn to get along and accept each other's help when we can get it. I don't think you are tougher because you are a cop as opposed to a correctional officer.

Posted by: spdawg0734

Sparky, it is not that no one on this board would rather see the drugs go on the street, quite to the contrary. However, I would rather have the body of the controlling trafficker in jail than 1000 kilos and no arrest. Cocaine is worthless without the distributor or the owner. It is just 20 pounds of powder it means nothing. They not only did not arrest anyone but completely notified the distributors and anyone else in that area of the tactics being employed. There is no reason to hold a press conference on anything relating to a seizure or even an arrest in my opinion. WE and I include all police administrations have a bad tendency to give away our trade secrets for 15 minutes of fame. Some say it is to obtain greater funding, well the average joe going to work neither votes on your funding or could care less what you are doing so long as you dont do it to him. Police organizations should save their war stories for the legislators who will vote on the issues, and even those war stories should not contain any trade secrets as to how we conduct our investigations. It drives me crazy how administrators and DA/AUSA have this nasty habit of having to put out the entire case on the public domain, so that those who are about to fall in the next trap can avoid it. It is the same as if the soldiers in Iraq were to hold a conference after each military action and tell all their tactics so that the enemy can avoid them next time. Oh wait, our patriotic press does that all ready. I am sure you can see how that has helped the cause.

We need to give up this habit of kissing ass on the press like they are our allies, they are not. The Sheriff office in this case did nothing but seize 20 pounds of useless, worthless powder, again it is useless and worthless because no one has been and I suspect will not be arrested for it. If they really cared and this goes for the postal inspectors or who ever contacted the T&G, they would have seized it, kept their big fat mouths close, give the dog a stake and continued to march in hopes that the mut would try it again or a proper investigation could proceed. So it stand to reason that who ever contacted the T&G was only after one thing, undeserving glory and brownie points from the press for some self serving political reason. This only shows their total ignorance of narcotics enforcement, invesigative proceedures and just plain police work and strengthens the argument of those that believe they (sheriffs) do not belong preforming such tasks. As such the event was an useless event and contributed nothing to narcotics enforcement. Just my 2 cents

Posted by: 187

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Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop

On June 13, sheriff deputy Lt. Mark Kent was conducting a regular patrol when the dog sniffed out one package. The federal Postal Inspection Service, the postal service’s investigative branch, was notified and a task force comprising federal agents, sheriff’s deputies and Worcester vice squad officers was organized.

Is there more to the story than the above article? It looks as though the dog hit on a package, and proper authorities were notified. Maybe after a few weeks of "sitting on it" the press was notified? The dog made the hit on 6/13. It's just now hitting the press. How long does an agency sit on a package before notifying the press? I don't want an answer on a public forum. Just some thoughts to consider. It seems as though more was assumed from the article, than was actually written.

I would think that the postal police, and the postal inspectors, would have their own K9's. After all the grant money being given from the feds to the sheriffs, you would think they would have taken care of their own jurisdiction first.

Posted by: countryboy

I wish that the sheriffs would start putting the deputies out on the streets patroling the cities and towns, if states down south do it why can't they do it here?

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by countryboy

I wish that the sheriffs would start putting the deputies out on the streets patroling the cities and towns, if states down south do it why can't they do it here?

because they get thrown out.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by countryboy

I wish that the sheriffs would start putting the deputies out on the streets patroling the cities and towns, if states down south do it why can't they do it here?

Because the current system of city and town police is working just fine. Also because they have limited arrest powers, and the RMV refuses to issue them citation books, so they can't enforce motor vehicle law.

So let's see;

1) Very questionable hiring process, with campaign contributions seeming to be the #1 factor.

2) No training standards whatsoever mandated by law.

3) Cannot enforce motor vehicle law because they don't have citation books.

4) Even if they had citation books, they couldn't arrest for any motor vehicle offense unless it constituted a breach of the peace.

Yep, sounds like a great idea!!!

Posted by: 94c

[quote=sparky] 94C, I didn't compare correctional officers with deputies. I agree, there are correctional staff and do me a favor deputies, but there are also correctional staff that are deputies. I think we should just all learn to get along and accept each other's help when we can get it.

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As long as you don't try playing cop.

I don't think you are tougher because you are a cop as opposed to a correctional officer.[quote]

True.

Posted by: MPDReserve

What is the difference between a correctional officer and a deputy?

Posted by: kwflatbed

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Originally Posted by MPDReserve

What is the difference between a correctional officer and a deputy?

The amount of money the appointed deputys donate to the sheriffs campaign funds.

Posted by: SinePari

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Originally Posted by MPDReserve

What is the difference between a correctional officer and a deputy?

The first, if it's DOC, has mandated testing, training, hiring, firing and promotion via civil service guidelines. The latter has none of the above.

Posted by: BB-59

To listen to some on this post, you might think the Sheriff's K9 just walked in off the street and stuck his, (and his dogs) nose where it did not belong.

To the best of my knowledge a Post Office is Federal Property and unless a local authortiy, (state, municiple, county) authority has some type of permission they cannot just walk in and perform a LE function.

There had to be some type of mutual aid aggreement for the K9 to be there. Why use the sheriff's K9s instead of the local pds? I can only speculate that it was easier to sign one mutal aid agreement than however many cities and towns are in the Worcster Area. Why not call the MSP? I have no clue, that you would have to ask the Postal Service.

As far as training, most K9 handlers that I know have extensive training. Do I know that this particular K9 handler is well trained, I'll go on a limb and say I hope so. Keep in mind he and his partner was there to locate the drugs, not contact the press or conduct the follow up investigation. Also keep in mind that not every PD has a K9.

Do most of these sheriff's court the press? Absolutely! Politicians are all the same. Until the legislature ever actually defines the actual powers of the sheriffs, this dabate will go on and on.

My last suggestion is that this thread be put to rest. I am sure the sheriffs will do something in the near future to provide another round of bashing.

Posted by: phuzz01

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Originally Posted by BB-59

I am sure the sheriffs will do something in the near future to provide another round of bashing.

Finally, something I can agree with you on...

Posted by: 94c

The U.S. Postal service is not part of the federal government.

It's actually an independent operation standing all by itself.

It is neither Local, County, State, or Federal.

Posted by: Otto

...But the magnitude of the seizure has intensified the investigation, with detectives believing the 9 kilos of cocaine — slightly less than 20 pounds — once broken down and sold at street levels could have made for a Worcester County enterprise worth more than $1 million...

According to police, a deputy sheriff from the Worcester County Sheriff’s Office was patrolling the post office with his narcotics dog...

Keith Mitchell, a spokesman with the sheriff’s office, said he could not comment on the June 13 discovery, acknowledging only that Sheriff Guy W. Glodis supported a program to have deputies regularly patrol the post office. The program has led to discoveries before, he said, pointing out a recent seizure of 30 pounds of marijuana as well as crystal methamphetamine...

How do these quotes lead anyone to conclude the sheriff is the source? If he is, why didn't we hear about the 30 pounds of marijuana before this?

If nobody claimed the package after 3 weeks, I don't think anyone is going to.

Maybe detectives are putting out the information in hopes to get a tip.

Posted by: MSP75

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Originally Posted by 94c

The U.S. Postal service is not part of the federal government.

It's actually an independent operation standing all by itself.

It is neither Local, County, State, or Federal.

It is an independent agency of the FEDERAL executive branch:

http://www.usps.com/history/history/his1.htm
The President asked Congress to pass the Postal Service Act of 1969, calling for removal of the Postmaster General from the Cabinet and creation of a self-supporting postal corporation wholly owned by the federal government.

USC 201 Title 39, the Postal Reorganization Act, also vested direction of the powers of the Postal Service in an 11-member Board of Governors. Nine members (the Governors) are appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate. They serve staggered nine-year terms, and no more than five Governors may belong to the same political party. Governors are chosen to represent the public interest generally, may not represent specific interests using the Postal Service, and may be removed only for cause.

http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/missmore.htm
As fact-finding and investigative agents, Postal Inspectors are federal law enforcement officers who carry firearms, make arrests and serve federal search warrants and subpoenas. Inspectors work closely with U.S. Attorneys, other law enforcement agencies, and local prosecutors to investigate postal cases and prepare them for court. There are approximately 1,970 Postal Inspectors stationed throughout the United States who enforce more than 200 federal laws covering investigations of crimes that adversely affect or fraudulently use the U.S. Mail and postal system

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by BB-59

To the best of my knowledge a Post Office is Federal Property and unless a local authortiy, (state, municiple, county) authority has some type of permission they cannot just walk in and perform a LE function.

The best of your knowledge is incorrect.

Local police have concurrent jurisdiction at all USPS facilities, and the Postal Police/Postal Inspectors very rarely get involved in law enforcement at branch offices.

When the local post office has a problem with an unruly customer, who do you suppose they call? Hint: It's not the Postal Police or the county sheriff's department.

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

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Originally Posted by Delta784

Hint: It's not the Postal Police or the county sheriff's department.

Glodis sounds like he might be changing that

Posted by: BB-59

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Originally Posted by Delta784

Ok, I stand corrected.

Posted by: sparky

Hopefully this is my last post on this thread. I would like to clarify my position on this issue. I understand there is a huge difference between police and corrections. Understanding the difference does not mean I think that one cannot help the other, or one is better than the other. Our dogs and handlers are trained by the Boston P.D. so I put them up against any other K-9s in the State. However, we would not use them outside the correctional setting unless invited and in full cooperation with the police department or agency that requested us. We are not cops and should not act like cops but that does not mean that the work we do is not extremely valuable in the law enforcement community. Corrections is a tough field and any police officer that does not respect that is out of touch.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

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Our dogs and handlers are trained by the Boston P.D. so I put them up against any other K-9s in the State.

Aren't all of them trained at BPD K9 Academy? except for MSP which do their own.

Posted by: sparky

That was my point.

Posted by: Killjoy

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Aren't all of them trained at BPD K9 Academy? except for MSP which do their own.

Actually, the MSP academy teaches a lot of local departments in addition to their own.

Posted by: pahapoika

Deputy vs. Local PD aside , does this sound like an inside job ?

if they package was sent there and then no one picked it up , could one of the postal employees tipped off the recipient ?

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

Aren't all of them trained at BPD K9 Academy? except for MSP which do their own.

Plymouth has (or had) a K-9 Academy, which is where our (lone surviving) dog was trained.

We're supposed to be getting several dogs through DHS (I won't hold my breath), and I believe the training is going to be at the Military Working Dog School at Lackland AFB.

Posted by: quality617

We have our own in-house training program.

They learn to sit, lay down, roll over. They excell at finding snacks in your pockets, and at finding lost sandwiches throughout the building.

Yeah. It's ok to be jealous.

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by sparky

Corrections is a tough field and any police officer that does not respect that is out of touch.

You're the one that is out in left field somewhere. This whole discussion is about deputies and you keep bringing up corrections. If there is anyone that is out of touch with what is going on in the Commonwealth it is you.

You work the field and can't even tell the difference?

Posted by: sparky

94c, I really don't want to get in a pissing contest with you, but it seems you took one line of my post and used it to your advantage without taking the whole post into consideration. I know what is going on in the Commonwealth. I know that police departments are straight out dealing with gangs, drugs, violence, etc. I know that some of our correctional people, meaning employees of the Sheriff's department, have training and skills that are valuable to police departments and other agencies such as the FBI, DEA and CBI. I refer to all employees of the Sheriff's department as correctional officers because that is the root of our training. Maybe that is where you are taking offense. We have resources, mainly personnel, that we make available to agencies if they would like to utilize them. There are several that do and like the results. There are others that do not want us involved and we do not force the issue. It makes sense to me, in this day in age, that police, corrections, feds, homeland security, etc. work together and respect each agencies roll in the process. It seems to me, after viewing the activity here, that some police officers do not respect corrections as a profession (and all that goes with it). Whereas, I rarely see any correctional people taking a shot at the cops and what they do. Once again, I like and respect cops but I do sometimes have problems with individuals. Individual hits on those responsible for the issues are a-ok with me, but not shots at the whole field because of a screw up. That is why i choose to post, to defend my profession and the people I work with (most of them).

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

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We have resources, mainly personnel, that we make available to agencies if they would like to utilize them

We don't need them, those are jobs that should be done by police officers. You guys are stealing money from the feds that should be intended for local and state police. WHatever you guys want to do on your jail properties is up to you and we don't care but when you take to our streets and offer services to the PDs which are police functions then we get pissed.

Posted by: nirtallica

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Originally Posted by sparky

94c, I really don't want to get in a pissing contest with you, but it seems you took one line of my post and used it to your advantage without taking the whole post into consideration. I know what is going on in the Commonwealth. I know that police departments are straight out dealing with gangs, drugs, violence, etc. I know that some of our correctional people, meaning employees of the Sheriff's department, have training and skills that are valuable to police departments and other agencies such as the FBI, DEA and CBI. I refer to all employees of the Sheriff's department as correctional officers because that is the root of our training. Maybe that is where you are taking offense. We have resources, mainly personnel, that we make available to agencies if they would like to utilize them. There are several that do and like the results. There are others that do not want us involved and we do not force the issue. It makes sense to me, in this day in age, that police, corrections, feds, homeland security, etc. work together and respect each agencies roll in the process. It seems to me, after viewing the activity here, that some police officers do not respect corrections as a profession (and all that goes with it). Whereas, I rarely see any correctional people taking a shot at the cops and what they do. Once again, I like and respect cops but I do sometimes have problems with individuals. Individual hits on those responsible for the issues are a-ok with me, but not shots at the whole field because of a screw up. That is why i choose to post, to defend my profession and the people I work with (most of them).

HAIL HAIL STATE POLICE! I AM KING OF THE ROAD, COME FOLLOW ME! NOTHING IN THIS WORLD IS FREE! A TROOPER' S LIFE WAS MEANT FOR ME!

Posted by: SinePari

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Originally Posted by sparky

I refer to all employees of the Sheriff's department as correctional officers because that is the root of our training.

Maybe Glodis didn't get that memo.

Posted by: BB-59

Sheriff's, if it wasn't for inmates we place a bounty on them.

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

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Originally Posted by SinePari

Maybe Glodis didn't get that memo.

Thats because Glodis does have any training.

Thats because Glodis doesn't have any training!

Posted by: sparky

BB-59, could you clarify your last post? A bounty on who?; Sheriffs or inmates? I am confused.

Posted by: billb

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Originally Posted by TheKid

Glad the drugs are off the street ...but isn't property the post office is located on considered "federal property"?? Seems to me there are some jurisdictional issues here...

I work on Federal jurisdiction, we have local LE assist us quite a bit. Contracts, Memorandums of Agreement and other documents are all that's needed for on entity to work in anothers jurisdiction. The Postal Inspectors probably rely on sheriffs all over the country to perform work like this as a detail... a real LE detail where drugs were taken off the street, not a road detail. I am pretty sure he didn't make $40 an hour either...

If you are a full time police officer in Massachusetts you have a lot to be proud of... your academy requirements are accepted everywhere in the US because they are the strictest, longest and most thorough... you are some of the highest paid cops in the US... and you get to "work" paid details (at unbelievable wages) that cops in other states could only dream of. You have one of the strongest unions I have ever seen.

Now if you could only learn to be a little humble with all that you have and lend a little respect to the other LEOs out here. You (collective indictment on union cops in mass) have NO RESPECT for deputies, Postal Inspectors, COs, Feds, your own reserves, state if your municipal, municipal if your state and so on... it gets really petty on here at times.

Posted by: sparky

Well said Billb.

Posted by: locknload1121

Actually, it wasn't Sheriff's Office that took over the investigation...because the evidence was considered federal property, the US Postal Inspection and DEA arranged the arrests (and botched them). Jeez, did you guys actually receive police training or do you make this stuff up as you go?

Posted by: locknload1121

I did an online search regarding the Sheriff's K-9 unit, and it looks like they have the best narcotics dog in NEW ENGLAND. But, according to most of these posters, it's best to keep it at the jail and not infringe upon the delicate ego's of local cops or MSP. I'm sure they do random drug searches using K-9 units at the jail, but here's a crazy thought: the dogs can do BOTH! Amazing to me that those who complain the loudest about territorialism care the least about public safety. The Sheriff's Office didn't beat anyone to the punch, they didn't take food from the greedy union table, they didn't overstep their bounds....they gave assistance where it was needed, using the best available resources, and got 9 kilo's of coke off the streets. Anyone who thinks that's a BAD thing should turn in their badge and leave law enforcement because obviously their head and heart aren't in the right place.

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by locknload1121

I did an online search regarding the Sheriff's K-9 unit, and it looks like they have the best narcotics dog in NEW ENGLAND.

REALLY? Did you get that from the Sheriff's Website?

What a ridiculous claim. Is he some type of super dog? Does he wear a cape?

You have zero credibility. Go back to Jail.

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by billb

Now if you could only learn to be a little humble with all that you have and lend a little respect to the other LEOs out here. You (collective indictment on union cops in mass) have NO RESPECT for deputies, Postal Inspectors, COs, Feds, your own reserves, state if your municipal, municipal if your state and so on... it gets really petty on here at times.

I have plenty of respect for Postal Inspectors, Municipal cops, CO's, and the feds.

Deputies are not LEO's and get zero respect.

Posted by: Kb1100

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbelichick

I have plenty of respect for Postal Inspectors, Municipal cops, CO's, and the feds.

Deputies are not LEO's and get zero respect.

How about CO/ Deputy? Most if not all of the CO's that graduated under sheriff dipaola are deputized during graduation. I know for a fact that the last 4 classes that graduated were deputized. Does that mean we don't get any respect either?

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by billb

Those rivalries to which you refer are all good-natured, the same the Army, Marines, Air Force, and Navy kid each other. At crunch time, we're always there for each other.

Deputy sheriffs who work outside the jail are like the whackos who dress in BDU's and use military jargon, even though they never served a day.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kb1100

I have the utmost respect for corrections officers, both county and state. To compare them to hack deputies is like comparing apples to moonrocks.

Posted by: locknload1121

I read the newspaper.....you should try it.

http://www.thelandmark.com/news/2007..._news/039.html

Now, after you take your foot out of your mouth, I think it's pretty clear which one of us has the credibility.

And no, I don't work at the jail....that seems to be the only thing mindless security guards like you can come up with: "you must work at the jail." I work at the local level, and appreciate all the help we can get. And if I have a top narcotics dog in my backyard, I'm sure as hell going to use it.....regardless of who owns it. All this bitching and moaning from whiney little girls who CLAIM to be in law enforcement about territorialism, regarding a 9 kilo seizure no less, gets frustrating.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by locknload1121

Now, after you take your foot out of your mouth, I think it's pretty clear which one of us has the credibility.

People hired off open competitive exam lists have the credibility, not those hired off campaign contribution lists.

Posted by: mikeyd1313

its funny how this state is. If you go out of state to maybe florida or basically anywhere out of new england, the deputy sheriff's are the top dogs. Was there ever a time in massachusetts when the sheriff's where on patrol throughout the county? I am not trying to start a fight, just curious.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyd1313

its funny how this state is. If you go out of state to maybe florida or basically anywhere out of new england, the deputy sheriff's are the top dogs. Was there ever a time in massachusetts when the sheriff's where on patrol throughout the county? I am not trying to start a fight, just curious.

Towns (and later cities) were the first and for awhile, the only forms of government in Massachusetts, so law enforcement has always been focused on that level.

As towns grew and in some cases changed to cities, elected and appointed constables were replaced by police departments. Sheriff's departments in MA don't have a patrol function because they never really had much of one to begin with.

Posted by: mikeyd1313

thanks, thats what i figured.

Posted by: sparky

The deputies I refer to are the ones described by kb. And not for nothing Delta, I know an awful lot of people who are smart as hell on exams who could not do the job as a cop or as a co.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparky

And not for nothing Delta, I know an awful lot of people who are smart as hell on exams who could not do the job as a cop or as a co.

And I've seen just as many people who couldn't make the mark, and I thank the Lord they didn't make the cut.

Impartial hiring standards have to start somewhere.

Posted by: kwflatbed

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparky

The deputies I refer to are the ones described by kb. And not for nothing Delta, I know an awful lot of people who are smart as hell on exams who could not do the job as a cop or as a co.

There are a lot of sign holders with large pockets that are on as deputies
that cannot do the job also.

Posted by: THE RP

Unfortunately the main point is once again being lost. A deputy in our fair commonwealth has always historically been a correctional officer. That is your charge and duty. Like it or not.

Somebody over the last few years decided that it would be neat to take those jobs and backdoor their way onto the street. UNACCEPTABLE.

If you chose to be an employee of one of our esteemed county sheriff departments you chose to be employed in the field of corrections. BOTTOM LINE.

If you wish to work the street, test out and get a state, local or federal LE job that works the street. Do not for one minute think that due to the fact that because you aspire to be something else, somebody can wave a magic wand and make you a cop. There is a difference between what you are charged to do and what goes on outside the walls of the jails. That is the way it works here in Mass. like it or not. You think that because you wear a uniform, badge and sometimes carry a firearm you are qualified to work the street. You are not. Nor am I qualified to work a tier or a tower.

Unfortunately it boils down to money. You and your friends who have held signs for campaign winners feel that its OK to swindel your way into places where the police officers of this state should be, instead for discount and free. Such as the above mentioned post office, a previously mentioned bank etc. etc. etc. This is taking money out of the pockets of the real police in the name of political expedience and ego boosting. That is why it is UNACCEPTABLE. It is scab labor in the lowest form and will never be accepted. So that is why you lose the respect that you so highly crave.

There is no cop on the street who does not respect you for the job that you do in the jails. It is an important part of the LE community here in this state. It has become contentious enough because of poor decisions and poor leadership so stop the charade and take care of your business and we will take care of ours. If you want to work the street with me and my brothers, take the test over and over again, go to a real academy, pay your dues and learn the job...Then you can be welcomed. Then you might be respected as a cop. Then you might even be qualified to call yourself a cop. A real cop. Not some backdoor political hack who sidestepped his way into a job and circumvented the traditions and history of an honorable profession.

If you need time to make this decision, so be it. Ultimately if you need time I believe you are lacking in character. It's a very simple decision and it is one of integrity. So if you are confused about how to proceed, hang it up now because you do not and never will have the integrity that is required to stand next to me on the street. I don't want you there if this is hard for you to figure out....Sorry

Posted by: sparky

I agree with that statement kw, which has been my point in this entire thread. It seems like some people want to paint everyone that works for a sheriff's department with the same brush. I could take the actions of one police officer or a department and paint all cops with the same brush too. I would not because I respect the profession. We, as sheriff's department employees deserve that same respect unless, as an individual, we do something to be disrespected over.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparky

I agree with that statement kw, which has been my point in this entire thread. It seems like some people want to paint everyone that works for a sheriff's department with the same brush. I could take the actions of one police officer or a department and paint all cops with the same brush too. I would not because I respect the profession. We, as sheriff's department employees deserve that same respect unless, as an individual, we do something to be disrespected over.

Do we need to write it on a sign, then smash you over the head with it??

The overwhelming majority of cops have all the respect in the world for corrections officers, both county and state. It's when the county CO's step outside the wall and involve themselves in things they have no business involving themselves in, that we have a problem.

What would you say if the sheriff started farming out your positions and overtime to Wackenhut Security because they'll do it cheaper?

Posted by: sparky

First of all Delta, I am addressing the cops on this thread who don't respect us, so no I don't think anyone will be smashing anything over my head. Second, I don't see any police jobs being farmed out to sheriff's department employees. They ask us to assist because they need the help. If you can get the money in your budget to do these things on your own, DON'T ASK. Lastly, when I look in the newspaper and see what police are making in salary, overtime and details I find it hard to believe that the assistance we provide when asked is hurting anyone in the wallet.

Posted by: THE RP

"Do we need to write it on a sign, then smash you over the head with it??"- Delta784

This would only work on election day. Probably at the polls. Keeping in mind they would have a sign to defend themsleves with.

" Lastly, when I look in the newspaper and see what police are making in salary, overtime and details I find it hard to believe that the assistance we provide when asked is hurting anyone in the wallet."-SPARKY

Greed and envy are very dangerous things coupled with ambition. So what you are saying is it's perfectly fine for you to take money from a local guy because the locals are getting rich?. Not the case predominately but you believe what you read so thats fine..Very interesting concept considering the organized labor world we all coexist in. I am assuming you are in a union. Right?..Very union minded. Very stand-up of you....

Posted by: locknload1121

You'll more than likely hit a few cops while you're there, RP. Enough with the self-righteous bs....there's plenty of politics at EVERY level of law enforcement. I have yet to meet a State Trooper who didn't have someone "make a call" to get them into the academy. Local cops are just as politically active as anyone else.

Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kb1100

When you are doing your job as a C/O, sure.

When you try to play cop...do I really need to answer?

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparky

First of all Delta, I am addressing the cops on this thread who don't respect us, so no I don't think anyone will be smashing anything over my head. Second, I don't see any police jobs being farmed out to sheriff's department employees. They ask us to assist because they need the help. If you can get the money in your budget to do these things on your own, DON'T ASK.

We don't....if any police agency asks a sheriff's department for assistance, it sure as hell isn't coming from the cops on the street. Police chiefs and administrators can smell saving money from miles away.

And, we often don't get the money in our budget because grants are stolen by the sheriff's departments for outrageous boondoggles like the Middlesex Sheriff getting patrol boats to protect the LNG tankers in Boston Harbor, which is in Suffolk County and is patrolled just fine by the Coast Guard, BPD, MSP, and the Environmental Police.

BTW...when I say "we", I mean the collective "we", because the sheriff in my county gets it, and doesn't put his people where they're not wanted.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparky

Lastly, when I look in the newspaper and see what police are making in salary, overtime and details I find it hard to believe that the assistance we provide when asked is hurting anyone in the wallet.

Study harder next time, and you can make the same.

You never answered my question....what would you have to say if your positions and/or overtime were farmed out to someone else?

Posted by: sparky

I am interested in public safety. I can only tell you that we can't do details unless the police departments can't fill them. That's not taking money from anyone. We are asked to assist with a police department. I don't think that means they send one of you home. Everybody wins. And I agree with locknload, most people knew someone to assist them in getting a job. It's what you do on the job that counts in my book.

Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:

Originally Posted by locknload1121

And no, I don't work at the jail....I work at the local level, and appreciate all the help we can get.

I'm calling utter bullsh*t on this one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by locknload1121

I have yet to meet a State Trooper who didn't have someone "make a call" to get them into the academy.

You are so absolutely full of sh*t it is coming out of your ears.

Man, talking out of your a** is an art form for you.

Posted by: sparky

I thought I did answer your question indirectly. I would fight to save the jobs and not allow them to privatize. However, I did say, I don't see any police officer jobs being farmed out to the sheriff's department. My county is Essex and we have c.o./deputies on the street with a variety of agencies and we are not where we are not wanted as far as I have heard.

Oh and by the way, I do fine. We have overtime and details too.

Posted by: THE RP

"Enough with the self-righteous bs"-locknload

Call it what you want, I've earned it, but don't think for a minute you are fooling anyone. It's easy to claim politics across the board but you exist in a world so blatant and rife with it that people with the right daddy get promoted two weeks out of the academy. I would be ashamed if I were you. Its a joke way beyond phone calls and we all know it, including you. Unless of course you have the right connections then of course you wouldn't want to rock the boat...Make sure your sign is bigger on election day and drink lots of water.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparky

I thought I did answer your question indirectly. I would fight to save the jobs and not allow them to privatize. However, I did say, I don't see any police officer jobs being farmed out to the sheriff's department.

Medford PD apparently disagrees with that sentiment.

In any case, many of the sheriffs would have their people on the street in the blink of an eye if they thought they could get away with it, just ask New Bedford PD.

Posted by: locknload1121

I think I've earned it too, RP....15 years as a cop and I've learned real quick how to smell bs from miles away. I have no idea how the politics of the Sheriff's Department works.....couldn't care less, in fact. You have a problem with them? Knock yourself out. But don't think you can play holier-than-thou on here and not get called on it. My town's pretty small by comparison, but throw a rock during campaign time and you'll hit a local guy, State Trooper, whatever....holding signs, making phone calls, etc. I hate it myself. But at the end of the day, the best cops are the ones who shut up, do the job, and go home.....so if you want to whine about the Sheriff's Department making a big drug seizure, I can only guess that you have absolutely no clue what you're doing.

Posted by: sparky

Delta, Bristol County is a whole different animal so with that as an example, I agree with you. I don't think that is the case in my county although I cannot be sure. Middlesex County is another special case in my book, armored vehicles and command post vehicles, come on. So again, I agree. I don't see that in my county and I think we do a good job and I defend that whenever necessary.

Posted by: THE RP

I'm sorry. Locknload is a local cop who has lost his way and apparently forgets who writes his paycheck and who backs him up and who came before him and who negotiated his contract and who calls him for details etc. etc. My mistake....He won't be holding a sign. He isn't a county employee. He's a a local cop secure enough in the fact that it's OK to have lower paid and under-trained people walk through the door and take money out of the pockets of you and me...How lovely.

Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:

Originally Posted by locknload1121

I think I've earned it too, RP....15 years as a cop and I've learned real quick how to smell bs from miles away.

Why go miles away? You should be smelling it right now. You're full of it.

Posted by: kwflatbed

Quote:

Originally Posted by locknload1121

I think I've earned it too, RP....15 years as a cop and I've learned real quick how to smell bs from miles away. I have no idea how the politics of the Sheriff's Department works.....couldn't care less, in fact. You have a problem with them? Knock yourself out. But don't think you can play holier-than-thou on here and not get called on it. My town's pretty small by comparison, but throw a rock during campaign time and you'll hit a local guy, State Trooper, whatever....holding signs, making phone calls, etc. I hate it myself. But at the end of the day, the best cops are the ones who shut up, do the job, and go home.....so if you want to whine about the Sheriff's Department making a big drug seizure, I can only guess that you have absolutely no clue what you're doing.

Just exactly what is your job with Massachusetts Department of Revenue ?????? IP

Posted by: locknload1121

Ah, so there it is.....for you RP, it's all about getting PAID. Other people aren't PAID enough to provide public safety, other agencies are taking MONEY away from you. At last, your true intentions are known. And I'VE lost MY way??

Between you and I, RP, I think I'm the only one who remembers who pays for my salary. To you, the seizure of 9 kilo's of cocaine is a great opportunity to whine and complain....to me, that's 30 different arrests I don't have to make. I don't care if a part-time community college guard made the seizure....I'm givin' him a pat on the back. I do thank you, RP, for giving me a renewed sense of appreciation for my brothers and sisters who work the street caring more about their job than the size of their paycheck.

Posted by: kwflatbed

Boy it got quiet real quick.

Posted by: locknload1121

Sorry, didn't mean to lose my cool there.....normally I would never think of criticizing another Officer (if that's what RP is). But people like RP have never gone through a door wondering if the drugs inside paid for a cache of guns. The arrests in my community continue to increase due directly to the introduction, possession and distribution of controlled substances: A&B, attempted murder, firearms possession. And if some other agency makes my job even a little easier, then I congratulate and thank them. What could possibly be gained by criticizing them for it?

Posted by: THE RP

I have previously stated what were the most important things to me. You called this being self-righteous. Unfortunately it has been others that have mentioned the money issue and the money issue is what fuels this problem whether it's the lack of budgetary money or lower paying wages or fraudulent grant money etc.. I cant' say it's not important because afterall it is our living and it is what is fueling this problem across the board. I respect the fact that you put your head down and go out and do your job no matter what. But to what end? Afterall thats what we all have to do every shift anyhow. Should we sit here and let frauds and charades be perpetrated against us as a profession. It's much more the bigger picture things here and you just keep sitting on the sidelines and calling people whiners. OK but when your politicians decide it's easier to get some shifts covered for free with hacks dressed up like cops instead of hiring real cops and then you can deal with the mess on your streets. I for one won't stand by and let it happen without calling it what it is. So be safe and enjoy yourself but don't look to anyone else for help when you get no raises or new equipment because your town can have an untrained hack deputy drive around instead of you someday for no charge to the town. Thats what they want and you are apparently allright with that..Sorry, I'm not.

Posted by: sparky

My only new comment piggybacks on locknload: it's not always about the money.

Posted by: locknload1121

I can respect where you're coming from, but disagree how far you take it. What you said IS self-righteous....to criticize one agency's politics puts you and others like you in a position of judgement. That is, that politics doesn't play a role in our own field. Sadly, it does. I don't like it, but facts are facts. Some of my own guys, as well as a lot of State Troopers I interact with, are guilty of the exact same things that Sheriff's Department employees are. To say that's not true is a lie, ignorant, or both.

And you mentioned the money issue. You're not alone.....it's all too prevalent today that Officers think they're somehow getting a smaller salary because of mutual aid. Sad that money guides most of their opinions on law enforcement.

In my capacity, both on and off duty, I have never once seen an Officer from the Sheriff's Department make a traffic stop, effectuate an arrest, conduct an investigation, or do a job that otherwise one of my own Officers would do. They don't take grant money that my Department applied for, their efforts in no way effect my salary, etc. And if they have a resource, like a K-9 unit, that my Department doesn't have....then I say god bless 'em. I'm willing to bet their K-9 unit has been called on manhunt assist calls in your Department and you don't even know it. Would you prefer their bloodhounds don't come out and track someone in your town, because that's too much of YOUR area?

Posted by: Killjoy

Look...don't get all bunged up, its real easy:

Sheriff's = Political Hackdom

Police = Competence and Dedication

I wasn't hired because I slipped a check to the commander of my department. I took a test with a lot of other people and was selected from them. Not rocket science here..and by the way respect is earned not given. Don't go spouting off about how you deserve respect.

Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:

Originally Posted by locknload1121

In my capacity, both on and off duty, I have never once seen an Officer from the Sheriff's Department make a traffic stop, effectuate an arrest, conduct an investigation, or do a job that otherwise one of my own Officers would do.

Your capacity at the Mass Department of Revenue?

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killjoy

Sheriff's = Political Hackdom

Police = Competence and Dedication

That's one thick paintbrush your painting everyone with

Posted by: nirtallica

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyd1313

This is not Florida or down south. This is New England. If You want to be top dog as a deputy, then I am sure there are pleny of slots available down south. Sheriffs will never have the authority in this state that they have down south so accept it and move on.

Posted by: screamineagle

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyd1313

another difference I have seen especially down south is towns do not border each other, and everything in between the towns is county territory.

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Quote:

Originally Posted by screamineagle

another difference I have seen especially down south is towns do not border each other, and everything in between the towns is county territory.

A major difference between Mass and most others states is the lack of unincorporated areas. Sheriff's typically patrol unincorporated areas of a county, however in Mass, its the law that all cities and towns have to be incorporated, which in theory would eliminate the sheriff's "primary" jurisdiction.

Posted by: JeffC

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop

That's one thick paintbrush your painting everyone with

for the most part, it's true.

Posted by: SinePari

Quote:

Originally Posted by billb

The Postal Inspectors probably rely on sheriffs all over the country to perform work like this as a detail... a real LE detail where drugs were taken off the street, not a road detail. I am pretty sure he didn't make $40 an hour either...

It was a Lt K-9 handler. I'm sure he topped way over $40/hr. BTW, why a Lt?

Quote:

Originally Posted by locknload1121

You'll more than likely hit a few cops while you're there, RP. Enough with the self-righteous bs....there's plenty of politics at EVERY level of law enforcement. I have yet to meet a State Trooper who didn't have someone "make a call" to get them into the academy. Local cops are just as politically active as anyone else.

Hi, I'm SinePari. I took a test with about 20,000 other people, had no one to call, no family members on the job, didn't make a phone call or contribute to anyone's campaign, and made it on the MSP. Now if that's what you did, fine, but you're reaching now.

Posted by: MM1799

I have a hard time comprehending how this is on page 11..

locknload; you're not a cop. End of story.

Posted by: kwflatbed

Here is the info you can all make up your mind as to LEO or not.

locknload1121

The IP Address is: 170.63.96.108.
The host name is: chelsea-ce.itd.state.ma.us.

170.63.96 at ARIN
OrgName: Massachusetts Department of Revenue
OrgID: MASS1
Address: Information Technology Division
Address: 200 Arlington street
City: Chelsea
StateProv: MA
PostalCode: 02150
Country: US

Posted by: bbelichick

Kinda makes all his stories about his "15 years on the job", his many narcotics pinches and his anecdotal stories of police activities seem silly, huh?

So the DOR pays it's drones to sit on the internet and pretend to be cops?

Posted by: dcs2244

A f*cking revenuer! I actually had one of these guys FTT during a stop...gigged for everything!

Filthy revenuer scumbags.

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Posted by: SinePari

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwflatbed

Here is the info you can all make up your mind as to LEO or not.

locknload1121

The IP Address is: 170.63.96.108.
The host name is: chelsea-ce.itd.state.ma.us.

170.63.96 at ARIN
OrgName: Massachusetts Department of Revenue
OrgID: MASS1
Address: Information Technology Division
Address: 200 Arlington street
City: Chelsea
StateProv: MA
PostalCode: 02150
Country: US

Talk about hack-o-rama! Betchya Howie would love to get a hold of this one! He's probably the one with a single blue light in his car, pulling over women on Rt 24.

Posted by: THE RP

My apologies to all of you for engaging in the debate with our grizzled, door smashing veteran of the DOR.

Very smooth locknload...Very smooth...Watch your fingers as you lock and load the file cabinets in your office..You pogue.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by SinePari

+100

I got on the job in spite of politics, not because of it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE RP

Very smooth locknload...Very smooth...Watch your fingers as you lock and load the file cabinets in your office..You pogue.

Ha ha ha!!

Posted by: Wolfman

I think that several State agencies use the same DOR servers - he could be MassHighway!

Posted by: Duff112

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwflatbed

Nice work Harry-

Hey "Locknload" don't go away mad......just go away.

Posted by: 94c

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta784

The NBPD union has chased the deputies out of town on more than one occasion. Fall River is another place that keeps them in line. A city is not a place for a whacker with a big wallet to try and do police work.

It will not be tolerated by the Unions.

They may not like it but it is what it is and it will not change. EVER.

Even the deputies that pay their way into the task forces either screw up on their own or get no respect.

So they go out and create their little SCAT teams. They try and do the drug work in the cities and their targets get arrested and raided by the PD's while they are still trying to figure out what they are doing.

And they think it's only a coincidence. It's priceless.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwflatbed

Boy it got quiet real quick.

I'd be quiet too if I got run over by a flatbed. I know a few good attorneys if you're worried about the MV Homicide charge.

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Worcester Magazine 07/12/07

THE GUY FOR ENFORCEMENT: We got more than a few calls in the past week questioning Worcester County Sheriff Guy Glodis's remarks in this space last week. At the time, Glodis told us that his office is "less involved in law enforcement than I was three years ago." He was, he said, putting to rest rumors that he was looking to expand the law enforcement role of his deputies. That quote hit the streets on July 5. On July 6, a Telegram and Gazette article on the huge cocaine seizure at the East Central Street Post Office detailed the ongoing role of Glodis's department's narcotics dog, Rusty, in the seizure and other operations. And, said the article, this is a regular thing. "The patrol is part of a new program between the Sheriff's Office and the U.S. Postal Service, in which deputy sheriffs use dogs to regularly patrol packages." Spokesman Keith Mitchell then acknowledged that "Sheriff Guy W. Glodis supported a program to have deputies regularly patrol the post office. The program has led to discoveries before," he said, pointing out a recent seizure of 30 pounds of marijuana as well as crystal methamphetamine.

I guess integrity isn't a Glodis strong point.

Posted by: billb

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE RP

My apologies to all of you for engaging in the debate with our grizzled, door smashing veteran of the DOR.

Very smooth locknload...Very smooth...Watch your fingers as you lock and load the file cabinets in your office..You pogue.

Pogue...

so where in the Army did you serve RP? Too funny.

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