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Posted by: kwflatbed

Requests $6.2M from state for county department
By TOM BENNER
Patriot Ledger State House Bureau
BOSTON - For the third year in a row, Plymouth County Sheriff Joseph McDonald has come back to Beacon Hill looking for a state bailout to close a multimillion-dollar shortfall in the sheriff’s department budget.

A state panel that oversees county budgets is expected to vote today on McDonald’s request for $6.2 million.

McDonald, a Kingston Republican who ran on a platform of fiscal discipline and who took office in January 2005, made similar requests to plug budget holes in 2005 and 2006. In previous years, McDonald has fought off red ink by delaying payments on bills to vendors for food, gasoline, utilities, clothing and other goods and services at the 1,500-inmate Plymouth County Jail, as well as leaving some jobs unfilled.

McDonald spokesman John Birtwell blamed declining revenue from the excise tax on deeds as a big reason for the department’s budget shortfall. He added that other county sheriffs’ departments are similarly strapped for cash and looking for more money from the state.

Birtwell said the biggest increases in costs from a year ago were about $1 million in additional spending for health care for retirees, an additional million for contributions to the county retirement fund and a 3 percent raise for members of five unions who work for the sheriff’s department.

He also said energy and food costs have gone up at the jail. Birtwell said the department hopes to use $1 million in so-called ‘‘canteen fund’’ revenues (such as inmate phone call receipts and prison farmstand revenues) to offset a portion of its deficit.

Last year the state County Finance Government Review Board, which oversees county spending, approved a $55.3 million budget for the Plymouth sheriff’s department for the fiscal year that ends July 31.

In April, McDonald submitted a $7.1 million bailout request, Patrick administration spokeswoman Cyndi Roy said. McDonald recently reduced the number to $6.2 million, Roy said, bringing the sheriff’s most recent spending projection for the current fiscal year to $61.5 million.

Full Story: http://ledger.southofboston.com/arti...ews/news04.txt

Posted by: BB-59

Bristol County Sheriff's are in the same bind as is almost everyone in either corrections or police work.

Like it or not police work and corrections is an expensive endevor, the public in general realy has no idea what or where the money goes.

Maybe this would be a good time for the state to have an operations audit of all county and state corrections facilities to streamline operations and staffing.

Posted by: 2-Delta

I hope people know better then to believe the Ledger. The Sheriff is still in debt just like he was when he took over office. He didn't go begging for money, the state gets together with county officials and determines who gets what between ALL Sheriffs. But hey, who needs facts and truths when you have democrats.

Posted by: PearlOnyx

I'm hearing that Essex may also now be deep in the red. Not sure how true that is, since I'm not around anymore, but from experience there is so much waste, and top heavy management in the county corrections "biz" that alot of money could be saved by an operations audit of some of these departments.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Let's get rid of all of them and merge the COs in DOC and get rid of all the deputies.

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by BB-59

Like it or not police work and corrections is an expensive endevor, the public in general realy has no idea what or where the money goes.

then maybe they should stop trying to do both.

Posted by: BB-59

Keep in mind that for all the swipes that are taken about sheriff's and waste no one pushes for audits even when the signs are all about about waste and top heavy management.

Just keep bashing the sheriffs, knda of like barking at the moon.

Posted by: co2

They all need to be audited. They are all top heavy. It is sad when the civillans that dont even work with inmates make more than the c/o and lt. All counties are like this. They all say there is no money but they manage to hire another political hookup for 100k a year.And they wonder why there are in the red.

Posted by: 94c

Only in the sheriff's department can someone get a job and go straight to Captain. Take that money and give it to the hard working men and women behind the walls.

The budget should be just fine. Playing cop can be an expensive endeavor.

Posted by: gooday

Sheriffs doing details being deputized does not cost the county or the state one cent. Believe me the worst thing that can happen is to have the D.O.C merge with the Sheriffs. The Counties may not have much money but the D.O.C admin cant even run there own prisons properly they will screw up our screwed up places even more. Correcctions has to be more expencive then police if you think about it because we have to feed, clothes and pretend to correct these assholes that live on the tax payers dime in and out of jail.Believe me the counties are in trouble but most of it is not from over spending on toys, its from way over paying unexperienced administrators $80,000 a year that do nothing. These places should be audited through the pay role and you would see a big difference.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Here is something I saw the other day and was disgusted with. I worked a detail for a large function in a town somewhere in Middlesex County. Six Harley motorcycles Full police with blue lights and full permanent markings showed up from Middlesex Sheriffs Department. All these twats had captain bars and LT bars, one had Sgt chevrons and all of them were 60+ years old and guess what, they OWNED those bikes. They all had Blue Knights plates or regular MC passenger plates with blue see through plastic on top of them so they look official like our blue plates. What a freaking bunch of losers. How can you think that we will respect you with your fake ass captain bars and reserve academy training. We all laughed at them and did it so loud that they had to ride away. Sheriffs in MA are the biggest joke that walked the earth, they should disappear altogether. The MSP and locals don't need them at all for anything, they are just a group of losers that could not make it on a PD. I have more respect for auxiliary police officers and crossing guards then deputies.

Posted by: youareadolt

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Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

Here is something I saw the other day and was disgusted with. I worked a detail for a large function in a town somewhere in Middlesex County. Six Harley motorcycles Full police with blue lights and full permanent markings showed up from Middlesex Sheriffs Department. All these twats had captain bars and LT bars, one had Sgt chevrons and all of them were 60+ years old and guess what, they OWNED those bikes. They all had Blue Knights plates or regular MC passenger plates with blue see through plastic on top of them so they look official like our blue plates. What a freaking bunch of losers. How can you think that we will respect you with your fake ass captain bars and reserve academy training. We all laughed at them and did it so loud that they had to ride away. Sheriffs in MA are the biggest joke that walked the earth, they should disappear altogether. The MSP and locals don't need them at all for anything, they are just a group of losers that could not make it on a PD. I have more respect for auxiliary police officers and crossing guards then deputies.

i couldn't really read between the lines are you saying you don't like the shefiffs. next time don't hold back, let us know how you feel.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

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Originally Posted by youareadolt

i couldn't really read between the lines are you saying you don't like the shefiffs. next time don't hold back, let us know how you feel.

Something like that!!

Posted by: PearlOnyx

BB,

There are plenty of people that work hard behind the wall that would love to see some sort of state audit. I worked inside the fence for a little over five years, and there are plenty of people that have spoken out against waste inside these facilities, but they are regularly squashed by the political machine that is behind most of the county sheriffs in that state. I believe at one point we figured out that at one facility there was one administrator (Captain or above) for every four line officers.

Posted by: Killjoy

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I believe at one point we figured out that at one facility there was one administrator (Captain or above) for every four line officers.

That's like a company commander for every four privates! And I thought we had it bad.

Posted by: dcs2244

The obvious answer is to eliminate the office of the sheriff and incorporate all the jail deputies into the DOC. All commissioned (political fellators) officers should be fired and promotions made off the existing DOC cs promotion lists...

No more motorcycles, dive teams, K9's that work OUTSIDE the walls, PT boats, destroyers or fighter jets, et cetera.

We can call it "Operation Shrek the Turd" because it's a fantasy and will never happen...especially with "Deevil and the Spend-o-Matics at the helm...

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Posted by: gooday

Leave shrek out of this pal !!!!

Posted by: dcs2244

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Originally Posted by gooday

Leave shrek out of this pal !!!!

Sorry, buddy...I take the Shrek thing back1111!111!!!1111

Posted by: Vader

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Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

Kind of like that mental-case that puts sheriff's emblems on his H2 and drives the sheriff's horses around for him. As for the audit...I know someone who was recently appointed by the sheriff to a six figure salary job..that was never posted...that nobody vacated AND that never existed before!!!

No need for an audit.

Posted by: pahapoika

there are some very solid county correction officers that are deputies and would be an asset should things get ugly.

like city cops , their street guys and have no problem rolling around with the bad guys.

the hacks are useless and give the rest of the CO's a bad name.

i personally would like to see a merger only because it would mean more different places to work , more money for county officers and more people for a stronger union

Posted by: sherifflittle

i think that by grouping the sheriffs as wannabe's or whatever you said is ignorant..granted there are guys who are a disgrace..but guess what?.. thats every department...gung ho gi joe's.. truth be told alot of agencies respect the hell out of deputies that show up for a job, shut their mouths, speak when spoken to, do the job correctly than some shmuck out to earn a buck.....now i am a deputy. being in law enforcement is something ive strived for my whole life. the cards didnt fall in place for me to be a cop. due to the civil service scores. i was lucky to get in the reserve acadamy. ive personally been told that they wish they had more deputies like myself that do the job right...the old school cops and the guys that have been on a while can weed out the bad apples...so just try not to group us all together in one catagory...thank you

Posted by: gooday

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Originally Posted by Vader

You hit the nail on the head. This is one of the biggest problems with some of the budgets. Some of the secreteries where I work get payed more then me. The secreteries have secreteries.Then we have people that nobody has a clue who they are or what they do that have time to go outside and smoke twenty times a day. We cant even eat in staff dinning because we get relieved to late and they are already taking up all the seats. Then they stay there for easly an hour and a half shooting the shit. Then we have administrators with no correctional experience comming in and taking home 80,000 pluss a year. Then to justify ther jobs they rock the boat a bit screw some people over for nothing and change the rules and screw everything up. Durring the average day shift at my work the c/o's get no parking because of all the office people that do nothing and make big money. Ther are actually more of them then there are c/o's that work at the whole place ,we figured it out. There is some big money to be saved. Then they give the administrators group 4 and they have never seen an inmate.

Posted by: Niteowl

So OutOfManyOne you don’t need sheriffs do ya. Well next time you arrest someone, you hold them till the courts send them up state or releases them. As for the Middlesex wacks I’ll have to agree. But I am sick of all you tough guy cops that have to bash sheriffs every time a thread is started, get a life. I’ve worked the blocks for the last 10 years, a job all you cruiser driving, OC, baton and gun carrying chickens could never do. As for a loser not being able to get a pd job, please. You know that you were probably politically hooked up by mommy or daddy. I don’t have connections so I don’t get the job, while the cities toughest bunch of p@$$ies patrol the streets. I hope your not one of the cities or towns that has to bring your fresh arrests to the jail because if you are try saying that crap to one of the officers you dropping you scumbag off to.

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by sherifflittle

i think that by grouping the sheriffs as wannabe's or whatever you said is ignorant..granted there are guys who are a disgrace..but guess what?.. thats every department...gung ho gi joe's.. truth be told alot of agencies respect the hell out of deputies that show up for a job, shut their mouths, speak when spoken to, do the job correctly than some shmuck out to earn a buck.....now i am a deputy. being in law enforcement is something ive strived for my whole life. the cards didnt fall in place for me to be a cop. due to the civil service scores. i was lucky to get in the reserve acadamy. ive personally been told that they wish they had more deputies like myself that do the job right...the old school cops and the guys that have been on a while can weed out the bad apples...so just try not to group us all together in one catagory...thank you

I'd venture a guess that the spelling, capitalization and punctuation sections of the Civil Service exam were the problem?

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Originally Posted by Niteowl

So OutOfManyOne you don’t need sheriffs do ya. Well next time you arrest someone, you hold them till the courts send them up state or releases them. As for the Middlesex wacks I’ll have to agree. But I am sick of all you tough guy cops that have to bash sheriffs every time a thread is started, get a life. I’ve worked the blocks for the last 10 years, a job all you cruiser driving, OC, baton and gun carrying chickens could never do. As for a loser not being able to get a pd job, please. You know that you were probably politically hooked up by mommy or daddy. I don’t have connections so I don’t get the job, while the cities toughest bunch of p@$$ies patrol the streets. I hope your not one of the cities or towns that has to bring your fresh arrests to the jail because if you are try saying that crap to one of the officers you dropping you scumbag off to.

1. Many of us have worked as C/O's. Saying we could never do your job is an ego massaging bunch of bullsh*t. However, us saying you could never get on our job is a cold hard fact.

2. If thinking that guys on a Police Department are "just politically connected" makes you feel better, have a ball. A lot of the jerks at my old corrections job told me I would never get on a PD because I had no political connections. 11 years later, I guess they were wrong.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

No connections here buddy boy, I took the test and got on the right way. I never had to pay a dime or kiss anyone's ass to get my job, more than you can say about you. If you read my poist, I said f*ck the deputies, not COs. Deputies are useless and are NOT needed, EVER by any PD. You have to earn your right to wear the police badge, not just pay for it and act like you are the shit by wearing it. And spare me the block drama, our job is tougher.

Posted by: Niteowl

Oh, I’m sorry you didn’t have the intestinal fortitude to do the job. I stand corrected.
Wow two people in the state that got their job legitimately, SOMEBODY PLEASE CALL GUINESS.
And by the way I am a Deputy as well and I earned that right.
Your job is tougher. I don’t think so. Ever roll on the ground with a guy covered in crap, how about rush a guy that has cut his throat ear to ear and his wrists and was pulling a veins. I doubt it. Ever break up a 30 person fight without mace, NOPE. I could go on and on. Remember you have the BAT MAN belt, when it’s all said and done you see them for what 20 min. I nave the for the rest of their lives. So check the tough guy crap at the door.

Posted by: co2

Wow getting ugly in here. Question for the deputies out there. Does the sheriff get a percent of youre details. And also didnt you deputies have to pay for the academy. I heard bristol county had a somewhat academy for anyone wanting to be a deputy dog.

Posted by: Niteowl

Sheriff doesn't get a dime of my detail money, and yes I paid for the reserve class.

Posted by: Otto

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Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

No connections here buddy boy, I took the test and got on the right way. I never had to pay a dime or kiss anyone's ass to get my job, more than you can say about you. If you read my poist, I said f*ck the deputies, not COs. Deputies are useless and are NOT needed, EVER by any PD. You have to earn your right to wear the police badge, not just pay for it and act like you are the shit by wearing it. And spare me the block drama, our job is tougher.

So, using your criteria, non - civil service police officers who did not take a test are no better than sheriffs.

Most of the deputies I know are also full time CO's. How do they rate?

So why do police departments call our deputies just about every day?

How is a police badge earned?

If a sheriff does the same, has he earned it?

Your divisiveness betrays your screen name.

Posted by: MM1799

What a stupid debate: Who's job is tougher?
Ridiculous.
Anyone with half a brain knows both jobs are tough. COs have to deal with some crazy shit inside the walls but POs deal with those same individuals outside where they have access to knives, guns.. etc.

Niteowl; I read your previous posts. It is crystal clear why you have such anomosity for us POs.

Posted by: gooday

I will never say that my job as a c/o is tougher than a police officers, just different. But as far as politics being involved in hiring of police it is true. I know many cops and they either have a reletive already working for the same Dept and got pushed along or the know a Selectman, Mayor or town manager. But that is not to say all are politicaly hired just a good amount. I know this does not happen as much with the state pd or the B.P.D. I'm sure there are some circumstances but not all. I hold nothing against that as long as the dont get special treatment and they diserve and earn to be there by being solid and doing a good job. But guys please, to say there is no politics in the civil service ways, come on now. Like the department where I live all they do is if the person they want to hook up is close enough they just find the smallest reason to pass him through. They just say the person before him failed the interview or they bring up a speeding ticket from 1982. Then maybe even use the old maybe college or some experience could help for the next time but thats what we are looking for now. Meanwhile they hire a guy with 2 A/B's and another with O.U.I's. If there is not enough open spots they hire them and hold it until one is open. My friend got screwed by this and one guy he was passed by for was related to a selectman. Now get ready because with the new scoring system it just got a whole lot more political. By the way I had to put pretty heavy refrences on my application for the Sheriffs office and I dont care to say it because I do a great job, I back my boys and I now have a great career. Nobody ever questions me about who I knew when I'm out doing a road detail and if they did I'd tell them. Why because I dont care and if any of these people felt this way they never had the balls to rag on me to my face. Believe me though I wouldnt ignore it so it would be game on nobody's pissing on my coworkers or my proffession as a c/o on the side of some road. But I will say my respect still goes out to you for the job you do. Piss on the deputies that are trying to do real police work like the ones that dont work inside and would do a detail half price just to wear the uniform and have a gun on there hip in public all you want. But I do know the post was not aimed at c/o's and I know one of you guys is a trooper but I wanted to point out civil service can be tilted. If you work for a city or town you know how some people got on. It doesnt mean they dont do a great job though. This post was not to offened anyone just throw in my 2 cents. Oh my spelling is awfull to so be kind.

Posted by: PearlOnyx

Niteowl,

From reading your posts, I'm pretty sure you're one of my former co-workers, more than likley someone I have a lot of respect for. Having done both jobs, they are very different. Working in corrections was more violent, but you have much more responsibility on the street. We all have our opinions though. I think you can agree though, that management is bloated, facilities are unsafe, and change is in order, but politics continue to remain in the way.

Posted by: Niteowl

Yea Pearl we worked together, we even worked a detail in Salem together, hope all is well. Our place still sucks.
MM, no, I hold no ill will toward any onther officer. Only the ones who bash all sheriffs/deputies and the few that my prior dept. bypassed me for because of thier connections. Those that leave my dept. for a PD I wish them all the best of luck and to stay safe.
SO BB and One, think twice, type once.

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

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Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

And spare me the block drama, our job is tougher.

Which rough and tough Metropolitan area do you work that makes your job so difficult??

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by Niteowl

Oh, I’m sorry you didn’t have the intestinal fortitude to do the job. I stand corrected.
Wow two people in the state that got their job legitimately, SOMEBODY PLEASE CALL GUINESS.
And by the way I am a Deputy as well and I earned that right.
Your job is tougher. I don’t think so. Ever roll on the ground with a guy covered in crap, how about rush a guy that has cut his throat ear to ear and his wrists and was pulling a veins. I doubt it. Ever break up a 30 person fight without mace, NOPE. I could go on and on. Remember you have the BAT MAN belt, when it’s all said and done you see them for what 20 min. I nave the for the rest of their lives. So check the tough guy crap at the door.

Oh, screw you and your tough guy attitude. I left because being a C/O SUCKS. You get zero respect, the pay is awful and it is not the slightest bit fun. It's not because I couldn't handle it; it's just a terrible job.

As far as all the "really scary stuff" you mentioned, I've been involved in similar incidents on both sides of the wall so you can drop the tude. You aren't impressing a soul here with your war stories.

The difference is, on the outside there are guns, the thugs have a reason to fight (their freedom) and there are a lot more variables.

Posted by: co2

And i thought this thread was about plymouth county being in the red.

Posted by: JeffC

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Originally Posted by Niteowl

you're an insecure douchebag.

Posted by: kwflatbed

Enough of the bullcrap thread locked.

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