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Posted by: tms1989

What are some good sherffs depts in central or northern florida?

Posted by: bigdog21

ive heard good things about the pinellas county sheriffs office as well as polk county sheriffs office

Posted by: Mitpo62

Pinellas County (St. Petersburg/Clearwater) and Orange County (Orlando) are tops. Lots of $$$ and the best equipment available plus all the activity you desire.

Posted by: BSP4141

Pinellas Is A Great S.o. They Got One Of The Toughest P.a.t's Around Though

Posted by: FLCOPZSPD

Being a cop here in FL and living in Hillsborough County "Tampa" I can tell you this, Pinellas County is small compared to most in the area. PCSO is a great place to work but most of Pinellas County has it's own PD's. So PCSO deals with the worst parts. For the past six months gang members have been doing drive-by shootings on Deputies houses. "kind of easy when you have a marked PCSO car in the driveway" Starting pay is little over $40,000 a year, so not bad if you can handle working in the worst area's and dealing with scum that don't think twice to put a bullet thru your home and cruiser. I have done a lot of training with PCSO and there a great bunch of guys/gals. If you have a two year degree or more, I would go for Orange CO or Hillsborough CO. They pay about $2,000 less a year but much larger counties and safer work environment. Also PCSO does NOT allow you to take your car out of county, you are NOT required to live in county but they prefer it. Pinellas County is housing development on top of development, to find a nice home with a nice little pice of land is hard and VERY expensive. You can also look into Polk County SO, Sarasota County SO, Tampa PD, Temple Terrace PD, St. Pete Beach PD, Treasure Island PD, and so on. If you really want info goto Florida Police Chiefs Assoc. fpca.com and look under jobs.

Posted by: tms1989

can 40k go that far down there?

Posted by: FLCOPZSPD

Sheriffs Dept's and PD's like Hillsborough, Tampa PD, Pinellas and a few others have more OT then they can handle. Both TPD and Hillsborough CO have over 100 Reserve Officers & Deputies and they can do all the details they want like full-timers and they still can NEVER fill all the OT and open details. You can easily make $80,000 plus a year. Don't forget down here we have take home cars too. The average income in FL is around $30,000 to 40,000 so cops do real well here. A large number of PD's in New England only pay in the low to mid thirties and most the time it's a bitch to get details when you want them. Like I said TMS goto FPCA.com there are loads of listings for cops & deputies all over FL. Also down here you can put yourself thru the Police Academy, no needing a Chief or any BS like that and most the time there's no waiting to get in. I spent over 5 years being a Special and Reserve Cop in Mass. to get nowhere, came down to FL went thru the academy and halfway thru it I was hired by a PD and they reimbursed me all my academy expenses all in under a year. Hope this helps.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

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Originally Posted by tms1989

can 40k go that far down there?

I don't think so. You buy a new car, they are not going to sell it 10K cheaper down south than here, milk ain't going tocost .99 cents a gallon and gas is same as here. yeah some real estate might be cheaper, but i know a few guys workign down there and it's just as expensive as here. Go to Alabama instead.

Posted by: tms1989

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Originally Posted by FLCOPZSPD

Sheriffs Dept's and PD's like Hillsborough, Tampa PD, Pinellas and a few others have more OT then they can handle. Both TPD and Hillsborough CO have over 100 Reserve Officers & Deputies and they can do all the details they want like full-timers and they still can NEVER fill all the OT and open details. You can easily make $80,000 plus a year. Don't forget down here we have take home cars too. The average income in FL is around $30,000 to 40,000 so cops do real well here. A large number of PD's in New England only pay in the low to mid thirties and most the time it's a bitch to get details when you want them. Like I said TMS goto FPCA.com there are loads of listings for cops & deputies all over FL. Also down here you can put yourself thru the Police Academy, no needing a Chief or any BS like that and most the time there's no waiting to get in. I spent over 5 years being a Special and Reserve Cop in Mass. to get nowhere, came down to FL went thru the academy and halfway thru it I was hired by a PD and they reimbursed me all my academy expenses all in under a year. Hope this helps.

Thanks for the info, how much does it cost to go thru the academy, and what kind of details are avalable? also how bad are the temperatures down in FL?

Posted by: Mitpo62

I should have stayed. Such a dope!

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Does Florida honor other states academies?

Posted by: SinePari

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Originally Posted by Irish Wampanoag

Does Florida honor other states academies?

Check with each agency, but I've seen them accepting laterals with 2 years full-time experience. Just a 2 week Florida Criminal Law introduction and you're in.

Posted by: Massreturnee

Going through the academy used to be about $5,000 but that has probabaly gone up since I went thru (1996). I went through w/ the agency that hired me but a few guys in my class sponsored themselves but they all were living at home and were single. As for details they can be any thing from security at bars and clubs, driving around a golf community, traffic, funeral detailsl and if you w/ an SO extraditions to other states. As for the heat, well for nine months (March through November) it is HOT. About 90 w/ the heat index making it about 105 degrees and then theres the monsoon style rain (which only increases the humidity even at night) and of course... hurricanes. In the winter it can get as low as the 30's (twenties and even frosts and snow flurries on occasion in North and Central Fla). However like other posts say it has been getting expensive in the past five in SE Fla (where I live and work) and even in the Tampa and Orlando areas the Cost Of Living is equitable to the Northeast now ( I am in the process of moving back to New England and am finding salaries and real estate equitable to what I have down here). If your looking for cheap try the Panhandle ( Pensacola, Tallahassee) or North Florida (Ocala, Gainesville, Jacksonville) but remember while housing is cheap so the starting salaries are pretty low to. Good Luck

Posted by: Macop

A large number of PD's in New England only pay in the low to mid thirties and most the time it's a bitch to get details when you want them.

Not true unless you are refering to small hill towns. And depending on where you are at, you cant get enough details, like where I work.

And you only need 1yr full time to lateral to Fl. If you go to Chipola college the crossover is 40HRS unless it recently changed.

I was looking at Pensacola and Gainsville and it is cheap, and the salaries looked pretty good.

Posted by: FLCOPZSPD

No I wasn't talking about in the hills, lol. There are not too many "Big" cities in MA, Boston PD starts off just under $50,000 and you have to live in the city...NO thanks. You are right that most larger towns are in the high 30's and low 40's and details all depend on the town. For the most part there are far more "small" towns in MA then big ones. Lots of towns out past Worcester and beyond still only have PT PD's or the Troopers handle LE functions. As for the crossover it's 2 weeks just over 100 hours. Going thru crossover does NOT mean you are good to go. You still have to take the state LE exam of over 300 questions and I think you now have to score a 75 or better to pass. It also cost $100 to take and you can ONLY take it 3 times before you are required to retake the whole police academy. As for cost of the academy depends on where you go. It can be as low as $1,500 to over $8,500 Some academies charge more if you are from out of state or have lived in FL less then a year, just have to shop around. My whole intention was to come down here and go back to MA. It is deffinetly NOT a lot cheaper to live here. Houses can be much cheaper but house insurence is higher here. What made me stay is the weather, people "the ones not in cuffs", more cop/deputies jobs then they can ever fill, TAKE HOME CARS, great retirement & drop program, and women love the Boston accent. Most of all unlike in MA a cop here is a cop. If you flash a badge here no one cares if it says Campus Cop, Sheriff, Park Police, Fish & Game, Aux./ Reserve / PT cop. We all put on a unifrom the same way and we all face the same dangers. If anyone wants info on Police Academies, costs, crossover, complete list of all PD's & Sheriff's Dept. you can find it all at......fdle.com "Florida Dept. of Law Enforcement"

Posted by: PearlOnyx

Leaving MA and coming to Florida was one of the best things that I could have done. I had five years in the state retirement system in MA when I left, and I took a pretty big pay cut, but without the state income tax down here, I take home the same paycheck as I did up there. Things are definatley cheaper here too, although like someone mentioned, somethings like gas are the same. Insurance is horrible. I live and work in Orange County, and I like it quite a bit. If you're concerned about paying for the academy, look at some of the state agencies. They will put you through for free.

Posted by: Mitpo62

Oh dear....I really should have stayed!

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

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Originally Posted by Mitpo62

Oh dear....I really should have stayed!

NO! Your a good guy we need you here in Mass

Posted by: BSP4141

Try Looking Into Passco County As Well, Good Pay

Posted by: Zorba222

Hernando County Florida has a great sheriff's office. Money is good. Activity level is high. Plenty to do and not get bored. Take home cruiser and great equipment!

Posted by: tms1989

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Originally Posted by PearlOnyx

Leaving MA and coming to Florida was one of the best things that I could have done. I had five years in the state retirement system in MA when I left, and I took a pretty big pay cut, but without the state income tax down here, I take home the same paycheck as I did up there. Things are definatley cheaper here too, although like someone mentioned, somethings like gas are the same. Insurance is horrible. I live and work in Orange County, and I like it quite a bit. If you're concerned about paying for the academy, look at some of the state agencies. They will put you through for free.

what is the FHP like?

Posted by: FLCOPZSPD

TMS....FHP is a very low paid agency they make between $31,000 to $36,000 depends on where you get assigned in the state. FHP handles the highways ONLY. Not nearly as many details as PD's & SO's because there just are not that many details on the highways. They are also extremely understaffed and higher continuously. Many guys use it just to get into the academy and gain some road experience, then jump ship. You spend a lot of time dealing with accidents and in some of the worst weather. You can brush snow off your uniform, you can't brush off torrential down pours. Some good things about them: state retirement, take home car right out of the academy, no formal interview to pass (the background investigator is the guy that decides based on the polygraph etc if you should be put in the To Be Hired Pool) and if you hang around long enough definitely can make rank easy. The Troopers I know love it but all admit there wives/husbands all make more money then them and that they couldn't make it on just FHP's pay. Wany more info on them use this: http://www.fhp.state.fl.us/

Posted by: leoinfl

You can always go back 117!!!

Irish, they do typically honor your academy, you have to go through a short cross over academy that get's you certified and then on to field training for the department that you're hired by.

Posted by: tms1989

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Originally Posted by FLCOPZSPD

TMS....FHP is a very low paid agency they make between $31,000 to $36,000 depends on where you get assigned in the state. FHP handles the highways ONLY. Not nearly as many details as PD's & SO's because there just are not that many details on the highways.

The highway patrol works road details down there? Are they like the details in MA? What sheriff depts in Fl work traffic details?

Posted by: leoinfl

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Originally Posted by tms1989

The highway patrol works road details down there? Are they like the details in MA? What sheriff depts in Fl work traffic details?

The details in FL aren't like the one's in MA. Unfortunately road details really don't exist, not like in MA. If Verizon is fixing some wires they don't have an officer in the cruiser working it. It would be great if they did, but it doesn't happen. Details typically come down to jurisdiction, which is also quite different in FL compared to MA. Anything on the highways FHP will get it. The SO's patrol unincorporated areas of towns/cities, so one side of the road may be the jurisdiction of said city and directly across the street at a different strip mall, that could be the SO's jurisdiction. Comes down to tax money as to what area get's what department etc.

Posted by: SinePari

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Originally Posted by FLCOPZSPD

Most of all unlike in MA a cop here is a cop. If you flash a badge here no one cares if it says Campus Cop, Sheriff, Park Police, Fish & Game, Aux./ Reserve / PT cop. We all put on a unifrom the same way and we all face the same dangers.

Interesting concept. Where is this planet called Florida again?

Posted by: Otto

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Originally Posted by SinePari

Interesting concept. Where is this planet called Florida again?

In a galaxy far, far away...

Posted by: tms1989

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Originally Posted by leoinfl

So what kind of details do they work exactly?

Posted by: BSP4141

I Have A Friend That Works For Doc In Tampa And He's Trying To Get On Passco County, You Might Have A Easyer Time Getting A Job As A Detention Deputy Then Transfering In As A L.e. Deputy. My Friend Did That At Broward County And Now He's A L.e. Deputy. I'm Acuualy Going Down On The 27th Of This Month To Take The Testing For Broward County.

Whats The Deal With The D.r.o.p Program Down There

Posted by: leoinfl

It sometimes feels like another galaxy down there!!! But the policing is fun! As for the details, a lot of them will be working traffic control at the churches, maybe details at the movie theaters, some hospital details, sometimes a bar detail, sporting events, DUI details, but very rarely from my experience are you working overtime on a road detail like up in MA. If you're looking for a lot of action as an officer/deputy than FL is a good place to go. There is a saying down there...go to FL on vacation, leave on probation, and then come back in violation!!! Stay safe!!!

Posted by: FLCOPZSPD

BSP....Doing DOC or Detention Dep. was the way to go many many years ago. People with the FT. Police Academy are a dime a dozen down here, anyone can put themselves thru the academy here. If U R DOC or Detention Cert, U still have to take the cross-over class and very few Dept's will make it easy to do it. State DOC does 8 or 10 hour shifts where Detention Dep. do 12 hour shifts, so good luck trying to do the cross-over academy working 12 hour shifts on top of rotating shifts every 30 or 60 days depending on the SO. Most guys join DOC because they have a poor background and DOC doesn't require a polygraph test. DOC will hire anyone down here and they hire every month. Most Sheriff's Dept. require U to put in so many years in Detention before you can go on the road, even if U R already LEO cert. Most SO put new hires thru the Detention Academy and pay U while attending but U have to stay in detention for so many years, for most min. of 3. If you jump ship and goto another SO or PD, U have to pay back all the training expenses to the SO you are leaving. If you try and screw them over VERY few Dept's will consider hiring you. Most all the major cities in FL hire monthly and put new hires thru the academy, so to go DOC or Detention is just a waist of time unless your background is shaky. No I am NOT saying U or anyone else has a poor background just saying DOC will take anyone, even if U have recent drug use, poor credit, and a bad driving history. SO's & PD's for the most part require a clean DL history and a clean credit history with NOTHING in collection status. So anyone wanting to get into Law Enforcement here in FL, make sure your credit is in good standing and U have no current late payments and nothing in collection, if you do don't bother applying until you have cleaned it up. BSP..Good Luck with Broward SO if you can handle a year on the road there, you can transfer anywhere in FL after that. If you are going to Broward to work Detention...may God be with you.

Posted by: PearlOnyx

TMS,

Personally, I like working for FHP. They pay is getting better, and I think it's a great agency to work for. If you like traffic work, it is a good agency. If you aren't interested in traffic, probably not for you. PM me with questions if you're interested.

FLCOP,

I think a lot of what you had to say depends on what area you work in. Personally, I can't think of the last time I made a traffic stop on the Interstate. I don't work on the "highways" at all. We have separate units that work the state highways and the interstate. I work the unincorporated areas of the county, which are mostly urban. If you work in the more metropolitain areas, you will do more metropolitian police work. I work in the city with all of the other agencies, although as you know, mostly traffic work. We have more off duty work than we can fill. Off duty work goes unfilled all the time. But again, it depends on what area you work in. In general, the further south you go, the more off duty work there is.

As far as details, most of what we get is similar to what you guys get through Mass Highway up there. The Sheriff's and locals pull alot of the more "security" type details (confrences, parks, hotels etc.), but those jobs are out there too if you look for them.

Posted by: wildman13

can anyone provide me with information on the sarasota county sheriffs dept, is having a 4-yr degree and no academy training enough to get on down there? i am sponsored to go through the reserve academy this fall but if i could get on a full-time dept down there i would much rather that

Posted by: PearlOnyx

Wildman,

If you come down here and pay to put yourself through, with no college education, you will more than likley get offers from departments. College is helpful if you want to be more competitive for some of the more desireable or better paying departments. Can't speak about Sarasota though, too far away.

Posted by: FLCOPZSPD

Wildman....The following will take you if all you have is a 4yr. degree: Tampa PD, Hillsborough County SO, St. Pete PD, You can apply to PASS in Pinellas County they do hiring for over 12 Dept's and require min. of assoc. degree, Broward County SO, Miami Dade County, FHP would love you if U have a clean driving record and good credit. The list goes on and on. Most large Cities in FL will hire without the academy and if U have a degree even better. The Reserve Academy in Mass will get U some Aux. or Reserve position where you will sit and wait forever. If you are lucky U might get hired by some small college PD with the Reserve Academy but U will be stuck there forever. I know at least 10 guys from Mass that have come down here and either put themselves thru the academy or got hired and put thru, all in under a year. Six of the ten I know left FL and went to Mass & NH in under two years of being here and got jobs as cops back there. It's all what U put into it and make of it. Good Luck

Sorry here is the info for Sarasota SO, they don't require a degree but DO require the appicants to ALREADY be FT Certified regardless if you have a degree or not. Collier County SO will hire you with a 4yr degree and put you thru the academy. Good Dept and pay...here is there link: http://www.colliersheriff.org/career...roadpatrol.stm

Posted by: wildman13

Thanks a lot for all the information, the more i think about it the more it makes sense to move down there and start my career. I just have one more question that involves the medical examination. I am wondering if diabetes will disqualify me from being hired down there. I know up here it isnt such a hot issue but dont know how FL depts handle it. I have been searching for information pertaining to diabetes and havent found anything. I passed every exam for the LAPD and got put off the list because of the diabetes. So i know that if i can find a dept that allows it, i will have no problems going through the process.

Posted by: PearlOnyx

Wildman,

I think it really depends on how well managed your diabetes is. I know my agency has previously hired well managed insulin dependant diabetics, at least one that I can think of. If you have it under control, I don't see why it would be a problem, but some agencies may not see it that way. Probably best to go ahead and check with the agency before you spend time applying.

Posted by: wildman13

Thanks for the info again. I have it well under control so i shouldnt come across any problems. The question is should i apply now? or wait until september when i plan on moving down there. Trying to find time to make trips down there to test would be a problem. And i am also debating whether i should try for a city or county dept. Which would you recommend for someone starting out?

Posted by: PearlOnyx

Wildman,

The processes take quite a long time, as far as hiring. You'll need to look at the academy that you want to go to and see what their requirements are. Look at when you are going to move, and when the academies deadlines are, and then plan accordingly. If you're going to try to get sponsored by an agency, I'd apply now. It took me 11 months to get hired, and 4 trips down.

Posted by: leoinfl

Wildman,

I'd definitely start the application process now. Depending on the agency and your background you're typically looking at 2-6 months on a background check. I know it's a pain flying back and forth, I had to do it before I got hired in FL, but it's worth it. I couldn't afford to live down there and not be sponsored, so thankfully I got sponsored through the academy, which meant receiving a pay check while going through the academy. There are some departments that do and others that won't sponsor, but those that self-sponsor themselves typically get picked up near the end of the academy by one the agencies down there and than reimbursed for the academy. In most places in FL you will see a lot of activity on the street. Most agencies provide the best technology and training when compared to other regions of the country. A lot of them do county wide take home cruisers and when you arrest someone down there, you don't do the booking etc. which only keeps you off of the road. In FL like other regions of the country you simply take the prisoner to the county jail and the jail deputies book him in etc., so you can make an arrest, drop the person off and have them out of your life and be back on the road quickly. For the most part they seem to make policing efficient down there. Good luck and pm me if you have any other questions.

Posted by: PearlOnyx

Wildman,

I thought of another piece of advice too. Make sure that the agency you apply to really sponsors pepople. Talk to some people who are already on the job. I applied to a city agency a few years ago, and passed the entire process, paying for four trips back and forth, only to be told that they wouldn't be sponsoring anyone that year. There are plenty of agencies that "really" sponsor you, and some that will let you think that they do.

Posted by: wildman13

ok so it would be ideal to be hired by the agency first and have them sponsor me through the academy. Instead of putting myself through the academy and hope to get recruited by an agency that will reimburse me. thanks again for all the info

Posted by: PearlOnyx

Wildman,

Yes, that would be ideal but don't waste your time waiting forever to get sponsored. If you're having trouble finding an agency, and you can afford to put yourself through, then more power to you.

Posted by: wildman13

I am looking to work around the Ft. Myers area. Does anyone know anything about the Lee County Sheriffs Dept? Right now my best bet seems like going for the Collier Sheriffs Dept.

Posted by: Deuce

If you go to Officer.com they have a section for every state. I've seen past threads on Lee county SO/Ft.Meyers PD. You might get more info there.

Posted by: SPS5592

PCSO makes just over 40k and yes that is enough to make it down here. As for living in the county of Pinellas it is a bit more expensive than surrounding counties but you can survive. Taking home a cruiser if you live out of county( i live north of Pinellas) they just have us park them on the county line in a secure area,from there you just take your POV home.
Hillsborough county has just as many crazy gangs/people in it than Pinellas does. Pinellas just has a larger population for its size.
You will have to pay your way through the academy for the LEO side of the house (academy i think is4k) but once you start/finish youll get snagged up pretty quick. Better than dealing with the civil service bull in mass. Hillsbourough has what they call the "Integrity Program" where they pay you to go through the academy and pay all your expenses. good gig but youll probably work in delta diivision first.....good luck

Posted by: tms1989

Kind of a weird question, but if i get hired in FL, at 19 years old, would I be allowed to work bar details?

Posted by: PearlOnyx

TMS,

That would be a department policy issue. Many agencies have limitations on what details you can work, and what you can not work while your on probation.

Posted by: NegroRotary

Hey pearl I'm going to send the application for FHP, I'll let you know how that go as soon as I hear from them, in the meantime since you work in Orlando, can you tell me if they have a test in Oct?

Posted by: PearlOnyx

Neg,

We generally have one test per month. The test dates for August just went out, and I'm not sure if the October dates would be set as of yet. I'm not involved in recruiting or anything like that, so I'd have to ask around. Since the August dates just went out about two weeks ago, I can't imagine that the October dates are set. They usually give you about a month notice before the test date. It's only a one day trip for the first test date, so you can fly in the day before and leave that night if you have time off issues or what not. Most out of staters test here in Orlando, but if you have issues with the date, they may be able to set you up with another date elsewhere too. Tests are usually in the middle of the week.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Pearl,
Whatever happened to the lateral transfers into FHP program they were talking about a couple of years ago.

Posted by: NegroRotary

Pear I'm going to FL in October, that's why, if not I'll wait till either Nov or Dec, that will give me more time to keep running lol, i have been lazy the last 2 years so I need to get ready for the academy environment.

Posted by: PearlOnyx

Out,

If you are Florida certified, and you pass the process and are hired, you do not have to attend the basic portion of the academy. You only have to attend the final 8 weeks of the academy, which is agency specific training. The first 5 months or so is just the Florida Basic Curriculum. Once the non-certified recruits take and pass the state exam, these folks are added in to the class. There are always a few of these "crossovers" in every class.

Negro,

We test every month, so when apply a month or two before you're ready and you should be good to go. I waited like a month and a half for my test date after I applied. You can call a recruiter and see if they have any dates set. They'd know better.

Posted by: NegroRotary

I will do that my friend! thanks

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