I'm looking for copies of proposals that were used to request patrol rifles. I'd also take those for shotguns, they include some notation on the need for extended range firepower.
I'm also interested in articles/studies/facts/stats/anything else that will support my proposal.
Thanks in advance.
Posted by: SOT
Check with Troy Indsutries, the oswer is a MSP Trooper and a good guy. He has all kinds of studies as to the effectiveness of the patrol rifle. http://www.troyind.com/
Here's a list of resources that might be helpful
1. Odle, Mike. “Tactical Team Weapons Selection (National Tactical Officers Association Position Paper).” 1-6.
2. Parker, Robert W. “Rifle Information, Policy, Training and Position Paper.” 1997: 15 pages.
3. Santa Clara Police. “Firearms Study; Long Rifles.” 1995: 1-4.
4. Shotgun Replacement: Position paper pending
5. Chudwin, Jeff “. 223 For the Street (NTOA Position Paper).” 1-5.
6. MacPherson, Duncan. “ .223 Ammunition for Law Enforcement.” Journal of the International Wound Ballistics Association 3 (1997): 5 pages.
7. Roberts, Dr. Gary and Michael Bullian. “Comparison of the Wound Ballistic Potential of 9mm vs. 5.56mm (.223) Cartridges for Law Enforcement Entry Applications.” AFTE Journal 25 (April 1993): 142-148.
8. Roberts, Dr. Gary. “Law Enforcement General Purpose Shoulder Fired Weapons.” The Police Marksman July/August 1998: 38-45.
9. Robertson, Stephen. “Rifle Ammunition Performance Through Barriers.” Journal of the International Wound Ballistics Association 2.4: 25-27.
10. Los Angeles Police Department. “Deployment of the Urban Rifle and Shotgun Slug Ammunition by Field Personnel (NTOA Sample Policy).” August 1998: 5 pages.
14. Jeans, Bill. “The Carbine Alternative.” The Tactical Edge Journal Winter 1995: 59-61.
15. Parker, Robert. “The Colt AR-15A3 Tactical Carbine.” The Tactical Edge Journal Spring 1996: 58+.
16. Parker, Robert. “Forty-Five Minutes in North Hollywood.” The Tactical Edge Journal Fall 1997: 74-77.
17. Craigo, James. “What Will Stop Those Who Will Stop at Nothing.” The Tactical Edge Journal Winter 1998: 17-18.
18. Parker, Robert. “Establishing a Tactical Rifle Program.” The Tactical Edge Journal Winter 1998: 73-77.
19. Wilkerson and Kerr. “The .223 Remington Cartridges in the Urban Environment.” The Tactical Edge Journal Winter 1999: 21+.
20. Chudwin, Jeff. “Establishing a Police Rifle/Carbine Program.” The Tactical Edge Journal Winter 1999: 15+.
21. Watt, Randy. “Performance Review of The Billings Tactical Buckshot Round.” The Tactical Edge Journal Spring 2000: 47+.
22. Nielsen, Eugene. “ATAC OPS TANGO 51: Shorter Barrel Defies Conventional Wisdom.” The Tactical Edge Journal Fall 2000: 55+.
23. Parker, Robert. “Counter Measures: The Bushmaster Patrolman’s Carbine.” The Tactical Edge Journal Winter 2001: 79-80.
24. NTOA Member. “Ammo Test.” December 2001.
25. San Diego County Sheriff’s Department, Weapons Training Unit. “Structural Penetration Testing.” Released January 2000.
Posted by: dcs2244
Damn, SOT...hard act to follow!
My suggestions (and ultimately listen to SOT: he-da-man): M1 carbine w/20 round mag for the big city (semi-jac soft point). M16 variant for rural applications (semi-jac soft point). Shotgun...not so much, just not for me, I prefer a rifle.
20 round mag for either...(allows prone firing position).
Posted by: SOT
Here's a good paper on the thing....it's a PDF.
I do not agree with all the conclusions but I think it's a good starting point for the discussion.
My main gripes are having the patrol rifle in the vehicle. In many cases that leads to more attempted theft.
I think a lot of departments would do well with a SEMI AUTOMATIC rifle, the down side is I think they should be
14.5 inch barrels which is an NFA length anyway.
Having so many LE being former military, the M4/AR style platforms are prolly best.
20 round magazines should be the "maximum" capacity. They allow for prone use, are less susceptible to spring fatigue.
I don't really know if discarding the shotgun is the best idea, only time will tell. There are instances where a shotgun
is a good thing.
Posted by: MARINECOP
I have some basic documents, stats, and ammo reccomendations that I created to get patrol rifles in my department. I am on duty Friday and can fax some of that stuff over to you. It should help out.
PM me your department fax number and who it should be faxed to.
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