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Posted by: auxiliary22

Does anyone know what the physical abilities test for MA corrections consists of?


Posted by: noob

I sent you a PM with a link that may help.


Posted by: newtonfb

could i get that link noob?


Posted by: Redleg13D

I went to the "career day" at the academy, occording to the handouts I recieved, they have changed the PAT format to be more somewhat more practical.

The are a series of items in an obstacle course set up. Not only must you complete the items in the aloted time, but you must also meet a heart rate standard.


Posted by: crazy irish

I have seen some pretty out of shape guys come out of Essex County. They say it's very easy. Other than that start working out your check writing hand and try to get down on your knees and stay there as long as possible. These two exercises will make a big deference in Essex County


Posted by: sparky

Not sure who Crazy Irish was trying to give advise to, but, there are a lot of hard working, good people working for the Essex County Sheriff's Department. He should not refer to his peers the way he does. I would bet he had some help getting a job there. Also, it doesn't hurt your chances if you know how to spell difference.


Posted by: crazy irish

So how much do you donate Sparky? By the way you realy must be proud of your Sheriff now. Seems after a near riot that injured 5 officers he stopped the security shakedowns so he could do an interview about paris Hilton. What a scumbag you work for. To make matters even worse it seems his administrators new abot the incident before hand but did nothing to prevent it. Keep those checks comming Sparky!


Posted by: KozmoKramer

Lets keep it on topic folks.
Excellent information FedUp, nicely done!!


Posted by: sparky

Crazy, my point had nothing to do with the Sheriff. By the way, I thought he was your Sheriff too. My point was you probably had some help getting your job, why is it so bad that other people get some help as well? Leave the hard working staff alone.


Posted by: RickMackey

Anyone know the run time?? Any other physical tests? sit&reach, bench,etc.?


Posted by: BSP4141

Where Is The Doc Academy Located?


Posted by: bsull12

The academy is located in Shirley next to Souza-Baranowski and Shirley Medium. Right off route 2


Posted by: BSP4141

Middle Of No-where


Posted by: RickMackey

I'm starting Plymouth in August. What should I expect??


Posted by: csauce777

Quote:
Originally Posted by sparky
Not sure who Crazy Irish was trying to give advise to, but, there are a lot of hard working, good people working for the Essex County Sheriff's Department. He should not refer to his peers the way he does. I would bet he had some help getting a job there. Also, it doesn't hurt your chances if you know how to spell difference.
Not to be a dick...and I'm not saying I agree with him Sparky, but before you criticize his spelling of "difference," you may want to confirm and correct your spelling of "advise," as I believe you were aiming for "advice." Sorry, just an equal opportunity critic.


Posted by: skimass

Mr. Mackey..... How could you be starting the academy in August, when the sheriff's dept. conducted the test and scored them today, 06/30. Didn't you post that yesterday? Have you passed the PAT test? Background? interview? Just wondering because I'm affiliated with the dept.


Posted by: sparky

777, you are correct and I will be more careful in the future. Damn, I looked at that 10 times before I sent it. My bad.


Posted by: NytroCop

I'm wondering the same stuff about the PAT test... I have my appointment set for July 30, 0730 hours at some Occ. Health place in Avon... a lot easier drive for me than Shirley, that's for damn sure.

I've noticed a lot of driving around for this stuff... MCI Norfolk to sign, Shirley for the interview/background/etc, and now Avon for the PAT, psych, and med. eval.
AJ


Posted by: bsull12

The academy is in shirley so get use to driving there.


Posted by: CodeBlue1970

Did they change the PAT requirements becuase i know In Jan 2007 a 32 yr old only had to run 1.5 in 18min and do 22 situps and 17 pushups? i know they had did this because they couldnt get anyone to pass the pat?


Posted by: NytroCop

19-29 y/o: 1.5m run in 16:04; 29 sit-ups; 22 push-ups


Posted by: KozmoKramer

http://www.mass.gov/Eeops/docs/doc/policies/201.pdf

MASS DOC PHYSICAL FITNESS ENTRANCE STANDARDS MALE
AGE SIT UPS PUSH UPS RUN
19 ½-29 38 REPS 29 REPS 12:51
30-39 35 REPS 24 REPS 13:36
40-49 29 REPS 18 REPS 14:29
50-50+ 24 REPS 13 REPS 15:26

MASS DOC PHYSICAL FITNESS ENTRANCE STANDARDS FEMALE
AGE SIT UPS PUSH UPS RUN
19 ½-29 32 REPS 23 REPS 15:26
30-39 25 REPS 19 REPS 15:57
40-49 20 REPS 13 REPS 16:58
50-50+ 14 REPS 12 REPS 17:55


Posted by: pahapoika

wow , they have lowered the entrance PT.


Posted by: screamineagle

Quote:
Originally Posted by pahapoika
wow , they have lowered the entrance PT.
my buddy who got hired a year and a half ago said they did indeed lower the standards, even since he went in.


Posted by: NytroCop

Koz, those are interesting numbers you posted. they gave us a hand-out in a packet at my interview on Wednesday and I quoted straight from that... and that's what I'm basing my workouts on. This'll be interesting to see what happens if your numbers are correct and the numbers they gave us are wrong. Does that site say that those numbers are for the "new" PAT that they are implementing? (I didn't check, sorry)

EDIT: Just checked it out... very interesting. I believe the packet they gave us is dated Feb. 2006. This is going to be interesting if they gave us bunk information.- AJN


Posted by: RickMackey

I took the PAT in Plymouth Saturday and it's different than whats listed above. In my age group(male 20-29) it was this:
Sit ups: 38 in 1 min
Sit and reach: 16.5 inches
Bench press: your own weight
300 meter run: 66 seconds
1.5 mile run: 12:51


Posted by: shannon

I went to the interview on Wednesday and the handbook that we received was completely different. Instead of sit-ups and push-ups, they now have you drag a person either holding them or on a sheet, running up and down stairs, and running. There were a couple more activities listed, but that's pretty much what you'll have to do. They still run, but from what they told us it's not much faster than a brisk walk.


Posted by: KozmoKramer

Shannon - are you talking about the Massachusetts Department of Corrections, or a County HOC?


Posted by: NytroCop

I call MA DOC human resources today to firm up what we've been discussing. Shannon is correct: there is no more timed 1.5 mile run, push-ups, or sit-ups.. instead it will be more of a job oriented evaluation. Basically, from my understanding, we will be hooked up to a heart monitor to read out our performance on a "run" (aka jog), stairmaster-esce machine, dummy pull, and maybe one or two more disciplines... the HR person was not totally forthcoming with me but I did get that much info out of her. Take it as you will. Good luck to all and let the flame wars begin!!

AJ


Posted by: pahapoika

needless to say good cardiovascular and upper body strength will help out in a inmate confrontation and could make the difference of holding your own or getting seriously hurt.

just because the DOC has lowered their standards , don't lower yours. allot of these inmates are drug addicts and street people. they will explode and try to get the immediate advantage.

stay in the fight and you will find their abused bodies don't hold out too long and by then help has arrived.


Posted by: NytroCop

oh i know, i know. the HR person told me something along the effect of "oh, don't worry about it. Just get in there and have fun with it." Bullshit, I'm still training like I'm trying to beat the 1.5 mile run and getting my pushup and situp numbers up there. I know that if/after I pass the PAT, I still got a lovely 10-week academy ahead of me that isn't going to be any cake-walk. I'm kicking my ass now to have an easier time later (I hope).

AJ


Posted by: Mozzarella

Quote:
Originally Posted by screamineagle
my buddy who got hired a year and a half ago said they did indeed lower the standards, even since he went in.
Standards? Not saying much for your buddy! Just bustin ya.. The DOC did in fact give him one hell of a reality slap.


Posted by: shannon

I am referring to the Massachusetts DOC. They passed out the handbook and the page with the PAT information was completely crossed out. They gave us a new sheet with they info I posted earlier.


Posted by: NytroCop

ok, my stuff looked crossed out but I never got the "new" sheet.


Posted by: bsull12

Rumor is there should be a class with 150 recruits in September.


Posted by: NytroCop

the cards they sent out to us said that they had 150 open slots and the Sgt. that was helping us with the interview process (background check, formal interview, fitting for uniforms, etc.) said that they'd be running two classes come Sept. A usual 8-4 crew and then an overlap 1-9 crew.
The background investigators figured that with my score on the test (91) that I would probably be in the first class. *shrugs* we'll see. I'd be happy getting in at all!

AJ


Posted by: shannon

There is going to be another class for September for 150 people. There will also be another class in January, so chances are good that if you don't get into this one you will for the next. They did 8 days of interviews, approximately 25 people per day. That's 200 people for 150 positions- that's pretty good odds of getting in... I also can't imagine that everyone that I saw will proceed to the next phase of the hiring process


Posted by: NytroCop

some of the people i saw there were quite questionable at best... i would assume that those would be weeded out. It'll be interesting to see.

Shannon when's your PAT? did you get jul.30th too?


Posted by: shannon

I am still waiting to hear... my interview was last Wednesday, so I'm guessing that I'll know within a couple of weeks. Yeah, some of the people were definitely questionable. I was under the assumption that "proper business attire" meant a suit, not a t-shirt and gym shorts with sandals!


Posted by: NytroCop

yeah, i take time out of my schedule to get my suit cleaned (i work on-call at an establishment where dressing well may lead to getting quite dirty... PM if you really want to know), a new haircut (a few days before so it has time to grow in a bit and look "natural"... whatever the hell THAT is), and prepare myself of possible questions they may have about the job, my background, education, family, etc. and these people show up late, without paperwork, looking like they're ready for the beach, much less an interview.

Hey, if you want to look skinny, stand next to a fat guy (don't get any ideas!!)... if you want to look good at a job interview, sit next to an unprepared slob!


Posted by: KozmoKramer

Good luck to all taking the PAT!!


Posted by: auxiliary22

What's the deal? Had the interview and ect. on June 27. Scored a 94 on the exam, no criminal background or anything, and i believe my interview went well, Havn't heard anything since then? Was I one of the last to do an interview, or did I not make it to the next step? Think I'll call on monday. Any info would be great. Thanks

oh, and I wasn't dressed like a bum!


Posted by: bsull12

There probably doing background checks right now. I'm sure their taking there time cause the next academy isn't till September. I wasn't notified that I got the job till 2 weeks before the academy started


Posted by: NytroCop

i was interviewed on July 11th and got a call the 13th to schedule the PAT. I scored a 91 on the test so I don't know what's going on with you.

i don't know if it has anything to do with my job but i'm working contract security in boston at a pretty reputable place. this position would definitely be a step up. I also have a few things going for me: i.e. already certified for my license to carry, healthcare provider CPR and first responder first aid, as well as already having the reserve police academy.

i don't know how much those affected things... you may be ten times more qualified than i am. i don't know of any rhyme or reason that you haven't been called. maybe they want to see if the fat kids pass the PAT first lol.

AJ


Posted by: NytroCop

OK kids, gather 'round, Uncle AJ's got some new info from a credible source. A friend of mine happens to teach a course or two during the DOC academy. He's friends with the DI's and did some scouting for me. From what he was told by the head DI, this is the scoop:

First phase: full physical examination (if you have any scars be able to explain them, and document them if possible)
Second phase: hook you up to a EKG-esce machine and put you on a treadmill. 80% of your BP for 10-12 min.
Third phase: bring you out back to a 120-pound football sled. Push the sled for a pre-determined distance for a pre-determined number of times (no specifics given)
Fourth phase: firemen's/blanket carry with a 120-pound dummy.

That's all the information I was given. From the information provided, this seems like a pretty simple PAT however i'm not taking anything for granted. i don't know what 80% of my hear rate is but that's easy enough to figure out. Take care and good luck to all those involved.

AJ


Posted by: Bish

My son received notice to call to set up interview at training academy for 8-1-07. He went to Human Resources to pick up job application forms and was given info on new PAT proceedures. No more sit-ups, push- ups or run. There is an obstacle course which is supposed to resemble real life emergency situations. All the time you will be having your heart monitored to check on your Maximum Training Heart Rate. They will be putting you through 11 tasks:
Run on treadmill, Run up and down several flights of stairs, lift a unresponsive person (160lbs) to waist, lift unresponsive person to shoulder, push, pull, drag a mannequin with added weight time/ distance, fit through a 17 inch space, maintain a sustained crouch for 60 seconds, kneel on tile or concrete for 60 seconds. If anyone has done this test is there a time frame in which you must complete it?
Any info would be most appreciated. Thanks and Good Luck to all.


Posted by: mavs41

what does the drug test, test for. yes i know drugs lol but what types, narcotics, painkillers, steroids??? I heard from other forums ppl taking creatine or other supplements could be questioned or marked as questionable. Im going in on aug 6th. dont want to limit myself in any way, i am taking creatine,and some other supps/vitamins, and have prescription ibuprofen and light painkillers for tendonitis and bursitis


Posted by: NytroCop

they'll probably ask you about it but i would doubt it to be a big deal. creatine only pumps water in between the muscle fibers... easier fix: drink more water. if you were taking anabolics then i'd say you'd have a bit more of a problem. as long as you can document the prescriptions of rht eibuprofen and the painkillers for the documented ailments you should be fine. good luck and hopefully we'll see each other in september!


Posted by: newtonfb

i havent got a call yet I dressed good for the interview i thought it went well and i scored an 86..not great but i thought it was good enough. Ive never had any problems in my past either....is there still a chance ill get in?


Posted by: NytroCop

whelp, there's two classes for this next academy (an 8-4 morning class and a 1-9 evening class), there's also rumors of a january class as well. if you happen not to get into this class then you may be contacted for the january class. *shrugs* i haven't been able to figure out any rhyme or reason just yet.

AJ


Posted by: MortarMaggot

Any veteran officers have any info on the TRT physical fitness test for an old Army Mortar Maggot who's now working as a Screw?


Posted by: NytroCop

update: Went for the physical abilities test on Monday. Basically they played out a scenario for us:
You're at your station on the west side of the facility. A code comes in from the east side of the facility. You have to run a 1/2 mile to the other side (at 5 mph), and climb to the highest level (aerobic step-ups for 3 min). You come down the corridor and see two CO's down. You carry the first CO (86lb. dummy) down the corridor and out the door to safety (carry the dummy across the room, back to the door, then set it on a mat with a box of weights). Then you drag the other officer (dummy on sheet with weighted box) down the corridor and out the door to safety (same loop as carrying the dummy). Then you pick up the weighted box to your waist 5 times, the proctor takes out a few plates and you have to lift the box to your shoulder level (chest) 5 times. then you have to push and pull a big weighted sled (maybe 90-120lb max) some pre-determined yardage.

That's the majority of the new PAT with the exception of being able to bend over, squat, and kneel for one minute each.

With that said, I passed. That same day the background investigator made the rounds to my former employers and my house (interviewed my parents and checked out the house). Tuesday he made the trip to my current workplace and talked with my supervisors for a few minutes, and today I got word that he called a few of my references. It's reassuring that they're thorough with their background checks.

I have to go back for my psychological follow-up with the psychiatrist/psychologist on Sunday. Will catch you up to date afterwards.

AJ




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