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Crown Vic vs. Hyundai (Hyundai wins)

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Posted by: Gil

Anybody else have the problem of seeing a bad guy try to screw on you and when you hit the gas all of the sudden your cruiser has a top speed of 30 MPH?

I went to go after a car last night and my vic felt like either:

A: the tranny did not want to shift.

or

B: felt like I flooded the system and the car shut off the gas.

The only way I could get any speed out of the car was to feather the accelarater almost letting off when it was supposed to shift.

This has happed to four of our cruisers over the last month, anybody else having this problem?




Posted by: rpdmounted

Gil, our 2002 just had the same problem (well, similar anyway). Guy went to gun the gas, and it died as soon as he did. Went to the shop, diagnosed as bad coil packs. All of them had to be replaced to the tune of $600.00 +.

2002 CV with 68,000 on it. Just my 2 cents.....


Posted by: mikefo

Hi Gil,

I know there is a recall on all the crown vics for just this problem. The fix is they open a portal in the floor boards so you can stick your feet down and run after the offending vehicle. Good Luck.

Mike


Posted by: Gil

I just knew FORD would take care of us with a recall


Posted by: rhl

Let's face it, Crown Vics suck! They are merely family sedans with blue lights. I drive a 2001 fully marked. It's top speed is only about 127mph with quite a bit of unsteadiness. The Chevy Caprice I turned it back in 01 hit 130 during a chase and still had more gas pedal to spare. It was tight at any speed, on any road. The Chevy was a REAL police car. The Ford is a dog! rhl


Posted by: Wolfman

A dog, agreed, but...

A sharp-looking dog!





Posted by: j809

I don't know Masstrooper, this cruiser here looks pretty mean.


P.S. Hate those center caps, get the full wheel covers back on


Posted by: Gil

Quote:
Originally Posted by rpdmounted
Gil, our 2002 just had the same problem (well, similar anyway). Guy went to gun the gas, and it died as soon as he did. Went to the shop, diagnosed as bad coil packs. All of them had to be replaced to the tune of $600.00 +.

2002 CV with 68,000 on it. Just my 2 cents.....
That's what it was, bad coil packs. Mechanic says it's all fixed now but he has been wrong before (many many times before) We'll see.


Posted by: Wolfman

Quote:
Originally Posted by MPD71
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P.S. Hate those center caps, get the full wheel covers back on
Funny you should mention that, after losing 3 full wheelcovers in 2 weeks last winter, I finally broke down and bought a set of new style covers (they stay on with wire hoops instead of the metal claws) and installed them last week. Let's hope they stay on longer...


Posted by: j809

Yeah, I had a 2000 CV and had problems with them, especially the squeak squeak. The OEM with no Ford emblem in the center seem to be great. I got a 03 CV with those funky wheel covers that screw on to the lug nuts. You should be up for a replacement CV anytime now.


Posted by: mpd61

Hey Gil!

I have an 2001 Hyundai XG300. I'll come over and drag you when I get off shift some night. It's really a neat car. Looks like Jimmy's Crown Vic that raped a Volvo S60 and this was the bastard result. It does get up and go good.


Posted by: patsfan

Quote:
rhl: The Chevy Caprice I turned it back in 01 hit 130 during a chase and still had more gas pedal to spare.

Yikes.... :no:


Posted by: rhl

Two summers ago, I took a visiting British officer (Dorsett County, UK) on patrol. Before going out to the Chevy Caprice, I talked up the muscle it had and how well it handled. We went out back to the car, I puffed up my chest and proudly asked, "What do you drive?" I figured he drove a roller skate with a two stroke motor. "Oh, I drive a Volvo 850 Turbo on patrol." I almost sh_t! My jaw dropped when he said he's had it up to 150 MPH (not KPH)! Later that morning, we chased a crotch rocket MC. It took over 17 miles just to catch up at 130, but we got the job done. The guy on the MC flashed a badge, but that's another story for another time. I hear the Intrepid police package is a dog too. Any other info on them? rhl


Posted by: HeavyDooty

i think Chevy should bring back the v8 engine options in thier cruiser packages (9C1?). The v6 they offer just doesnt cut it. They are fine for local town and city patrol, but they suck for overall chase/open response power.

as for the crown vics, you get good batches and bad batches. ive seen a 1992 CV go 170K+ with no problems, and that car was tooled on by all the rookies. ive also seen a 2001 with only 20K need a new tranny. there are many factors in determining how well the car will hold up, obviously one of them being the abuse it takes.

The gearing in the CVs versus the 91-96 caprice was higher, hence the top speeds being slightly different. Overall, the Caprice was a better pursuit car.


Posted by: davemcs

I'll pass on the CV P71...and stick with my Chevy Caprice 9C1...unmarked to boot!




Posted by: Gil

Quote:
Originally Posted by davemcs
I'll pass on the CV P71...and stick with my Chevy Caprice 9C1...unmarked to boot!
Looks like a VASP cruiser in the background and a VA inspection sticker on the unmarked.


Posted by: RPD931

MT 1 ... Sharp Cruiser.

H50, Where is that Hyundai Cruiser from?


Posted by: davemcs

GIL wins on the VASP two toned cruiser...The other is unmarked PASP....


Posted by: PATS246

We have a 2001 CV with 65,000. It ran pretty good up until it hit about 30,00. Now it has lost all of its get up and go. You hit the gas and wait for it to kick in. Handles like crap. Another one is a 2002 CV with alot of balls, handles real tight and good acceleration, then we have explorers that are only good for snow driving.


Posted by: Wolfman

Quote:
Originally Posted by GPD11
We have a 2001 CV with 65,000. It ran pretty good up until it hit about 30,00. Now it has lost all of its get up and go. You hit the gas and wait for it to kick in. Handles like crap. Another one is a 2002 CV with alot of balls, handles real tight and good acceleration, then we have explorers that are only good for snow driving.
Clean the MAF sensor and change out the plugs and coil wires. Disconnect the battery for about a half hour to reset the computer and see if that helps. Won't do anything for the handling though.

Also, be sure to change the transmission fluid (not just in the pan, drain the torque converter as well) every 30K, replace with Mercon V. BIG difference.


Posted by:

While you are all driving marked up cruisers, I'll be Pimpin in my Hoop 'D ride in low pro. Notice you cant see any lights there all deep deep under cover.




Posted by: mopar6972

Parking in a handicapped spot really adds to the "under undercover " look


Posted by:

Quote:
Originally Posted by mopar6972
Parking in a handicapped spot really adds to the "under undercover " look

You cant see it in the picture but in the next handicap spot over is a brand new marked MSP cruiser.


Posted by: NACop

Looks like it's painted in "Union1" yellow.



Posted by: Wolfman

Quote:
Originally Posted by mopar6972
Parking in a handicapped spot really adds to the "under undercover " look
Anyone who would do that to a car is obviously handicapped - in some degree.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
You cant see it in the picture but in the next handicap spot over is a brand new marked MSP cruiser.



Posted by: Seagull

My my, what big eyes you have....the better to see you with!



Posted by: VTCOP

We have been having big issues with our cruiser not having any power. The mechanics have screwed the department out of a lot of money trying to fix the issue, but nothing. It still only reaches 30 or 40 tops when you want to get someone.


Posted by: Wolfman

Quote:
Originally Posted by m613
It still only reaches 30 or 40 tops when you want to get someone.

It's not that I think you're lying, I just don't believe you.



Posted by: ROBOCOP1982

Well....MT1...it is Vermont here....


Posted by: 40th MPOC#309

Is that down the hill?????


Posted by: SRRerg

You might want to try a feed with fewer carbs and more protein...

or fire your mechanic


Posted by: VTCOP

m613 wrote:
It still only reaches 30 or 40 tops when you want to get someone.


It's not that I think you're lying, I just don't believe you.




It's ok, you don't have to believe me. It's your opinion on the subject of which i do know about, and how this vehicle is driving. Turns out our problem seems to either be a defective fuel tank or we getting really crappy gas. We had our fuel filter replaced last monday, and it's going in again today for another and hopefully to have the tank checked out.


Posted by: Wolfman

How fast does it go when you're not trying to get someone? Lets talk some shop...I'm not ASE certified but I have worked on a few cars in my day -

Defective Fuel Tank: The fuel tank holds fuel. If it is defective, it will not hold fuel, due most likely to leakage or obstruction. Leakage will be blatantly obvious even to the most intellectually challenged. If the tank is obstructed, no fuel will flow, thus making the average speed zero. There is the possibility of partial obstruction, but that would have been remedied by the first change of the fuel filter. Either way, simply hooking a flow/pressure gauge up to the fuel rail at the injectors will tell you if there is inadequate fuel flow.

"Bad Gas" : The last refuge of the scoundrel, "Bad Gas" is often the reason given for a poorly functioning engine which is usually more attributable to neglect and improper preventive maintenance. "Bad Gas" is not as prevalent as one would be led to believe. Is the vehicle refueled at a municipal pump, such as a DPW pit? If that is the case, all vehicles which refueled at this location would be suffering similar symptoms. Is it refueled at a public refueling facility? The fuel at public stations generally doesn't stay in the holding tank long enough to go "Bad" - we're talking a petroleum product, not milk. I'm sure most of us have a can of gas in our shed that has worked just fine in the lawnmower for over a year...

If it is truly a "Bad Gas" situation, odds are that some supergenious dumped in a tankful of diesel instead of gasoline.

Now I'm guessing (since you didn't specify year/make of the cruiser) that it's a late model Crown Vic to which you're referring. Some more things you may want to investigate as the cause of the lackluster performance:...to name a few.
Quote:
The mechanics have screwed the department out of a lot of money trying to fix the issue, but nothing.
From the sound of it, your mechanics may be more defective than your cruiser, if they have been over and over this and still can't get the car over 40MPH. This isn't exactly rocket science.


Posted by: VTCOP

Ok, this particular cv is a 2002 model year. I believe ive stated in some past posts that the fuel filters were changed several times, and again, was replaced last week and then today. Im going on what the admins say which is the tank must be bad. I have no clue, and got interested in this topic due to others having almost the same problems with theres.

The mechanics aren't muni's, they are the mechanics at the ford dealership. And by the sounds, they aren't the brightest bulbs. Plus both (I was told there are two) Catalytic converters were replaced.

Now to clear up the speed issue, it will go over 40, but only if you wish to baby the thing for more than 10 to 15 seconds. But it still sinds at points and then will take off again...POS! Pretty sad when you going after someone traveling 40...41 mph in a 25 and it takes 3/4 to a mile to catch up


Posted by: tntdefense

FYI Ford dealership mechanics are idiots!!

Our 03 CV had a headlight problem (highbeams would go out whenever they wanted) car spent total of 8 hrs over 2 days at the dealer. After spending around $700+ and replacing 2/3 different parts the problem still exists.

While "poking" around under the hood one day discovered the fuse holder for the wig-wags was loose causing the intermitant problem... crimped the holder down a bit and haven't had another "blackout" since.

Leads me to believe that the dealers don't know enough about the "Interceptor" packages to efectively work on them. My opinion is take it to a local mechanical wiz or to someplace like MHQ/AMR.


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PFM




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