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IDEA: Police ID-> Statewide uniformity

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Posted by: 209

Just estimating there are roughly what 800 +/- Police agencies in Mass..
Thinking of Officer Safety...

What if the RMV issued Police ID's statewide that are uniform and easy to identify but difficult to duplicate. It could have roughly the same format as DL but put the Dept. in large letters, Special 9 digit ID number, no DOB, and instead of home address, dept address and phone number. They could also put a note in LEAPS that when an ID and/or OLN is ran it comes back Stating the Officers Department and Rank, along with contact info. This to be updated on date of hire and termination of employment.

Comments, Ideas?


Posted by: rocksy1826

I heard rumors of new ID's eventually (years from now, i'm sure) for all members of emergency services that have basic details like you stated, only there would be a chip in them that when scanned, all vital info, emergency contacts and medical details could be accessed in case of emergency. A type of smart card id.

supposedly, this idea came about post-9/11 due to the chaos of trying to figure out who showed up off-duty to help out and who was missing. At an MCI, the card could just be swiped on reporting to command and instantly your credentials would be verified (ems id's are so easy to duplicate it's a joke) and if something did happen, instant access to the necessary info to take care of you would be there.

this seems controversial due to people wanting to protect personal info from their employers so there would probably be a long debate of figuring who could access those details and for what reason. medical records aren't always something people want shared.


Posted by: Sgt Jack

While it's not a bad idea....With 800 or so police agencies in Mass like you say it would take them 10 years just to figure out what color to make it....


Posted by: Inspector

Back in the mid 70's I had to be sworn in as an officer in a neighboring town. The Chief gave me a special form to bring over to the New Hampshire DMV. They ran it through the license machine and I was issued an ID there which looked like a NH license to operate except it ID'd me as a police officer. I've had many ID's, electronic access tags and cards etc. since but that method was effective.


Posted by: Wolfman

Will Constables get one?


Posted by: Nightstalker

The RMV does something similar with everyone who does inspection stickers don't they?


Posted by: spdawg0734

Putting this in the hands of the RMV would be a serious mistake, one of the biggest problems they have is their own employees selling identifications, I can only imagine how much they could get for selling one of these identifications. In the same token, not only selling this information but releasing information on officers to individuals not allowed to maintain them. An universal identification is interesting but it will take quite a while to implement correctly, a quick fix could be disastrous.


Posted by: OCKS

Great idea in theory, but would be tough to implement. Like the comment above the RMV does't have a great history. Employees have been caught selling fake licenses ect. But I know what you mean our ID's looked like High School Id's from the 80's.


Posted by: Edmizer1

The biggest problem would be who is a law enforcement officer. Police Magazine listed the number of officers per state a few years a ago. Mass was the one state left blank because no one knows how many there are. Most states have licenses for police which wouldn't be a bad idea.


Posted by: REILEYDOG

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman
Will Constables get one?
Exactly. It's sounds like a good idea, but there would always be a way for hacks to get one. But then again, some selectmen, oops, I mean Poice Commisioners, already carry badges, so what's the difference.


Posted by: secret squirrel

Ocks

I agree that the RMV should be left out. It sounds like something the Mass State Police should be in charge of.


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by secret squirrel
It sounds like something the Mass State Police should be in charge of.
If that were the case, they'd only give ID cards to their own people.


Posted by: 209

Well I would be nice if something could be figured out....Maybe since Homeland security are so worried about ID theft and terrorism they could do it. A national registry with strict rules. One ID for all 50 states verifiable through a secure data base ( well as secure as you could get it ). I suppose that would seem impossible as well.


Posted by: MM1799

Quote:
Originally Posted by 209
...that are uniform and easy to identify but difficult to duplicate.
Ya, how'd that work out with the different version of driver's licenses?

Quote:
Originally Posted by secret squirrel
I agree that the RMV should be left out. It sounds like something the Mass State Police should be in charge of.

Uh.. you'd first have to explain the notion of using computers and technology to lessen the work load. Besides, it wouldn't be the MSP if it didn't have a paper trail!



Posted by: Opie

Quote:
Originally Posted by rocksy1826
I heard rumors of new ID's eventually (years from now, i'm sure) for all members of emergency services that have basic details like you stated, only there would be a chip in them that when scanned, all vital info, emergency contacts and medical details could be accessed in case of emergency. A type of smart card id.

supposedly, this idea came about post-9/11 due to the chaos of trying to figure out who showed up off-duty to help out and who was missing. At an MCI, the card could just be swiped on reporting to command and instantly your credentials would be verified (ems id's are so easy to duplicate it's a joke) and if something did happen, instant access to the necessary info to take care of you would be there.

this seems controversial due to people wanting to protect personal info from their employers so there would probably be a long debate of figuring who could access those details and for what reason. medical records aren't always something people want shared.
I believe they already are doing that now. We are currently putting all of our medical info, training, personal contact info, etc. for a Federal Police, First responder ID, that has a smart chip in it for MCI incidents. I think it's called Raptor ID or something like that. I have a web link and ID / Password to update myself. Not sure when they are implementing.


Posted by: dh18

Why not just build a system using the CJIS extranet. Similar to Mircs. Allow the depts to edit the info for each of their officers and have the IDs minted by CJIS and mailed to the dept.


Posted by: MarathonRunner

RMV does covert licenses with two clerks reporting to a state police Sergeant. No one else has access to the office or records.


Posted by: Mikey682

If I run into someone who claims to be an off-duty PO in the course of my duties, and I want to confirm it, I simply call the barracks and have the desk guy call over to whatever PD he claims to work for to confirm it. It Dosent take that long.

A state-wide police ID system would be HACKED and WHACKED within the first year, and we all know it.




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