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Posted by: ds13

On a typical midnight shift, how many miles do you guys put on? Looking for a good, proactive police work night. Also if you could include how many guys on the road on an average midnight. Thanks in advance.

Posted by: 94c

the more proactive you are the less miles you put on.

Posted by: Banshees'Will

A December Monday Night
On The Board For 1 Call
Had 4 Arrest's
Traveled 75 Miles
Assisted By 16 Or So Other Officers From 5 Different Agencies During The Night

Whats That Tell You?????

Posted by: 94c

tells me you made 4 quick arrests and the rest of the night was kind of quiet.

Posted by: Portable81

2-man minimum, about 50 - 70 miles, town of about 9,000 people

Posted by: j809

Agree with 94C, less miles means more proactive. A night with 10 or less miles means busy with arrests.

Posted by: wgciv

You can not use mileage as a factor in determining a proactive/effective night. Thats ridiculous! Like 94c stated, if anything less miles would indicate being more proactive. However, less miles could also mean inactive if someone were to "pull in" somewhere for most of the shift. Banshee, where the hell do you work and what were you doing that you needed 16 officers to assist from 5 agencies on 4 arrests??? My partner and I average 2 - 3 arrests per night with the assistance of each other, sometimes an additional 1 or 2 officers. The poster was asking for a typical night... I highly doubt that that is a typical night for you, and if it is, your department should probably quadruple their manpower.

Posted by: ds13

Yah, I don't really need a lecture on what indicates how proactive or not someone is. I was looking for your average mileage, not your interpretation of what proactive means.
I am looking to find out what other guys are doing for mileage, I don't really care about your stats. This is the only place I could think of to reach out to a bunch of other guys. If you can't give me an average, don't bother responding. Thanks Portable.

Posted by: ds13

94C, thanks for the words of wisdom about what indicates that a cop has been proactive, but I am really just looking for numbers here. I'll ask again, what does a midnight put up for mileage on average. We all have nights where you drive all night and we all have nights where we are either tied up with good stuff or garbage and we barely turn the odometer at all.
I don't care about stats or anything else, just the average number of miles and your typical staffing overnight. If you don't want to give that secret squirrel info out or just want to dog my question rather answering it, don't bother responding. Thanks Portable.

Posted by: HELPMe

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Originally Posted by j809

Agree with 94C, less miles means more proactive. A night with 10 or less miles means busy with arrests.

10 is pitiful. I work on a campus that is 2 miles in circumference. After 3am no one is around campus and i do alot of driving. I try to be as pro active as i can. Running plates, issuing citations etc. I on average put on 40-50 miles a nite. If you work in a town and you only put on 10 miles then thats alot of

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Posted by: Sniper

wow. people maybe misunderstood what you were asking...... and you jump down their throats. Let's see. 94c has 1600 posts and you have FIVE. Not saying that makes him a know it all but jesus....... Have some fucking respect. You might as well be unregistered......

Posted by: Deuce

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banshees'Will

Whats That Tell You?????

You like to scream for cars and pound your chest?

Posted by: irish937

ds13:
My question to you would be: What do you do with your mileage? Honestly, it really doesn't matter. If that is the largest factor your boss uses to rate you, then he/she falls far off the mark. That said, why do you ask? Is it just a general question? If so, I might put on 40-50 during an "average" night, others, maybe 10. IT ALL DEPENDS!! My village is 22ish square miles, with well over 100 miles of road. I also do not cover a specific area and I am free to assist sector units. Sometimes I put on more, sometimes less. If you are just asking, then I think that the answer would vary depending on call volume AND jurisdiction size. Some cops do not have the luxury to drive around or sit in one area for any amount of time. dc13, there is no need to get snappy about responses. You asked and were not specific. 94c has quite the sense of humor, you just have to get to know it. Think about this...If you sit in a specific location for four hours (call volume warranting), but you prevent a crime or a serious accident. How valuable was that time?? That is an intangible that you supervisors cannot assess. Good luck and stay safe.

Posted by: dcs2244

First, there is no meaningful correlation between miles traveled and being proactive. Some nights are busier than others, some with important stuff and other nights with time-wasting bull hockey...and some nights you can't buy an arrest.

94c suggests that miles traveled and proactivity are inversely proportional...they are not. One could have to follow a scumbag who has refused to stop when signalled to do so for say, 110 miles, and come up with a bunch of unlawful drugs and guns: proactive or not?

Second, the question was fairly simple: ? average mileage on the dogwatch. No reason to misinterpret it. Average. Mileage. On. The. Dogwatch.

Mine was about 80 miles a night, city/highway.

Back on topic, my droogies.

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Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by dcs2244

94c suggests that miles traveled and proactivity are inversely proportional...they are not. One could have to follow a scumbag who has refused to stop when signalled to do so for say, 110 miles, and come up with a bunch of unlawful drugs and guns: proactive or not?

Second, the question was fairly simple: ? average mileage on the dogwatch. No reason to misinterpret it. Average. Mileage. On. The. Dogwatch.

Mine was about 80 miles a night, city/highway.

Back on topic, my droogies.

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you have to admit that scenario is more the exception than the rule. The busier you are the longer that car sits idle while you catch up on the paperwork.

And you misinterpreted the question. He said Average. Mileage. On. The. Dogwatch. Proactive.

So can we all agree that unless BS-13 has to pay for his own gas, he should get his eyeballs off the odometer and stick them out the window before he hits a parked car?

Oh Ya, my midnight number used to be 49.7
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Originally Posted by ds13

Yah, I don't really need a lecture on what indicates how proactive or not someone is. I was looking for your average mileage, not your interpretation of what proactive means.
I am looking to find out what other guys are doing for mileage, I don't really care about your stats. This is the only place I could think of to reach out to a bunch of other guys. If you can't give me an average, don't bother responding. Thanks Portable.

Forgive me I didn't know how serious you were. At the end of the night the dashboard says 103.7 (but maybe it's because I like to listen to WEEI Sports radio)

Posted by: Delta784

My record low, if you don't count 1/10th's, is 0 miles.

Before I get the snide remarks, I got a multi-vehicle OUI crash with serious injury right after roll call, and right across the street from the police station. I drove the cruiser across the street, worked the crash, drove it back, and spent the rest of the night on paperwork.

My record high, if I remember correctly, was about 60 miles or so. My sector was getting croaked with car breaks, so I stocked-up on DD Giant Ones and drove every side street in my sector all night.

Without success.

Posted by: kttref

My average is about 40-50 miles...Minimum of 6 (4 on the road, 1 on the desk, 1 PC).

Posted by: ds13

I'm not gonna argue with anyone on here. I asked for average mileage. I didn't ask for anything but an average and your typical staffing overnight. I asked because budget cuts that are coming for most departments will result in mileage and gas cuts. Cuts like these suck, they kill the morale of younger guys who hunt all night on dead nights and they directly result in good cops getting sour and getting into the bad habits that all midnight cops know about. I considered this the best place for research about what the average mileage of a midnight cop is. I asked for that specific information because those numbers are what I need to make an argument of why cutting mileage is a cut that will do far more harm than good. 94C, it seems you and I do the same mileage, between 50 and 100 with exceptions due to either call volume or zero traffic to bother.

Posted by: Gil

Average mileage on normal night 70 to 100 depending on calls. Last night three arrest (two from a fight and one from another domestic) did 60 miles.

I have had nights where all hell breaks loose at the start of the shift you book in 6 or 7 idiots and get all the paper work done and call in your ending to find that you only did 6 miles.

We are setup to run 9 cars on mids with a pop of 49,000+ give or take a few thousand illegals.
BTW 29 sq miles

Posted by: 4ransom

The word "proactive" is used to much and being so can be overrated. You don't need to be proactive to be a good cop or to do your job for the 8 hours. So putting 80 miles a night or whatever on your cruiser doesn't necessarily make you better than the guy who put on 10.

Posted by: 94c

Quote:

Originally Posted by ds13

I'm not gonna argue with anyone on here. I asked for average mileage. I didn't ask for anything but an average and your typical staffing overnight. I asked because budget cuts that are coming for most departments will result in mileage and gas cuts. Cuts like these suck, they kill the morale of younger guys who hunt all night on dead nights and they directly result in good cops getting sour and getting into the bad habits that all midnight cops know about. I considered this the best place for research about what the average mileage of a midnight cop is. I asked for that specific information because those numbers are what I need to make an argument of why cutting mileage is a cut that will do far more harm than good. 94C, it seems you and I do the same mileage, between 50 and 100 with exceptions due to either call volume or zero traffic to bother.

I guess what everyone is trying to say here is that mileage on a cruiser and being proactive can have nothing to do with each other.

Say you have a rash of car breaks in an area. Though difficult in a cruiser, you find an area you can hide and see a certain neighborhood from a distance.

Several hours go by with 0 miles and lo and behold you grab the guy and he admits to a bunch of these. Then he takes you to his garage and retrieves a bunch of car stereos.

Proactive with 0 miles.

If you're trying to convince management, maybe a system where you can determine how many actual road miles in your sector need to be covered and how often.

Posted by: sulldog6

50-80 miles on avg

*no min*
25 officers on avg. (5/2ofc cars, 6/1ofc cars, 2 walking, 1 wagon, 4 sgt, 2 lts) on the st.

Also depends on time of year (summer impact shift 6-2 adds 8-14 officers)

7 sq miles, 102000+ pop

Posted by: JFleck

Sadly enough I put 160 on last night. I only had three calls to respond to. The rest was patrol and stops.

Posted by: Q5POS

Since your asking, 70 mile commute one way to work (MSP, working from the minute I leave my driveway), one swing of the road equals 50 miles, multiplied by about 4-7 swings, plus 70 mile ride home, equals approximately 400-600 miles a night. So what? What does that prove about police work other than the fact I need an oil change every 10 days?

Posted by: JFleck

on my end... all it proves is I work for a sleepy little town! lol

Posted by: wgciv

ds13,
Although everyone here has been kind enough to answer your question, in the end I am still not sure how helpful this information will be to you. As you have seen through these posts, everyone's mileage varies. I think it would be in your best interest to identify communities who are similar in area, population, crime rates, call volume, etc. to your community and seek their advice. Information from these communities will be more accurate and more applicable to your argument. Good Luck!

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