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Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Read the new listing on LEAPS Jobfile. First MPOC 15 weeks for 2 yr CJ student graduates and anyone with a 4 yr college degree in CJ is starting soon. I guess the Chiefs got this to pass. Boylston will be the first one, still need to be hired by a PD though.

Posted by: JoninNH

Hired or sponsored, and looks like those with a CJ Certificate from a Mass Community College can apply too.

Posted by: Nachtwächter

http://www.mass.gov/Eeops/docs/mptc/...er_revised.pdf

Posted by: MPDReserve

Is this some kind of accelerated full time academy? I don't really understand.

Posted by: Portable81

That's what it sounds like to me. Interresting.

Posted by: mpr4601

I had heard from the director of one of the non-MPTC-run academies last year that the state was eventually going to require a minimum of an Associate degree for acceptance into an academy. Perhaps this is the first step in that direction. Interesting...

Posted by: soxrock75

So, is it accelerated or are they going to drop some of the classes. If you have to pass the MPTC law class for admission, does that mean that they won't require Criminal/Constitutional or MV Law classes and just focus on the practical stuff like DT/Scenarios etc.?

Posted by: dcorn18

I am getting a degree in CJ and was wondering if this means that after being sponsored by a department you can be hired full-time. Does anyone know what happens after the academy, if you are hired, put on a list,etc?

Posted by: DodgeRam

A lot of kids seem to think that this is some sort of police summer camp, up where I take classes, all the kids (under 21 by the way) were saying "oh yeah I know the chief pretty good, I can get into this".. stupid stupid kids..

Posted by: Macop

I think its ridiculous to substitute weeks in the police academy for a degree. As we all know having a degree doesnt mean shit when it comes to learning practical Police work.

Posted by: DodgeRam

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Originally Posted by Macop

I think its ridiculous to substitute weeks in the police academy for a degree. As we all know having a degree doesnt mean shit when it comes to learning practical Police work.

Could not be more true, to be honest I think im a half shitty student, but put me out in that car doing police work, traffic, you name it and I think that I do a pretty good damn job.

Posted by: JoninNH

Good point! And there are others who are A students who do shitty police work.

Posted by: that guy

It isn't like getting sponsored for the R/I, you need a cruiser for a week, complete medical work up, have passed the PAT, and a load of other crap (i.e the basic recruit equipment list).

Posted by: dcorn18

can anyone answer my question?

Posted by: MPDReserve

I was curious because I don't believe that having a degree would be in any way a substitute to a full academy. Stuff learned in college is more broad and general where the academy training, i assume will be training geared strictly towards the law enforcement field.

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Originally Posted by dcorn18

I am getting a degree in CJ and was wondering if this means that after being sponsored by a department you can be hired full-time. Does anyone know what happens after the academy, if you are hired, put on a list,etc?

You need to go through all the crap of getting hired by a department before you worry about sponsorship. Departments aren't going to sponsor someone that they haven't already hired. Having your degree will help in the selection process, you have to wait on the list first, get called, get hired, and then go through the academy. This is based on what I know from my experiences and of others I know. If anyone has a different opinion, please let us know.

Posted by: cchc28

I couldn't have said that any better beeeeatch

Posted by: PBiddy35

Note, CCHC: Mr. banana fingers or whatever his name is is the creepiest and most disturbing child molester/eater cartoon that I have ever seen. Thank you for reigniting memories of it.

Posted by: Polizei

Is this a sleepover academy I hope? It is ridiculous if this new academy has less total classroom hours. A college education has no bearing on if you will be a good Cop. You either have street smarts or do not.

Posted by: new guy

What you learn in the college classroom has nothing to do with police recruit training. I know Officers with full time police academies and experience from other states including NYPD, who had to go through the academy all over again after being hired by a city or town in Mass. If this state is going to offer some type of streamline version of the academy than it should start with those who already have training and experience, like the out of state PO's and even the campus PO's who already attended the SSPO academy. This is what many other states are doing and it makes much more sense to me.

Posted by: cchc28

that would be salad fingers

Posted by: dcorn18

Thanks MPD reserve, for now I'm going to try to get into a dept. for dispatching since im only 18.You know any out there hiring in norfolk county area?

Posted by: DodgeRam

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Posted by: MPDReserve

Don't know norfolk dcorn. But trying for that is a good idea for now. Stay in school and good luck when you turn 21. Then you'll know what waiting really is.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

What a waste, it's bad enough now when recruits go 22 weeks and don't know shit when they get out so cut it down to 15 weeks and know even less.

Posted by: bgwin

So here I am going into my senior year @ Westfield State College in September and I hear about this. I'm taking the CS test tomorrow's morning and with any luck will get on one of those. If not I currently will have 3 summers of experience with a PD and would apply there full time. What exactly does this new 15 week FT Academy do for me? Just go to the town I have residency and try to work my way in? I'm trying to get a handle on the next few years and this put a huge spin on things.

Posted by: Mikey682

What a joke. The SSPO academy is longer than this farce of a training school. I am absolutely SHOCKED that Boylston would be the spearhead of a concept like this. I don't know if its just penny-pinching chiefs, or if they simply don't care about the quality of training of their troops.
I sat through 25 weeks of 16 hour days, and still came out thinking I was borderline retarded for police work. How can you cram all the neccessary training into 15 weeks of 8 hour days?

Posted by: 10H

Many states, and most federal L.E. jobs require a minimum of a two years of college or military experience before you can even apply for the job. Mass. still only requires a high school diploma.

Quinn bill. This can also be about costs associated with the Quinn bill. If you eventually require two years of college before application, then you do not have to pay the Quinn bill for those police officers that are in the process of trying to accumulate two years worth of college credit.

Also, look at the academy hours for most states. Mass. is one of a very few that require 800+ hours of training. Most states require 400-600. Many federal academy's run approx. 16 weeks or a bit longer and are great training (due to the vast amounts of money the fed has to pump into FLETC and Quantico for quality training in a short amount of time). Also, academies such as NYPD, LAPD, LVMPD have excellent training that far exceeds what is offered in a state that does not pump vast amounts of money into its academy system. It's about money.

Bottom line, cut the number of training hours, save money; cut Quinn bill costs, save money.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by Mikey682

How can you cram all the neccessary training into 15 weeks of 8 hour days?

By including only necessary training.

My full-time, MCJTC academy was 13 weeks, and I felt prepared to hit the street at the end, because we didn't waste time with crap like community policing and cultural diversity.

In the end, your academy diploma is your license to be a police officer. Pretty much everything you're going to need is learned from either your FTO's, or by experience.

Posted by: extremesgs

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Originally Posted by Mikey682

What a joke. The SSPO academy is longer than this farce of a training school. I am absolutely SHOCKED that Boylston would be the spearhead of a concept like this. I don't know if its just penny-pinching chiefs, or if they simply don't care about the quality of training of their troops.
I sat through 25 weeks of 16 hour days, and still came out thinking I was borderline retarded for police work. How can you cram all the neccessary training into 15 weeks of 8 hour days?

hopefully the same way NH crams it into 13 weeks.

I've worked with MA and NH guys. I honestly found that the NH crew is more squared away.... how good a cop you make isn't totally dependant on how long your academy is, nor having a college degree for that matter.

I still feel that it all starts during the hiring process. Civil Service is a joke, and doesn't weed out the trash like a "real" hiring process does. My $0.02.

Posted by: Mikey682

But to downgrade the length of an academy becuase of a college degree? I earned a BS in Criminal Justice, and (for the most part) benefitted me in NO way during the academy. A degree is a great thing to have, but to say college classes are an adequete substitute for the law enforcement-specific law training in a police academy? According to that MPTC flyer, it does.
Granted all this banter is coming from what I read in that vague flyer on the MPTC web site. Any idea what other areas of training are being "substituted" for a college education?

Posted by: mikemac64

You mean the soup kitchen project at the MPTC in Boylston is gone? What about Jack Cole? Did any of you MCJTC/Norwood people have him?

We spent hundreds of hours on Beat Profiling, Community Profiling, Community Policing, Crime Prevention, etc. We had a total of 24 hours of Motor Vehicle Law.

We had a project where we had to go to our station and ask about problems in town and develop a strategy to solve the problem. How about we go to our stations and learn to use Pamet or Leaps!

Posted by: extremesgs

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey682

But to downgrade the length of an academy becuase of a college degree? I earned a BS in Criminal Justice, and (for the most part) benefitted me in NO way during the academy. A degree is a great thing to have, but to say college classes are an adequete substitute for the law enforcement-specific law training in a police academy? According to that MPTC flyer, it does.
Granted all this banter is coming from what I read in that vague flyer on the MPTC web site. Any idea what other areas of training are being "substituted" for a college education?

I agree completely. Whether or not they intended it, this new academy/college combination implies that a degree takes the place of some academy training, and we all know that it does not.

Best thing I got out of college that I took to the job- Math class: the formula for measuring skid marks to determine a minimum speed that a vehicle was traveling with regard to MVA's. Other than that, colloge got me a polluted liver and a large bill....

If they can cut that academy down to 15 weeks, then they should cut them all down- condense, cut out, etc.

I guess the big question is what exactly are they cutting from the 22 week version to come up with a 15 week version. Can't wait to find that out!

Posted by: FordMustang

So I have an associates degree in CJ, 20 credits shy of a BA in CJ and a Part Time/Reserve academy completed....

just hearing about this now....and I am taking the Civil Service in less than 12 hours.

mmm Florida is looking better day by day.

Posted by: JoninNH

<--- seriously looking at Florida.

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

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Originally Posted by JoninNH

<--- seriously looking at Florida.

Come on down, it's 84 degrees right now and everyone's hiring

Posted by: FordMustang

Just got done taking the civil service and they handed a paper out about this academy to every applicant.

Posted by: Motor23

I'm looking forward to seeing what the 15 week academy puts out. Hopeful there will be less down time for the student officers. I have heard some real intersting stories about the academy's now-a-days

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

If you can't learn the basic of police work in 15 weeks you should hang it up. There is no reason for a 22 week academy based on a 10th grade academic level. If you have a college degree it shows you can handle a concentrated academy. Folks, police work is not rocket science as some of may think it is. Its 22 weeks because the instructors need a cash cow! Political hacks and GEDs need not apply!

Posted by: MPDReserve

This thing is supposed to start July 30 in Boylston. According to the same website, the regular Boylston academy is scheduled to start August 27. Are they going to have 2 going on at the same time?

Also, what is the LECP exam?

Posted by: JoninNH

Its the Law Enforcement Certificate Program exam... and entrance exam for the program. I would assume it's the criminal procedure/criminal law exam.

Posted by: MPDReserve

What is the significance of that certificate towards actually working in LE? Is it just an extra amount of college style education focused on LE or something? I have heard of certificates for other parts of the field before, but not this.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

This new academy will probably last only through one class like the METRO SOUTH 1st MPOC at Weymouth in 2002. It was an experimental academy, toned down, no running together, jog with a walkman, optional PT. It only lasted for one class as they had problems with some of the graduates.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

This new academy will probably last only through one class like the METRO SOUTH 1st MPOC at Weymouth in 2002. It was an experimental academy, toned down, no running together, jog with a walkman, optional PT. It only lasted for one class as they had problems with some of the graduates.

Was that the foolish "Police Corps" dreamed-up under Bill Clinton?

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Delta this was not even Police Corps. Police Corps was hard core residential 25 week academy. This Metro SOuth was in same building as Police Corps across the stree from Weymouth MPOC. They had 3 academies running at same time. The Metro SOuth was the biggest joke ever dreamed up. Police Corps fell apart after the staff instructors were banging the female students in the booties during the night.

Posted by: BlackOps

Time to stir the shit.........

I work FT with the full time academy and a bachelor degree behind me. I have seen retards on the job both with degrees and without, part time academies and full time academies.

As for the academy? I think you could chop it down to 15 weeks even without the degree. I can remember several wasted days learning absolutely nothing at the FT academy.

Bottom line..... degree or no degree, 21 week or 15 week academy, it all comes down to a good FTO program and common sense. Some people are a fit for the job and others are not.

Posted by: soxrock75

So, does anyone have any idea of what this LECP test will be like. Obviously it will be on MGL etc. Is there a study guide of some sort? How in depth will it be if they are going to cover it in the academy???

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOps

Bottom line..... degree or no degree, 21 week or 15 week academy, it all comes down to a good FTO program and common sense. Some people are a fit for the job and others are not.

Amen

Posted by: Macop

I have spoken to some of the recruits in the curent Boylston MPOC and they have been told self sponsors are gonna make a comeback.

Posted by: soxrock75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macop

I have spoken to some of the recruits in the curent Boylston MPOC and they have been told self sponsors are gonna make a comeback.

If you go to the MPTC website, it actually has alot of info on what they are changing. Self Sponsors are going to be accepted again, regardless if they are employed by a city or town. As long as they get a Chief to "sponsor" them and all the paperwork is ok (waiver of liablity etc.) they are good to go.

www.mass.gov/mptc

Posted by: Thorpe355

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Originally Posted by soxrock75

So, does anyone have any idea of what this LECP test will be like. Obviously it will be on MGL etc. Is there a study guide of some sort? How in depth will it be if they are going to cover it in the academy???

I will hopefully be taking this test...does anyone one know anything about the test or this academy besides what was on the flyer??

Posted by: mpd61

Oh BOY!!!!!!!!!!

Just what we need! Another Academy!!! Lets see how this one works out!
Wheres the official list of "community college" programs that are approved? Boy is this going to give a lot of people false hopes...

Posted by: mpdcam

If this keeps up, every department will have their own academy. When is Mass gonna figure it out like NH and Maine have? Everyone goes to the same academy and is trained EXACTLY THE SAME! Typical Massachusetts, lets try another academy instead of overhauling the ones we already have.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

I heard NH is going to 19 weeks FT residential, up from 12 or 14 i believe.

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

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Originally Posted by mpdcam

When is Mass gonna figure it out like NH and Maine have? Everyone goes to the same academy and is trained EXACTLY THE SAME!

Most states have one curriculum for all LEO's. It eliminates alot of problems.

Posted by: jettsixx

Some one asked me if the 15 week academy for people with college degrees also included people that have done the part-time academy if they have experience and hours worked. I wasnt sure so I thought I would ask here.

Posted by: csauce777

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Originally Posted by jettsixx

Some one asked me if the 15 week academy for people with college degrees also included people that have done the part-time academy if they have experience and hours worked. I wasnt sure so I thought I would ask here.

If im reading it correctly, it is specifically for people who have obtained a Law Enforcement Certificate (new program) or associates (or higher) degree from a state community college. Makes no mention of the R/I academy.

Posted by: 209

Is anyone here going to this 15 week academy or know someone who is, if so PM me please.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by csauce777

Correct. Also if you come from another state with an academy they don't like to give waivers anymore so they'll make you take the 15 week academy.

Posted by: texdep

Quote:

Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

Correct. Also if you come from another state with an academy they don't like to give waivers anymore so they'll make you take the 15 week academy.

I don't think that they have determined that as yet!

Posted by: wpd518

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Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

The same guy that ran METTRO SOUTH is running LECP.

Good Luck................

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

LMFAO, so I guess there will only be one LECP class like the MEtro South.

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