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Main Page Boylston Academy July 30th 07
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Posted by: chevyz7193

Hey guys..does anyone know the process to get into the boyston academy starting the 30th of july..it is my understanding that this is a college degree program that is only 15 weeks.. The reason i am asking is my younger brother is wants to self sponsor himself to an academy and he does have a degree in CJ..what does he need to do...

PS- i really dont want him to attend this gay academy..i am personally attending the MBTA Transit academy right now 19th MPOC...but whatever it will get him into a job.

Posted by: jnamc

He already missed the boat, there was an entrance exam a few weeks ago. Good luck with your "Straight" Academy.

Posted by: BlackOps

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Originally Posted by chevyz7193

PS- i really dont want him to attend this gay academy..i am personally attending the MBTA Transit academy right now 19th MPOC...but whatever it will get him into a job.

Good for you hero. The "gay" academy worked just fine for me and hundreds of other guys in central Mass.

Posted by: usaf1199a

I didn't attend the Boylston Academy but I can say that referring to any Police Academy as gay is completely disrespectful to any officer who has ever come out of that Academy. I work with some excellent Officer's who did graduate from Boylston. Anyone who has been on the job for a while will tell you that everything you learn that will make you a good cop you will learn AFTER the academy. You're not even a full-time cop yet and you're critiquing others who have sucessfully made thru a full-time Academy. You're so hardcore - who gives a crap if you're going to the MBTA academy - there are dirtbags in every academy who get thru the cracks whether it be Lowell, State Police, MBTA or Boylston. Get on for a while and maybe... oh, I don't know GRADUATE from an academy, then maybe you've earned the right to talk shit. Think before you post or don't post at all.

Posted by: HousingCop

All you need to do to find out who this clown is is to call down to the MBTA academy and find out which whacker shows up every day in the 1993 Chevy Z-71 pick-up truck. He's a one-post-wonder but he's not too smart using the screename chevyz7193.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by chevyz7193

PS- i really dont want him to attend this gay academy..i am personally attending the MBTA Transit academy right now 19th MPOC...but whatever it will get him into a job.

The MBTA Transit Police Academy is about a 2 minute walk from my police station.

Should I pay Senior Drill Instructor Frank Wolverton a visit, to let him know that one of his recruits has decided to pass judgment on police officers who have, unlike this recruit, actually graduated from a police academy?

If I know Frank at all, he will be none too pleased to hear that.

Hint to chevyz7193....shut your mouth. About 95% of what you need to know as a police officer will be learned from your FTO, and from actual street experience. Not from the academy.

My police academy (Waltham) was 13 weeks, it was a full MCJTC academy, and I didn't have any type of degree. Of course, I like to think I've learned a few things in the almost 20 years since.

Was my academy "gay" also?

Posted by: BrickCop

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Originally Posted by Delta784

*crickets chirping* A lone tumbleweed slow rolls across the dusty ground...

Posted by: usaf1199a

I still can't believe he made that post - way to make enemies with your fellow brother's in blue before you even get a badge. What an ignorant idiot... I'm all fired up. And yes BrickCop... the sound of those crickets is deafening.

Posted by: lynchie

Maybe when chevyz7193 graduates from his Straight(Super tough)academy he can show the rest of us who graduated from a GAY Academy how to be police officers.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by lynchie

Maybe when chevyz7193 graduates from his Straight(Super tough)academy he can show the rest of us who graduated from a GAY Academy how to be police officers.

Why bother to wait until graduation? He obviously has everything figured out already.

Posted by: chevyz7193

hey guys i clearly think everyone miss judged what i meant...i meant no harm in any one that had gone to bolyston...that academy is a good academy and i would take advice from any of you any day..what i meant and should have stated it more clearer is that i dont understand how a 15 week certificate program for people with degrees can be all that foundemental...everyone knows that the pt protion of boylston has gone down hill in the past few years...but i dont trust this new way of doing it...i dont know thats why i posted this..i needed to know more about it for my brother..i want him to go to a good academy...if boylston was the same way that it has been in the past years i would have no problem with him going...im sorry to those that mistook my thoughts...i look up to all police officers..i have been one myself for the past 5 years out west...but thankyou for those who shed some light on the "new" bolyston academy...and again didnt mean to disrespect anyone else...you guys are my true heros..i look up to you..

Posted by: SSPO#11

People alot smarter than you have decided that 15 weeks will be enough. Although you tried to back track on your first post....you dug yourself a bigger hole. Just shut up.

#11

Posted by: usaf1199a

Chevy, in all your infinite wisdom maybe you should e-mail Mr. Lebowitz, the head of the MPTC and inform him you don't "trust" the training that Boylston would provide based on your extensive law enforcement experience. Police officers are expected to be composed and verbally persuasive as they help people to deal with problems and provide testimony on behalf of the Commonwealth. Referring to an academy as "gay" shows not only shows your maturity level but your lack of intelligence. No one "misjudged" you - you said a Massachusetts Police Academy was gay and subsequently disrespected every Officer who has graduated from there... too many people far better than you have come out of that academy and served their Commonwealth with distinction and honor. So since I know you are on a certain maturity level I will respond to your last post with something you would understand. Eat my ass.

Posted by: jnamc

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Originally Posted by chevyz7193

hey guys i clearly think everyone miss judged what i meant...i meant no harm in any one that had gone to bolyston...that academy is a good academy and i would take advice from any of you any day..what i meant and should have stated it more clearer is that i dont understand how a 15 week certificate program for people with degrees can be all that foundemental...everyone knows that the pt protion of boylston has gone down hill in the past few years...but i dont trust this new way of doing it...i dont know thats why i posted this..i needed to know more about it for my brother..i want him to go to a good academy...if boylston was the same way that it has been in the past years i would have no problem with him going...im sorry to those that mistook my thoughts...i look up to all police officers..i have been one myself for the past 5 years out west...but thankyou for those who shed some light on the "new" bolyston academy...and again didnt mean to disrespect anyone else...you guys are my true heros..i look up to you..

Dear Chevy,

One thing that I can tell you about the LECP is that anyone who attends the academy must understand that grammar is not just that nice old lady who gives you money on your birthday! One fundamental or foundemental thing is spelling. Another thing that you may also want to consider is that when you speak about miss judged please do not forget about mr judged.

One more piece of advice…use your spare time more wisely in the future. Spare the rest of us from your pre-judging self-righteous diatribe. Instead, try grasping the English language…..ass

Posted by: SinePari

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Originally Posted by chevyz7193

Cut your losses and move on

Posted by: TheKid

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Originally Posted by chevyz7193

PS- i really dont want him to attend this gay academy..i am personally attending the MBTA Transit academy right now 19th MPOC...but whatever it will get him into a job.

Smooth...Real Smooth

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by chevyz7193

I too attended a 13 week full time academy many years ago with no degree at the time.

I learned criminal law, criminal procedure, firearms and defensive driving.
Today you spend 6 months trying to learn how to be compassionate and caring and loving and tolerant of others. Big F-in deal.

Some of us short academy graduates could teach you decades of experience in law enforcement. OOPS sorry, you're not learning law enforcement you're being brainwashed in criminal justice and community policing.

Some of us have gone on to get degrees and maybe even promoted.

There are some people coming out of the military that could probably get by with a month's worth of criminal law and procedure and be ready to hit the streets.

Posted by: 5-0

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Originally Posted by chevyz7193

Hey guys..does anyone know the process to get into the boyston academy starting the 30th of july..

Everyone relax. He was making fun of the Boyston academy, not the Boylston.

Posted by: BrickCop

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Originally Posted by 94c

Amen- some of these academies seem to be having a dick measuring contest to see who has the longest. I find the 26+ week recruits to be no smarter/better prepared than the 16 week recruits of years ago.

Posted by: THE RP

Once again an indication of the intelligence and maturity level of our current crop of gen X new hires....It's wonderful what being raised on Mtv, hip hop music and video games has done to the candidate pool....For the last few years things have really gone down hill where one out five is a keeper when it usually was one out of five didn't get it....Think about the time and energy we are all wasting with these morons.

Yes my friend...You have shown extraordinary class spirit..All others will tremble at your presence and throw themselves at your feet because your academy is superior...

Grow the fuck up before you go out into the real world and get one of my brothers hurt.

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by THE RP

Once again an indication of the intelligence and maturity level of our current crop of gen X new hires....It's wonderful what being raised on Mtv, hip hop music and video games has done to the candidate pool....For the last few years things have really gone down hill where one out five is a keeper when it usually was one out of five didn't get it....Think about the time and energy we are all wasting with these morons.

Yes my friend...You have shown extraordinary class spirit..All others will tremble at your presence and throw themselves at your feet because your academy is superior...

Grow the fuck up before you go out into the real world and get one of my brothers hurt.

And I thought it was just us....

I'm on a fairly good sized department and ten years ago there was a waiting line a mile long to get into special assignments like detectives and narcotics.

Today's crop just wants to do the job with as little effort as possible. Granted, if you've been on the streets for over a decade then you naturally have the right to slow down a bit and find a comfortable niche for yourself.

These guys are like that right out of the academy.

Posted by: Truck

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Originally Posted by 94c

Wow! Did you hit the nail on the head. "Some" of the boots coming out can't wait to get on mids and hide all night long. I just can't understand that mentality. Especially after listening to them in the interview phase of the hiring procedure. They sure can throw the bull.

Posted by: Sniper

I hear Chevy Zee has some very thankful classmates for the long TFL that was assigned last weekend because of his Masscops verbal diarrhea........ TOOL.

Posted by: THE RP

And I thought it was just us....-94c

Nope...It's becoming epidemic. The one thing that has always made this profession one of honor..The tradition, has been eroded away by incompetent bosses and insecure suckasssses that put themselves in positions where they don't allow the real cops to get near the new guys to teach them right from wrong. These days it is more important because our current entry level generation is so freekin lazy and self absorbed they would never have gotten through an oral board ten or fifteen years ago never mind when they actually land on the street. It's scary and it's demoralizing ,which ruins everyone else.......Humps and rats. Thats all we are left with...A pretty grim future for those of us that have to do 32 years in the wonderful commonwealth...Thats a whole different discussion, Eh?

Posted by: adroitcuffs

Hmmm chev, perhaps you can share with the class here exactly which agency "out west" you were evicted from??? Due to your attitude, I question the veracity of your statement of experience.

When I started 19 years ago, I did not think my superiors up through my chief were "less than" because of how long their academy was! Hell, back when they started, many agencies put officers out on the street for up to a year before sending them to an academy!!

To second what others have posted here, this new generation mentality just slays me. A guy on my department who was placed in a special assignment said he was glad to get the detail "to get a break from patrol." Mind you, he'd been out on his own as a patrol officer for all of a year at that point!!! He had no prior military experience and not much life experience to speak of. Simply amazing...

Posted by: 94c

I was never in the Military but, as I see it...

In the early to mid 70's many people came out of the service and joined law enforcement. Thirty years later these same people all left about the same time. Departments made mass hirings to replace these guys and you ended up with new people training new people on the streets.

Since they already knew everything there was to know about police work, this mass knowledge combined to create a bunch of know-it-alls with no one to put them in there place.

My first six months on the streets with an experienced officer meant I was not allowed to touch the radio and I was not allowed to talk at scenes. My job was to keep my mouth shut, listen, and learn.

Today's cop doesn't need this training because he already knows it all.
He doesn't realize that you can't bullshit a bullshitter.

I use the term "He" only as a matter of reference to include all police officers. The only other option would be to use "He/She" but that would lead to another discusssion.

Posted by: billb

I issued my newest troop his very own box and took away his talking rights. He was not allowed to talk back to anyone as he was the newest, he was not allowed to roll his eyes or decompress.If he didn't like getting picked on for being new (or stupid) he could right down a smart-alec responses to be read after his 90 day period of "silence".

He could ask and answer questions on the job (not to or in the presence of citizens) but that was it. The desk sergeant had to sign his box every shift so I could inspect it weekly.

Posted by: 7MPOC

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Originally Posted by 94c

I too attended a 13 week full time academy many years ago with no degree at the time.

I learned criminal law, criminal procedure, firearms and defensive driving.
Today you spend 6 months trying to learn how to be compassionate and caring and loving and tolerant of others. Big F-in deal.

Some of us short academy graduates could teach you decades of experience in law enforcement. OOPS sorry, you're not learning law enforcement you're being brainwashed in criminal justice and community policing.

Some of us have gone on to get degrees and maybe even promoted.

There are some people coming out of the military that could probably get by with a month's worth of criminal law and procedure and be ready to hit the streets.

I couldnt have said it better. Anyone who has been through the academy in the past 7 years will understand this. I had 40 hours of motor vehicle law...40 hours...did I say 40 hours??? I also had 24 hours of suicide prevention, 24 hours of health and welfare, 24 hours of elder abuse, and to top it off I believe 24 hours of community policing in which I had to write a paper on community policing in my town of hire. As a newly appointed patrolman going to midnights what is more important of the above mentioned? I am going to go out on a limb and say motor vehilce law/stops. Maybe the powers to be realized they were brainwashing to many new recruits to be more compassionate and make sure they knew how to fill out a 51A and talk to someone that may be feeling depressed. Maybe now the realize that they should train cops to be cops and the rest will come with time. Did I mention we also had to learn about the philosophy of policing and Sir Robert Peel? That helped me out at 3 am when I was trying to stop 3 suspects in a stolen car. Maybe it's me though, maybe I need another 40 hours of problem solving........

Posted by: BrickCop

They still teach about ol' Sir Robert Peel? I remember going over crap the first day of the academy back in 1988. I too thought it was a colossal waste of time. The segment devoted to crap like that would've been better spent on tactical/officer safety training.

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