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Vermont Dept. Motor Vehicles Has MAJOR FLAWS

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Posted by: 209

Why I HATE the Vermont DMV.

1.) They issues plates temp/regular to non residents who in turn operate that vehicle on MA OLN in Mass.

2.) They do not require insurance when registering vehicles.

3.) They will issue a registration to someone whos VT license is SUSPENDED in VT.


If you can think of any other stupid things the VT DMV does or doesn't do please list.


Posted by: 14298a

Their MV registration listings do now show an expiration DATE, only the YEAR of expiration


Posted by: jo

This dates back a few years, but I remember when they issued licenses without a photo. It was just a green and white card with typed info on it.


Posted by: MSP75

Quote:
Originally Posted by jo
This dates back a few years, but I remember when they issued licenses without a photo. It was just a green and white card with typed info on it.
I Believe VT still issues renewed licenses w/o a photo. The theory is that the operator provides the original photo license upon request.


Posted by: VSP Troop

Quote:
Originally Posted by jo
This dates back a few years, but I remember when they issued licenses without a photo. It was just a green and white card with typed info on it.
They do still issue the non photo green and whites. I think they are cheaper which is why a lot of people have them. Its just one of the many many things that baffle me about VT...


Posted by: motown22

operating after suspension NEVER becomes criminal in the state of vermont. yeah...you can just never pay your tickets and you wont get arrested...you just have to pay your tow fee


Posted by: futureMSP

A lot of those green licenses with no photo don't expire until around 2010. Another thing they are laminated over the typing so it rubs off. We also have the morons that will give me the non-photo license after they thumb past the photo license. Most of the green non-photos are unreadable now anyway. I don't like them so the ops usually get a ticket for a damaged license. I let them know it can go away if they show me a new photo id in a week or so. That is my way of getting them to get a new license.

For the registration, it expires on the last day of the month, thats why there is no day. If you get someone without an insurance card and your unsure if they have it you can check the inspection sticker. You need insurance to get your car inspected, no insurance, no new sticker.

The DMV is an absolute mess here....


Posted by: Macop

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Posted by: frank

Quote:
Originally Posted by VSP Troop
They do still issue the non photo green and whites. I think they are cheaper which is why a lot of people have them. Its just one of the many many things that baffle me about VT...
Sounds like a drivers license from the UK...but, does VT issue full pages, or just a card?


Posted by: VSP Troop

Quote:
Originally Posted by motown22
operating after suspension NEVER becomes criminal in the state of vermont. yeah...you can just never pay your tickets and you wont get arrested...you just have to pay your tow fee
A new law as of last year is if you accumulate I believe 5 operataing after suspension tickets since 2002, it becomes a criminal offense. So basically people can drive suspended until they get stopped and ticketed 5 times and they don't have to worry about being arrested. Unless, they went under for a criminal reason (DUI), then operating after suspension is criminal.


Posted by: 209

[quote=futureMSP]
If you get someone without an insurance card and your unsure if they have it you can check the inspection sticker. You need insurance to get your car inspected, no insurance, no new sticker.
[quote]

Out of state vehicles need to show proof of insurance if stopped in MA. It is up to the operator to prove that the vehicle is insured. Some states provide insurance status when the vehicle is ran.


Posted by: futureMSP

What I said about the inspection sticker and insurance is for Vermont vehicles, our registration system wont tell you anything other than valid or not. Unlike MA it wont tell us anything about inspection or insurance. I was mentioning a way to check if they have it in a round about way. Also some folks here tend to get insurance, get the card, and then not pay. But they will have a valid card and inspection sticker. Every has to be a pain.


Posted by: 209

Quote:
Originally Posted by futureMSP
What I said about the inspection sticker and insurance is for Vermont vehicles, our registration system wont tell you anything other than valid or not. Unlike MA it wont tell us anything about inspection or insurance. I was mentioning a way to check if they have it in a round about way. Also some folks here tend to get insurance, get the card, and then not pay. But they will have a valid card and inspection sticker. Every has to be a pain.
Thats good to know about the inspection sticker, but how does the inspections station know if you insurance is good if they produce a valid card yet havent made payments since getting it? VT rmv is so behind the times.

You dont pay insurance in MA your Reg will be revoked plain and simple.


Posted by: PearlOnyx

We don't get too many vermont registrations down here, but when you do get an NCIC response back from one, not ony does it only show year of expiration, it's not clearly marked. You can't tell if it's the year the tag was issued or expired. If it's not something you run all the time, you can't tell what's what.


Posted by: futureMSP

They don't know if it is valid insurance, they just check for a valid insurance card. Then, if your a good ole boy and friends with the inspection station guy, he will put an inspection sticker on your vehicle that wont pass inspection. It is a terrible system, I probably stop 1-2 cars/trucks a week that shouldn't have passed inspection but do for some reason.

The RMV system here is antiquated and useless. The problem is Vermont never wants to change anything, something very public and very bad has to happen for change to occur.


Posted by: JoninNH

"A nonresident may operate his or her vehicle in Massachusetts --as long as he or she is properly registered in thier state (or country) and carry insuracne in an amount equal to or greater than is required in Massachusetts. Without carrying these minimum requirements of insurance, the nonresident may only operate his or her vehicle for thirty days in Massachusetts in any one year."


Posted by: 209

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoninNH
"A nonresident may operate his or her vehicle in Massachusetts --as long as he or she is properly registered in thier state (or country) and carry insuracne in an amount equal to or greater than is required in Massachusetts. Without carrying these minimum requirements of insurance, the nonresident may only operate his or her vehicle for thirty days in Massachusetts in any one year."
I have read this as well. But if their home state requires insurance and they are operating without insurance they can be ticketed and towed here 90/34/J, same concept as ticketing for failure to display 2 plates when issued.

As I understood it NH does not require insurance...so if they drove through MA w/o insurance that would be legal for 30 days? ( I do not see too many NH reg. vehicles.) I understood that any vehicle operated in the commonwealth was required to carry a minimum amount of auto insurance, but as I stated above I have read what you wrote ^ and understand that as well. The topic of out of state veh. to be insured is similar to MA law making temporary plates issued out of state invalid 90/9. In regards to Temp. Plates issued out of state being invalid I find it hard to jam someone up if they were issued the temp. reg in their state legally and then just happen to be passing though MA.


Posted by: 209

Anyone have an answer to my question?


Posted by: VSP Troop

I'm not exactly clear on what your question is.. but in VT, regardless of whether someone is operating with a temp reg or not, they must produce valid proof of insurance, otherwise they get ticketed and towed. I work on the NH border so I get a lot of NH motorists with no insurance. As soon as they cross into VT, they are in violation.


Posted by: 209

Quote:
Originally Posted by VSP Troop
As soon as they cross into VT, they are in violation.
That answers my question for the most part.




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