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Posted by: tin63

I just heard from a very good source that Boston Police Dept. will be accepting approx. 175 Transfers from other Civil Service Departments within Massachusetts.

This is supposed to go out over a TT very soon. Anybody have any further info on this matter?

Posted by: JoninNH

No, but I would call bullshit.

Posted by: gooday

They would have to become residents if they are not already. The union wouldnt be very happy either seeing that so many others worked for other p.d's in the past and had to go back to the academy for the BPD.

Posted by: Mitpo62

This was mentioned in a Globe article recently. They are trying to attract more "qualified" minorities and women. They exhausted the list of city residents therefore are seeking those outside their limits.

Posted by: alphadog1

It's not a rumor, it's a fact the BPD will be taking lateral tranfers in the very near future.

Posted by: j809

Yeah but you have to live in that shithole.

Posted by: Edmizer1

This may happen, but not the way you think. The consent degree is gone which is causing problems with the city getting the amountof minorities and special languages they need. Transfers may be a quick way to steal officers from other departments that have what they need. Boston's pay is good so they can probably steal many officers. If you are a white male or female and don't speak certain languages, you probably have zero shot at a transfer if they actually happen.

Posted by: secret squirrel

I would think that a high percentage of the positions are probably already spoken for (POLITICALLY SPEAKING)!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Sniper

I agree squirrel........... How's your nuts ?

Posted by: Delta784

It's for real.....it hit the teletype today.

Posted by: pahapoika

Boston will probably get some somebody else's headaches and serves them right.

first they beat you over the head with the residency requirement and now it doesn't matter !

of course white males need not apply

Posted by: masscopguy

Someone posted in another forum that the Medford Ma Police had a posting somewhere about Boston taking laterals.

With the money you can make in Boston you could live on the Irish Riviera near the Dedham line. I would not call that a shithole. But, if you have school aged children especially high school aged kids be prepared for the high tuition costs that come with the private or Catholic schools you are going to have to send them to.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by masscopguy

With the money you can make in Boston you could live on the Irish Riviera near the Dedham line.

Key words are "can" and "could", both of which are presumptive.

Almost every time I encounter a Boston cop, they ask me if we're taking laterals (unless the mayor owes you his life - no)

The Boston PD job is no bargain...where else do you get assigned your summer vacation period??

Posted by: gooday

So I guess they wont hire the non residents that they reached on the list this time around. The thing I dont get is that they want more minority officers. They say the problem is not enough minorities are applying for the job. So they want to hire someone who dont want the job all that bad opposed to someone that has experience or dreamed of this job his or her whole life. Sounds like a good idea to me. Now on the other hand how can they say we need more minority officers, are they saying the non minorities are uneffective or that the minority community is more important than the non. Sounds like another form of segragation to me. Blacks arrest blacks, whites arrest whites. Good Idea lets go backwards. I say give a small incentive for these fine candidates to learn another language and go with quality.

Posted by: Gil

It's a language issue thats all, not the fact that they want anything to do with segregation. They need cops that are fluent in different languages to deal with their population.

Posted by: smd6169

The problem is that many of these officers [candidates] speak their native language fluently, but english very poorly.

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Originally Posted by Gil

It's a language issue thats all, not the fact that they want anything to do with segregation. They need cops that are fluent in different languages to deal with their population.

Posted by: gooday

All I'm saying is boston is a great Department and if people dont want the job enough to go and take the test without having it advertized everywhere around them then to bad for them. I work corrections but when I see this point brought up it kind of gets me going. The way I see it is it shouldnt matter what ethnic backround you are. I feel white, black, cuban, cape verdian, hespanic who cares as long as you do a good job, you want the job and you do it clean then you diserve it more than the next guy. If these communities never get to converse with cops of other races then they will feel they are not there to protect them only there own race is. In this country I like to think thats not true. Thats why I think learning a language is huge for cops. Even in my field I have been thinking about learning another language. We live in a different world than we did ten years ago. Hiring people that already speak other languages is fine but you stiil have 1000 cops that dont. My opinion on the subject may not be the best one but its the way I see it.

Posted by: smd6169

Listen, I was in Corrections for 5 years and am in total agreement with you. Yes, the department should be diverse but it should not be so at the expense of not hiring the best qualified or others who are, well, white. What get's me is that a white applicant is put under the microscope and the dept. is less forgiving while a minority will be put under less scrutiny and the dept. will be more willing to forgive or disregard events that would disqualify another candidate. This is getting way off topic but still ties in to seeking candidates other then those who are applying.

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Originally Posted by gooday

All I'm saying is boston is a great Department and if people dont want the job enough to go and take the test without having it advertized everywhere around them then to bad for them. I work corrections but when I see this point brought up it kind of gets me going. The way I see it is it shouldnt matter what ethnic backround you are. I feel white, black, cuban, cape verdian, hespanic who cares as long as you do a good job, you want the job and you do it clean then you diserve it more than the next guy. If these communities never get to converse with cops of other races then they will feel they are not there to protect them only there own race is. In this country I like to think thats not true. Thats why I think learning a language is huge for cops. Even in my field I have been thinking about learning another language. We live in a different world than we did ten years ago. Hiring people that already speak other languages is fine but you stiil have 1000 cops that dont. My opinion on the subject may not be the best one but its the way I see it.

Posted by: BrickCop

It will be intersting to hear the BPPA's take on this. They'll obviously be opposed to it but will they make the claim that the laterals coming in are not qualified like they did with the Munis?

Posted by: gooday

I say give everyone an insentive to learn another language. Now theres no problem and they can hire the best candidate. Even a 3 percent raise with tuition paid back for all L.E that have a cirtificate from a school saying they learned a language. People who already speak another language can still learn another one. Then race is not an issue. People went out and took a criminal justice course I'm sure there willing to learn a language.

Posted by: smd6169

Let the native speakers learn english.

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Originally Posted by gooday

I say give everyone an insentive to learn another language. Now theres no problem and they can hire the best candidate. Even a 3 percent raise with tuition paid back for all L.E that have a cirtificate from a school saying they learned a language. People who already speak another language can still learn another one. Then race is not an issue. People went out and took a criminal justice course I'm sure there willing to learn a language.

Posted by: masscopguy

I wasn't trying to suggest that Boston was just an easy high paying job. I would think it would be a very difficult place to ply your trade.

Can earn good money and could live in West Roxbury are assumptions. My only point was that if you really wanted to be on in Boston there is income available that would allow you to afford to live in one of the nicer sections of the city.

The point about language training is right on the money. Don't other agencies, like the FBI for example train their people all the time in foreign languages to fulfill particular assignments?

Although, I do think that a department should to some degree reflect the population it serves, this should not cause the standards to be lowered.

Didn't I just read that one of Boston's most effective and productive drug detectives just retired. He was a 60 something year old white Irish guy who performed very well with both the minority population and the white people in Boston. So I don't think your race, age and ability to speak a foreign language will necessarily made you and effective cop.

Posted by: GOHOME361

It's very true. There is only 1 downfall. You have to live in Boston. We're going thru contract negotiations as we speak and a residency cap of 10 yrs is not even on the table. Menino wantes cops to live in Boston to keep his residents feeling safe. I have over 12 yrs with them, and at present I am negotiating a contract with a smaller town because I want out of Boston. If you think you can sneak around and not live in Boston, think again, they busted 40-70 cops and haven't even told them as of yet...Instant termination baby...Please tread lightly...Boston PD is not the Holy Grail and is a lousy ...lousy place to live!

Posted by: quality617

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Originally Posted by GOHOME361

It's very true. There is only 1 downfall. You have to live in Boston. We're going thru contract negotiations as we speak and a residency cap of 10 yrs is not even on the table. Menino wantes cops to live in Boston to keep his residents feeling safe. I have over 12 yrs with them, and at present I am negotiating a contract with a smaller town because I want out of Boston. If you think you can sneak around and not live in Boston, think again, they busted 40-70 cops and haven't even told them as of yet...Instant termination baby...Please tread lightly...Boston PD is not the Holy Grail and is a lousy ...lousy place to live!

Amen to that. I left the job mainly because of the residency, and also the way the city treats the cops. Menino thinks it's a friggin game every time contract time comes up. It's disgusting.

Posted by: pahapoika

Let the native speakers learn english.

good point

Posted by: coldsteel

I dont think that the general populace in Boston should dictate the caliber, color or national backrounds of it's applicants.... Hire more whites and dump that damn stupid residence bull no one wants to shit where they eat... Just my .02

Posted by: smd6169

Right on!

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Originally Posted by coldsteel

I dont think that the general populace in Boston should dictate the caliber, color or national backrounds of it's applicants.... Hire more whites and dump that damn stupid residence bull no one wants to shit where they eat... Just my .02

Posted by: torrential239

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Originally Posted by Edmizer1

This may happen, but not the way you think. The consent degree is gone which is causing problems with the city getting the amountof minorities and special languages they need. Transfers may be a quick way to steal officers from other departments that have what they need. Boston's pay is good so they can probably steal many officers. If you are a white male or female and don't speak certain languages, you probably have zero shot at a transfer if they actually happen.

Why would boston have a problem getting minorites or special language candidates? That's half the cities population.

Posted by: robinlow

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Originally Posted by coldsteel

This equal opportunity crap is just bull!

Getting inferior officers are worse than getting white officers whom they put through some language course to learn some language of the people in the area.

Then again, why are there so many non-english speakers in Boston? I think they can speak and understand, they just choose not to...

Posted by: smd6169

They speak [a little] english when it's time to collect their housing allowance or food stamps. Anyhow, so BPD hires all these desired languages speakers but the thing is, they may speak Vietnamese or Cape verdin, but they DON'T SPEAK "A" English very well. I walked up to a BPD officer about a year ago to ask something simple, he looked at me with such a lost look. Then he proceeded to talk and damn if I could make out what he was saying.

I do have one additional point to make about these lateral transfers from other PD's....many on BPD should never have been hired for one reason or another but they were due to political favors or because of the joke of a process, no oral boards and lazy detectives. Most other departments have a very extensive screening and selection process with oral boards where you can get a feel of the applicant and hold of the english language. At least you can know that anyone coming in went through a real selection process, not the BPD joke that it is.

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Posted by: BrickCop

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Originally Posted by GOHOME361

Do you really believe that the city will terminate 40-70 cops when it's all over the media how there aren't enough cops out in the street? It would be political suicide for the mayor to fire those cops with the violent crime rate- the department has to seek out laterals as it is to fill vacancies.

Posted by: dayshift

Has human resources sent out letters yet confirming interviews or whether or not resumes for the position of lateral transfer have been received?

Posted by: j809

The deadline is April1. I don't see anything going out until after that date.

Posted by: tin63

Does anybody know what the time off/vacation time policy is for Boston. Also, if it is as bad as I have heard, do guys bang in sick a lot there??

Posted by: alphadog1

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j809
the deadline is April1. I don't see anything going out until after that date.

I hear officers who sent letters of interest to BPD, have been told to get letters from their current Chief okaying a lateral transfer.

Posted by: 1811

Did anyone else get a call yesterday for the lateral orientation being held at BPD HQ this Saturday at 9am?

Posted by: GOHOME361

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Originally Posted by BrickCop

ONCE AGAIN YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE POLITICS OF BIG CITY POLICE. IF THEY GET ENOUGH LSTERALS THEN THEY WILL START THE TERMINATION PROCESS. IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE MEDIA FINDS OUT. AND IF YOU ARE DOING A LATERAL TO THE BPD AND HAVE ANY NOTION ON PLAYING THE RESIDENCY, YOU WILL BE FOUND OUT ASAP. NO QUESTIONS ASKED. BECAUSE IF REAL BOSTON COPS ARE DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY, THEN YOU CAN BE SURE YOU WILL HAVE TO ADHERE TO SAME, AND IF NOT THEN YOUR STAY WITH THE BPD WILL BE SHORT LIVED. WHO DO YOU THINK HAVE BEEN NOTIFYING IAD ABOUT COPS LYING ABOUT THEIR RESIDENCE......WELCOME TO THE GAME

Posted by: Robert35

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Originally Posted by tin63

Does anybody know what the time off/vacation time policy is for Boston. Also, if it is as bad as I have heard, do guys bang in sick a lot there??

4 Personal Days a Year that can be banked up to 12 for Retirements payout. You can also cash them in each year, 15 days sick a year. 4 weeks vacation to start, 5 at 20 years on. Max pay after 3 years, quinn Bill. Yes they bang in a lot but that's because it is your time to use and if you need a day off and cannot change your shift with someone thats why you bang. They don't like it but the ot is great. You can cash in up to 10 days sick each year if you don't bang in. The rest of the days are banked each year. It is not a bad as you hear just that we are shot in numbers and there is a lot of OT.

Posted by: GOHOME361

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Originally Posted by Robert35

You start out with two weeks vacation unless prior civil service time. 5 weeks at like 18.5-19.5 yrs. You can change your shift with someone (swap).Summertime there is a ton of OT, it is also forced OT which you have no choice to tak IE you work 4-12...then you get frozen 12AM to -0730 no questions asked! Same with a midnight to seven thirty...then you get froze for a day tour. That happens more oftern than not....believe that!

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

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BECAUSE IF REAL BOSTON COPS ARE DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY, THEN YOU CAN BE SURE YOU WILL HAVE TO ADHERE TO SAME,

Wow, it already started, the REAL BOSTON COPS. Give me a freaking break. Everytime I see the news and see BPD officers at the shooting scene, 90% of them look like they belong on a short bus or in a english as a second language classroom.

Posted by: GOHOME361

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Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

For someone who "sees the news" and desribes members of the BPD as mentally challenged, or as uninformed immigrants it seems you have nothing but negative thoughts. A nice luxury to be watching us from your home.We're still not sure who you work for, it is assumed that you were once an muni or housing officer. Judging from your low opinion of the BPD, you could have applied for the job and had a positive impact, where you would not have to tag the BPD as ineefective and uncapable. Why didn't you ever get on yourself. if you were a muni or housing officer the lack of people to know wasn't there. Please let us know whow you would fix the problems of the BPD

It is common knowledge that the rank and file are accepting lateral x-fers with open arms. We can use the help. We just hope the new applicants are not blinded by the lure of "Big City" police life. It should be known both of the pros and cons of the job. Not just what the recruiter says in an interview relating to their transfer. On the other hand, lateral transfers will open up other job opportunities for BPD offciers to "get out" and go to smaller towns and relax from the relentless grind and politics that is the BPD. Again welcome all civil service officer wishing to lateral to the BPD. You are certainly regarded much more than the politically connected BMP, that through the fault of the BPPA are now members of the BPD. As stated though, strength in numbers and the more members the better. The Guardian Angels are here for support, the rumor is they will be riding shotgun for the newest members of the BPD, the now defunct BMP. Qualifications are similar, so every little bit helps! Again....welcome all to the BPD.....be careful what you wish for....

Posted by: HousingCop

Since you like to ASSume that people are on a particular job I happen to occupy and then slam them, I wanted to let everybody on the MC website know what a fool / tool you really are. I am posting your recent PM and my reply to you for all to see. Read it below. As for me being the gift that keeps giving, you seem to be my favorite new chew toy. When I am done with you, I'll just bury you in the back yard along with a few other tools on here who were foolish enough to have a verbal judo match with me.

While I don't agree 100% with what OutOfManyOne said in his previous post, I have to admit there is a degree of truth to what he said. It's only a small percentage who look like garbage while on TV. You've slammed the hardworking members of the Housing & Muni's and I'll step it up a notch if you'd like. I have plenty of ammo here, so keep on opening your pie hole and I will just slam you back with facts & figures, not speculation & conjecture which you have spewed on here in your massive 13 postings. HC

P.S.
check your spelling in your PM's. You sound like a graduate of the Grover Cleveland Middle School in Dorchester.

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Gohome361-We're still not sure who you work for, it is assumed that you were once an muni or housing officer.

Re: Re: Boston PD
I'll shit ice cream out my ass for you in Macy's front window on Washington St downtown if you think that the city will pay that type of money, plus interest & penalties!! Menino, if forced to pay, will lay off as many cops as it takes to pay that amount. You may be the last Boston cop standing if that were to occur.
Now get your facts straight on the Muni's gaining CS status. The L-E-G-I-S-L-A-T-U-R-E bestowed it upon them along with 2,500 other city employees. The city tried to mis-classify them and they fought it and won suing your unions arguments that they were cops doing THEIR functions. Neither the BPPA or the city could say in the same arguments that they were cops and then security. CS saw the blunder and the Muni's profitted from it. Now you have 33 on your dept and 30 more once CS get's it straight.
Send me another PM and I will post it for all to see. I don't PM my arguments, I post them in the forums for all to see and chime in on. HC-M4L

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Originally Posted by GOHOME361
MAN...YOU ARE THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING. I KNOW THE BPPA WON THAT LAWSUIT WORTH AS YOU STATED 20 MILLION. I WAS NOT AWARE OF THE FULL MONEY VALUE. A LITTLE HISTORY FOR YOU MY FRIEND. I WAS ONCE EMPLYED WITH SUFFOLK COUNTY...WE SUES BOB RUFO FOR 15 MIN. OVERTIME BOTH PRIOR ADN AFTER EACH SHIFT. WHEN WE WON WE WERE TOLD HE OWED US APPROX. $750.00. HE APPEALED THIS LAWSUIT FOR 6 YRS. AT THE END OF THE DAY I WAS AWARDED $9,700.00. THE BILL WAS ALMOST 7.5 MILLION....EVERYONE WAS TOLD NO WAT NEVER GOING TO GET THAT MONEY...WELL I DID AS A MATTER OF FACT THEY CALLED ME WHEN I WAS ON BOSTON AND TOLD ME. SO AS FAR AS IT BEING A PIPE DREAM...MAYBE BUT ALL I KNOW IS THAT A FEDERAL JUDGE TOLD RUFO TO PAY AS SOON AS ALL THE LAWSUITS APPEALS WERE EXAUSTED...IT WAS MONEY IN THE BANK EARNING 3.5% INTEREST A DAY...GAIN SUFFOLK COUNTY IS SMALLER WITH SMALLER NUMBERS, BUT I SUBMIT, IT'S ALL RELATIVE...WHAT WOULD BE YOUR REPLY TO THAT M4L? AS YOU SEEM TO GET MORE AGGRAVATED EACH AND EVERY REPLY...
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Originally Posted by HousingCop
I used to work, and live at one time in Charlestown, just scant yards from the bricks which I patroled. Sometimes there were awkward moments in Johnies FoodMaster or DD when I would run into Mr & Mrs Junkie, but I would always be pleasant & say hello to them. Once they escalated the encounter, I would always raise my voice and tell them loudly so that all could hear that next time I caught them with drugs, it was off to A-1 with them. People would stop and stare and eventually the Junkie family would move on after grumbeling a bit. Worked every time.
As a Housing cop, I took a McCann 100 test which makes the CS test look like a Dr Seuss book.
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GOHOME361- I would much rather sit next to a housing officer rather than a muni officer going into any type of priority 1 call, at least housing officers deal with real live people.
Oh, I forgot, the Muni's only dealt with dead and dying people! They worked 10 years in the bricks alongside me. You've earned 20 years of Police work right there.
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GOHOME361 As it stands the BPPA sued the city for work assignments in the housing dev. and won. As a result the Boston municipal police were awarded civil service standing. That being said they earned the right to lateral to any civil service dept. in Mass. As far as Boston police goes I do believe it was a merger,...
You are correct, the BPPA did sue and win a 20 MILLION dollar settlement and if you think the city is going to split 20 MILLION dollars with 1600 Patrolmen, you're sadly mistaken. You'll see Jesus Of Nazareth first before they pay that type of money. The Muni's were awarded CS through the Mass. legislature in 1998 along with 2,900 other city employees. If the Muni's were merged, then they ALL would have come over, not just the cherry picked 32 who now are on the BPD.

Posted by: GOHOME361

Ouch...someone has some issues.....I really thought people on this site were beyond taking issues personal...truly sad.....truly. You need to go back a few postings. I gave all the credit in the world to the BHA officers. I often spoke of their professionalism and dedication. I gave absolutely no credit to the BMP. The ones I know have the mettle to admit that their job is a simple joke and they liked everything the way it was before any word of a merger came about. As a matter of fact, you may be the exception to the rule, as you truly believe that you are on the same level as a legitimate sworn police officer, and that is sad.I don't understand why you cannot admit that once you obtained you position with the BMP that you were beholden to some higher power who knew your family or even donated a large sum of money to one's political campaign. You need a reality check, for I'm not the only oneout there who believes the BMP are store bought armed security. Once again I will say strength in numbers and welcome to the BPD. Oh, I like the way it was conveyed to the BPD command staff to have all the BMP officers listed in a Harrasment Special Order so you could have smooth sailing with the BPD......Nice.....As for the spelling I did admit I was a product of the Boston Public Schools...for the 3rd time...

Posted by: BrickCop

The Muni- merge issue is over already. Is the BPPA still wasting time and money trying to unring that bell?

Housingcop- turn off the bold text it's friggin' annoying.

Posted by: HousingCop

Nah, no issues here GoHome361. Just facts, figures and the straight story. I call 'em as I see 'em. But let me ask you this question.... If I was a Muni at one time (store bought in your opinion) and am now a Housing cop (which you state you have no problems and even I dare say it, respect for) what has changed with me? Ahhhh, nothing. Not a damn thing. Sure, I work in the bricks where some cops won't step foot in by themselves, but how can you compare one job to another and then say one job is a joke while another is the real deal? You're an enigma, wrapped in a mystery.

As for being politically connected to get the Muni job, it was the best $25.00 check I ever wrote to Ray Flynn in the mid 80's. The dividends and benefits ever since have been endless. If it had anything to do with it at all.

If you were one of the SCHC guys who sued Rufo over your 15 minute roll call, then you are a holdover from Deer Island and the Boston Penal Department. That means you were the brightest bulb in the circuit to get that job. And let's not forget how political that job was to recieve at all times. Talk about a F'd up place to work, one of your white shirted Superintendants was once an inmate at Deer Island. It may be before your time but it's kind of hard to shit on one job when your old job was so crooked they could eat soup using a corkscrew!

BrickCop - Deal with it.

Posted by: wgciv

Ummmmmmmm... This thread sucks now!

Posted by: tin63

Yeah, I agree. I thought the thread was Boston Police Accepting Transfers and any info related to that. Not people thinking their keyboard is a flame thrower. Wow, you should work for the Herald with all of the info that you have.

Posted by: Sgt K

My understanding is that one group is going this Saturday at 9 am for an orientation at headquarters and the second group is being done Tuesday the 10th at 3 pm, same location. The sessions are scheduled for three hours and include a follicle drug test.

Posted by: alphadog1

We have guys from my job going Saturday for the orientation.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

So, out of 185 positions only 160 people applied for the laterals, probably 40 will get on if that. If BPD was such a good thing I think more people would have signed up.

Posted by: alphadog1

Or maybe their police chief would not sign off on the lateral to BPD?

Posted by: mikemac64

Maybe there is 155 applicants, and 90 spots. Maybe.....

Posted by: GOHOME361

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Originally Posted by BrickCop

It will be intersting to hear the BPPA's take on this. They'll obviously be opposed to it but will they make the claim that the laterals coming in are not qualified like they did with the Munis?

M4L....I hope the last posting helped.....We all need to get along....after all we're side by side working w/ one another....The crime will always be there....no matter what....The workload will be same for the BPD officers as it always has been since we started...It will increase slightly for the old BMP (wink wink ). We're all on the same team now....no matter how it happened, it did and that's that. I only hope it works out for the BMP who came. I was talking to a fella in B-2 who said that approx. 4-7 fmr BMP officers are out injured and numerous utilize #4590 (sick line ) on a daily basis. Glad to see you guys adapted accordingly. You will find out that "out injured" is the best job on the BPD. And we use it just the same. As far as all the comments on being a "store bought" job as a muni are not allowed within the confines of the BPD due to the new special order police "harrasment" but we can still joke about it on here

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

So out of 155 people showing up tomorrow how many do you think will actually get on. I don't see more than 50 making it through and getting on for various reasons.

Posted by: GOHOME361

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Originally Posted by GOHOME361

There is a huge difference between civil service police officer and a member of the BMP. The BPPA already has made it quite clear that they would welcome any qualified civil service police officer tp their ranks. The BPPA had a real issue with members of the BMP as they were/are not police officers. The BPPA was not thrilled with the fact that BMP did not take any competitive exam to obtain their job. Thet felt that untimately the BMP circumvented the process and bought their employment, as much of them did in the past. Yes BMP are civil service by virtue of a lawsuit, and nothing more. Because you wear a badge and a uniform that Mayor Menino gave to you on the arm doesn't make you a police officer. The case has been settled and the BMP won civil service, so now they are accepted. Strenght in numbers. True civil service police officers have always been welcome by the BPPA.....

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Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

So out of 155 people showing up tomorrow how many do you think will actually get on. I don't see more than 50 making it through and getting on for various reasons.

I think the majority will be accepted. You do not realize how bad the BPD are hurting for qualified police officer. As of today's date, there are little over 1K applicants for the job, that's sad! You need to realize that no one wants the BPD job for the main reason of the Residency Law. No one wants to live in Boston. There is a large at. of Boston police offciers leaving the job solely bacause if residency. Thay have families they need to raise, and are choosing not to in Boston. Some lie about where they live and the brass knows exactly who they are, and you will see as soon as the #'s go up on the BPD, all breaking the law will be notified the hard way of their future with the BPD. I hope all the new applicants realize, and think real hard about this job with the BPD. Living in the city is awful and can only get worse. So i thinkall who apply barrinng crazy IAD files will eb accepted w/ open arms...As stated...no one wants this job

Posted by: mikemac64

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Originally Posted by GOHOME361

there are little over 1K applicants for the job, that's sad!

You should clarify it is 1000 signed up to take the next test and 155 (or so) apply for transfer.

We were told by our Chief that Boston won't do quit/rehires. Your appointing authority will have to sign off on the transfer. I am not sure if this is true, but it was explained Commissioner Davis feels guilty about raiding towns. He shouldn't, as most towns don't feel guilty taking from each other or laying off and cutting back unfilled positions.

I think this may be a good wake up call for a lot of communitues.

For many towns, the appointing authority is the Selectmen/Council/Etc, and not the Police Chief.

I don't know how true that is, but that is what we were told in our building.

Posted by: gooday

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Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

So, out of 185 positions only 160 people applied for the laterals, probably 40 will get on if that. If BPD was such a good thing I think more people would have signed up.

I think the fact that you have to live in the city is why so few put in for the transfer. If you have a wife and kids who are comfortable where they are then how could you force them to make such a critical life change. I think if anyone who lives outside the city that put in for the lateral most likely wont have kids or previously ownsa house outside the city. If I had the chance I would take that job in a heart beat. I would sell my house and go. Remember though if you are comfotable where you are on a P.D stay there because the grass always seems greener some where else until you go and its to late.

Posted by: mikemac64

So...what happened today??

Posted by: tin63

There were a total of 263 lateral applicants. They did not say how many laterals they were going to take. But they did make one thing clear. If you don't plan on moving yourself and your whole family into the city then don't even apply. If they catch you trying to scam the system with a mattress pad apartment, they will fire you and you will be out of your old job and Boston.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

SO why can't you have two residences, an apartment and a home somewhere else?

Posted by: HousingCop

Quote:

Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

SO why can't you have two residences, an apartment and a home somewhere else?

How dare you scam the system and make a mockery of Menino's Plantation!
How dare you be prosperous and have 2 residences within our fair state!

A quick hypothetical question for the crowd..... If you are a Cape cop on a CS department and decide to lateral, why should you have to sell your Cape residence? Why not use it as a summer home or retreat on your days off? Remember, they own YOU, not your wife and family.

Posted by: tin63

I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that it may be a very long commute from boston to the cape every day. And on the flip side why would you want to be away from your family for four days straight.

Posted by: Mitpo62

Quote:

Originally Posted by tin63

I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that it may be a very long commute from boston to the cape every day. And on the flip side why would you want to be away from your family for four days straight.

After 25 years of marriage, I have an answer for that!

Posted by: CodeBlue1970

Why would any Officer with time on the job in a city or town want to lateral into Boston anyways?

That would mean they would start off with no senority, at the bottom of the pay scale and have to stay in Boston until they retire?

Plus, how many police chiefs out there are going to sign off to let these officers lateral over into Boston anyways. That would mean every city and town would loose out on officers that they paid to train and not to mention leaving that city or town short handed with the transfers. I bet after this lateral transfer with boston taking all of them, towns will make it manditory for new recruits to sign some type of contract that they have to spend a certain number of years in that town before applying to other towns or cities.

Just my opinion

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by CodeBlue1970

Plus, how many police chiefs out there are going to sign off to let these officers lateral over into Boston anyways.

Those chiefs will be more than happy to sign laterals to get rid of some of their dead weight and/or problem children, something the BPD will most likely find out the hard way.

Posted by: GOHOME361

Quote:

Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

SO why can't you have two residences, an apartment and a home somewhere else?

Quote:

Originally Posted by gooday

It's obvious that you have no idea about living in Boston, with a family or without. It's clear that some officers are blinded about being a BPD officer. It's not what one thinks....Why do you think so many are leaving? It's mostly about resdiening in Boston, but it's not the whole reason. I have been on for the betterpart of 13 yrs....I lost count how many officers left this job, as I said mostly because of residency, but it's not the whole reason my man..

Posted by: smd6169

GOHOME361, do you have anything positive to say about BPD or Boston? Yes, I do live and work here.

Posted by: GOHOME361

Quote:

Originally Posted by smd6169

GOHOME361, do you have anything positive to say about BPD or Boston? Yes, I do live and work here.

Why ask then....you should already know the answer to that my friend. If you like it in Boston why ask then....All I said it was negative to reside here and by all accounts I and fellow officers fell that the BPD is not the best game in town. If ot fits for you good luck my man. The BPD need more officers like yourself....Good luck..

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

I don't see BPD officers lateraling out of Boston to other PDs so it can't be all that bad. The $$$ however is not all that, unless they paid $95+ base like Quincy and MSP then why would you want to go to BPD for $60+k with Quinn.

Posted by: GOHOME361

Quote:

Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

I don't see BPD officers lateraling out of Boston to other PDs so it can't be all that bad. The $$$ however is not all that, unless they paid $95+ base like Quincy and MSP then why would you want to go to BPD for $60+k with Quinn.

Well therein lies the problem. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not happening. As a matter of fact since 1995 the BPD has lost well over 40 officers to other police departments as well as other professions. Also, we have lost 10+ to various fire departments throughout the state. I can't understand why a young officer would come to Boston other than the excitement factor. As you stated the pay is not all that. I am not bitter, please don't think I am. I have a nice job within the dept. Took a while to get it but I do have it. Unless you work for BPD you prob. will not understand...it's not just us against the criminal, it's us against the command staff commish, and the Mayor. Even the BPPA is not all it's cracked up to be. Look it up....Good luck

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

So it's kinda like the Shield .

Posted by: smd6169

Off topic here but Quincy pays 95K base a year? What rank and how many years on?

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

I think with a Master's Degree and 15 % shift differential that is an accurate salary and i think they get some OT automatic every week for studying. Delta chime in buddy.

Posted by: tin63

Can any Boston Officers state what the top step pay is before Quinn and Night Diff. Also, how long it takes to get to top step. I have heard that it is about 60K at top step BEFORE Quinn and Night Diff. but no one seems to know for sure.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

I heard it was 62-67 with Quinn and diff. Don't know.

Posted by: BrickCop

My friend went to the orientation (Lateral applicant) at HQ. He stated that it was made perfectly clear that having a duel suburbia/Boston address wouldn't fly with the residency requirement. How can they enforce that when the Commisoner is doing the same thing?

Posted by: 94c

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrickCop

My friend went to the orientation (Lateral applicant) at HQ. He stated that it was made perfectly clear that having a duel suburbia/Boston address wouldn't fly with the residency requirement. How can they enforce that when the Commisoner is doing the same thing?

The commissione is not civil service and he doesn't need the Boston Police contract. He has his own.

Posted by: Robert35

Top pay after 3 years is without Degree for days is 60,868.18, nights 62,276.09 with Degree add 10% Associates, 20% Bachelors and 25% Masters/JD. So with a Bachelors Degree and Days would be 73,041.78. about 1400.00 week. Shift dif is 63.88 Holidays 271.50 Uniform is still only 650.00 year. This is under the old Contract expired July 2006. Waiting on a new contract.

Posted by: JeffC

Quote:

Originally Posted by smd6169

Off topic here but Quincy pays 95K base a year? What rank and how many years on?

Not quite....a patrolman on nights with a Masters degree will come in around 80K base, but it's not hard to get to 95K if you're a worker, and we've been without a contract for 10 months.

Posted by: BrickCop

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94c

The commissione is not civil service and he doesn't need the Boston Police contract. He has his own.

Yeah- I was just thinking that Davis wouldn't be as apt to bust balls if he were doing the same thing.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

I don't see BPD officers lateraling out of Boston to other PDs so it can't be all that bad.

To lateral, you need the blessing of both the PD you're leaving, and the PD you're going to. Do you really think Ed Davis is going to sign-off on laterals with the current situation?

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffC

Not quite....a patrolman on nights with a Masters degree will come in around 80K base, but it's not hard to get to 95K if you're a worker, and we've been without a contract for 10 months.

That's about right.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffC

Not quite....a patrolman on nights with a Masters degree will come in around 80K base, but it's not hard to get to 95K if you're a worker, and we've been without a contract for 10 months.

Is that top step? I remember a few of my academy instructors at Weymouth were sergeants in Quincy and with master's degree quinn they were still getting the old 30% , their salary was around $120K, that was six years ago.

Posted by: SoxGirl49

Quote:

Originally Posted by GOHOME361

Already starting....Akk the smaller town police officers, you were all told about living in the city. You were all warned about it and how much of a stupid move it would be moving into this dump called Boston! As far has two places to live, don't you think 700 BPD offciers have thought of that? They have a list of violators and have not acted upon it as of yet, it's been said it's only a matter of time! They have the new 33 BMP officers just got out of the academy, and out of all those they have 7 that are lying about where they live. City may seem complacent on this issue, but believe this, they are not. They know much more than you think. If you care so little for your family, then come on down and sign up my friend!

It's obvious that you have no idea about living in Boston, with a family or without. It's clear that some officers are blinded about being a BPD officer. It's not what one thinks....Why do you think so many are leaving? It's mostly about resdiening in Boston, but it's not the whole reason. I have been on for the betterpart of 13 yrs....I lost count how many officers left this job, as I said mostly because of residency, but it's not the whole reason my man..

Boston is a dump? I live in Boston. Have you visited other cities in the U.S.? Because I've seen some dumps, and Boston is definitely not one of them. You could do a hell of a lot worse than living and working in Boston. You seem to truly despise it though, why don't you move someplace else? It seems to me the quality of your life would improve dramatically if you moved out of this city that you are so disgusted with.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

Sergeants have a 23% differential over a patrol officer, but even with a 30% Quinn, $120,000 is quite a stretch for a sergeant's base, especially 6 years ago.

Surprise, surprise....your instructors lied to you.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Quote:

Surprise, surprise....your instructors lied to you.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, darn it Glynn and Santoro.

Posted by: tin63

So does anybody know if the "official" "unofficial" number of lateral transfers Boston is going to take is 60 like the rumor mill is saying.

Posted by: Macop

To lateral, you need the blessing of both the PD you're leaving, and the PD you're going to. Do you really think Ed Davis is going to sign-off on laterals with the current situation?

No, if a P.D wants you they can hire you without the blessing of your current chief, I have seen it happen with more than a few officers.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Yes, you have to quit your current PD. If you do, none of your vacation,sick time and seniority transfers to the other PD. Start from scratch.

Posted by: mikemac64

Quote:

Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

Yes, you have to quit your current PD. If you do, none of your vacation,sick time and seniority transfers to the other PD. Start from scratch.

Not entirely true. You lose your department seniority, but your civil service seniority kicks back in after 3 years. If you are a DVET then you are lay off proof wherever you go inside of civil service (I think).

In most cases you can negotiate what pay step you come in at. This is also true for vacation time though less probable. I have never heard of anyone carrying sick time to a new department.

Like anything else, it depends on your negotiating position. If it is a really sought after job, you will not have much bargaining power. Some departments will honor your time for pay as a rule just because of your experience.

Posted by: Robert35

Word out is that 200 put in for the lateral Transfers. The Recruit Investigation unit is told to process them all. They Said that most of them will be taken unless something shows up on their Records. So the figure is more like 160 to 180 coming on board.

Posted by: 1811

287 applied but are dropping like flies because of residency and the Initial Application Packet demands. I was told they want to take 80-90 laterals, but 50 is more realistic because people get lazy and don't want to finish the process.

If you were called and have the motivation, your odds are great.

Posted by: mpdcam

Besides the residencey thing, what were the application demands that would cause people to turn it down?

Posted by: Robert35

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpdcam

Besides the residencey thing, what were the application demands that would cause people to turn it down?

1. No Letter from their Chief's to Lateral over.
2. Have to start with no Seniority
3. Your Vacation is 2 weeks to Start
4. Carry over your Retirement and that's about it.
5. Lose your Sick time start from day one.
6. Have to move into the City, some think they (City) won't enforce it just wait a few weeks when you see they let some officers that are being check into go.

287 put in the paperwork but most of them are dropping out of the game because of the reasons above and not doing all the paperwork.

Posted by: ratwatcher

How does the process of applying go?

Posted by: BrickCop

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert35

Robert- about #6....

Do you think it would be political suicide for the Mayor or Davis to be canning cops (who are already on BPD) because of residency particularly with the crime headlines nowadays? I realize they went after cops for this in the past but I thought the resi-nazi philosophy was changing.

I could see if a cop was open flaunting living in the burbs but for the city to proactively seek out the guys who are otherwise doing a great job seems a bit foolish.

Posted by: gooday

I did hear from a friend that they did can some people not to long ago. Thats a big gamble with your career. If you already have a job and the let you go for this purpose you may not be able to go back were you came from. Be carefull you dont need a nightmare like that.

Posted by: AdamJ1984

My question is do you have to live in just the city of Boston, or within the whole district which would include Dorchester, Roxbury, Hyde Park, etc? If that is the case, I will certainly put Boston as a choice when I take the test next month. For me being young and starting off, it would be perfectly fine for me, as I want to get into the professional so badly.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamJ1984

My question is do you have to live in just the city of Boston, or within the whole district which would include Dorchester, Roxbury, Hyde Park, etc?

That is the City of Boston.

Posted by: AdamJ1984

I have a few close friends who live in hyde park and mission hill and it is not exactly boston (address and zip), I know what you mean how they consider it within the city, but it's really not. Try finding reasonable housing in the city of boston versus dorchester, I know not the best place, but there are some to be found.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamJ1984

I have a few close friends who live in hyde park and mission hill and it is not exactly boston, I know what you mean how they consider it within the city, but it's really not. Try finding reasonable housing in the city of boston versus dorchester, I know not the best place, but there are some to be found.

When your friends call 911, who shows-up? The Hyde Park Police? The Mission Hill Fire Department?

I worked in Boston for 6 years.....trust me, they're part of the City of Boston.

Posted by: AdamJ1984

Yeah I know the 10 or so districts that the BPD cover, it's quite obvious there is no Roxbury or Dorchester Police, my question is does the address need to by XXXX BOSTON, MA?

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamJ1984

Yeah I know the 10 or so districts that the BPD cover, it's quite obvious there is no Roxbury or Dorchester Police, my question is does the address need to by XXXX BOSTON, MA?

Absolutely NOT. I have two friends on BPD and they reside in West Roxbury.

Posted by: lofu

What is "Boston" if it's not all the neighborhoods? If the BOSTON Police respond, then it's part of Boston and you can live there.

Posted by: alphadog1

AdamJ1984

Yeah I know the 10 or so districts that the BPD cover, it's quite obvious there is no Roxbury or Dorchester Police, my question is does the address need to by XXXX BOSTON, MA[quote]

WOW!!! You better worry about passing the test next month.

Posted by: AdamJ1984

Yeah, I'll have trouble passing for sure, just like the GRE's and finishing in the top 1% of my class. It was a simple question about residency as people moan about the high costs of living. Well no kidding, look where you live, if you want cheap living, go to Arkansas. I was just curious as I found many reasonable and moderately safe places in W. Roxbury and Dorchester.

Oh, and I'm not here to pick fights, never have, never will, as there are more important things than insulting people on of all things a message board.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamJ1984

Yeah I know the 10 or so districts that the BPD cover, it's quite obvious there is no Roxbury or Dorchester Police, my question is does the address need to by XXXX BOSTON, MA?

Roxbury and Dorchester are neighborhoods in the City of Boston. Living there would be like living in Manhattan or Queens....you're still in New York City.

Posted by: AdamJ1984

OK, great, that's all I was asking. It was simple enough.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamJ1984

OK, great, that's all I was asking. It was simple enough.

You can find out a bit about each neighborhood here;

http://www.cityofboston.gov/neighborhoods/

Posted by: Robert35

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrickCop

Good point but when we were told of this, this past week we informed our Officers at our station to Make sure they understand it. They say if you live in the city 5 days of work and go somewhere else that's on your own time. But when the City sends out Investigators and knocks on the door of a out of the city address and you answer it.?????????? They should just throw out the Residency but you know how that goes. We hope to get the 10 year deal in the new contract.

Posted by: D421

Recruit Investigations was specifically told at a meeting today that they will be checking on the residency status of the new officers, including after they are hired in July. Everyone was made perfectly clear what the rule was, how to abide by it, and the consequences of violating it. The city does not care how great of a cop you are, the failure to follow the rule will result in termination, low numbers or not. All of the current officers are waiting to see whether the city will allow the laterals to break the rule and the floodgates will open. When I was hired I knew the rule and am perfectly happy where I live. I can understand why some want to live outside.

Posted by: tin63

I have been hearing that Boston is only going to take a maximum of two lateral transfers from each department. Does anybody have any further information on this?

Posted by: alphadog1

Why would they only take two? Does not make sense... as long as the current chief signs off on the lateral.

Posted by: BrickCop

I heard it's because Davis doesn't want to deplete the smaller PDs of guys seeking to lateral to BPD.

Posted by: alphadog1

A chief from any PD has the authority to say "no" to a lateral transfer, according to civil service law. You need both chiefs to sign off on the lateral.

Posted by: Robert35

Quote:

Originally Posted by tin63

I have been hearing that Boston is only going to take a maximum of two lateral transfers from each department. Does anybody have any further information on this?

This was brought up at a meeting last week. Some Depts had more than two officers put in the paperwork. The Chief from the Sending Dept stated he could only spare two officers. The Depts were Brookline and Milton. But Brickcop is also right that Davis does not want to make the other depts short. Also when the other Depts have to hire, the Former BMP officers that did not get onto Boston are on top of that list too.

Posted by: j809

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert35

How can they start you with 2 weeks of vacation when you transfer your time. Under CS rules, when you lateral and both departments sign off on the transfer your sick time and vacation can transfer over. Now if you have 10 years on the job on one PD and transfer to BPD ,then you should accumulate your vacation at a rate of 4 weeks per year. Shame on BPPA for allowing this to happen and I am sure it is going to open up another can of worms when all these new guys put a class action suit against the City. Even when you go to MSP you accumulate vacation at the rate you were when you came from another state or municipal agency.

Posted by: CodeBlue1970

I asked the same question and was told from HR that only City of Boston time counts. If you worked in any other city of boston dept then your time transfers over.

Posted by: Robert35

Quote:

Originally Posted by j809

They state this is it. Under CS rules when you get 3 years on the job (BPD) then if a layoff were to take place your CS time would count against any layoffs, for time on CS, which I could never see happen (layoffs). The City time if you work for the city would count for Vac, ETC... but not the time from another municipal agency. Just telling what was told to us. Don't blame the BPPA talk to the HR at the CS level they are the ones with the rules not the BPPA.

Posted by: alphadog1

Your vacation & sick time do not count, unless there's language in the CBA or the city/town has an by-law/ordinance that grants your time from another PD. CS time only counts towards layoffs, demotion, etc...after three years.

Posted by: j809

Well I know a friend of mine that lateraled from one CS PD to another. Everything transfered over and then less than a year later, he didn't like it there, he lateraled back and got everything back. My understanding is that if you quit, that is your Chief doesn't sign your lateral papers, then you don't transfer anything to the new PD. This was the case a couple of years ago when a few guys wanted to go frm Leominster to Worcester. LPD Chief said no to transfer and WPD told them quit and get hired the next day but nothing transfers over. That is why they call it a lateral move.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamJ1984

I have a few close friends who live in hyde park and mission hill and it is not exactly boston (address and zip), I know what you mean how they consider it within the city, but it's really not. Try finding reasonable housing in the city of boston versus dorchester, I know not the best place, but there are some to be found.

Hyde Park, Mission Hill, Dorchester, Brighton etc are parts of Boston, Massachusetts. If you talking about Boston England or Hyde Park England---which is in London they are no way near Boston MA or each other for that matter. Now if your talking about Dorchester England is countrified and is not the same "Dorchester" as Dorchester MA which is in Boston MA which has a lot more guns and violence. Brighton England is a tourist beach resort compared too Brighton MA which is a large heavy populated area. So you may have a hike to get to work!!!!

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Posted by: AdamJ1984

Hey Irish, love the picture of The Head Detective, classic skit. Oh yeah, I wish the concord still flew because that might cut down on travel time.

Posted by: tin63

Did anybody who went to do the backgrounds over the weekend hear a definitive number of lateral transfers that Boston is looking to take. I know that there are still about 150 applicants still going forward in the process.

Posted by: GOHOME361

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Originally Posted by Irish Wampanoag

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There is no doubt that Hyde Park, Ma. and Mission Hill are Boston. They are considered neighborhoods in Bosto, not "Boston Proper". That would be downtown Boston IE Financial District Roxbiry and the like. Hyde Park is surrounded by Milton and Dedham. There is a subsection of Hyde Park called Readville, Ma. (02137). It is a real disreable place to live. It is the absolute furtherst south you can get from downtown Boston. I have a 4 bedroom 2 full bath home in Readville if anyone is doing a lateral x-fer to BPD. I am leaving to a smaller town once our contract is settled and residency is not a part of it! Please let me know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert35

Ummm.....2weeks to start then up to 4 weeks after 8 yrs then 5 weeks at like 18.5

Quote:

Originally Posted by CodeBlue1970

I asked the same question and was told from HR that only City of Boston time counts. If you worked in any other city of boston dept then your time transfers over.

Retirement only.......towards 32 yrs....You start off day one w/ BPD and thats that

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert35

10 yrs. and out is not part of the process as of today's date....If offered it will be the last ditch efforrt..Menino wants cops in the neighborhood because thats what his voters want plain and simple. As far as getting ratted out, most BPD cops the have to live in Boston have been ratted out by cops wives. As a new officer you are the last one who should try to skirt it. Many officer jave been outtin up wuth this for 13 yrs and if u are found out not doing the right thing, you can be sure that they will advise IAD about same

Quote:

Originally Posted by gooday

I did hear from a friend that they did can some people not to long ago. Thats a big gamble with your career. If you already have a job and the let you go for this purpose you may not be able to go back were you came from. Be carefull you dont need a nightmare like that.

I am with the BPD. Make no mistake..they will get you. Everyone rats on everyone. The command staff knows that it's residency that is hurti ng the Dept. They don't want to be the ones to say it. As for getting pinched living outside, you can bet that the BPD will forward a letter about integrity viloations as well as lying on the application as well as lying on a daily basis....No way will they let you back on your parent job...Not if the BPD can help it!

Posted by: AdamJ1984

Gohome, great amount of information, thank-you very much for it, that pertaining to my post and those of others.

Posted by: Robert35

[quote=GOHOME361]
10 yrs. and out is not part of the process as of today's date....If offered it will be the last ditch efforrt..Menino wants cops in the neighborhood because thats what his voters want plain and simple. As far as getting ratted out, most BPD cops the have to live in Boston have been ratted out by cops wives. As a new officer you are the last one who should try to skirt it. Many officer jave been outtin up wuth this for 13 yrs and if u are found out not doing the right thing, you can be sure that they will advise IAD about same Quote]

Just to let you know I am not a new officer I have over 22 years on the job so I am not bound by the Residency Rules. I live in the city by my choice but I do think the officers should not be bound by the Residency Rule and the 10 year offer was for the Civilian contract. Our union is trying to get it but they will also like to see it thrown out (no Residency Requirement) But as you know the Mayor wants votes and what better way than to keep the officers in the City.

Posted by: alphadog1

Don't forget all the transfers will get their original civil service appointment date back after three years w/the BPD. This is used for layoffs, reduction in rank, etc...

Posted by: dayshift

Does the Boston Police Department have the Holyoke Vacation Plan or the five day vaction week? Thank You.

Posted by: tin63

I don't believe that they have the Holyoke vacation plan.

Posted by: Clancy Wiggum

Any dept have detailed info on Holyoke? Looking for this down the line.

Posted by: Polizei

Well, they have finally smartened up and realized that there are good Cops who reside out of the city. Unfortunately they still require that you live in Boston. For those of us that have a nice house already and have settled down there, this just isn't worth it. Hopefully when they hire laterals in the future they will do away with the stupid residence requirement so they can attract better candidates.

Posted by: GOHOME361

Quote:

Originally Posted by tin63

Did anybody who went to do the backgrounds over the weekend hear a definitive number of lateral transfers that Boston is looking to take. I know that there are still about 150 applicants still going forward in the process.

I was just at BPD HQ on Wednesday. I spoke to the dept.doctor who stated that 231 laterals came to apply and as of the 15th that nember was down to 91. She stated that it was because of bacround checks as well as issues within their own departments. She stated that the BPD would be lucky to have 25-35 viable candidates for the job openings. She said this going by past medical reviews. She stated that not all will pass both the physical as well as the psych. As for the main issue, it was residency....not all applicants were prepared for the BPD to actually make a candidate move into Boston. It was common knowledge that applicants didn'tthink the BPD were serious and thought they would get a "Mattress Address" but were told that they would be outted by their fellow officers...It was everyones big dream to come to the BPD......but none really thoughtof the huge cost it would incure (Residency). As for the ones that are still going to come and lie about where you are living....don't fret you too will be found out like the 40-50 BPD officers and the 8-10 brand new muni officers "Living" in Dorchester by way of Quincy, Weymouth Marshfield and the like....Good luvk my friends!

Posted by: CodeBlue1970

I also heard that the Psy Docs are failing alot of candiates. So good luck to the BPD getting anyone to join under the residency requirement and psy docs..

Posted by: HousingCop

Quote:

Originally Posted by GOHOME361

Thanks for the update GoHome361. Why don't you just tell everybody who you know who lives outside the city that you're posting about them on this open bulletin board. I am sure they have a blanket & a party waiting for you in the stationhouse parking lot at midnight. Internal Affairs is probably a good place for you. Want some cheese?

Posted by: GOHOME361

Good news to all lateral transfers.........Contract came to a tent. agreement...The only thing that matters is that there is language for a ten year residency quote....That means you have to reside in Boston for the 1st ten years then can move.....That being said.........................................

Attention....Attention.......Attention............ ...............................

Ask around, there are only a few good places to reside in Boston....The majority of West Roxbury....Fairmount Hill Hyde Park.....St. Brendan's, Dorchester.......Allston / Brighton ( long commute) Some parts of Neponset, Dorchester..Cettin parts of Charlestown (Parking) And the furthest southen tip of Boston ...Readville (Copland), Ma.

I have a 3 bedroom 2 full bath finished basement used for my two children, decent size backyard...and a clean safe neighborhood....Email me me for a fair price....

Posted by: alphadog1

I have a 3 bedroom 2 full bath finished basement used for my two children, decent size backyard...and a clean safe neighborhood....Email me me for a fair price....[/quote]

So when are you transfering out of the BPD?

Posted by: GOHOME361

Quote:

Originally Posted by HousingCop

You have to remember wh were the members of the original snoop troop (Residency Snitches)for Mayor Menino....ahhh....yes.....I think you should tell it to all the members out there...and please be honest.........

Posted by: LA Copper

I still can't believe that in 2007, the City still requires residency, especially considering how small the Boston is, area wise. I'm so glad we don't have to live in the City, and ours is about five times bigger!

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Screw Boston, I couldn't afford the paycut anyways.

Posted by: HousingCop

Quote:

Originally Posted by GOHOME361

Two Suffolk County C/O's were hired for that job and were paid from the Public Facilities payroll. Just because one of your BPD Deputy Superintendants gave them Municipal Police badges and an unmarked car doesn't make them Muni's. Makes them RATS in mine and everybody elses book. And yes, they made the mistake of lumping in their checks with our payroll. Try cashing a check that's in 100+ pieces is quite a hard thing to do. If I am given a Boston PD badge, does that make me a Boston cop? Nope. Same applies.

Shortly afterwards, the union complained and the badges were taken away. They then left disillusioned because they were promised Cadet status but were given the high hard one. As I recall, one was a union rep in YOUR union in the EMS division for a while.

That my friend is the plain, unvarnished truth. I just call 'em as I see 'em.

Posted by: rmv168

Anyone have information on the number of laterals still in the process or how many they are hiring? I have heard several different numbers for the hires ranging from as few as two to as many as seventy-five.

Posted by: T4567

I have a friend still going through and he said there are about 80 people still in it.

Posted by: alphadog1

I hear they have scheduled PATs in Hudson.

Posted by: O-302

Good luck to all who transferred. They start tomorrow in the classroom.

Posted by: alphadog1

How many laterals made it?

Posted by: mpdcam

58 start tomorrow

Posted by: T4567

Wow, that is it. That is not a lot.

Posted by: alphadog1

I know of several PDs where the Chief wouldn't sign off on the lateral.

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