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Posted by: DeputyFife

Published: 02/08/2007
Public can speak on new police cruisers
By Paul Leighton
Staff writer


BEVERLY - The public will have the chance to comment later this month on the city's plan to spend $90,000 on three new police cruisers.
Mayor Bill Scanlon and police Chief John Cassola want to buy three 2007 Dodge Charger cruisers to replace three Crown Victoria cruisers that have been taken off the road for safety reasons.
One of the Crown Victorias, a 2006 model, was totaled in a crash that killed a woman on Cabot Street last month. Cassola has taken two other Crown Victorias, both 2005s, out of service after several reports from police officers that the vehicles have been speeding up without warning.
In a letter to the City Council, Scanlon said the city's chief mechanic, Brad Koch, has recommended buying Dodge Chargers, "based on braking excellence, overall quality and price."
The new cruisers will cost about $30,000 each once they are equipped with lights and radios, according to Finance Director John Dunn. The city can pay for one of the cruisers with money in the Police Department budget plus insurance money for the totaled cruiser, he said.
The other $60,000 will come from the city's "Reserve for Unforeseen" fund. But before the city can spend that money, the City Council must approve transferring the $60,000 into the Police Department's budget.
By city ordinance, the council must hold a public hearing before it votes on transferring the money. That hearing will be held Tuesday, Feb. 20, at 7:05 p.m. during a City Council meeting at City Hall.



Posted by: 4ransom

How can you justify that when every other dept across the state, most of the country, still uses them. If the cruiser had a defect (and i doubt all 3 have the same problem) then fix it, instead of getting rid of all three. And why does he need $90,000? Isn't he going to get trade in value? If I was a taxpayer in that town I'd be bullshit.



Posted by: thewife

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4ransom
How can you justify that when every other dept across the state, most of the country, still uses them. If the cruiser had a defect (and i doubt all 3 have the same problem) then fix it, instead of getting rid of all three. And why does he need $90,000? Isn't he going to get trade in value? If I was a taxpayer in that town I'd be bullshit.
Geee.. maybe it's the guys who don't know how to drive... I hope they do get the new cars. Just do to the fact that the whole fleet is junk, and they have over 100,000 miles on them. The paint is pealing off the silver cars to reveal that they are the old white ones. There has been other dept's that have had the same problem, I can't find the article, but It has been reported by dept's all over the country and by citizens who own these cars. (no not the whackers)
Also being a tax payer wouldn't you want your city's police to have a descent cruiser to make it to your house if you need them...
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Posted by: SOT

This is the brake pedal/acceleration pedal issue from the 2005's.
They changed the size and location just enough that you can hit one, the other or both.
Hey you want Chargers, go for it....but let us not blame the CrownVic.



Posted by: pahapoika

that thing got a hemi ?



Posted by: HELPMe

i see nothing wrong in getting new equipment. Do you want officers to be safe? Or do you want to be cheap and have them driving unsafe vehicles? Or do you want them to have good equipment and the operating costs of the charger will be lower due to the DOD feature that will cut fuel consumption while at idle.



Posted by: 4ransom

What proof do you have that the chargers are safer? Let me tell you if you crash one of those things at 60mph in a chase, It isn't going to protect you like the crown vic.

I find it hard to believe that this town got 3 unsafe cars out of a batch of thousands that have proven to be fine so far.
Don't blame the car for the accident to cover up a mistake and put the focus on something else. If the driver is to blame, then blame him.



Posted by: SOT

Considering there is not 100Kplus charger police cars out there yet, it's impossible to tell what the total operating costs for the life of the car will be.
Maybe they will be cheaper, maybe they will be more expensive.

Quote:
Originally Posted by HELPMe
i see nothing wrong in getting new equipment. Do you want officers to be safe? Or do you want to be cheap and have them driving unsafe vehicles? Or do you want them to have good equipment and the operating costs of the charger will be lower due to the DOD feature that will cut fuel consumption while at idle.




Posted by: andy0921

There definitely not a cruiser you want if you have shitty city roads and the car is going to be driving around 24/7...



Posted by: Truck

That Chief better be ready for all sorts of questions from the public using the rational mentioned in the article! It's hard enough in most towns to get a cruiser in ordinary as needed cases. The argument that the Crown Vics are unsafe when 90+% of police departments country wide are using them will be a hard sell.



Posted by: HELPMe

Quote:
Originally Posted by SOT_II
Considering there is not 100Kplus charger police cars out there yet, it's impossible to tell what the total operating costs for the life of the car will be.
Maybe they will be cheaper, maybe they will be more expensive.
This is true, the drive train is untested at such high mileage. I was just stating that since most police cars are at idle a good portion of the time these cars would have a lower fuel consumption rate. As far as crash tests...i tend to think that the charger would fare better then the CVPI which has been known and is still known for exploding upon impact from a rear ender. (I will see if i can find charger crash stats) I agree that the cvpi has a better suspension for daily patrol in a urban setting but braking and power to weight ratio are very poor. 250hp to move 3800 lbs is not the best. On the plus parts are cheap and the drive train has been proven to be reliable given maintenance and solid steel construction for the body.

I do agree it does sound like a pitch to get something new..however, maybe they have had bad dealings with ford in the past and are just fed up? I know we on rare occasion take our cvpi's to a local ford dealer who i swear just windex's the windshield and sends them back without doing anything.



Posted by: DeputyFife

Published: 02/21/2007
Council approves money for new cruisers
By Paul Leighton
Staff writer



BEVERLY - Police will soon be driving three new $30,000 cruisers that the police chief says are "desperately" needed to supplement the department's aging and damaged fleet.
The City Council voted 8-0 last night to transfer $60,000 from the city's "reserved for unforeseen" account to pay for two of the new cruisers. Money for the other new cruiser will come from insurance money from the Crown Victoria cruiser that was totaled in a Jan. 20 accident that killed a woman. The total cost of the three new cruisers is $90,000.
Police Chief John Cassola said the cruisers are needed to replace the three Crown Victoria cruisers that are no longer on the road - the one that was destroyed in the accident and two others that Cassola has taken off the road for safety reasons.
"We're in desperate need of cruisers," Cassola told city councilors at City Hall. "Most of my cruisers have 120,000 miles on them."
The three Ford Crown Victorias now off the road all had problems with suddenly speeding up for no apparent reason, according to reports from police officers. State police are investigating the Jan. 20 accident in which Patrolman Stuart Merry's cruiser drove across Cabot Street and struck a parked car, killing 61-year-old Bonney Burns.
After that accident, city officials decided to buy Dodge Charger cruisers instead of Crown Victorias, which are used by the majority of police departments across the country. Cassola said the Dodge Chargers will be purchased from a dealer in New Jersey and should be delivered by Feb. 26.
Finance Director John Dunn said the cruisers cost about $24,000 each, but the total comes to $30,000 when they are outfitted with lights, radios and other equipment.
Robert Jerin, a criminal justice professor at Endicott College who lives in Beverly, told city councilors the city should consider equipping the cruisers with digital video systems. The cameras record police stops, and the video can be used in court as evidence, Jerin said. Jerin said the videos can also protect police from false claims, reducing liability costs for the city.
Cassola said the video systems cost around $5,000 each and "wouldn't be at the top of my wish list."



Posted by: SinePari

Quote:
Originally Posted by thewife
Geee.. maybe it's the guys who don't know how to drive... I hope they do get the new cars. Just do to the fact that the whole fleet is junk, and they have over 100,000 miles on them. The paint is pealing off the silver cars to reveal that they are the old white ones. There has been other dept's that have had the same problem, I can't find the article, but It has been reported by dept's all over the country and by citizens who own these cars. (no not the whackers)
Also being a tax payer wouldn't you want your city's police to have a descent cruiser to make it to your house if you need them...
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I just turned in my 2001 with over 150K miles on it. If I showed you the average mileage of our cars before they get turned in...

Seems like penis envy to me. "I want one of those Charger thingys like the other departments have." All of the high speed chases and traffic enforcement going on in Beverly...riiiiiiiggggghhhhht.



Posted by: Sniper

the chargers are nice to look at but I think I would rather a newer CVPI if I had my choice............. The ones that the staties have are cool. I have seen a bunch around. I heard they are used mostly for traffic type stuff though. High visibilty and are non prisoner friendly.........

Sine loads his Jeep up and cuffs all the prisoners to the roll bar............ Just like the one at the booking desk.



Posted by: SinePari

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sniper
the chargers are nice to look at but I think I would rather a newer CVPI if I had my choice............. The ones that the staties have are cool. I have seen a bunch around. I heard they are used mostly for traffic type stuff though. High visibilty and are non prisoner friendly.........

Sine loads his Jeep up and cuffs all the prisoners to the roll bar............ Just like the one at the booking desk.
I put one of those Starsky and Hutch gumball lights on the rollbar.





Posted by: HELPMe

i wasnt aware a charger could be had for 24k a piece. Whats the price of a non outfitted cvpi going for these days?



Posted by: SinePari

Quote:
Originally Posted by HELPMe
i wasnt aware a charger could be had for 24k a piece. Whats the price of a non outfitted cvpi going for these days?
Less than $18K for a new CVPI. Radios, paint, prisoner cage plus the safety upgrades puts them over $30-35K each, depending on fully, semi or unmarked set up.



Posted by: Bin25US

Some Depts that have tested the chargers found them better on gas but not well suited for daily patrol and lacking the space for all the equipment in todays police cruiser.



Posted by: AWS019

so there going to order 3 dodge chargers from a dealer in new jersey when we have MHQ municipal a ford and dodge police car dealer in marlborough ma



Posted by: DODK911

dodge chargers are good to look at but they don't look like they have a lot of room. I will stick to my Chevy Tahoe where I have enough room for all of my crap.



Posted by: j809

Base state bid for an 07 CVPI is around 23K. Not much difference with the Charger.



Posted by: thewife

Quote:
Originally Posted by pahapoika
that thing got a hemi ?





Posted by: USMCMP5811

Quote:
Originally Posted by thewife


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