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Posted by: kwflatbed

Idea of breed-specific measure stirs fierce debate

By Raja Mishra, Globe Staff | May 3, 2007

Lawmakers are exploring whether to push for a statewide ban on pit bulls, with some urban legislators saying Massachusetts needs to overhaul dog- control laws to reduce attacks by combative canines.
The effort is the latest attempt to rein in perhaps the most controversial breed of dog, one that has become synonymous with urban dysfunction but is beloved by thousands of pet owners.
In the past two months, pit bulls attacked Lynn police officers and mauled a 10-year-old boy in Taunton. Numerous Massachusetts towns have passed an array of local measures, with Canton legislators passing tough regulations this week limiting pit bull ownership.
Animal rights advocates and some lawmakers said they oppose banning pit bulls or any other breed, argu ing that regulations should target careless and malicious dog owners, rather than their pets.
"It so happens that pit bulls are the breed favored by those who like to raise dangerous dogs, but they're also great family pets," said Scott Giacoppo, deputy director of advocacy for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.
Lawmakers on the Joint Committee on Municipalities and Regional Government, which will hold a hearing May 14 on potential new dog-control laws, were divided yesterday on banning pit bulls statewide. But several other proposals under consideration appear to have more support: providing guidelines for cities and towns to banish troublesome dogs; mandating license requirements for certain breeds; requiring training for owners of certain breeds; fining owners of noisy dogs; and seeking stricter leash laws.
Word of a possible pit bull ban, which leaked earlier this week, has drawn considerable backlash from dog owners, veterinarians, and animal rights activists, who have flooded lawmakers with protests. At the heart of the issue is whether pit bulls -- several breeds of dog that include American pit bull terriers, American Staffordshire terriers, or Staffordshire bull terriers -- are inherently dangerous.
The dogs were first bred in 17th-century England by crossing terriers and bulldogs and were often used in dog fights because of their strength. They were brought to the United States in the 1800s by Irish immigrants coming to Boston, then subjected to further breeding that gave rise to the American versions.

Full Story: http://www.boston.com/news/local/art..._of_their_own/


Posted by: REILEYDOG

A pit bull law would be about as effective as Massachusetts' wonderful gun control laws. Every citizen of the commonwealth would finally be safe from guns and pit bulls!


Posted by: DET59

a waste of time and taxpayers dollars to put this on the books


Posted by: kttref

That is a waste of time and money. I will say again, "pitbulls" aren't always dangerous. It's the owners who don't know how to handle them that are the problem!


Posted by: DET59

amen kate, bad dogs are a result of bad owners


Posted by: SOT

Pitbulls are fighting dogs and hunting dogs. Pure and simple. to that end a law banning them would be a waste of time, who's going to enforce it? What's the threshold etc and so on?

These pitbull apologists are fooling themselves when they blame it purely on the owner. Sure there are a LOT of dumb pitbull owners, prolly most of them are very short on the IQ side of life, but at the end of the day I've seen excellent owners who've been mauled by their own "it's such a nice dog, pittbull".
You shouldn't have to "know how to handle" a god damn pet. They shouldn't have to be treated like dynamite or radioactive material.


Posted by: dcs2244

I disagree SOT. Every person who wants a dog companion needs to ascertain what kind of dog is right for them. Some people just do not have what it takes to live with a pitbull or rottweiler. I'm a rottie guy myself and I know my limitations: that's why I do not have a jack russell. They are a great dog, but they are at "warp 9" 24-7. Rotties are more laid back...but stubborn as a mule. When you say "sit" to a lab, he says "okay" and he sits. When you say "sit" to a rottie, he says "make me."

Anyway, just as some people should never have pets, certain people should never live with particular breeds...

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Posted by: BPD3352

People who own pitbulls that bite and attack people are the same people whos 14 year old kids I arrest at 3 am and know and dont care that their kids were out. It all stems from bad parenting. Pitbull or Cocker Spaniel if its brought up right its a good dog!


Posted by: JeffC

Ban them....they serve no purpose other than to kill. Im so goddam sick of selfish people who jeopardize others because they just HAVE to own a dam pitbull.


Posted by: John J

Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffC
Ban them....they serve no purpose other than to kill. Im so goddam sick of selfish people who jeopardize others because they just HAVE to own a dam pitbull.
That is the most foolish statement I have ever heard. I have owned dogs for 30 years. I have had Pits, Rotties, German Shepherds and Golden Retreivers to name a few. Pits can be one of the most loyal dogs out there. I had a pit from the time I was 9 until I was about 18. That dog would have died for me. Granted some pits that are poorly bred will have aggression issues, but for the most part as long as you spend the time and effort to properly train the dog, it will be fine.
Banning the entire breed is a door that we do not want to open. Breed Specific Legislation is the wrong way to go. First it is Pitbulls, then what? Probably rotties, dobermans, german shepherds....where will it end.
You might as well go and join those morons from PETA.


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by John J
Granted some pits that are poorly bred will have aggression issues, but for the most part as long as you spend the time and effort to properly train the dog, it will be fine.
To paraphrase SOT, dynamite can be safe when handled correctly, but I'm not going to let my kids play around dynamite.

Pit bulls were bred to fight and kill other dogs. Since dogfighting is illegal, pray tell exactly what is the purpose of owning one these days?


Posted by: JoninNH

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Posted by: screamineagle

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Originally Posted by JoninNH
To prevent mail delivery?




Posted by: REILEYDOG

Since dogfighting is illegal, pray tell exactly what is the purpose of owning one these days?[/quote]

So, everybody that owns a lab has to be a duck hunter, and everybody that owns a shepard must have a flock of sheep. Oh, and every Jack Russel owner that I know hunts fox.


Posted by: SOT

They are now crack house guard dogs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
Pit bulls were bred to fight and kill other dogs. Since dogfighting is illegal, pray tell exactly what is the purpose of owning one these days?
I think really the point is, there are certainly dual uses for certain types of dogs. But when the primary purpose of a dog was a fighting dog, and there are no dogs to fight...what is the secondary benefit of the done...probably none.
Labs, shepards, JR's all are also companion dogs and have been bread as such, to be very subservient to their masters (humans) yet do other things.
Pit's were barely controllable back int he day and bread for fighting. Not a lot of secondary benefit there.

Quote:
So, everybody that owns a lab has to be a duck hunter, and everybody that owns a shepard must have a flock of sheep. Oh, and every Jack Russel owner that I know hunts fox.



Posted by: kttref

Quote:
Originally Posted by SOT
Labs, shepards, JR's all are also companion dogs and have been bread as such, to be very subservient to their masters (humans) yet do other things.
Pit's were barely controllable back int he day and bread for fighting. Not a lot of secondary benefit there.
My God, you truly are an idiot. Have you EVER been around a pit bull? Because guess what, they are some of the most loyal dogs in the world. You are scared of them and hate them because you don't know them. Granted my pit is a mutt (She's AmStaff, Boston Terrier and we think a little lab), but she's loyal, she's a great watchdog, and she's friendly as all hell. But we have trained her and we watch her. Whenever their are children around or a new situation in general, we keep a close eye on her. So far, the only thing she has problems with are small dogs and cats. But you know what, we're ok with that. Some pit's are great with other dogs and cats...but you truly need to understand the breed and the owner before passing judgement.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dcs2244
I disagree SOT. Every person who wants a dog companion needs to ascertain what kind of dog is right for them. Some people just do not have what it takes to live with a pitbull or rottweiler. I'm a rottie guy myself and I know my limitations: that's why I do not have a jack russell. They are a great dog, but they are at "warp 9" 24-7. Rotties are more laid back...but stubborn as a mule. When you say "sit" to a lab, he says "okay" and he sits. When you say "sit" to a rottie, he says "make me."

Anyway, just as some people should never have pets, certain people should never live with particular breeds...
So well said. You probably proved my point better than I did.


Posted by: SOT

DYN-O-MITE!
As to understanding the breed, I deal with more pitbulls in a month than you will in your whole life. Your dog has problems with small dogs and cats....and at some point, if not closely guarded, she's going to have a problem with small kids and god help you for thinking you can mitigate generations of breeding by closely watching them.

The sole point is, they (and all domesticated animals) are a product of their breeding FIRST, and a product of their environment a close second. To that end (and why you can't understand this) pitbulls were bred to fight and hunt and kill animals that are much greater in size. Three to four pittbulls can easily kill a horse and they are not afraid of things that are much larger than them...not even humans.

Don't believe me, give a jingle to Dr. Dodman at Tuft's vet school he'll explain to you that certain breeds are prone to aggressiveness and that it just doesn't go away over night or in a couple generations.

Your natural love for your dog is understandable (and that may transfer to the breed), but it doesn't change the fact of the dog use, nor does your emotional approach to the dog mean that you've proven anything. So yeah I guess I'm an idiot for actually looking at the science, the breeding history, and what actual experts in the field say versus saying "I have a good doggie. Waaa Waaa Waaa You guys are mean."

Quote:
Originally Posted by kttref
My God, you truly are an idiot. Have you EVER been around a pit bull? Because guess what, they are some of the most loyal dogs in the world. You are scared of them and hate them because you don't know them. Granted my pit is a mutt (She's AmStaff, Boston Terrier and we think a little lab), but she's loyal, she's a great watchdog, and she's friendly as all hell. But we have trained her and we watch her. Whenever their are children around or a new situation in general, we keep a close eye on her. So far, the only thing she has problems with are small dogs and cats. But you know what, we're ok with that. Some pit's are great with other dogs and cats...but you truly need to understand the breed and the owner before passing judgement.



So well said. You probably proved my point better than I did.
Certainly some people shouldn't have pets, but the same people that shouldn't have pets might also be the people that think that generations of breeding can be mitigated by love and care and closely watching a pet.

The point is it's not what the pet will do when you are closely watching them that is at issue, it is what they will do when you are NOT closely watching them.

Just last week in Lanesboro, pitt bit it's owners son, kid had to go to the hospital, this is the second time in a year the dog was involved in an instance where it bit someone close to it, and last year it killed one of the other dogs it grew up with. "Ohhh it's a good dog", "It's normally so nice" yeah except for the two times it bit it's owners and sent them to the hospital or the one time it killed a companion dog.

Check out Eleanor Sonsini, how many pits there that came from "good homes" but they bit the kids or attacked their owner. Not really "bad dogs", just violent and unpredictable dogs...and that is the problem in a nutshell.


Quote:
Originally Posted by dcs2244
I disagree SOT. Every person who wants a dog companion needs to ascertain what kind of dog is right for them. Some people just do not have what it takes to live with a pitbull or rottweiler. I'm a rottie guy myself and I know my limitations: that's why I do not have a jack russell. They are a great dog, but they are at "warp 9" 24-7. Rotties are more laid back...but stubborn as a mule. When you say "sit" to a lab, he says "okay" and he sits. When you say "sit" to a rottie, he says "make me."

Anyway, just as some people should never have pets, certain people should never live with particular breeds...

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Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by REILEYDOG
So, everybody that owns a lab has to be a duck hunter, and everybody that owns a shepard must have a flock of sheep. Oh, and every Jack Russel owner that I know hunts fox.
Retrieving dead ducks, herding sheep, and barking at foxes poses no danger to humans. A bred, cultivated instinct to kill poses a great danger to humans.

Any unleashed pit bull that gets anywhere near me or my family will very quickly become a dead pit bull. I have no tolerance for people who choose to own a timebomb, and also subject me to that danger for good measure.


Posted by: mpdcam

Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffC
Ban them....they serve no purpose other than to kill. Im so goddam sick of selfish people who jeopardize others because they just HAVE to own a dam pitbull.

What a dumb statement. Ignorant people talking about things they don't know about. My pit is the best dog I have ever had.

My mother's Shitzu bit my neice in the face. He got her pretty good too. Does this mean we are going to ban them too? The public and the media lve to gang up on pits, becaue shitheads in Dorchester and Roxbury have them. How come you never hear about other breeds biting people? Not as exciting in the news, thats why!


Posted by: screamineagle

as I have stated in previous threads, I am not a fan of pits. I strongly feel that as a responsible pet owner, it is MY resposibility to control my pet AT ALL TIMES. I have a pure bred east german shepherd. THey were originally bred to patrol the berlin wall. My dog is absolutely fantastic with EVERYONE, especially children. But this does not mean that I take my eyes off him for one second when kids are around. He is very well trained, answering to both voice and hand signals. THe ONLY problem we have had with him was when someone made a quick move towards my 5 year old daughter, and they received a warning growl. No lunging, no snapping, no attack, just a "you'd better rethink what your doing near my little girl" growl. When we have company over, Tucker is by my side and under control at all times. Doesnt matter if it is my kids friends or my father visiting.

When we went to insure our home, the insurance company gave us a "bad dog" list. it was dobies, rotties, pits, german shepherds, huskies, akitas dalmatians and "terriers". Yes, Terriers. They made no distinction between the different breeds of terriers, it just stated terriers.


Posted by: kwflatbed

Survivor of mauling sticks up for pit bulls
By Colneth Smiley Jr.
Friday, May 4, 2007 - Updated: 04:39 AM EST

Samantha Gaylord survived a vicious mauling by her own pit bull, fearing the dog would kill her, before cops managed to kill it.
But even with 30 stitches, nerve damage and possible disfigurement, she is against the idea of a statewide ban now being mulled by lawmakers stunned by the viciousness of pit bull attacks.
“I don’t think this isolated incident should make it that all dogs are horrible,” said Gaylord, a Harvard student, who survived 10 minutes of a ferocious attack from her 2-year-old pit bull, Leo, in her Haverhill home Tuesday.
“I think it’s all about how your dog was raised,” said Gaylord, who speculates the attack was triggered by “a brain dysfunction or a tumor.”



Samantha Gaylord of Haverhill displays the puncture wounds and stitches in her leg where her 2-year-old pit bull, Leo, attacked her. (Staff photo by Patrick Whittemore)

She had scheduled a dog trainer to evaluate Leo after he showed signs of aggression a month ago. During that evaluation, on Tuesday, Leo attacked, ripping flesh from her side, arm and calf.


“I was in complete shock,” said Gaylord, who raised Leo from a pup and escaped the assault by fighting him off and hiding in the bathroom - in a pool of her own blood - while the trainer ran and called for help.


“My dog was no longer my dog,” she said. “He was crazed. He kept on ramming his head through the door. I thought if he got in, he would kill me.”


The attack ended when a Haverhill cop killed the dog with a shotgun blast to the head through a French door pane.


“It doesn’t matter what breed the dog is, it’s better to teach people how to be more responsible,” said Mike Citro of Baystate K-9 Training in Middleton.


Citro, a trainer and breeder for 18 years, said the proposed ban would “only add more burden to the justice system, and cause more problems for the police. It’ll be like Prohibition.”


“Banning the breed will make the problem bigger. Teach the owner to control their dog, train the dog, and make it an asset to the neighborhood, rather than a liability,” he said.


Meanwhile, Gaylord said, “I kind of blamed myself.” She’s waiting for an autopsy to reveal if Leo had any medical problems.


“I never abused him, I loved my dog. I just don’t know why he did this.”

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRe...ticleid=198493


Posted by: dcs2244

I did a quick search at ASK.com regarding dog bites: fatal and not fatal. The top three breeds for fatal dog-bites were Pitbulls, Rottweilers and German Shepards.

The statistics detailed "bites-per-breed" and did not adjust the stats for the relative size of the breeds population, i.e. number of breed specific dogs per general dog population.

If there are are more "bites-per-breed" it makes sense to ask how large the population of each breed is as a percentage of the general dog population. "Pitbulls" may have been bread for fighting...Rottweilers, as one of the original breeds were not: they were bread as cattle herders. So, too German Shepards were bread as sheep herders.

Anyway, what we need to know to discuss this topic intelligently is "bites per breed as a function of representation in the general dog population."

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Posted by: John J

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
Retrieving dead ducks, herding sheep, and barking at foxes poses no danger to humans. A bred, cultivated instinct to kill poses a great danger to humans.

Any unleashed pit bull that gets anywhere near me or my family will very quickly become a dead pit bull. I have no tolerance for people who choose to own a timebomb, and also subject me to that danger for good measure.
So you will just kill some poor dog that accidently ran out the front door and happened to walk by you? You would kill it just because it is a pit? Another group did something similar but toward humans, you might remember them they were called NAZI'S.

There are more injuries caused by lawnmowers and snowblowers each year than caused by pits. So should we ban all lawn equipment? How about cars? Motorcycles? Airplanes? ............


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by John J
So you will just kill some poor dog that accidently ran out the front door and happened to walk by you? You would kill it just because it is a pit?
Absolutely, positively, without a nanosecond of hesitation. My children aren't going to be disfigured because some selfish a-hole wants to let his hell hound run loose. I'm simply not taking that chance.

Quote:
Originally Posted by John J
Another group did something similar but toward humans, you might remember them they were called NAZI'S.
Dogs are not human.

Quote:
Originally Posted by John J
There are more injuries caused by lawnmowers and snowblowers each year than caused by pits. So should we ban all lawn equipment? How about cars? Motorcycles? Airplanes? ............
Dogs are not inanimate objects.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kwflatbed
“I think it’s all about how your dog was raised,” said Gaylord


“I never abused him, I loved my dog. I just don’t know why he did this.”
Whoops!!! There goes the old "it's how they're raised argument!


Posted by: JoninNH

I stand with Delta.


Posted by: NewEngland2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoninNH
I stand with Delta.
Concurred.


Posted by: pahapoika

have to agree with Delta784.

had a pitt bull attack my friends dog ( brittany spaniel ) and it was ugly.

can't imagine one of these things getting ahold of a small child.


Posted by: RCS

I have an american pittbull terrier, not a staffordshire which are commonly seen with your local sh#*-bag. The dog is ten years old, and runs in the opposite direction of my neighbor's yorkshire terrier. Why, because the dog was trained correctly, not deprived of attention or food, and is part of a good family, which happens to have police officers in it. (not that it matters).

There are too too many people who have these dogs, particularly the staffs, which are more aggressive, that abuse these dogs. I feel more comfortable around my dog than the average german shepard. Shepards are pretty aggressive dogs, and are popular house pets. IMO, a Shepard is just as likely to snap at someone as a pittbull or any other dog.


Posted by: dcs2244

Agreed, RCS. I've met some nice PB's. People have to realize, however, that if a dog of any breed exhibits aggressive tendencies it is a "time-bomb". One must not hesitate to "put-it-down". As much as that breaks my heart...it is better them than a child or a person (even though I like dogs better than people: people must take precedence.).


Posted by: jettsixx

Your absolutely right these dogs have no use. Oh wait whats that? Can someone please tell me the difference between this and racism. Just because statistically speaking they are bad. give me a break statistics can be manipulated to show what ever you want them to. Sorry I'm just not prejudice I cant judge something just because of its breed or race.


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Posted by: kwflatbed

I just hope all of you defenders of pits never have a family
member attacked by one.
I have had a family member attacked and it was not a pretty
sight.
My niece was scared for life from it and that was thirty
years ago so this is not something new with me.
She suffered all through school with comments from other
kids.
She had all kinds of plastic sugury to try and cover it up
but they could only do so much.
It is something that we all remember every time we see her.


Posted by: lawdog671

Pit bulls were bred to fight and kill other dogs. Since dogfighting is illegal, pray tell exactly what is the purpose of owning one these days?

All dogs are capable of biting, fighting, and killing other dogs. Should we ban all breeds? On the same token all guns can injure, maim, or kill people. Most of us on this site rail against this as RESPONSIBLE guns owners, what makes dogs different? I happen to own an American Pit Bull Terrier, as well as an English Bulldog and a mutt. All three get along famously with my 3 kids. The only problem Otis (my pit) has ever had is with the tree leaves in the front yard (he likes to jump up and get them), an occasional Kong ball, and the fact he thinks hes a 65 pound lap dog. My pit is by far and away the smartest, most loyal dog I have ever known. The breed needs lots of loving attention (as any dog should) and PLENTY of exercise. He can go 5 miles with me and then go again right away if I could. BUT...I know his breed, the ignorance people have with them, and I TAKE ALL DUE PRECAUTIONS. Not because I'm afraid of what he would do, but because of what misinformed, ignorant people would do. I wish I had a dollar for every person who loved him and thought he was the best dog until they asked and was told the breed. His ears aren't cropped so he looks like a lovable musclebound ham.
As a cop, I deal with, and have dealt with many irresponsible people, including dog owners. Having worked in the Holyoke, Springfield, and Worcester areas I see DOGS running loose all the time. Not the dogs fault, but the douchebag owners who let them do it. Dogs bite out of fear, or because they think theyre pleasing someone. All my experiences with raids, K-9 guys on my job tell me that 9 out of 10 times, pits are the dogs cowered in the corners when the flash bangs go off, crapping themselves. If they were such great biters then you would think that with their speed, intelligence and stamina they would make excellent canines for the job. I've been told they suck at it because MOST won't bite people on command.
I have been bitten by almost every breed of dog out there. I'd go on a limb and say most people don't report bites from the little dogs. I've gotten more stiches from these little ankle biters than I have in all my years playing hockey. Only time a Pit bit me was when Otis was a puppy.
Just my 10 cents.....


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by jettsixx
Can someone please tell me the difference between this and racism.
Because, you complete and total moron, dogs are NOT human beings.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lawdog671
Should we ban all breeds?
No, just those which are predisposed to unprovoked attacks on humans, which pit bulls clearly are.


Posted by: jettsixx

Ok maybe racism is the wrong word to use. But what I'm trying to figure out is if you make a judgement based solely on what something is instead of a case by case basis then are you or are you not pre judging the by being prejudiced. It is obvious that this debate could go on and on with both sides providing valid arguments. I for one believe any dog can be predisposed to attacking yet I will trust a dog before most humans. Almost every breed has had their turn as the "bad breed" right now its the Pit Bull. Delta I respect your opinion and I think we will have to agree to disagree on this issue.

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Posted by: SOT

The reason we can pass judgment on a specific breed is because of the absolute heritage of the breed. See we HUMANS have control over breeds to a large extent and HUMANS bred certain traits and characteristics into the pit.

It was generations of breeding to build the "pure pit" with the characteristics that made this happen. So from about 30 AD until the late 1800's the breed grew and changed and was bread UP to a fierce fighting dog. Used as a bait dog, used as a bear dog, used as a boar dog, use to kill bulls in packs.

Now here's the rub, since there is this thing called a "pitbull" and it has certain traits (including conformation and temperament) it's hard to isolate one from the other. So if you like the way a pit looks, you are going to end up with just under 2000 years of heritage and up breding. Now maybe in a 100 more years and the way things go a good bit of that temperament (or instinct) can be bred out, but consider that it will prolly take twice as long as the breed has beed in existence to breed out the temperament but keep the conformation.

Now this isn't to say there are not great pitbulls, my neighbor has one and she is the cutest little thing and loves everybody. She's a cross with a lab or something and is fun to play with and I like her a lot. I hope she works out for my friend and I expect that I'll play with her at least once a week.

But back to your question, since we know the traits of the breed that we have bred, we can pass judgment on that group of dogs, just like the AKC or any other group can list traits of breed...because they were bred and we know what traits were bred into the breed and considered desirable.

And no not every breed has had their turn as a bad breed, mostly its guard or hunting dogs that have had their turn as a "bad breed". I have yet to see hundreds of breeds listed as bad breeds by the general population because they rip into people and animals. When was the last time you read about a pack of wild shelties killing a horse?


Posted by: lawdog671

Ive been bit by a lot of dogs... and far and away it's ankle biters that get me the most....Im just to embarrassed to say it hurts...lol...

Now here's the rub, since there is this thing called a "pitbull" and it has certain traits (including conformation and temperament) it's hard to isolate one from the other

SOT....now in all fairness...I own an english bulldog that was also a breed used in the "bloodsports" of old england...and as he's sitting here snoring and farting I can say that I would be kinda hard pressed to hold his "heritage" against him.....lol


Posted by: Foxy85

I think its just an eveil rumor that the media conjured up to get people to hate pitbulls....

They're not even attractive dogs, and when was the the last time you heard of a Chocolate lab mauling a kids face off.....numbers don't lie....

Grantid there is the exception of a "good" pitbull, but when you're trying to justify a breed by saying that there are exceptions, then yoe already lost the arguement...

just sterolize all kown pitbulls, and you eliminate your problem.....

I for one have been the owner of two Dauschunds, and they are great pets. Loyal, smart, friendly....and don't maul kids faces off.....That was the selling point for me....

I'll take my Weiner, and any other breed for that matter, over a hell hound....

On a side note...what was the name of that 3 headed dog that gaurded the river Styx.....I'm pretty sure it was a pitbull(hell hound).....


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by Foxy85
I for one have been the owner of two Dauschunds, and they are great pets. Loyal, smart, friendly....and don't maul kids faces off.....That was the selling point for me....
My kids will be getting a Basset Hound for the same reason.


Posted by: JoninNH

I'm buying a black lab.


Posted by: dcs2244

Quote:
Originally Posted by Foxy85
On a side note...what was the name of that 3 headed dog that gaurded the river Styx.....I'm pretty sure it was a pitbull(hell hound).....
Cerberus guarded the "gate" to the underworld, not the river...


Posted by: pahapoika

did anyone see that special ( on PBS i think ) about dogs and breeding ?

seems most terriers are breed to be aggressive . even the little jack russell

farmers would use them to kill rats in the barn. showed them in action and they were vicious little shits !

course it would be silly to be afraid of a jack russell terrier , but i bet they would do a job on your ankle


Posted by: JenL82

If this ban goes through theres going to be a lot of "Lab mixes" running around.

Personally I think its bs. For one is based on the owner, you get Joe thug, that doesnt socialize his pit, throws heavy chains around the dogs neck, and makes him fight. You're going to get an aggresive dog. As for these good owners that get a dog that mauls them. It happens to other breeds as well. You dont hear about it though because who cares if fluffy the poodle bit the skin of the owners ankle. Not life threating. Of course a pit bulls bites are going to be more serious.

Ive seen plenty of friendly pit bulls. Hardly enough "bad ones" to ban an entire breed.

If it goes through..I know I wont be enforcing it. "Ma'am thats a lab mix isnt it???"


Posted by: NewEngland2007

Chinese Crested. Yes.


Posted by: lawdog671

Teufelhunden = DEVILDOG.....semper fi

They're not even attractive dogs, and when was the the last time you heard of a Chocolate lab mauling a kids face off.....numbers don't lie....
Count the number in existence versus the number of bites.....probably occurs less than you think.
Grantid there is the exception of a "good" pitbull, but when you're trying to justify a breed by saying that there are exceptions, then yoe already lost the arguement...
Well lets ban all the dogs on the bad doggy insurance list then since we're making panicky statements...so bye bye to the german shepards, rotties and other dogs someone deemed dangerous....I mean they must have done something bad to get on that list right? We'll be a country full of ankle biting dogs....
Oh and for all you who hate these dogs so much..and think they're terrible to kids...remember Petey from Little Rascals?...American Pit Bull.....and WWII when Germany was represented by the hot dog with the spiked helmet? Dog for the US was a pitbull again....just food for thought...


Posted by: Foxy85

I got it all wrong.....heres the truth about evil dogs...

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/305739...easer_trailer/


Posted by: JoninNH




Posted by: kwflatbed

Plethora of pit bull attacks leads officials to consider outlawing breed in Bay State

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BOSTON -- Local lawmakers are considering a state-wide ban on pit bulls after a series of attacks against children.

The most recent incident involved a 7-year-old boy from Dorchester, who was attacked in the arm on his way to play baseball.

In March, a 14-year-old boy from Medford was bitten by a pit bull that was not on a leash.

Word of a pit bull ban has drawn criticism from veterinarians, pet owners and animal rights activists.

Many cities around Massachusetts, including Boston, have regulations regarding pit bulls, including rules about wearing muzzles.

However, no state across the country has banned the breed entirely.

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO52134/


Posted by: kwflatbed


Dog trainer Ken Buzzell made his support for pit bulls clear. (David L. Ryan/ Globe Staff) Mass. show of support for pit bulls

Specialists put burden on breeders, owners

By Lisa Wangsness, Globe Staff | May 15, 2007

Pit bull supporters vastly outnumbered opponents at a State House hearing yesterday on whether the Legislature should consider a statewide ban on the breed.

About 150 dog owners, trainers, and animal advocates, many sporting T-shirts and jackets emblazoned with images of pit bulls, made for a sometimes raucous crowd, grousing at what they saw as antagonistic questioning from members of the committee considering the ban after a series of highly publicized attacks on children and others.
Most of the veterinarians and animal behavior specialists who testified said a pit bull ban would not protect people from attacks. Instead of focusing on the breed, they said, the state should hold breeders and owners more accountable for vicious dogs.
Dr. Nicholas H. Dodman, director of the animal behavior clinic at Tufts University's Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine, also said that pit bulls were difficult to identify and therefore difficult for a law to target and that other big, strong dogs can be as dangerous as pit bulls if improperly cared for or bred.
"I think breed-specific legislation is odious," he said. "It's fraught with all kinds of problems."
No legislation banning pit bulls has been filed, but Representative Vincent A. Pedone, House chairman of the Joint Committee on Municipalities and Regional Government, has expressed interest in the idea and scheduled the hearing to explore ways to control vicious dogs.


Full Story: http://www.boston.com/news/local/art...for_pit_bulls/


Posted by: Barbrady

For no particular reason, I don't care for pits either. Although I wouldn't trust any strange dog around my youngins. Banning the whole breed is a bit much but I have no problem with destroying the ones that are aggressive.


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbrady
Banning the whole breed is a bit much but I have no problem with destroying the ones that are aggressive.
That's just it....many times no one knows until it's too late.


Posted by: Nachtwächter

When I bought my house I was told by the insurance company I can get a pit bull or a German shepherd, but whatever I do don't get a trampoline. This pit bull thing is just a distraction to deter attention away from the real danger trampolines.


Posted by: Inspector

The uncle of a little girl killed by a pit bull in England has been jailed for owning a dangerous animal.The uncle of the five-year-old girl who was killed by a pit bull terrier has been jailed for eight weeks for owning the illegal dog.

Kiel Simpson, 24, pleaded guilty to owning a dog banned under the 1991 Dangerous Dogs Act at a previous hearing at Liverpool Magistrates' Court.

Ellie Lawrenson was mauled to death by the one-year-old American pit bull terrier while at her grandmother's house in St Helens, Merseyside, in the early hours of New Year's Day.


Posted by: SOT

I don't need the state to decide if I should have guns or not, I don't think they should be into banning dogs.

Generally I think pittbulls are the worst of "pet choices" there are but banning them is dumb, just like banning a bayonet lug is dumb.


Posted by: RCPD33

It all depends on the owner. I have a friend and know his brother through him. Each one lives seperately and each one owns a pitbull. One is a complete shithead who encourages his dog to be aggressive and tries to play the thug. The other raised his to be the sweetest family dog and one of the best I've ever met and would trust 100% at anytime. He had one before this who was just as great, but sadly was hit by a car and put down. My wife's aunt also has a pitbull that is another sweet super dog that I trust completely. Both of the nice pitbulls happen to be females, whether that has any bearing on anything. It's the piece of shit thugs that think they're so freaking cool with a nasty acting, aggressive pitbull at their side that is ruining things for the regular joe who loves and cares for their dogs dearly. How do you enforce anything as far as owners go until it is too late? I don't think a statewide ban is the answer. What would happen to all the dogs already here? Are they grandfathered in or are they forced to leave? Where would they go? Would there have to be a massive euthinization? Would they all be shipped to another state? How the hell would you do it?


Posted by: SOT

Again it doesn't all depend on the owner.
The owner is not the breed nor the years of "eugenics" to develop the breed.
A good owner can discourage inbred behavior, but will never be able to fully nullify or mitigate it. The problem is the aggressive. behavior of the pits is just too close to their nature and breed.
Just saying


Posted by: jettsixx

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
My kids will be getting a Basset Hound for the same reason.
Good luck with the basset hound. I dont think they have teeth, you and your children should be safe. I'm sure a basset has never bit anyone and not possible for a bite from one to leave a scar or anything.


Posted by: Inspector

A two-year-old boy is fighting for his life Friday after he was mauled by the family pit bull. The toddler was attacked at his Hesperia home on Avenue A Thursday shortly before 4 p.m. The family bought the male pit bull about a month ago and planned to breed it with a female that has been apart of the family for a little over two months. Both pit bulls are suspect in the attack.
Somehow the two-year-old was confronted by the male pit bull.
Police were called to the house where they found the two pit bulls, which they believe were involved in the incident.
Sgt. Ernie Kopasz, Hesperia Police Department: "Both dogs had blood on them. We're not sure if the female was actually involved in the attack or post-attack. We believe that she was, but we're not able to determine based on the evidence that we have at this time."
Doctors say that the injuries to the boy's neck, head, and face may be life threatening.
Sgt. Ernie Kopasz, Hesperia Police Department: "He has a crushed left orbital around his left eye. He has several jaw fractures, and he has numerous deep bite wounds from this neck up. There's no trauma to him from below the neck. A two-year-old child has a minimal immune system and they were concerned of the trauma from the dog bites coupled with the infection, possible infection that could occur."
The boy's parents first took him to a local hospital. He was then transferred to Loma Linda Medical Center where he is now being cared for.

In the meantime, a bit farther up the coast in today's news,

A Petaluma woman suffered major injuries to her arm Thursday night when she was attacked by a pit bull that had attacked her once before.

Isabel Pollium was visiting the dog's owner, Natasha Haltom, when the attack occurred, Petaluma Animal Services Manager Nancee Tavares said.

The incident happened in the 100 block of Graylawn Avenue, Jeff Charter, senior animal control officer, said. The male pit bull attacked Pollium when the telephone rang and Pollium called out to Haltom, he said.

Haltom pulled the dog off Pollium and Hollium retreated to a bathroom, Charter said. The dog then crashed through the bathroom door and severely bit Pollium in the right arm, Charter said.

The Petaluma Fire Department responded to the incident at 11:27 p.m. Pollium was taken to Santa Rosa Memorial Hospital and admitted. The dog was taken to the Petaluma Animal Control Services' shelter for a mandatory 10-day rabies quarantine, Tavares said.

The five-year-old dog can be euthanized immediately if it has rabies, Tavares said.

"Although he is padlocked in a chain link kennel, this dog presents a danger to staff." she said.

Charter said the dog was declared dangerous after it bit Pollium on the leg at the same house in December 2005.


Posted by: jettsixx

September 21, 2001
LOS ANGELES (AP) - A small Pomeranian dog killed a 6-week-old baby while the infant's caretaker briefly left the child unattended to warm a bottle of milk, authorities said.
The relative, who was caring for the infant girl, found her head buried in the dog's mouth Saturday night, sheriff's Deputy Cruz Solis said. The girl died of head trauma at an area hospital, he said.
The baby's name was withheld because her parents were out of the country and had not been notified, Solis said.
The relative has not been charged. Animal control officers took the dog.
Pomeranians are a breed of miniature canines that have a foxlike face, pointy ears and long, fluffy hair. The deputy said Pomeranian attacks are rare.
``Obviously it doesn't take much to kill a 6-week old baby but it's not something that happens with that breed,'' Solis said.


Anyone ever hear about this? Probably not because it wasnt one of those savage Pitbuls. Point is the no child should be left unattended with ANY dog.


Posted by: kwflatbed

"Anyone ever hear about this?"

A six year old article:
September 21, 2001


Posted by: jettsixx

I know its an old article. Just tired of everytime a dog attacks someone most people atomatically assume Pit. Just saying it does happen with other breeds you wouldnt expect. Point is that people need to remember Dogs are not people they have different ideas of what is and is not acceptable for instance when we like a dog we may give it a hug. To a dog this is not a sign of affection its a sign of dominance and not all dogs are ok with that. I am not saying that a Pit attack is not devastating or doesnt happen I am just saying that any dog can cause damage or death.


Posted by: Fozzy

Who are the psychics who are going to enforce this law? Most people couldn't identify a pit for a million bucks. There are something like 25 different combinations of breeds to make up a "pit bull."

Pits are a mix of various terriers and bulldogs. Working dogs. They need something to do.

Do a search on "Eddie" (Moose) the Jack Russell Terrier from the TV Show "Fraser." You'll learn that "Eddie" was about to be put down as vicious. He was adopted, trained and given a mission in life. They are a working breed and need something to do. They absorb training like a sponge. All Moose needed was an owner and trainer who understood that.

Any dog is capable of turning on anyone. A dog is an animal and as such we will never understand what the dog is thinking. Period. Educated guess?- Maybe. Knowing what the dog is thinking?- Never. The fancy word is 'anthropomorphic fallacy.' Dolphins aren't really smiling- That's how their mouth and jaw is shaped. Don't think that you know what Fido has on his mind.

Banning the breed is a waste of time, money and what little legislative brain-power we have remaining around here.


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by jettsixx
I am not saying that a Pit attack is not devastating or doesnt happen I am just saying that any dog can cause damage or death.
A friggin Pomeranian???? You're beyond grasping at straws.

BTW....where exactly is "Cetral Mass"?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fozzy
Do a search on "Eddie" (Moose) the Jack Russell Terrier from the TV Show "Fraser." You'll learn that "Eddie" was about to be put down as vicious.
Good Lord, you people never give up. I could drop-kick a Jack Russell Terrorist across the room with minimal effort.

You're comparing apples to moonrocks.


Posted by: Fozzy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
Good Lord, you people never give up. I could drop-kick a Jack Russell Terrorist across the room with minimal effort.

You're comparing apples to moonrocks.
OK, lemme use smaller words. A pit is a terrier cross. A terrier is a working dog. Moose/Eddie was a well known terrier- A terrier that was going to be put down for viciousness. It's a behavioral issue and not a size issue.

I can't compare apples to moonrocks... You appear to have smoked all the moonrocks...


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fozzy
It's a behavioral issue and not a size issue.
15-pound dogs with behavioral problems are a nuisance. 80-pound dogs bred over the years to kill other dogs that have behavioral problems are deadly.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fozzy
I can't compare apples to moonrocks... You appear to have smoked all the moonrocks.
Drink some more of the pitbull Kool-Aid, and pray your timebomb never goes off.


Posted by: jettsixx

Dogs bred to kill other dogs. How does that make them human aggressive and if you are going to say that that is the first step then you are more naive than i thought. I realize that no matter how many facts you are presented with you will never change you mind and you are entitled to you opionion. So just hurry up with your insulting response and get it over with.


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by jettsixx
Dogs bred to kill other dogs. How does that make them human aggressive and if you are going to say that that is the first step then you are more naive than i thought. I realize that no matter how many facts you are presented with you will never change you mind and you are entitled to you opionion. So just hurry up with your insulting response and get it over with.
Have you ever seen the result of a pitbull attack on a child? As in, actually seen it?

I have. And guess what the clueless owner said?

"He's never been aggressive before!!!"

Go Google "pit bull attack".....you get 56,000 hits. "Pitbull attack" yields another 39,000.

Then Google "german shepherd attack" and see what you get;

284 hits.

"Rottweiler attack"

757 hits.

"Jack russell terrier attack"

8 hits.


Posted by: dcs2244

You're right, Jet6. People need to stop anthropomorphizing dogs, cats and other animals and realize that they are ANIMALS.

As I said earlier, some people should not live with certain brands of dogs. So too, some people should not be allowed to have children: case in point, Inspector's sample family in the first paragraph of his post.

Delta, I think your numbers may be disingenuous...not consciously on your part, but by the people who publish such stats. A dog like a pit is going to do more damage than a shepard or rottie. The rottie will do more damage than a shepard. The pit is a fighter, the rottie is a cattle herder and the shepard is a sheep herder. Too, the rottie is also a draft animal. The dogs that are capable of producing more damage per attack are going to make the news. It doesn't necessarily follow that pits bite more than rotties bite more than shepards...more damage means more news stories: "...if it bleeds, it leads..."


Posted by: Foxy85

Dear god man is that really necessary....

Someone pass the dictionary, I need to update my vocabulary a bit....


Posted by: justanotherparatrooper

but DCS....isnt that Delta's point ?THAT THEY DO PRODUCE SO MUCH DAMAGE. I agree with you about some people should not be allowed to reproduce.


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by justanotherparatrooper
but DCS....isnt that Delta's point ?THAT THEY DO PRODUCE SO MUCH DAMAGE.
Exactly.....that and how unpredictable they are.


Posted by: dcs2244

Sorry, guys, my point was: how the population ("n") of 'bites-per-dog-breed" was determined. Was it skewed because of the perception of the breed, regardless of the severity of the bite? Were other breeds "bites" under-reported because of the severity of the bite and perception of the breed in question? ALL bites should be counted, regardless of breed and not just because the breed has a bayonet lug, flash suppressor or just looks scary...or because it accelerates from zero to sixty in 4.6 seconds.

When I was a kid, the two biggest "bite" breeds were: 1. Dalmatians, and 2. Saint Bernards. Airedales were the preferred "police" dog.

Foxy85: "disingenuous" is a commonly used word and should be part of your vocabulary, as should "paradigm" and "dialectic"....
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Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by dcs2244
Sorry, guys, my point was: how the population ("n") of 'bites-per-dog-breed" was determined. Was it skewed because of the perception of the breed, regardless of the severity of the bite? Were other breeds "bites" under-reported because of the severity of the bite and perception of the breed in question? ALL bites should be counted, regardless of breed and not just because the breed has a bayonet lug, flash suppressor or just looks scary...or because it accelerates from zero to sixty in 4.6 seconds.
I don't think it's possible to skew things as lopsided as 95,000 to <1000.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dcs2244
When I was a kid, the two biggest "bite" breeds were: 1. Dalmatians, and 2. Saint Bernards.
I was badly bitten by a Dalmatian when I was a kid, 15 stitches in my left leg that left a barely noticeable scar. If it were a pitbull, I would probably have needed reconstructive surgery, which is one of my points.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dcs2244
Airedales were the preferred "police" dog.
I had an Airedale growing up.....AWESOME dogs!!!


Posted by: justanotherparatrooper

I understand what your saying DCS and Im sure alot of people get bit by toy dogs, labs, dalmations etc. Im also pretty sure that alot of those bites are treated at home and are thought to be minor.I just havent seen or heard about many 'minor' bites by pitbulls.I also agree alot of the problem is the owner.Ive seen some shitty attitudes by some of the people that own pitbulls.The ones Ive seen tend to get the dog because of its rep and encourage its negative behavior....


Posted by: dcs2244

Quote:
Originally Posted by justanotherparatrooper
I understand what your saying DCS and Im sure alot of people get bit by toy dogs, labs, dalmations etc. Im also pretty sure that alot of those bites are treated at home and are thought to be minor.I just havent seen or heard about many 'minor' bites by pitbulls.I also agree alot of the problem is the owner.Ive seen some shitty attitudes by some of the people that own pitbulls.The ones Ive seen tend to get the dog because of its rep and encourage its negative behavior....
Me, too, JAP: but that's usually in the "big city", not out here in the sticks. Like someone pointed out here, "Petey" was a pit...and I believe Buster Brown's dog, Tighe, was too. The breed was quite popular back in the twenties and thirties.

It's the scumbags who have ruined the animals reputation today. We need to address them, not "ban" the breed (though we do need to correct the warped eugenics of recent years...pit and human ).

Delta, Airedales are great...I considered the breed previous to rescuing Kane, the seven year old rottie: I will wait for retirement so I can raise one from a pup...I think they are awesome!
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Posted by: kwflatbed

Fla. officer shoots 2 pit bulls during attack

BY BREANNE GILPATRICK
The Associated Press

LAUDERHILL, Fla. — A Lauderhill police officer shot two pit bulls, killing one, after the dogs attacked him and a Broward animal control officer this morning, authorities said.
The officers were investigating an animal cruelty complaint in the 3700 block of NW 1st Court shortly before 11 a.m. when the two dogs charged at them through an open fence, pinning the police officer against his car, according to the Lauderhill Police Department.
The officer then shot at each dog, killing one and sending the other to an animal hospital in Hollywood, said Lt. Mike Cochran, a Lauderhill police spokesman.
''As soon as he got out of the car, the dogs attacked,'' he said. ``Out of fear for himself and the poor animal control guy, he shot the dogs.''
Both the Lauderhill police officer and the animal control officer were ''understandably shaken'' but unhurt, Cochran said.
The dogs were unleashed and each weighed between 85 and 90 pounds, according to police.
Broward County Animal Control and Lauderhill Police are investigating the incident.
Police want to know if the dogs' owner violated a city law requiring the animals to be kept on a leash, Cochran said.

Wire services


Posted by: adnil

I would just like to say that I have a pit bull living in my home for the last 5 years. I also have a cocker spaniel that has been here for the last 2 years, an 18 yr old cat and a 6 yr old cat that thinks she is a dog. I would never be arrogant enough to say that my dog would never bite someone because that would just be foolish on my part but.. My pit pull sits in my 78 year old mothers lap and licks her face as long as she will allow him to. My 78 year old mother will not go near the cocker spaniel because she is afraid of it. My pit bull sleeps under the covers at the bottom of the bed and took the best care of my fifteen year old 1/2 lab 1/2 sharpei right up until the day he died in January of this year. I always try to be very mindful when my pit bull is outside. He is either on a leash with me or on his chain where I can see him out the window. He is very content to just lay out in the sun. In the five years he has lived with me he has escaped 2 times. I get very nervous when he does not because of what he will do but because of what people will do to him. I have low income housing down the street from me and one of my biggest fears is that if he does run, someone will take him and try to make him what he is not. The first time he got out my son and I were out looking for him and I asked a neighbor up the street if he had seen him. He asked if it was the pretty brown dog that just ran up the street. He thought he was pretty until he asked what kind of dog he was. As soon as I said "pit bull" he ran in the house and called the dog officer. The dog was home before the dog officer showed up but still was given a "speeding" ticket.The last time my dog went for a run on his own - 1 year ago - he came back about 1/2 hour later. As soon as he was back in the house I walked around the neighborhood I live in to make sure he had bothered no one. There were kids out and they said they had seen him run by and one older woman that was out in her yard with her golden retriever. I asked her if she had seen my dog and if he had bothered her or her dog. "Yes I saw him. He came up to my dog, washed her face and went about his business." That's what he used to do every day for Bubba.
It is true that a bite from a pit bull or a rotweiller is definitely worse than a bite from a smaller dog - cocker spaniels have been so overbred because they were the "popular" dogs of the 40's and 50's that there are more aggressive cockers than nonaggressive cockers - but to ban the breed is just another case of hysteria. I pay 3 times the amount every year on my house insurance as I would if I didn't have the pit bull in my home because he is on the bad dog list but he is 6 yrs old now and he has never bitten anyone. The cocker on the other hand - who is not on the bad dog list- has snapped at my son numerous times, the man across the street and an LT in the State Police that was visiting.
I've read all the comments on this thread and everyone has a right to their fears and opinions but what I seem to notice the most prevelant in all comments you read anywhere about these animals is the bad. You never hear the stories about the good sides of these animals. Yes, I agree that you must be diligent if you own one of these particular breeds but to waste taxpayer money to make a law so that you can not have a particular breed of dog is ludicrous in my opinion. If they are a bad dog - put them down. Politicians and lobbyists need to spend their time making laws to stop the pedophiles, rapists, drunk drivers, abusers and murderers that are arrested by our law enforcement that get to the court system and for one reason or another get released after either doing no time or minimal time. They ARE humans and should know better !


Posted by: SOT

The reason you don't hear about the "good side" of these animals is because what little good side there is is OVERWHELMED by all the bad stuff the breed is known for and continues to do, yes in part to their owners, and those that continue to breed the worst traits into the animal.

Short version: For every nice pitbull who loves babies and won't eat them...there's prolly ten being bred right now to be more aggressive.
The fact that started out as hunting dogs that were fearless and have now been co-opted by renecks and inner city scum alike means you've got a lot of work to do to fix the breed (like dozens of generations) back to something that only kills bulls. Then you've got to convince the breed that since there are no bulls around to fight and kill, horses, other dogs, babies, children, owners, postal employees, police, are NOT acceptable analogs or proxies.


Posted by: BB-59

I do not have a Pit Bull but I have delt with enough who have been excellent dogs. Are they being bred poorly and abused to be aggressive? Yes. But instead of banning the breed punish the owners.

I have a German Shephard 100 pounds of spoiled baby. Loves kids and playing ball, but god help the person or animal that is sending out bad vibes. And you know what, that is his job to protect his family and because of that character trait this breed is termed an "aggressive breed".

This pretty much the same argument banning certain guns. Instead of banning the gun or dog punnish the PERSON.


Posted by: kwflatbed

Dogs on the attack race into elementary school


FALMOUTH, Mass. -- A pair of rottweilers terrorized an East Falmouth school on Thursday, leaving several victims injured.
Three, 9-year-old students -- two boys and a girl -- as well as a teacher's aide were taken to the hospital after being bitten at Teaticket Elementary School by the four-legged predators on their backs, arms and shoulders.

All the victims are said to be in stable condition.

After reportedly getting free from their fenced-in home, the dogs first attacked on the school playground before racing inside the school. Students subsequently were forced to stay inside their classrooms with the doors closed until Animal Control officers caught the canines.

The pair was taken to a local pound, along with another dog that was found at the animals' residence.

Classes at the school did remain in session for the remainder of the day.

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO53123/


Posted by: redsox03

I have a pit bull and he is the most loyal and friendly dog I've ever owned, best dog I've had by far. The media loves getting pit bull stories. If a poodle bite someone do you think you would see it on the news? A pit bull could bite someone in California and it would be all over the news here. I firmly feel that it is all in how they are raised.


Posted by: SOT

Then fine sir, or madam you are in denial. It is not only how they are raised now it is the purpose and the line breeding that makes them what they are.


Posted by: redsox03

If you say so buddy. How come my dog hasn't attacked me yet? Hmmmm, because my dog wouldn't hurt a fly. He dont even bark at other dogs, pretty vicious huh? I think you watch to much news. Like I siad the media has a field day with these animals.


Posted by: kwflatbed

Chicago officer shoots colleague during pit bull run-in

By Mark Shuman
Special to the Chicago Tribune

ELGIN, Ill. — An Elgin policeman accidentally shot another Elgin policeman in the leg this afternoon as the two were trying to serve an arrest warrant at an apartment where the only resident at the time was a pit bull.
The wounded officer was taken to an area hospital with non-life-threatening injuries, police said. The pit bull was shot and killed.
"He's the nicest dog in the world. He never attacked anyone, and they shot him," said a tearful Kevin Strauss, 23, of Huntley, whose friend owned the 4-year-old male dog, Sugar.
Strauss said at 11:45 a.m. he left his friend's apartment in the 1100 block of Fairwood Drive for his job as a bricklayer. He received a phone call and returned about 35 minutes later to find police had sealed off the apartment. That's when he learned the dog had been shot.
The two officers had gone to the apartment shortly before noon, said Elgin Police Officer Tamara Welter. It was not immediately clear how the officers entered the apartment, or how they encountered the dog.
At some point, one of them shot the pit bull, and one of them apparently shot the other by accident.
It was unknown who was named in the arrest warrant or the nature of the alleged crime, although Welter said the warrant was for a man.

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Posted by: Barbrady

A pit named Sugar


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by BB-59
This pretty much the same argument banning certain guns.
You're comparing cupcakes to hand grenades. Guns are inanimate objects, that will lie undisturbed for centuries. It takes the deliberate actions of a human for ANY gun to harm someone.

Don't believe me? Take a look at the "Gun Cam";

http://www.roughwheelers.com/montego/gun_cam.html

Quote:
Originally Posted by BB-59
Instead of banning the gun or dog punnish the PERSON.
So after my child is killed or disfigured, the pitbull owner will be punished? You'll excuse me if I'm less than impressed.


Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Don't believe me? Take a look at the "Gun Cam";

http://www.roughwheelers.com/montego/gun_cam.html


BAAAAAA HAAAAAA!!!!!!


Posted by: SOT

Read the thread...I deal with more pitbulls in one week then you will own in a lifetime. You CAN NOT breed out in one generation or 10 what has been bred in by 100's of generations. It's just not possible, that's all.

As for an individual dog? Sure there are some that are fine, nice animals...doesn't change their heritage, and doesn't change the gut instinct when push comes to shove.


Quote:
Originally Posted by redsox03
If you say so buddy. How come my dog hasn't attacked me yet? Hmmmm, because my dog wouldn't hurt a fly. He dont even bark at other dogs, pretty vicious huh? I think you watch to much news. Like I siad the media has a field day with these animals.



Posted by: FedLawMan4525

"Sir, drop the dog and put your hands in the air!"

Don't regulate the dogs, regulate the owners


Posted by: BlackOps

I was at the ER yesterday when I saw a kid come in with severe arm injuries. I talked to the kid's parents and was told how the wonderful four year old family pit just "went nuts" and almost tore this kids arm off.

On the other hand I remember a dog in my neighborhood growing up. It was a yellow lab and had a great temperament. I also remember the day that dog went nuts and attacked a couple people.

Dogs are animals, plain and simple. Hell, I saw a god damn squirrel attack a woman once! Animals, like humans, are sometimes unpredictable and have the capability to go off any time.

I own two hunting labs that are very well mannered. I still watch them around people and always keep my eye on them to make sure they are staying in line. They have never attacked anyone but I can't say for sure that they never would...... you just can't know.


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackOps
family pit
Two words that should NEVER go together.


Posted by: Barbrady

Pit bull attacks five year old caught on tape:

http://www.wtqr.com/cc-common/news/v...nt=3&redir=yes


Posted by: KJack815

A law on the books would be great to ban these things, but it probably is a waste of time/money, it wouldn't solve the problem. I was watching on ESPN about the apparent "subculture" or dog breeding/fighting in the South in regards to Mike Vick's alleged charges. I don't know anything about dog fighting in MA, but these things are bred fighters/killers in other parts of the country, so it should not be a suprise when the docile "family pet" suddenly snaps and attacks a child


Posted by: Barbrady

Animal fighting is pretty big in NC and VA, especially cock fighting. These rednecks "raise chickens" simply to fight and gamble. Ironically, I was recently offered a seminar about this subject matter: basics, statutes, how to prepare a case, etc.


Posted by: kwflatbed

Iowa police horse injured by pit bull

The Associated Press


WATERLOO, Iowa — A pit bull terrier is dead after attacking three Waterloo, Iowa, police horse patrol officers in a residential area May 29.
The unleashed and unfenced dog attacked both the officers and their horses yesterday. Police say the dog bit a horse named "Rocky" several times, causing several injuries. Rocky threw his rider to the ground. The unidentified officer had minor injuries from the fall.
Other officers who came say they had no choice but to shoot the dog with a firearm to capture it. An animal control unit took the dog in for treatment, but it later died from injuries.
Police are continuing their investigation.

Wire services


Posted by: kttref

I went running on new trails yesterday and came across 10 dogs.

4 German Shepherds, they didn't look twice at me.

1 Great Dane, it sniffed me a lot, but that was it.

2 Rhodesian Ridgebacks, the most mild manner dog I've ever met - I was surprised actually I thought they were terrible family pets. But the woman I was talking to said they're the best dogs she's ever had. She said she got them from a breeder who specifically breeds them to be large (size wise) and sweet (as she put it "push-overs")

1 Mutt (not sure of the mix - looked labish), just looked at me

and

2 Jack Russel Terriers, who I almost kicked. These dogs would not listen to their owner. They were jumping all over me and nipping at me. One finally bit (but did not break the skin) my leg. But it took almost 2 minutes to get these dogs back under control. The owner did not apologize or even say anything to me. After I ran off (royally pissed) the dogs started chasing me again...but I'm faster.




Regardless, it comes back to the owners (and how they were bred). My run yesterday truly pointed out to me that breeding and owners make all the difference. Now, my amstaff is a mix (with a boston terrier and lab - we think, no one really knows)...and we don't know how she was bred or where she was bred (pound pup) but she's great. Say what you want, but I am very cautious with my dog around other dogs and children...but around us, she's a sweetheart.


Posted by: SOT

One more time...it;s breeding FIRST, then owners a distant second. It's how they are bread then the owners...same for every other dog type in the world.

Thousands of years of breeding, v. one pup with one owner...hmmm which would be more dominant? Take a guess.


Posted by: REILEYDOG

[quote=kwflatbed]Iowa police horse injured by pit bull

The Associated Press

Quote:
WATERLOO, Iowa — A pit bull terrier is dead after attacking three Waterloo, Iowa, police horse patrol officers in a residential area May 29.
The unleashed and unfenced dog attacked both the officers and their horses yesterday. Police say the dog bit a horse named "Rocky" several times, causing several injuries. Rocky threw his rider to the ground. The unidentified officer had minor injuries from the fall.
Other officers who came say they had no choice but to shoot the dog with a firearm to capture it. An animal control unit took the dog in for treatment, but it later died from injuries.
Police are continuing their investigation.
Wire services[/quote

I bet the horses started it!


Posted by: Delta784

Court to reconsider dog mauling verdict

By PAUL ELIAS, Associated Press Writer Thu May 31, 11:27 PM ET



SAN FRANCISCO - A woman whose dogs fatally mauled a neighbor could get more prison time, after the California Supreme Court on Thursday ordered a trial judge to consider convicting her of second-degree murder rather than involuntary manslaughter........

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070601/...al_dog_mauling

About time someone got it right.


Posted by: kwflatbed

Dangerous dog euthanized: Selectmen vote to put down Malamute that attacked animal control officer

By RYAN MENARD
The Patriot Ledger
MARSHFIELD - The dog who bit Marshfield Animal Control Officer Norma Haskins this spring has been euthanized.

Tonka, a 6-year-old Alaskan Malamute, was euthanized Tuesday after his owner, Dorothy Steele of 10 Old Beach Rd., lost an appeal to save the dog’s life.

The dog was euthanized at a Hanover veterinary clinic after selectmen declared it too aggressive and violent to live in the community, Selectman Michael Maresco said.

‘‘Tonka was a ticking bomb,’’ Maresco said. ‘‘He had already attacked once. If that was a child, the child would be dead.’’ Steele could not be reached Friday for comment.

Tonka, also known as Tank for his stature, attacked Haskins, 64, on March 19 as she was trying to lift the 160-pound dog into her truck. The bite, which tore the skin of her scalp away from the bone, caused a 10-inch laceration on the top of her head and required about 100 stitches. Haskins said it was the worst bite she had suffered in three decades of animal control.

The announcement of the selectmen’s decision at their May 14 meeting sparked outrage among family, friends and dog lovers, who claimed the dog was normally gentle and Haskins ignored protocol in trying to lift too heavy a dog, unprotected, after it was agitated in a fight.

A petition with hundreds of signatures was presented to selectmen at the meeting, and letters to the editor protesting the decision were published in The Patriot Ledger.

Steele has argued that witnesses saw Haskins drop the dog several times while trying to put it in her truck’s cab, instead of using tools or a ramp.

Maresco said any claims that Haskins ignored protocol are unfounded. ‘‘That’s a bogus story,’’ he said. ‘‘Norma Haskins is a highly regarded animal control officer. She knows all the procedures inside and out.’’

The dog had escaped the Steele residence March 19 and was fighting another Alaskan malamute, named Kodiak, near 20 Adams Road. Marshfield police officer Kevin Feyler separated the dogs before Haskins arrived. Tonka and the other dog were put in quarantine. Both dogs’ rabies vaccinations had expired, a fact Steele said she wasn’t informed of as the result of switching veterinary clinics.

In December 2002, Tonka got loose and was in a fight with a dog that was being walked on a leash by its owner. Tonka bit the other dog’s owner after she got between the dogs to protect her pet. Tonka then was quarantined for 10 days, Haskins said at the May 14 selectmen’s meeting.

http://ledger.southofboston.com/arti...ews/news06.txt


Posted by: kttref

I had a fight with a mini pin. at work today...i almost tazed the damn thing. but it wasn't big enough. damn thing was a show dog...but it wasn't a happy show dog.


Posted by: Inspector

It's not always Pit Bulls. Consider this story from Ireland.

A GARDA investigation was underway last night into the savage mauling of a seven-year-old boy by a pair of rottweilers.
Jordan Denn received bite wounds to his head, arms, chest and leg in the attack which happened as he played with friends on a busy housing estate.
The attack took place on the Sycamores housing estate in Edenderry, Co Offaly, shortly after 9pm on Saturday.
The Irish Independent has learned that gardai had been called to the estate on two occasions prior to the attack after reports of seeing the dogs running loose on Saturday afternoon.
However, gardai have refused to comment, saying they are "investigating all aspects" of the incident.
The two dogs involved in the attack were destroyed yesterday.
Jordan was picked out from a group of children by the dogs and savaged on the ground outside his house until his father rescued him.
Neighbours on the estate were angered yesterday as they said numerous complaints had been made to gardai about the dogs.
- Dara deFaoite, Irish Independent


Posted by: Inspector

DIX HILLS, N.Y. (AP) -- A man's ear was nearly severed by three rottweilers as he walked with a friend and his dog.

Joe Mortensen, 22, of Dix Hills, and Chis Green, of Lake Ronkonkoma, were walking on Sunday when the rottweilers came running across the field and attacked Green's pit bull, who was on a leash, Suffolk County police said Tuesday.

Both men were bitten as they tried to break up the dog fight. Mortensen suffered cuts on his head, and had his ear nearly severed. Green was bitten on the hand.

Mortensen underwent surgery to reattach his ear at Good Samaritan Hospital in West Islip, police said.

No criminal charges were filed against James Mazzone, 44, the owner of the three rottweilers. He was issued three summonses for not having the dogs licensed, said Bruce Richard, director of the Department of Public Safety for the Town of Huntington, which encompasses Dix Hills. All three dogs had up-to-date rabies vaccinations, he said

CAMDEN, N.J. (AP) -- A judge spared a German shepherd who attacked a child from being euthanized for his bad deed. Instead, 7-year-old Ozzy will have to spend his life in prison.

Back in April, Ozzy, who lived with Kelly Allard in Somerdale, attacked a neighbor's child and was sent to an animal shelter.

A municipal judge ordered the dog be put down. But his owner arranged another option: He could have a job patrolling the perimeter at the privately run George W. Hill Correctional Facility near Media, Pa.

There, he would not be allowed contact with the public or inmates.

On Monday, Superior Court Judge John T. McNeill III agreed to the plan, calling it "the right alternative.''

"He'll be in there until he dies,'' McNeill said. "Ozzy will not be adopted by a family. He will never be released to the public.''


Posted by: kwflatbed

Friday, June 15, 2007


Cop bitten, dog shot during drug arrest

A Jersey City cop shot a pit bull after it attacked him during a drug arrest this evening near the Hudson County Courthouse, officials said.

The officer was part of a narcotics investigation that led to an arrest on drug charges and the recovery of drugs at Courthouse Place and Baldwin Avenue about 6:30 p.m., city spokesman Stan H. Eason said.

During the arrest, the suspect's dog attacked, biting a cop on the leg, Eason said. The cop then fired about four shots at the dog, hitting it at least once.

The injured dog then bolted back into the suspect's home and ran into the backyard.

Eason said Animal Control has been called to get the dog so it can be treated.

"Obviously an agitated, injured dog can be very dangerous, so we're waiting for them to get the dog out of there," he said.


Posted by: kttref

That's a case of a person who has a dog just for protection and got the meanest one he could. I hate those people.


Posted by: screamineagle

I've seen mean cats, lets ban them too!

and birds, birds can be mean!


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by screamineagle
I've seen mean cats, lets ban them too!

and birds, birds can be mean!
While we're at it, let's compare hydrogen bombs to slingshots.

Mean cats are a minor annoyance, dispatched easily with a swift kick or an improvised impact weapon.

Pit bulls are lethal weapons which have no business living in civilized society.


Posted by: screamineagle

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
While we're at it, let's compare hydrogen bombs to slingshots.

Mean cats are a minor annoyance, dispatched easily with a swift kick or an improvised impact weapon.

Pit bulls are lethal weapons which have no business living in civilized society.
I was joking Delta.


Posted by: kttref

hahahahaha way too serious


Posted by: jettsixx

Dont piss off Delta, He gets annoyed if you dont agree with him. I believe his real issue is that he cant simply kick a pit away from him. Delta you seem to really hate this breed........heres some advice DONT GET ONE. But dont tell me I shouldnt.


Posted by: NewEngland2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by jettsixx
Dont piss off Delta, He gets annoyed if you dont agree with him. I believe his real issue is that he cant simply kick a pit away from him. Delta you seem to really hate this breed........heres some advice DONT GET ONE. But dont tell me I shouldnt.
Now I wanna see Jettsixx kick a pit bull.


Posted by: JeffC

Quote:
Originally Posted by jettsixx
I believe his real issue is that he cant simply kick a pit away from him.
id pay good money to see you try.


Posted by: Inspector

Switzerland has passed a new law which requires all pet owners to attend owner classes and the owners of certain dogs are requred to take more intensive classes.
The proposal was backed by 81.7 percent of the electorate who turned up to cast their ballot in the western Swiss canton of Geneva.It will force some 30,000 dog owners to attend a compulsory course on how to handle their pets.
The move comes after a series of fatal canine attacks on people.
Under the new law, owners of guard dogs will have to get certificates stating they are adults and that their pets are properly trained.
Vicious breeds will be limited to one per household and their cross-breeding will be banned. Muzzles will also be mandatory when they are taken out on the streets.


Posted by: REILEYDOG

Quote:
Originally Posted by Inspector
Switzerland has passed a new law which requires all pet owners to attend owner classes and the owners of certain dogs are requred to take more intensive classes.
The proposal was backed by 81.7 percent of the electorate who turned up to cast their ballot in the western Swiss canton of Geneva.It will force some 30,000 dog owners to attend a compulsory course on how to handle their pets.
The move comes after a series of fatal canine attacks on people.
Under the new law, owners of guard dogs will have to get certificates stating they are adults and that their pets are properly trained.
Vicious breeds will be limited to one per household and their cross-breeding will be banned. Muzzles will also be mandatory when they are taken out on the streets.
Socialism at its best. Next we should legislate what time of day the dogs are aloud to crap!


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by jettsixx
Dont piss off Delta, He gets annoyed if you dont agree with him.
On the contrary, I couldn't care less what you think of me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jettsixx
I believe his real issue is that he cant simply kick a pit away from him.
I suppose you can?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jettsixx
Delta you seem to really hate this breed........
I don't hate the dogs, they're just doing what they've been bred to do....kill. It's the morons who continue to subject others to danger by insisting they're great family pets I don't care for.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jettsixx
heres some advice DONT GET ONE. But dont tell me I shouldnt.
We're not talking about a lawn jockey or pink flamingo in your front yard. When you choose to keep a violent, unpredictable animal in civilized society, your selfishness endangers others. And if your unleashed dog gets anywhere near my children, it will become a dead dog very quickly.


Posted by: kwflatbed

Man, pit bull attack Ariz. officer during domestic

The Associated Press

PHOENIX, Ariz. A pit bull attacked a Mesa police officer who was responding to a fight between a brother and sister.
The officer arrived to the home near Val Vista Drive and the US 60 shortly after midnight Saturday.
After the officer was let in, the brother charged him and pushed him through a window in the front room.
The family's pit bull then attacked the officer as he fought on the ground with the man. The man ran into the front yard where another officer was waiting. That's when he surrendered.
The man was identified as 20-year-old Bernard Calhoun Junior. He was arrested on suspicion of aggravated assault, disorderly conduct and criminal damage.
Police say Calhoun and his sister were fighting over his use of too much hot water in the shower. Police say Calhoun swung a cooking pot at his sister but did not hit her.
Calhoun told police he attacked the officer because he thought he saw him reach for a gun or Taser.

Wire Services


Posted by: BrickCop

Quote:
Originally Posted by jettsixx
Dont piss off Delta, He gets annoyed if you dont agree with him. I believe his real issue is that he cant simply kick a pit away from him.
Quite possibly the goofiest post on this entire thread, I'll assume you were joking and give you a mulligan.

I'm curious about the breed traits that are appealing pit owners, especially owners with kids? They're typically not the first (or second, third...) breed most people consider as a family dog.


Posted by: kttref

Quote:
Originally Posted by BrickCop
I'm curious about the breed traits that are appealing pit owners, especially owners with kids? They're typically not the first (or second, third...) breed most people consider as a family dog.
Honestly, we weren't going to the shelter to get a pit. We were going to check out all the large dogs they had. We met a few, but Bailey stole our hearts. She came out and played with us...acted tough but was the sweetest thing ever. We asked about her background, found out she was a pound pup on the street (probably thrown out because she wasn't fighting we were told), lived with a family with 3 kids (they got rid of her because they got divorced and neither parent wanted her), and brought back to the shelter. She's great with kids (but we still watch her like a hawk, after all - she is a dog), doesn't care for any small animals, and is fun to be around.

Like I said, we weren't going for a pit, but realized the breed was for us. It's just something that happened. Now, a pit with a different personality would not have been for us...but Bailey is a push over (although her bark would suggest otherwise).


Posted by: jettsixx

Quote:
Originally Posted by Inspector
Switzerland has passed a new law which requires all pet owners to attend owner classes and the owners of certain dogs are requred to take more intensive classes.
The proposal was backed by 81.7 percent of the electorate who turned up to cast their ballot in the western Swiss canton of Geneva.It will force some 30,000 dog owners to attend a compulsory course on how to handle their pets.
The move comes after a series of fatal canine attacks on people.
Under the new law, owners of guard dogs will have to get certificates stating they are adults and that their pets are properly trained.
Vicious breeds will be limited to one per household and their cross-breeding will be banned. Muzzles will also be mandatory when they are taken out on the streets.
At least they "get it" over there. Thats what I have been saying its the owners that need to be held liable for thier dogs. The dog is going to be a dog and without proper training you can get a dangerous situation in any breed not just pits. (but I am so tired of saying that.

I never claimed I could or would just kick a pit. Dont get me wrong I've never said all pits are lovable friendly dogs and if that is the impression that I have given then I apologize. When the "thugs" get them for status symbols it makes me sick Because they encourage them to be agressive toward humans alot of pits are agresive toward other dogs but very seldom humans.

See there is something we agree on. If an owner is irresponsible enough to have his dog off leash then that is the owner not the dog. Would you have a problem with a pit or any other breed that was being walked on leash with a prong (pinch) collar and a muzzle.


Posted by: kwflatbed

East Bridgewater pit bull owner ordered to get dog out of town

By Alice Judge, Enterprise correspondent
EAST BRIDGEWATER — Chance is out of chances.

Police Chief John E. Cowan on Wednesday gave the owner of Chance, a 3-year-old pit bull, 10 days to find an out-of-town home for the dog.

The decision came Wednesday evening after Cowan, selectmen Chairmen Theresa McNulty, Animal Control Officer Donna Morris and neighbors living on Old Bedford Road inspected a 4-foot high chain-link fence installed last weekend by Chance's owner, Crystal Manni of 37 Old Bedford Road, in an effort to placate neighbors who had complained that Chance got loose and attacked their dogs.

There are more than seven citations against the dog dating back to last July and as recent as last Wednesday, when police were called to Old Bedford Road after Chance got loose and bit another dog on the street.

Manni owes $575 in back fees concerning the dog and is scheduled to appear in Brockton District Court on July 12 to answer to charges pertaining to her pit bull.

Selectmen scheduled a public hearing Tuesday on the many dog complaints from neighbors and heard reports from the police concerning the citations.

The pit bull is not licensed or registered and until Tuesday was not up-to-date on shots.

On Wednesday, Cowan determined the chain link fence in place “is not high enough. The gates are not secure and there are things around the yard near the fence where the dog could jump on and over the fence.”

“I want to give the dog a chance,” said Cowan. “Hopefully, Manni can find new surroundings where the dog will thrive.”

Cowan said that if Chance gets out one more time, he will be seized.

According to Town Clerk Marsha Weidenfeller, in town there are 14 pit bulls, seven pit bull crosses and an American Staffordshire; two of these dogs are not licensed.

Only once before has there been a problem with a pit bull. There is legislation pending that would make pit bulls illegal in Massachusetts.
Old Bedford Road neighbors were relieved Wednesday, not only for their dogs, but for their children as well.

“It was an unacceptable situation,” said Marlene Beaudrault Jacobs of 48 Old Bedford Road. “Safety must come first. None of us wanted the dog to be put down. We all have dogs that we love, but we knew something had to be done.”

http://enterprise.southofboston.com/...ews/news17.txt

Police: Girl, 11, Recovering From Dog Attack

Witness Says German Shepherd Bit Girl's Arm

Video: Man Helps Pull Dog Away From Girl

KINGSTON, N.H. -- An 11-year-old girl was recovering Wednesday after police said she was attacked by a German shepherd in Kingston.

Police said the dog lunged at the girl and her sister as they were walking along Route 107. Witness Fred Ramsey said he saw the dog go after the girl and immediately stopped to help.

"He lunged at the girl and grabbed her by the arm," Ramsey said. "I remember stopping the truck. I threw it into park and jumped out and just ran at the dog."

Ramsey said that the dog would not back away from the girls.

"They were both screaming and kind of hysterical," he said. "One of them tried to run across the street and right away caught the dog's eye, and he bolted across the street after her."

Another driver stopped and parked the car between the dog and one of girls. Police said that the owner eventually arrived at the scene, but they said he couldn't provide a license for the dog or a record of its rabies vaccination.

"Right now, it's still under investigation, and it's a possibility of criminal charges," Chief Donald Briggs said.

The girl was taken to Exeter Hospital, where she was treated for minor injuries to her arm. The dog will be kept in quarantine for 10 days.

"Had these gentlemen not stopped to assist this young girl, she would have been severely injured," Briggs said.

Ramsey said the dog had a collar but no leash.

"He was very, very aggressive, and he wouldn't stop barking, like he was going to attack again at any time," he said.

Police said that a different dog at the same property went after a police officer in 2002.

The dog's owner could not be reached for comment.

http://www.wmur.com/news/13582837/detail.html


Posted by: BrickCop

Quote:
"There are more than seven citations against the dog dating back to last July and as recent as last Wednesday, when police were called to Old Bedford Road after Chance got loose and bit another dog on the street".
Ok let's see if I understand correctly. The EB Police Chief wants to give this four- legged menace "a chance" despite the fact it already had 7 prior chances (and subsequent citations)?


Posted by: SOT

Lynn Police Forced To Shoot Aggressive Pit Bull

(WBZ) LYNN A police officer was forced to shoot a pit bull this morning after the dog attacked a teenager.

Two officers were responding to a domestic incident at 8 Grover Street shortly before 10 a.m. when they found the dog biting the arm of a 15-year-old girl.

The officers first used pepper spray, then hit the pit bull with a baton in an attempt to free the teen.

Once the dog let go of the girl, it lunged at an officer who opened fire.

The pit bull is being treated at North Shore Animal Hospital.

The teenager suffered several bites on her arm and back. She was treated at North Shore Children's Hospital for non-life threatening injuries.


Posted by: justanotherparatrooper

The pit bull is being treated at North Shore Animal Hospital
WHY?


Posted by: dcs2244

I was just at the mall...a pitbull was making the rounds getting his customary "lovies" from women, children, old folks and young folks. He probably tips-the-beam at about 150#. He's as gentle as a kitten...just don't take a poke at his master.

Pits, rotties and other dogs of that type are "one-person" dogs. I don't believe they are appropriate for a family situation...no need to ban the dogs...just use common sense.


Posted by: kttref

Probably the best thing said in awhile....


Posted by: BrickCop

Quote:
Originally Posted by justanotherparatrooper
The pit bull is being treated at North Shore Animal Hospital
WHY?
It should be "treated" with a double tap to the cranium- end of menace. <