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Posted by: masscopguy

Remember the motorcycle that struck a spectator at this years Marathon?

The WBZ I Team is looking into a claim that the MSP covered up the incident.

The piece will run this Thursday July 5 at 11:00pm.

Posted by: DodgeRam

Just saw the commercial and remembered the thread from April..

Posted by: tazoez

Post a link for those who live in western part of state

Posted by: girlcop21

don't they (WBZ) have anything better to do?

Posted by: lawdog671

MASSCOPGUY...you mean the person who assaulted the motorcycle trooper when they walked out into traffic where they weren't supposed to be and the trooper protected himself and the runners he was tasked with protecting right???....lol

Posted by: Inspector

Fourth of July, slow summer and they can't find anything else to justify their expensive I-Team so they reach back to April to come up with this "hot story."

Posted by: masscopguy

I have not made any comment about the incident. My post is only a heads up that WBZ will be doing the story.

Posted by: dvyboy17

They suck!!! that guy stepped in front of the bike and the cop was able to push him with his arm out of his way so the bike didn't hit him or crash. the guy should get an Oscar if anything they way he went down. Pu$$y

Posted by: fscpd907

Video shows Marathon spectator get hit by cop's motorcycle

By D. Craig MacCormack/Daily News staff

FRAMINGHAM - In more than a quarter-century of watching the Boston Marathon in front of Henry Wilson Shoe Shop on Rte. 135 in Natick, Norma Shulman never dreamed she'd become the story of the day.

But after Shulman was allegedly hit by a motorcycle driven by state police Trooper Dennis Bertulli while waiting for her neighbor's son to run by their post, the WBZ-TV video of the collision was posted quickly on YouTube.

Even so, officials have still not covered Shulman's medical bills, estimated at more than $1,000 to deal with rib cage and neck injuries. Shulman and her lawyer, Chris Petrini, want to change that.

youtube.com/watch

WBZ-TV's I-Team report on the incident will air in the Boston area on Channel 4 during the 11 p.m. newscast tonight. In the report, reporter Joe Bergantino discusses a report from the Registry of Motor Vehicles that says Shulman walked into the street with her back to the motorcycle.

Shulman said this week her heels were against the curb as she was hit by the motorcycle, which was trailing on the left the lead pack of eight elite women runners.

"Clearly the report isn't accurate," she said.

Petrini sent a letter this week to the Executive Office of Public Safety that says Shulman is contemplating a lawsuit against Bertulli and the state police for the alleged incident, which made it tough for Shulman to bend over.

"This is not the largest case in the world," said Petrini, "but some of the principles involved are pretty important. There seems to be a discrepancy between what the report says and what the video shows."

Efforts to reach a state police spokesman were not successful.

Shulman, 61, of Alfred Road, in Framingham, just wants to get the bills paid at this point. She said officials were extremely nice to her in the days and weeks after the incident, but haven't called her in a while.

"They could give me a little extra for a couple of bottles of Aleve," Shulman said with a laugh.

Shulman and her neighbors and relatives like the spot in front of the shoe shop because of the long site lines down the hill it provides, she said. She heard about the 28-second YouTube clip from her daughter's father-in-law.

"It really made me sick to watch it," said Shulman. "You can see I end up flat on my back, in the mud, in the slop."

A rescue worker who responded to the accident held a helmet over Shulman so she wouldn't get rained on, she was told. She didn't go to the hospital

right away, but later spent about 3 hours being checked out after getting what she called "sharp pain in my ribs."

At that point, she handed off a sign in support of her neighbors son to a person in the crowd and headed to the hospital, but admitted this week,

"There isn't really much you can do - just ice and medication."

Despite the harrowing experience that left her sore and groggy for the first month or so of Town Meeting, where she is a longtime member from Precinct 5, Shulman has no plans to abandon her Patriots Day perch of the past 27 years.

She only hopes Dick Hoyt is back in 2008, pushing his son Rick in his wheelchair along the historic 26.2-mile course.

"We wouldn't miss it," said Shulman of the Marathon.

Craig MacCormack can be reached at 508-626-4429 or cmaccorm@cnc.com.

Posted by: Sniper

"site" lines....... QUALITY news writing...

Posted by: LA Copper

Regardless of whose fault it is, I'm wondering why the trooper on the motorcycle didn't stop to see what happened..... It would appear he was involved in some type of incident with a pedestrian and probably should have stopped. Just wondering....

Posted by: jj1979

ok I just saw the footage and from where I sit it looks like the trooper kept the person from entering the street and disturbing the marathon which is what I assume was the assignment. I dont see the coverup, nor do I see the problem. In the article it was stated the woman refused medical attention and didnt go to the hospital until much later than when the original incident occurred. I am sure there is a lot more to this story and the i team investigation will only try and pick on the mean state police. Probably just some lawyer trying to run up the tab on the taxpayers shoulder again.

Posted by: 5-0

Didn't look like a huge deal to me. Not much room, looked like he pushed off her to get out of the way. 9/10 on the fall. Looked like one of the European Soccer players putting on a show when they get fouled.

Posted by: masscopguy

If I were the woman the first call I would have made is to Attorney Dane M. Shulman and his lovely daughter. This case calls for the legal training and unmatched expierence that only a guy Dane can offer.

At the bare minimum, I hope she placed a call to Barry Fienstein.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by masscopguy

If I were the woman the first call I would have made is to Attorney Dane M. Shulman and his lovely daughter. This case calls for the legal training and unmatched expierence that only a guy Dane can offer.

At the bare minimum, I hope she placed a call to Barry Fienstein.

Forget those amateurs, she should call in the heavy artillery;

Posted by: chief801

I was not there, was not involved, but my first question was why didn't he stop. If a civilian did it we would be hunting them down trying to charge them with leaving the scene of a P.I. accident.

Our first job is public safety...an old lady hit the deck...wtf? Keep on going? She shouldn't have stepped in front of me. It may be her fault all day long, but don't we have a duty to stop and check it out?

Posted by: MM1799

Maybe the Trooper didn't stop because he realized he gave her a passing graze and she fell in the most over-the-top way possible. Yes, our first job is public safety. This Trooper was doing his job by protecting the runners from moronic fans.

I also find it funny both of you didn't make a peep about "protecting the public/leaving the scene/its our job" on the first thread. Only after I-TEAM made it into a fancy article with quotes and reports. Give me a break.

Posted by: Motor23

No matter how we may look at this. The news did a number on the tpr. Should this have been looked at by th SP, I have to say yes. I saw it live when it happened, this looked like it was not done with intent of causing harm from what I saw. But it will be Monday morning quartebacked at this point. Next time mabey a diffrent approach will be used.

Posted by: masscopguy

yes it may have been a blow but as of today it is yesterday's news.

I haven't seen or heard anything about the media report from about 4 months ago that disclosed the fact that several Troopers and or other state workers had constructed a large golf driving range in a big tunnel building on the waterfront.

The report said it was used regularly by the Troopers while they were on duty.

Posted by: pahapoika

i didn't watch it because the woman started in about just minding her own business, blah , blah , blah.

years of riding my own personal motorcycle has left me cynical of people who think they can step in front of you or cut you off in traffic

she got in the cops way , took a dive for the camera and now tries to come off as pure as the driven snow.

Posted by: kwflatbed

Trooper disciplined after brass see cycle crash video
By Laura Crimaldi
Friday, July 6, 2007 - Updated: 07:09 AM EST

In an unusual about-face, top state police brass have reversed the written findings of a lieutenant and disciplined a motorcycle trooper after reviewing video of a Patriots [team stats] Day crash involving the trooper and a female Boston Marathon spectator.
After an internal review, a major and two colonels disagreed with the lieutenant’s initial conclusion that the injured spectator, Norma Shulman, 61, of Framingham, was fully at fault for the April 16 accident.
Video of the collision from WBZ-TV (Ch. 4) depicts Shulman being knocked to the ground by a motorcycle driven by Sgt. Dennis M. Bertulli as he escorted lead women runners in the marathaon on Route 135 in Natick. The video is posted on YouTube.com under the heading “Spectator Hit by Motorcycle.”
Although Shulman was standing inside a white line along the curb, Bertulli’s supervisor, Lt. William Cederquist, filed a formal report indicating Shulman had “entered the road” before being struck. Yesterday, Lt. William Powers said Shulman and Bertulli are equally to blame based on a final review by Maj. Michael Concannon.
“It was his determination the officer operating the motorcycle was partially at fault because he failed to operate the motorcycle in a safe and cautious manner,” Powers said. Shulman, who is facing $1,100 in medical bills, said she was grateful there was a TV video.
“I’m just really disappointed,” Shulman said of her experience with police. “I expected better.”

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRe...icleid=1009876

Posted by: firefighter39

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Originally Posted by MM1799

Maybe the Trooper didn't stop because he realized he gave her a passing graze and she fell in the most over-the-top way possible. Yes, our first job is public safety. This Trooper was doing his job by protecting the runners from moronic fans.

I also find it funny both of you didn't make a peep about "protecting the public/leaving the scene/its our job" on the first thread. Only after I-TEAM made it into a fancy article with quotes and reports. Give me a break.

Am I correct that if an emergency vehicle is involved in an accident that they do not have to stop and can continue on the way?

Posted by: MM1799

Quote:

Originally Posted by firefighter39

Am I correct that if an emergency vehicle is involved in an accident that they do not have to stop and can continue on the way?

Watch the video. One of the runners stepped very close to the white line (if not on it) while that moron fan was standing in the way. Every other fan with her is on the curb, is she special or something? The Trooper put his motorcycle between her and the runner affectively protecting the runner which was his job that day. Job well done, keep marching. Maybe next year some fan will stand on the white line with a knife and the police will be hesistate because of this and a runner will be stabbed.

I can tell you are looking at this from a typical firefighter point of view. The public is good and they are just here to support the runners. Try looking at it from a police escort's point of view. It turns out that lady was just an idiot, but at the moment she was a potential threat.

I do appreciate your comments Mr. fireman and I eagerly await your response. Because god knows, who the hell am I to question a firefighter about a police matter...

Posted by: LA Copper

Quote:

Originally Posted by MM1799

I noticed when it was first posted here but I didn't want to start something then since no one else commented about it.

Posted by: THE RP

"Am I correct that if an emergency vehicle is involved in an accident that they do not have to stop and can continue on the way?"

The answer is obviously yes and fire engines also have to follow the same laws and procedures all responding emergency vehicles do.. but for some reason thats out the window at every red light and stop sign on the way to every no PI Crash that you get sent to.. so...How about you worry about that and let the trooper worry about protecting the runner.....

Posted by: dcs2244

If you play in the road, you'll likely get hit. The stupid cow was in the road, fog line be damned. The fog line is for cars, not peds. The cop should get a medal for NOT stopping and locking her disorderly a$$ up (in that case he'd have been in trouble for NOT continuing with his assigned escort duties and 'over reacting').

The road belongs to the police. Get out of it. Stay out of it. When peds and bicyclists pay excise tax to help pay for the maintenance of the road, I'll STFU. But since thats not going to happen, attend the first three sentences of this paragraph.

Now comes the crack "command staff commandos" to change the findings of the investigation...so that it was politically correct. Pity the poor lemming...she's a victttiiimmmm! What a bunch of politicians. More concerned about maintaining their "meritocratic" ranks and retirement than backing a lowly line officer.

Posted by: resqjyw0

damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MM1799

Maybe next year some fan will stand on the white line with a knife and the police will be hesistate because of this and a runner will be stabbed.

beat me to it. if it actually does happen next year, maybe the brass will smarten up after the runner (or the runner's family if the runner doesn't survive the stabbing) files a lawsuit on them for not protecting the runners as that was their job.

Posted by: jacenlukesolo

The women is the one at fault.The fact that the brass is now disciplining this trooper for a job well done is ridiculous.

Posted by: Tuna

Looked to me that she put on a good act. A bike hitting something at that low of a speed would show a wobble, it didn't. She hit the deck like fish in a boat. anyone look into her past. Just my $.02

Posted by: Deuce

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Originally Posted by firefighter39

Am I correct that if an emergency vehicle is involved in an accident that they do not have to stop and can continue on the way?

Ugh.. I bet you wear one of those helmets with a rotating light on it. Ding ding where can I mail you a buck so you can buy a clue?

Posted by: KozmoKramer

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Originally Posted by Deuce

Ugh.. I bet you wear one of those helmets with a rotating light on it...

Posted by: 94c

Quote:

Originally Posted by firefighter39

Am I correct that if an emergency vehicle is involved in an accident that they do not have to stop and can continue on the way?

Classic. A bucket head who has all the answers when it comes to police work but has no clue about operating a ding-ding truck.

Posted by: DodgeRam

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deuce

Ugh.. I bet you wear one of those helmets with a rotating light on it. Ding ding where can I mail you a buck so you can buy a clue?

Woop Woop

Posted by: Motor23

To all that saw the event, and for those of you that ride. I give a thumbs up to the Tpr for holding the bike up, wet condtions and road hazards and still stayed on the fog line.

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