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Posted by: Nightstalker

Does anyone have any information on the Worc. Sheriffs dept. ie. what the dept is like, pay, etc.... I checked on their site and couldnt find much in regards to it.

I am also confused as to if they are under civil service or not. I understand that there is a test for a CO but I was told in order to work as a deputy you simply submit your application and go thru the process like a non-cs dept. With that being said... I've also been told that almost everyone starts out working at the house of corrections. If that is so... are you working as a CO not under cs. I'm not sure how thats possible. Could someone shed some like on this process for me?


Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Sheriffs are not civil service and you have to submit a $500 check to the Sheriff to get a job. Find out where his campaign address is or contact OTTO on this board, he is the holding the Sheriff's nuts daily, he'll give you the low down, literally.


Posted by: gooday

Thats not true, maybe if your going just to try to be a deputy but not a c/o. Everyones an expert on how everything works although they never worked for a sheriffs dept before. Again always remember politics is everywhere even in the state police, dont be fooled. Its you place to decide if you want to earn something or play the game. Work inside first, earn the respect and use it as a learning experience before you go to be deputized. Also make sure at the liest you take a 120 hr basic reserve class. Thats the best advise I can give from my point of view. It does help to know someone for refferences on your application though, just like anywhere. No money needed from my experience and I work for a sheriffs dept.


Posted by: masscopguy

I belive you are employed at the pleasure of the Sheriff. Going out big for a candidate or incumbent who loses a Sheriff's election is not a good idea. I can introduce you to some guys from Suffolk and Plymouth County who learned that the hard way.

A political connection or donation is not a requirement for getting the job but it doesn't hurt. Many Co/Deputies are hired after simply submitting an application and going through the process.


Posted by: lawdog671

I worked in Worcester County before I got where I am now and I'll tell you this. When I was there, you worked as temporary employee with no benefits until they decided THEY wanted to send you to their academy. There was no rhyme or reason for the selection, dont fool yourself. If you carried a sign for the High one...or you contributed to the re-election fund you got moved ahead. You made crap for money and wore a different uniform so the inmates could tell you're new from a mile away. Keep in mind also they owe people political favors so their kids get jobs before you, better ones than you when there, and get promoted faster as well since they are not civil Service. That's if they decide to even call you out of the 1,000 applications they get weekly that DON'T get tossed in the circular file. Just be careful if you want to pursue a job there and be careful who you talk with ...good luck ..I couldn't leave that place fast enough...


Posted by: Otto

Quote:
Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne
Sheriffs are not civil service and you have to submit a $500 check to the Sheriff to get a job. Find out where his campaign address is or contact OTTO on this board, he is the holding the Sheriff's nuts daily, he'll give you the low down, literally.
I will await your evidence showing when I have "held his nuts."

If you mean countering all the mis- statements and outright lies made by the "true professionals" here, I am guilty. Just like everyone else is when their agency gets badmouthed by the ignorant.

You should probably change your name because your posts betray it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lawdog671
I worked in Worcester County before I got where I am now and I'll tell you this. When I was there, you worked as temporary employee with no benefits until they decided THEY wanted to send you to their academy. There was no rhyme or reason for the selection, dont fool yourself. If you carried a sign for the High one...or you contributed to the re-election fund you got moved ahead. You made crap for money and wore a different uniform so the inmates could tell you're new from a mile away. Keep in mind also they owe people political favors so their kids get jobs before you, better ones than you when there, and get promoted faster as well since they are not civil Service. That's if they decide to even call you out of the 1,000 applications they get weekly that DON'T get tossed in the circular file. Just be careful if you want to pursue a job there and be careful who you talk with ...good luck ..I couldn't leave that place fast enough...
So, how did you get the job? You will have people think that 1000 people / week apply for this crappy paying job?

Currently, the wait to get an academy slot is generally 6 months to a year. It is a lot better than it used to be. The uniforms are all the same now, so there is no distinction.

I am not sure what the starting pay is, but it isn't that good and you get no benefits. It gets a lot better after the academy.


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by Otto
If you mean countering all the mis- statements and outright lies made by the "true professionals" here, I am guilty.
Do you deny that it's necessary to contribute to the sheriff's campaign fund in order to be considered for a job?


Posted by: Otto

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
Do you deny that it's necessary to contribute to the sheriff's campaign fund in order to be considered for a job?
I don't know that to be true. It sure can't hurt. I have no idea if everyone coming through he door has made a contribution, and neither does anyone here.

I am way out of the loop, but from what I have heard there isn't a long line of good candidates knocking on the door. Probably a quarter of those chosen don't even pass the physical. During orientation, there is almost always someone that doesn't come back.

How much do you think most people are willing to "contribute" to be considered for a difficult job with no benefits for $12/ hour?

As for people already working... Probably most of them contributed. Most of them didn't get promoted or get specialty jobs. There aren't enough to go around. I also know people that contributed that got demoted and or moved to less desirable jobs.

I don't deny politics plays a role, nor do I defend everything sheriffs do. It is the nature of the beast. The sheriff gets his job by being elected, to get elected, you need money, you get money through contributions. Consider yourself lucky your boss doesn't have to get elected.

Most police chiefs are political animals too. They just don't have to get elected. Some are better than others.


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by Otto
I don't know that to be true. It sure can't hurt. I have no idea if everyone coming through he door has made a contribution, and neither does anyone here.
Political contributions are public record, file a FOIA request with the sheriff's department. It would make for interesting reading, I'm sure, and I'll bet you a beer that every employee hired under Glodis will be on that list.

Come to think of it, best to have a non-employee friend do it.


Posted by: lawdog671

So, how did you get the job? You will have people think that 1000 people / week apply for this crappy paying job?

I just got off active duty in the Marine Corps..and at the time..if you didn't have a dime to drop...the Dept. Superintendent at the time, Dep. Frisch (very nice guy I might add), hired you if he saw USMC on your application even if you didnt know anyone. If youve ever been in his office it looked like the halls of Montezuma. That and at the time I had some experience in a couple local PD's..And YES I would say 1000 is a high number, I was approximating...but there are over a hundred a week I'd say conservatively. And for all the whackers who the Sheriff owes..or the family...yeah I would say they're trying to get on. You START at $12 an hour till you pass the academy, then if you're in the network you get promoted over guys that have been there 3 times as long as you. No universal test to promote, and kind of depends on who you know. And I know a couple guys in particular I can say, but I wouldnt. I can't tell you how many guys I worked with that belonged on the other side of the bars, but knew someone and stayed on despite convictions in the legal system. Don't say it's not true, because although I would never say names, I can think of 4 or 5 off the top of my head. Some were so bad that it required policy review of officers that mandated a valid license because guys were driving S.O. cruisers and vans with SUSPENDED licenses for everything from deadbeat dads to OUI's. Some were your highly touted deputies you feel should be on the road.

Currently, the wait to get an academy slot is generally 6 months to a year. It is a lot better than it used to be. The uniforms are all the same now, so there is no distinction.
Since you were so kind to nitpick my comment, I'll be happy to share. Aren't you the guy who always says deputies should be out on the road doing everything regular police do? If you all wear the same uniform now, with the exception of the deputies badge versus a correction officer (which JOE PUBLIC would never know to look at), that kinda kicks you in the pants about trained deputies on the road. These temp guys don't have a full time CORRECTIONS academy, much less anything else. Kind of like the kid who was flexing his sheriffs office patch at me as he was passing me on the right in my PC, at about 60 mph in a 35mph. Since I had worked there, I recognized the khakhi uniform he was wearing. So they're the trained guys in that same uniform you're consistently referring to?? Ask him how that worked out for him, he was working in the MODS at the time.

I am not sure what the starting pay is, but it isn't that good and you get no benefits. It gets a lot better after the academy.OTTO

You just said $12 an hour...

I'm not usually into breaking balls about the sheriffs, as I worked there for several years with some good guys. They belong inside the jail, where they are tremendously outnumbered by the cons inside. Not out trying to drive boats and motorcycles and helicopters. Spend some of the money on improving your equipment for inside the jails, not the ludicrous crap I keep seeing wasted. I don't want to go back inside the jail and rattle doors, so don't try to do mine. AND I am speaking from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, so don't try and blow smoke up my ass. The kid that started the thread asked for honest info, and it was shared. Twist this how you want but the facts are the facts.


Posted by: gooday

No Offense but I know cops with O.U.I's. One with two before he even got hired, I'm not going to drop names either but politics is everywhere bottom line. Backround checks mean nothing unless its real bad its all in who you know if you know someone and its wrong. My record has nothing on it but a few speeding tickets from when I was young and they gave me a hard time over that being hired. But then I here what some people have on there records and I cant believe they even got an interview not to even mention a job.


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by gooday
No Offense but I know cops with O.U.I's. One with two before he even got hired, I'm not going to drop names either but politics is everywhere bottom line. Backround checks mean nothing unless its real bad its all in who you know if you know someone and its wrong. My record has nothing on it but a few speeding tickets from when I was young and they gave me a hard time over that being hired. But then I here what some people have on there records and I cant believe they even got an interview not to even mention a job.
The disqualifiers for a police job are a felony conviction, or a misdemeanor conviction involving a domestic incident or a crime of violence.

I personally want my back-up to have been around the block a few times. The best cops have criminal minds!


Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
a crime of violence.
Thats a broad definition to be used for a disqualifier.


Posted by: SinePari

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
I personally want my back-up to have been around the block a few times. The best cops have criminal minds!
Sometimes the only thing that separates a cop from being a criminal is 6 months of training


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop
Thats a broad definition to be used for a disqualifier.
The key word is conviction.

Hardly anyone gets convicted on a first-offense misdemeanor, unless it involves a horrific beating. If you get convicted, you're a two or three-time loser, and deserve whatever you get.


Posted by: truthbetold

The disqualifiers for a police job are a felony conviction, or a misdemeanor conviction involving a domestic incident or a crime of violence.

I personally want my back-up to have been around the block a few times. The best cops have criminal minds!


This may be the dumbest think I have read here in about two years! I would want them to have been around the block but to be a criminal or have some record is not what I want backing me up. Sorry but that is not me! A veteran that has knowledge of the criminal mind is one thing, but someone with a criminal mind? Im all set. This leads to corruption and discreet. Delta I believe in a lot of your thoughts but not this one. I hope you meant it in another context.





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Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by truthbetold
This may be the dumbest think I have read here in about two years! I would want them to have been around the block but to be a criminal or have some record is not what I want backing me up. Sorry but that is not me! A veteran that has knowledge of the criminal mind is one thing, but someone with a criminal mind? Im all set. This leads to corruption and discreet. Delta I believe in a lot of your thoughts but not this one. I hope you meant it in another context.
And you know this because..........????

You can be "all set" all you want. When I'm going to a bloody bar fight, I want the next guy through the door to be someone who has been around the block and knows how to handle himself. You can have the Casper Milquetoast choir boy who spent his teenage years playing video games & staying out of trouble, I'll take the guy who got in his share of scrapes down at the playground. Trust me, it makes all the difference in the world.


Posted by: gooday

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
The disqualifiers for a police job are a felony conviction, or a misdemeanor conviction involving a domestic incident or a crime of violence.

I personally want my back-up to have been around the block a few times. The best cops have criminal minds!
Your criminal mind is not so hot if you got caught.


Posted by: lawdog671

No Offense but I know cops with O.U.I's. One with two before he even got hired, I'm not going to drop names either but politics is everywhere bottom line. Backround checks mean nothing unless its real bad its all in who you know if you know someone and its wrong

Not me...and fact of the matter is...I m sure a few bad eggs get through the background process for cops..but nowhere near the same level as with SO's. Fact of the matter is some people who work for SO's feel holier than though because of who they know to get on in first place are the same ones who will promote them, protect them when they screw up, and ruin their reps more than if they just said no thanks in first place. I wont soapbox...hope that my original post helped the kid out that asked in the first place.


Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Quote:
Originally Posted by gooday
No Offense but I know cops with O.U.I's. One with two before he even got hired, I'm not going to drop names either but politics is everywhere bottom line. Backround checks mean nothing unless its real bad its all in who you know if you know someone and its wrong. My record has nothing on it but a few speeding tickets from when I was young and they gave me a hard time over that being hired. But then I here what some people have on there records and I cant believe they even got an interview not to even mention a job.
I think what is holding you back is you can't write or spell. I mean look at your above post.


Posted by: gooday

Ya some mistakes typing fast like it should be thier instead of there but who cares are you an English teacher . My point got accross regardless of spelling,people understood it.

I do agree with Lawdog, there are some on the Sheriffs office that get away with screwing up big because who they know. That is fact and I have seen it, the only good thing about them is that when there screw ups get swept under the rug the union can use it when a good guy gets jamed up. I'v seen many with juice get away with some crazy stuff but I'v also seen guys with huge pull do a good job. Not as often but it happens. Feel free to make any spelling corrections if you have nothing better to do.


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by gooday
Your criminal mind is not so hot if you got caught.
Who says I did?


Posted by: alphadog1

Are there departments out there who use the requirements of obtaining a LTC as part of the background investigation? My department will not hire if the candidate cannot obtain/renew a LTC. This includes a conviction for an OUI.


Posted by: k9sheriff

what if the conviction was for OUI before 1993?

Actually, who is it again that I believe is a Police Chief in Massachusetts(Essex county) with a conviction for OUI?


Posted by: Otto

Quote:
Originally Posted by lawdog671
So, how did you get the job? You will have people think that 1000 people / week apply for this crappy paying job?

I just got off active duty in the Marine Corps..and at the time..if you didn't have a dime to drop...the Dept. Superintendent at the time, Dep. Frisch (very nice guy I might add), hired you if he saw USMC on your application even if you didnt know anyone... And YES I would say 1000 is a high number, I was approximating...but there are over a hundred a week I'd say conservatively... No universal test to promote, and kind of depends on who you know... Some were so bad that it required policy review of officers that mandated a valid license because guys were driving S.O. cruisers and vans with SUSPENDED licenses for everything from deadbeat dads to OUI's. Some were your highly touted deputies you feel should be on the road.

Over a hundred a week is also not accurate. But anyway you will now have us believe that the deputy superintendent (who is druiven only by politics) just searches through all these applications looking for USMC. It is far more likely that someone called him and told him about you.

By the way way, did you complain to him that there was no test to get the job? Do you know what the promotional process is? Please tell us about it. You imply that there is not one.

Currently, the wait to get an academy slot is generally 6 months to a year. It is a lot better than it used to be. The uniforms are all the same now, so there is no distinction.
Since you were so kind to nitpick my comment, I'll be happy to share...

I wasn't nitpicking. Just correcting a statement that is not accurate.

Aren't you the guy who always says deputies should be out on the road doing everything regular police do?

No. Please cite examples of me saying that.

If you all wear the same uniform now, with the exception of the deputies badge versus a correction officer (which JOE PUBLIC would never know to look at), that kinda kicks you in the pants about trained deputies on the road. These temp guys don't have a full time CORRECTIONS academy, much less anything else...

"These temp guys," are not sworn in and have no law enforcement authority. I don't think they can even drive a marked cruiser.

Kind of like the kid who was flexing his sheriffs office patch at me as he was passing me on the right in my PC, at about 60 mph in a 35mph. Since I had worked there, I recognized the khakhi uniform he was wearing. So they're the trained guys in that same uniform you're consistently referring to?? Ask him how that worked out for him, he was working in the MODS at the time.

Nobody has worn khakhi uniforms in over two years. If he was, then he was a "temp" (see above). Without any details, it will be difficult for me to ask him anything.

I am not sure what the starting pay is, but it isn't that good and you get no benefits. It gets a lot better after the academy.OTTO

You just said $12 an hour...

Yes... Those are the "temps" you are talking about.

I'm not usually into breaking balls about the sheriffs, as I worked there for several years with some good guys...

That seems to be all you've done so far.

They belong inside the jail, where they are tremendously outnumbered by the cons inside. Not out trying to drive boats and motorcycles and helicopters...

I agree.

I don't want to go back inside the jail and rattle doors, so don't try to do mine...

I'm not. But you must know that crimes are committed inside every day. Should they be investigated and prosecuted? Who should do it?

AND I am speaking from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, so don't try and blow smoke up my ass. The kid that started the thread asked for honest info, and it was shared. Twist this how you want but the facts are the facts.

I too, am speaking from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I have a lot more of it than you. You are correct that there are people that should not be working there. So does every large police department.

With all of your personal experience with all theses corrupt people, you must have seen some doing things they should have not been doing. What did you do about it? How many did you report.
I'm not saying none of what you said is true. But it is not a fair and accurate portrayal of the entire operation.


Posted by: lawdog671

Over a hundred a week is also not accurate. But anyway you will now have us believe that the deputy superintendent (who is druiven only by politics) just searches through all these applications looking for USMC. It is far more likely that someone called him and told him about you.
Not sure where you see me state that the Dep Superintendant is driven solely by politics, but you seem to think that youre smarter than everyone else here, so I'll take your word. And for the record, If they were doing the right thing and actually looking, he would see that. Im not ashamed of being a Marine, so I wrote it prominently on my application. And as far as the 100 a week, do you work in an area where you're exposed to the amount of apps taken in? Curious because when I was there I didn't keep my head in the sand like an ostrich and actually spoke to people in human resources. That was taken from them, at the time I was there.
By the way way, did you complain to him that there was no test to get the job? Do you know what the promotional process is? Please tell us about it. You imply that there is not one.
I didn't complain because I didn't know then what I know now. And I did not IMPLY anything. The testing process for PROMOTIONS, which I did refer to, is a joke. WHEN I WAS THERE, there was a small written test on policy and procedure (where the trick question was which number key opened the gate at the end of corridor #1to the yard), and an oral board with one of the deputies, or a panel of them. Thats when it was who you knew or who you were related to came out.
Aren't you the guy who always says deputies should be out on the road doing everything regular police do?
No. Please cite examples of me saying that.
Im not going to even waste my time. Anyone who has read any of the sherriff threads know what youre all about.
"These temp guys," are not sworn in and have no law enforcement authority. I don't think they can even drive a marked cruiser.
These temp guys do swear in at the end of the 40 hour orientation week, and can enforce the same rules and regulations of the jail, including use of force to prevent escapes and assaults, etc that the "sworn" corrections officers can. AND AS I SAID, that was the uniform when I worked there. You JUST changed uniforms within the last year, so don't make it sound like this has been a longstanding thing. Oh and as a temp I was directed to drive a cruiser on a hospital trip with a sworn officer on a hospital trip at the direction of the shift supervisor. One firearm between two officers, with a violent suicidal inmate. Great.
You just said $12 an hour...
Yes... Those are the "temps" you are talking about.
So I guess that you're hired off the street now academy trained? Or do you still start as a temporary correctional officer with no benefits and a ballpark hourly wage of $12 and hour?
I'm not. But you must know that crimes are committed inside every day. Should they be investigated and prosecuted? Who should do it?
I do realize that they are, they're mostly animals in there so it would make sense that what they do on the street they do inside. Does special services investigate homicides or suicides inside the jail? Last I knew detectives from MSP CPAC did that. Or has that changed within the walls too?
I too, am speaking from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I have a lot more of it than you.
Now this is where you just turn into an ass clown. First of all, you have NO idea who I am. How could you even begin to claim you have more experience than I do? If you're so experienced, share some of it with us. Tell us where you work inside of the jail. The mods? Mini? Day shift/eves/midnights? Locked in central control watching the inmates go by? Or do you even work inside? Maybe one of the sheriffs "boys" in special services? Transportation? Don't call someone out until you know who they are or what they have done. You may be embarrased badly.
With all of your personal experience with all theses corrupt people, you must have seen some doing things they should have not been doing. What did you do about it? How many did you report.
Is a guy driving with a suspended license corrupt or trying to feed his family? Stuff like that was never heard of until after it happened. And when I was there I could care less unless you were the guy coming in still drunk from the night before and directly affecting my work. That corrupt? Nope. But should he be working? Nope again. But if you're in the right family tree, it's not a problem. I saw it time and time again. The corruption starts at the top and filters out when it gets to the rank and file who actually work the blocks. And as I said, I worked with a lot of good guys there, who are very good friends of mine, whom I still talk to. One of them lives across the street from me. You honestly think that none of these guys talk about what still goes on up there? Get off your soapbox because youre preaching to the choir. Fortunately for me I was lucky enough to get out of there.
I'm not saying none of what you said is true. But it is not a fair and accurate portrayal of the entire operation.
Right. Like the way you select bits and pieces of posts and make your smart ass comments? You speak like youre the only person who ever worked there.


Posted by: Otto

Quote:
Originally Posted by lawdog671
I didn't complain because I didn't know then what I know now. And I did not IMPLY anything. The testing process for PROMOTIONS, which I did refer to, is a joke. WHEN I WAS THERE, there was a small written test on policy and procedure (where the trick question was which number key opened the gate at the end of corridor #1to the yard), and an oral board with one of the deputies, or a panel of them. Thats when it was who you knew or who you were related to came out.

From this response, it appears to me that you never went for a promotion. I don't believe there was ever a written test. You don't know how many people sat on the interview board.

Im not going to even waste my time. Anyone who has read any of the sherriff threads know what youre all about.

Please waste your time and cite where i have said that deputies should be "on the road doing everything regular police do." I have often argued that the authority exists and in certain circumstances it makes sense to utilize them for assistance. Sheriffs do not have the money or the trained experienced personnel to be doing everyday police work.

These temp guys do swear in at the end of the 40 hour orientation week, and can enforce the same rules and regulations of the jail, including use of force to prevent escapes and assaults, etc that the "sworn" corrections officers can. AND AS I SAID, that was the uniform when I worked there. You JUST changed uniforms within the last year, so don't make it sound like this has been a longstanding thing. Oh and as a temp I was directed to drive a cruiser on a hospital trip with a sworn officer on a hospital trip at the direction of the shift supervisor. One firearm between two officers, with a violent suicidal inmate. Great.

As i said, they have no "police" authority outside the jail. If you knew that the uniforms changed, why didn't you say so in your initial post? You should not have been sent on that hospital trip.

I do realize that they are, they're mostly animals in there so it would make sense that what they do on the street they do inside. Does special services investigate homicides or suicides inside the jail? Last I knew detectives from MSP CPAC did that. Or has that changed within the walls too?

By statute the DA is required to investigate any deaths. Special Services assists them. Special Services investigates all other criminal activity.

I too, am speaking from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I have a lot more of it than you.
Now this is where you just turn into an ass clown. First of all, you have NO idea who I am. How could you even begin to claim you have more experience than I do? ... Don't call someone out until you know who they are or what they have done. You may be embarrased badly.

The fact that I was working there before Deputy Frisch began interviewing prospective employees, and he interviewed you, leads me to conclude that I was working there long before you were hired. You no longer work there. Therefor I have more personal experience with the department than you.

Is a guy driving with a suspended license corrupt or trying to feed his family? Stuff like that was never heard of until after it happened. And when I was there I could care less unless you were the guy coming in still drunk from the night before and directly affecting my work. That corrupt? Nope. But should he be working? Nope again...

I agree. But did you report it?

I'm not saying none of what you said is true. But it is not a fair and accurate portrayal of the entire operation.
Right. Like the way you select bits and pieces of posts and make your smart ass comments? You speak like youre the only person who ever worked there.
I select the portions of posts that I take issue with. Like most people do.

By the way, I spoke to someone in personnel and asked how many applications they get a week. He gave me the total for 2006. It was just over 350. That comes out to about 7 per week. Not close to the 1000 you originally stated, but closer to your second claim of 100.


Posted by: lawdog671

OTTO...Im not going to drag out minutiae about your suck ass job. Funny how you pick out the small things in my post to sharpshoot, like the number of applications. I was ballparking. Why is it that you had no other comment on the rest of my posts?
From this response, it appears to me that you never went for a promotion. I don't believe there was ever a written test. You don't know how many people sat on the interview board.
Yes there was. And if you "don't believe there was" that usually means youre not sure. My quote was told to me directly from a guy who tested for promotion. Is this what you refer to as correcting inaccurate statements? I never personally tested for a supervisor spot for a couple reasons. 1. I hated doing your job (NO OFFENSE TO THE HARDWORKING CO'S..just not for me.) 2. I was not related/owed political favors so no matter how well I did, it would have been for naught. 3. I knew I wasn't staying so why screw someone out of a spot that wanted it if I were to get it.
If you knew that the uniforms changed, why didn't you say so in your initial post?
Wasn't important at the time and I was referring to the current uniforms and the fact that everyone there has the same ones anyways, academy or not.
Please waste your time and cite where i have said that deputies should be "on the road doing everything regular police do.
Rather than waste time, I do read posts here even though in comparison I dont do a lot of posting myself. Id refer to many of the verbal sparring matches with BBELICHICK or any of the other guys regarding Middlesex SO, etc.
The fact that I was working there before Deputy Frisch began interviewing prospective employees, and he interviewed you, leads me to conclude that I was working there long before you were hired. You no longer work there. Therefor I have more personal experience with the department than you.
Since you're concluding allow me. You've been there a long time and in other posts refer to your place of employment within the WCSO as the investigative branch. Investigative branch at the jails falls under special services, otherwise known as the deputy sherriffs you defend so much. AND WHEN I WAS THERE, you had to be juiced in to get there. I'll leave that alone and won't ask how you got your job, even though you asked me.
I agree. But did you report it?
I know I ramble but read the whole thing. I said by the time I heard about it, it was known and done. I worked the blocks and tried to pay attention to that, not other CO's personal stuff.
Anyways...Im convinced that you're of those online guys who are never wrong, been there done that kind of guys. Im not gonna waste anymore of my time going back and forth because this is 6 minutes of my life I'm not gonna get back, fighting with some juiced in guy about politics, and a place I couldnt leave quick enough. Whoever started this thread...my personal opinion is to avoid that place like the plague. Work DOC if you want to do corrections, becuase if youre asking here you obvuiously don't have any juice at the jail.
MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION!




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