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Interesting find...Take a look at this ticket.

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Posted by: 209

Well I was surfing around and found this ticket posted on radardetectors.net. Here is the link to the thread and the violators explaination of his innocence and how he plans to fight it. http://www.radardetector.net/viewtopic.php?t=20856#

I thought it was kind of funny what this guy had to say...Oh and he thought if he blacked out certian areas on the ticket then it couldnt be tracked by the "cop"....Stupid.

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Okay I had to copy this section....look what this guy wants for info from the PD.

I am requesting information and records necessary to contest a citation written by Capt. XXX , in the Town of Lowell, within the jurisdiction of Lowell District Court.
In order to investigate my appeal, I am requesting access to the following public records:
1. Capt. XXX’s training records that pertain to his instruction / certification and continuing education of traffic speed enforcement and to the use of the speed detection device that was used to ascertain the speed of the vehicle described in citation #123456 (copy enclosed).
2. Capt. XXX’s daily log for the day of 11/19/2006.
3. Capt. XXX’s LIDAR and Radar log for the day of 11/19/2006.
4. The name, model and serial number of the speed measuring device used to ascertain the speed of the vehicle described in citation # 12345.
5. Copies of maintenance and / or certification records, for the last twelve months, of the speed measuring device that was used to ascertain the speed of the vehicle described in citation # 123456.
• How was the speed measuring device supported? (By hand/by hand with shoulder stock/bipod/fixed to vehicle)
• Distance between speed measuring device and Target Lane: _________ft
• Capt. XXX’s location on the side of the road.

6. The serial number of the tuning forks (if applicable)used to calibrate the speed measurement device to ascertain the speed of the vehicle described in citation # 12345
7. Departmental, local, and state Policies pertaining to LIDAR/Radar use.
8. Copy of Capt. XXX’s notes for citation # 12345.
9. Copy of speed measuring device’s Instruction/Operation Manual.
10. A copy of the FCC license that allows the agency to operate the RADAR lawfully on the frequency or range of frequencies used to ascertain the speed of the vehicle described in citation # 123456.
If you have any questions about the nature or scope of this request, please call me 617-XXX-XXXX If you determine that all or some portion of the information requested is exempted from required disclosure, I request that you provide me with the portions of the requested information that are public and reasonably segrable from that which you believe is excepted. If any records are in active use or in storage, please certify this fact in writing and set a date and hour within a reasonable time when the records will be available.
If you determine that all or some portion of the information requested is excepted from required public disclosure under a particular exception, I request that you advise me as to which exceptions you believe apply. If you rely on previous determination, please advise me of the applicable court decision or Attorney General's opinion. If there is no such determination, please advise me of the request for such an opinion.
I am prepared to pay reasonable costs for copying.

Oh this website is fun...here is another recent one.

http://www.radardetector.net/viewtop...=massachusetts





Posted by: 209





Posted by: Sniper

here. so no one has to crane their neck like I did........... YIKES.





Posted by: 209

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sniper
here. so no one has to crane their neck like I did........... YIKES.
Yeah sorry about that.



Posted by: MM1799

Ah, I love these sites!
"I'm 16, just got my license in december, going 90mph, got pulled over in mom's car without insurance... how do I win?" LOL

Oh and that Trooper who pulled you over? She's one of the best on CAT team.



Posted by: badogg88

Do they post if they win/lose? That first kid is an assclown and he's probably a freshman getting his law degree and things he's the balls.



Posted by: Sniper

hahahahahaaa.

and no worries 209........... that wasn't a shot at you. I assumed you just copied the link.



Posted by: phuzz01

I love those people. Many of the things that he requested are not discoverable. Recently, I have had several people hire attorneys for speeding tickets. The attorneys have then sent me discovery requests which go far beyond what is required by law (such as policies and procedures, etc.). I then file a lengthy objection supported by case law. The court then holds an evidence hearing to determine what the state is required to produce for discovery. Then on a different day, we have a bench trial and violator is found guilty. So, let us look at the total costs that the violator is paying:

$500 retainer for attorney
$200 billable hours for writing discovery request
$200 billable hours for writing response to my objection
$300 billable hours for appearance at evidence hearing
$300 billable hours for appearance at trial
$250 fine + penalty assessment for original speed violation

= $1,750 total amount paid as a result of speeding ticket

Now, that's one sweet ass speeding ticket! And it does not even include insurance. I wish people would vigorously fight them more often.



Posted by: 209

Quote:
Originally Posted by MM1799
Oh and that Trooper who pulled you over? She's one of the best on CAT team.
I figured that a few people here might know who wrote these tickets and let them know so they could see how ridiculous these violators are. I know it would be funny if I found a violator posting one of my citations with a dumb explaination. I was hoping for an admission of guilt so that the Officer that wrote the ticket could just hit print and bring it court with them.



Posted by: frapmpd24

I love how "surfdaddy" makes his suggestions regarding the LIDAR and one of them is to request the officer bring in the unit. Keep dreaming. Yeah sure, bring in the unit so others at the department can't use it. Especially with the LIDAR, it is hard to defend the fact that the beam was on their car specifically.

I sure love traffic appeals! Some of the defense arguments and cross examination from he violators can be down right hysterical. Especially when they are trying to be like O.J.'s dream team. A little knowledge sure is dangerous.



Posted by: Danman

lol yeah im likeing that site .. illl find a good one for u guys



Posted by: frank

Quote:
Originally Posted by 209
I figured that a few people here might know who wrote these tickets and let them know so they could see how ridiculous these violators are. I know it would be funny if I found a violator posting one of my citations with a dumb explaination. I was hoping for an admission of guilt so that the Officer that wrote the ticket could just hit print and bring it court with them.
That's one step better than having someone come on here bitching about a ticket you gave them...right Mike?



Posted by: MM1799

Quote:
Originally Posted by frank
That's one step better than having someone come on here bitching about a ticket you gave them...right Mike?
I don't know what you are talking about!

Just a general observation about that whole site; if radar detectors are worth the hundreds of dollars they cost, then how come there are hordes of people posting about being caught speeding? I thought they worked...



Posted by: SPINMASS

Interesting point about radar detectors. Was anybody able to pass along the post to the Trooper about the 16 y/o kid?



Posted by: 209

Quote:
Originally Posted by SPINMASS
Interesting point about radar detectors. Was anybody able to pass along the post to the Trooper about the 16 y/o kid?
I bet the kid would crap his pants if his comments on the citation were brought into court by the Trooper. Might think twice about what he posts on the internet. LOL



Posted by: USMCTrooper

Quote:
Originally Posted by 209
.

I am requesting information and records necessary to contest a citation written by Capt. XXX , in the Town of Lowell, within the jurisdiction of Lowell District Court.
In order to investigate my appeal, I am requesting access to the following public records:
1. Capt. XXX’s training records that pertain to his instruction / certification and continuing education of traffic speed enforcement and to the use of the speed detection device that was used to ascertain the speed of the vehicle described in citation #123456 (copy enclosed).
2. Capt. XXX’s daily log for the day of 11/19/2006.
3. Capt. XXX’s LIDAR and Radar log for the day of 11/19/2006.
4. The name, model and serial number of the speed measuring device used to ascertain the speed of the vehicle described in citation # 12345.
5. Copies of maintenance and / or certification records, for the last twelve months, of the speed measuring device that was used to ascertain the speed of the vehicle described in citation # 123456.
• How was the speed measuring device supported? (By hand/by hand with shoulder stock/bipod/fixed to vehicle)
• Distance between speed measuring device and Target Lane: _________ft
• Capt. XXX’s location on the side of the road.

6. The serial number of the tuning forks (if applicable)used to calibrate the speed measurement device to ascertain the speed of the vehicle described in citation # 12345
7. Departmental, local, and state Policies pertaining to LIDAR/Radar use.
8. Copy of Capt. XXX’s notes for citation # 12345.
9. Copy of speed measuring device’s Instruction/Operation Manual.
10. A copy of the FCC license that allows the agency to operate the RADAR lawfully on the frequency or range of frequencies used to ascertain the speed of the vehicle described in citation # 123456.
If you have any questions about the nature or scope of this request, please call me 617-XXX-XXXX If you determine that all or some portion of the information requested is exempted from required disclosure, I request that you provide me with the portions of the requested information that are public and reasonably segrable from that which you believe is excepted. If any records are in active use or in storage, please certify this fact in writing and set a date and hour within a reasonable time when the records will be available.
If you determine that all or some portion of the information requested is excepted from required public disclosure under a particular exception, I request that you advise me as to which exceptions you believe apply. If you rely on previous determination, please advise me of the applicable court decision or Attorney General's opinion. If there is no such determination, please advise me of the request for such an opinion.
I am prepared to pay reasonable costs for copying.

I received a certified letter asking for the same information-verbatim. It is a standard list obtained off the internet on one of those "How to beat a speeding ticket" type sites. What the clever citizen didn't know is that I always do my homework and then some and have knowledge of little known laws.

In short, 70% of his request was moot since RADAR wasn't used. 15% was moot because said records did not exist or were not public records, namely the certified calibration records for a 2006 Crown Victoria speedometer. The remaining 5% required 2 hours of research plus postage and printing costs. Under the guidance of the Secretary of State's Public Records Legal Section, he was sent in December a good faith estimate which is required within 10 days per law, with the total amount due. By law, a dept. can charge said citizen the hourly rate for the lowest paid employee able to comply with such records request, plus postage and printing costs which are set in the law. Once the citizen agrees and forwards payment, the records are sent. We do not have to manufacture or produce records which are not kept or held by us as public, ie daily officer logs, FCC licenses, etc.


I never heard back...............



Posted by: mikey742

Quote:
Originally Posted by USMCTrooper
I received a certified letter asking for the same information-verbatim. It is a standard list obtained off the internet on one of those "How to beat a speeding ticket" type sites. What the clever citizen didn't know is that I always do my homework and then some and have knowledge of little known laws.

In short, 70% of his request was moot since RADAR wasn't used. 15% was moot because said records did not exist or were not public records, namely the certified calibration records for a 2006 Crown Victoria speedometer. The remaining 5% required 2 hours of research plus postage and printing costs. Under the guidance of the Secretary of State's Public Records Legal Section, he was sent in December a good faith estimate which is required within 10 days per law, with the total amount due. By law, a dept. can charge said citizen the hourly rate for the lowest paid employee able to comply with such records request, plus postage and printing costs which are set in the law. Once the citizen agrees and forwards payment, the records are sent. We do not have to manufacture or produce records which are not kept or held by us as public, ie daily officer logs, FCC licenses, etc.


I never heard back...............



That's Great!!



Posted by: SOT

WTF is a "blinder"



Posted by: 209

Suf Daddy is a Masscops Troll...Go figure.


Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:49 am Post subject:
RE: Posting on link provided. FYI
-Suf Daddy

" Re: Interesting find...Take a look at this ticket.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MM1799
Oh and that Trooper who pulled you over? She's one of the best on CAT team.

I figured that a few people here might know who wrote these tickets and let them know so they could see how ridiculous these violators are. I know it would be funny if I found a violator posting one of my citations with a dumb explaination. I was hoping for an admission of guilt so that the Officer that wrote the ticket could just hit print and bring it court with them."

e2d wrote:http://www.masscops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25226

You should be careful with what you post on the internet. Don't be too surprised if the Trooper shows up with a print out of your postings in which you admit to doing 90 mph.



Posted by: Danman

http://www.radardetector.net/viewtopic.php?t=23463
look at this thread.. its all about masscops and they talk about Sot.. I want to find there emails and ban them from the site



Posted by: Sniper

hahahahhahaaaa



Posted by: CJIS

Oh my.



Posted by: Danman

im trying to get suf daddys email so gil can find it here and ban him.. he said on that board of his that he is a member of this forum.. lets bust his ass



Posted by: USMCMP5811

HaHa....Priceless



Posted by: 209

http://www.radardetector.net/viewtopic.php?t=23463
hsilman
"that masscops forum is ridiculous

They basically laugh at us over here, thinking we're trying to "get away with stuff with their silly tricks". Like the one's bragging about denying legitimate discovery requests and such.

I do respect police officers, but the way the members of that forum are posting, it makes me wonder sometimes. Bunch of arrogant pricks."

Its because you people fight speeding tickets like defense attorneys fight for a client charged with a felony. It's so ridiculous that you are worried so much about beating speeding tickets. Nothing better to do. The average citizen does not worry about such things. Yes, it sucks getting a ticket, but like I always say if you get a ticket from me you deserve it. I tell everyone 20 days pay or appeal. Thats your right. If you end up in court the magistrate looks at the area, time of day, weather, your speed v.s. posted speed, and thats about it. If your speed was greater than reasonable and proper you are going to be stuck with at least minimum fine. If you have a radar detector thats your business, I could care less, so many people have them anyway. But, when an average person with a detector gets caught speeding they normally figure that it was about time since they've got away with speeding hundreds if not thousands of times before.



Posted by: DODK911

I just checked this site out http://www.radardetector.net, now this is a funny site. If you get a moment check it out. These guys have no idea of what they are even talking about. They would have better luck and information if they came on here and asked questions, but no! Were arrigant pricks and have no idea what were even talking about. Good! then pay the ticket and shut up !



Posted by: kwflatbed

Quote:
Originally Posted by Danman
im trying to get suf daddys email so gil can find it here and ban him.. he said on that board of his that he is a member of this forum.. lets bust his ass
OK Klint



Posted by: 209

http://www.radardetector.net/viewtop...=massachusetts
Suf Daddy:
For those in Massachusetts:
Keep those thieves who ADD $50 to your speeding "fine" from robbing you.

Citations state:
Fines include surcharge.
http://www.sudbury.ma.us/services/individual_faq.asp?id=69

In other words:
The first 10 MPH is $100 and each 1 MPH is $10.

You can argue its $50 surcharge and then $50 for the first 10 MPH, but then you'll have paid the surcharge TWICE in most officers' calculation when they ADD $50 in.

Stick to the printed fine schedule
http://www.mass.gov/courts/courtsandjudges/courts/districtcourt/trans924revisedcmviassessments.pdf

Remember, you MAY deserve a ticket, but you also, may not!


I'm not sure if hes calling us(Police) thieves or the state...we all know the state is always looking to make a buck. BTW who miss calculates speeding fines, 1-10 $100 after that $10 per mile, couldnt get any easier than that. I do think that if the fines were lower $50 for the first 10 over then $10 per mile there would be more citations issued. Or if the insurance surcharge wasnt such a kick in the nuts. But then again your FIRST speeding ticket you do not get surcharged for. Oh well I suppose it works, not my job to make the laws.

Ticket issued in Wareham...Anyone need the info for court...
http://www.radardetector.net/viewtop...9929&highlight=#
"Brianc60
I need help fighting this one.
As they all say I was driving with the flow of traffic on rt 28 in wareham. I noticed the cop behind me so I sped up a little to get over to the right lane . He followed me then put lights on. I went into the B.K. parking lot and a second cop showed up. Both got out asked do I know what the speeding limit is and I said no. He said I was doing 55 in a 35. Asked for licence & reg. came back handed me the ticket and started walking back to his car. I called him 3 times to ask a question. I got out of my truck and started over to his car. He rolled down window and said I could fight it in court. Thats it nothing else. He was a real dick. He didnt even know what I was going to ask him.
The citation reads as follows
plate type-ro or co? (i have a vanity plate)
7:28 a.m. ( iknow that they get off @ 8:00, making quota??)
under speeding the 90/17 box is checked 55 in a 35 posted clocked estimated.
If you need anyother info please let me know.
Any help would be great."





Posted by: Danman

any one see this some jackass is complaining about a trooper

http://www.radardetector.net/viewtopic.php?t=23593



Posted by: frank

Ahahah. I bet that is SOT.

That story was originally posted on here a few months ago. I knew I had read it before.

The guy basically came onto Ask A Cop and shoved his entire leg in his mouth.



Posted by: Danman

what do you mean shoved his leg in his mouth... and i knew this sounded familiar..



Posted by: andy0921

[quote]Ahahah. I bet that is SOT.

quote]

I was just thinking the same thing...



Posted by: Danman

sot what are you up to



Posted by: frank

Quote:
Originally Posted by Danman
what do you mean shoved his leg in his mouth... and i knew this sounded familiar..
He started on the foot and kept going.



Posted by: Danman

ok



Posted by: USMCMP5811

You've become quite the celeberity over there Dan.....



Posted by: SinePari

People think they're entitle to f*ck around on public roads with impunity. Then when they get popped, they think a little stern talking-to and/or a hefty donation to the commonwealth is somehow unfair. To the motoring public: operating a vehicle in the commonwealth is a PRIVELAGE, not an inherent right. With that PRIVELAGE comes responsibilities and laws to follow. When you sign for your license, you agree to follow those laws.

All of the pictures of mangled cars and dead bodies doesn't do any good. Because when you're between 16 and 25, you're ten feet tall, bullet-proof and full of piss and vinegar. Your car is an extension of your penis, and you love to show it off and all the magical things it can do.



Posted by: OutOfManyOne

All these pussies act so tough on their forum but when i go to the judge appeal they are a bunch of little scared c*nts. They don't know what the heck they are talking about and think this access to public records BS is their way out. Well heed this assholes, the judges are PISSED with all your nonsense about public disclosures nonsens and when you go before the few judges i went up and ask all that nonsense, you get an automatic RESPONSIBLE. Or even better, the judge gives you another date to comeback,pay $20 today, $20 the next day and guess what there is a third day. And after all that still responsible. Post that on your radarfucker website.





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