| Originally Posted by Killjoy Recently I was in the Century Bank on Mystic Ave. in Medford and I noticed a Middlesex County Sheriff's car out front. Well, I thought nothing of it at first (maybe the deputy was depositing his check or something), until I walked in the lobby and saw the deputy behind the security counter. It seemed to me that he was on a paid detail, so my question is this; are the Medford PD so flush with details they're handing this great air-conditioned gig to the Sheriff's? I have a hard time believing this, but anything's possible. Anyone know? |
| As long as the officer isn't taking a job away from a co-worker or myself, I could care less what the patch on the sleeve reads. If the officer/trooper/sheriff is able to keep the bank/liquor store/street safe isn't that the ultimate purpose of "public safety"? |
| Originally Posted by Killjoy As long as they have been unfilled by local department first, I have no beef with Sheriff's doing them. |
| Originally Posted by pahapoika There were 4 Essex County sheriffs on a detail on 495 around Mass Ave last Sunday night....poor trooper who was stuck with that bunch if they were officers that worked inside i would say he was in good company. especially if there was a problem with an unruly motorist |
| Originally Posted by Badge 2 Some of you people really amaze me and before I say anymore I have worked colleges, cities and towns and yes even as a law enforcement deputy! What if you just can't get on the State police or a town. What if you get a job for the sheriff and they offer you an outside detail. Should you say no because if I work with a trooper or a town cop that are going to look down on me. Doesn't the state and towns make more then the sheriffs guys. Do some of you people really be grudge a guy for wanting to put more money in his pocket! I am the 1st to say that you should try to fill the detail properly but if it get's to the SD I just don't understand why you think that's so bad. What I find even funnier is that most guys if not everyone were more then cordial when we worked together. Ok so in closing, god please forbid if that poor whakenhut guy (who most likely always wanted to be on the job but that is the best he can do) get's killed in the line of duty, some of you guys could care less! Sleep well! Let the bashing begin. |
| that's the answer i got from a Sgt. that works inside the jail. Middlesex rents office space there |
| When the barracks can't fill an OT, and it goes out to the troop, that irks me, just as when a local gets a detail on the big road. Hey, good for the guy who gets the $$$ regardless on what dept, but bad for us for not stepping up to fill the jobs. Protecting what's yours also means each individual needs to step up every now and then and help out. Don't bitch at the the next SPAM meeting, or FOP, or whatever, about sheriffs getting your jobs if you just do 40 and out each week. The extra $$$ doesn't hurt either. |
| Originally Posted by SinePari Protecting what's yours also means each individual needs to step up every now and then and help out. Don't bitch at the the next SPAM meeting, or FOP, or whatever, about sheriffs getting your jobs if you just do 40 and out each week. The extra $$$ doesn't hurt either. |
| Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne It should have been filled by other local cops or msp but never a freakin sheriff. |
| Originally Posted by csauce777 Ok...here's a legitimate question. Let me preface this by saying that I have no affiliation with any Sheriff, anywhere, and I have no vested interest in Sheriffs getting details as I work for a municipality. My question is this...Is there something official that says that private companies (including banks) MUST hire local/and or MSP guys to fill private security details? Is there something that says Bank of America for example, can't hire deputies directly to fill their details inside their buildings rather than locals? Road jobs are clearly a different animal that have legislation behind them, but how can you force a private business to employ locals vs. deputies? If we are going to split hairs...why shouldnt banks hire Feds to do their details as crimes that occur in banks generally fall under FBI jurisdiction as they are FDIC insured? Just thought I'd pose some questions for responses... |
| Originally Posted by csauce777 My question is this...Is there something official that says that private companies (including banks) MUST hire local/and or MSP guys to fill private security details? Is there something that says Bank of America for example, can't hire deputies directly to fill their details inside their buildings rather than locals? Road jobs are clearly a different animal that have legislation behind them, but how can you force a private business to employ locals vs. deputies? |
| Originally Posted by csauce777 If we are going to split hairs...why shouldnt banks hire Feds to do their details as crimes that occur in banks generally fall under FBI jurisdiction as they are FDIC insured? |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy It is an interesting question, considering that a bank can hire ABC security why can't they hire a County Deputy for a detail. I am not saying the collective bargining agreement is wrong. It was just an interesting question. I do know Constables who have worked private details in a uniform. There are guidelines on what a Constable uniform can consist of. I am not saying that if the local PD was aware of this they couldn't shut the event down. I just know that it happens from time to time. My brother, the SP Sgt is no fan of Sheriff's Deputies but he would rather see a road job covered by a Deputy than go unfilled because he believes that if many details go unfilled and nothing happens it would add to fuel to the argument that some details are unnecessary. |
| Originally Posted by 94c I'm sure the FBI is really interested in bank details when they don't even get involved in Bank Robberies unless direct violence is involved or a pattern begins to emerge. While your at it, why not ask about the U.S. Treasury Police since they are the ones making the money. Your what if scenario carries as much logic as hiring the CMPSA to patrol the pike. |
| Also, a collective bargaining agreement cannot be right or wrong. It is a bound legal document between the Union and the City. Naturally any violations will have to be met with grievances, pickets, and any other legal union activity that is protected by law. |
| Originally Posted by csauce777 I guess I dont understand where a CBA has any bearing on a private business. You stated that it is an agreement between the union and the city. Where in there is it any kind of agreement involving anyone else? Who are you going to grieve, the bank? They are not bound by any contract provisions. Delta is right...if they choose to hire someone else, you simply leave the bag of shit with them, and thats understandable. |
| Originally Posted by pahapoika why not unionize the deputies ? |
| Originally Posted by pahapoika why not unionize the deputies ? |
| Originally Posted by Killjoy Recently I was in the Century Bank on Mystic Ave. in Medford and I noticed a Middlesex County Sheriff's car out front. Well, I thought nothing of it at first (maybe the deputy was depositing his check or something), until I walked in the lobby and saw the deputy behind the security counter. It seemed to me that he was on a paid detail, so my question is this; are the Medford PD so flush with details they're handing this great air-conditioned gig to the Sheriff's? I have a hard time believing this, but anything's possible. Anyone know? |
| Originally Posted by sulldog6 To answer your question There is no detail at that bank. The MSO moved their office into the building and part of the agreement is they (mso) will provide a desk officer for "security". Medford PD (detail office) is well aware of the situation along with the two unions (superior & patrol). |
| Originally Posted by RPD931 It's my understanding that the (jurisdiction) "levels of power" so to speak are as follows: 1) MSP 2) County (Sheriff's/Deputies) 3) Local (city or town) Clearly the Deputies have less powers than Locals, but they DO have arrest authority for many MGL's. What prohibits any entity from skipping over the Local PD and going right to MSP or County? And no, I'm not a hack deputy, I'm a local popo. Just a question.. |
| Originally Posted by RPD931 What prohibits any entity from skipping over the Local PD and going right to MSP or County? |
| Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne And your unions are cool with that i suppose. ![]() |
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