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Posted by: masscopguy

Here is a link to story from Tuesday's Boston Globe about the UMass Amhearst Police

http://www.boston.com/news/education...the_dorm_beat/

Posted by: topcop14

These silly ZOO MASS liberals are the future of this state. NOT GOOD! ! !

Posted by: Inspector

Hell...when I used to hang around Amherst and wanted some private time with my girlfriend we used to have to leave town. There was no privacy with the housemother at Iota Gamma Upsilon.

Posted by: mpd61

Arrest them all, let the magistrate and God sort em out!!!!!!

Posted by: mcpd704

I wouldnt think that the hallways in a dormitory would be considered an area where any resident would have a reasonable expectation of privacy since it is accessible to the public, or invitees of other residents, and also to the University Staff. In my opinion, this would be similiar to a hallway in an apartment building..although I could be wrong since I havent looked up any case law on this subject. I suppose that the University could make it their policy that the officers not walk through the hallways. In my opinion, whether the arrest is being made for "petty drinking" or for any other violation of the law, it is all good and I dont personally think there is any violation of the 4th Amendment.

Posted by: laxball33

You guys are hippocrates. Think back to before you put your blues on and your ego swelled to what you used to do as a kid. I know I wasn't always an angel and used to love going to visit the girlfriend at the time at Umass Amherst. Although I'll admit I wasn't a pot smoker, I definately wasn't a non-drinker. Just remember, it's easy to forget your childhood and pass judgement on those that are younger just because you think they might generate some court time and forget you were once in their shoes. I know first hand that some of these yahoos will click cuffs on a kid for the first arrestable bogus offense just because they get a stiffy. A good cop isn't measured by how many times he can make a stupid ordinance arrest.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by laxball33

You guys are hippocrates. Think back to before you put your blues on and your ego swelled to what you used to do as a kid. I know I wasn't always an angel and used to love going to visit the girlfriend at the time at Umass Amherst. Although I'll admit I wasn't a pot smoker, I definately wasn't a non-drinker. Just remember, it's easy to forget your childhood and pass judgement on those that are younger just because you think they might generate some court time and forget you were once in their shoes. I know first hand that some of these yahoos will click cuffs on a kid for the first arrestable bogus offense just because they get a stiffy. A good cop isn't measured by how many times he can make a stupid ordinance arrest.

Well said.

Posted by: new guy

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Originally Posted by laxball33

I understand your point but if the Officers are just following their marching orders (clean house / zero tolerence ), than it has nothing to do with swelled egos and getting a charge over making a BS arrest.

Posted by: brk120

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Originally Posted by laxball33

You couldn't be more wrong. First off, is it being a hippocrate when you arrest someone for something you did when you were younger? I dont think so. If they arrest someone for sonething the arresting officer was doing the day before than I would say that thats being a hippocrate. These officers don't arrest everyone of these yahoo's. A good portion I would say yes. But if they didn't, later in the night they would be called for the same drunken student hurting himself, others, or causing a mess. It happens time and time again. You try do give someone a break and they shove it up your a**. Then again some of them don't, but usually thats not the case. If the students drank booze and kept it low key then there wouldn't be a problem. And there are many responsible students who do that. Its mostly the ones that act like idiots. And if a student is stupid enough to smoke weed in his/her dorm room and doesn't expect it to get into the hallway than he/she is a friggin idiot. When I was young and dumb (now I'm older and dumb) I partied at Umass, the sandpits, woods, houses, backroads, etc...; I knew that there was a chance of getting caught and getting arrested. Those that dont realize it are just plain ignorant. The Umass officers don't just lock everyone up and throw a party after. You'll see certain officers go to extreme lenghts to help certain individuals try to get things straightened out.

Posted by: masscopguy

Not to come off sounding like Joe Friday, but you really can't pick and choose which laws you are going to enforce and which ones you are going to lok the other way on.

I personally think 420 should be legal but I can't decide if I find a kid with weed I can say "all right it is just a little grass get out of here." And if I did, before long, I would be back on Monster.com looking for a new job.

I am sure the Globe would be happy to do a major story on the effectivness of the UMass Police, if a drunk kid fell out a 10 story window or was struck by a car on campus while under the influence after leaving a dorm party.

Posted by: new guy

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Originally Posted by masscopguy

Not to come off sounding like Joe Friday, but you really can't pick and choose which laws you are going to enforce and which ones you are going to lok the other way on.

I personally think 420 should be legal but I can't decide if I find a kid with weed I can say "all right it is just a little grass get out of here." And if I did, before long, I would be back on Monster.com looking for a new job.

I am sure the Globe would be happy to do a major story on the effectivness of the UMass Police, if a drunk kid fell out a 10 story window or was struck by a car on campus while under the influence after leaving a dorm party.

What are you talking about ? Cops use discretion all of the time. My guess is that the rank and file at UMASS PD have been told to step up enforcement by the Admin or their brass, and if that's true, than they gotta do what they gotta do and should not be faulted for it. That doesn't change the fact that cops can and should have the ability to exercise discretion for most minor offenses.

Posted by: Macop

Laxball wrote
You guys are hippocrates. Think back to before you put your blues on and your ego
swelled to what you used to do as a kid. I know I wasn't always an angel and used to love going to visit the girlfriend at the time at Umass Amherst. Although I'll admit I wasn't a pot smoker, I definately wasn't a non-drinker. Just remember, it's easy to forget your childhood and pass judgement on those that are younger just because you think they might generate some court time and forget you were once in their shoes. I know first hand that some of these yahoos will click cuffs on a kid for the first arrestable bogus offense just because they get a stiffy. A good cop isn't measured by how many times he can make a stupid ordinance arrest.

BULLSHIT!!

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by masscopguy

Not to come off sounding like Joe Friday, but you really can't pick and choose which laws you are going to enforce and which ones you are going to lok the other way on.

You certainly can. It's called discretion.

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Originally Posted by masscopguy

I personally think 420 should be legal but I can't decide if I find a kid with weed I can say "all right it is just a little grass get out of here." And if I did, before long, I would be back on Monster.com looking for a new job.

What the hell department do you work for? Not only can I do exactly what you described, I've done it many times. I log the weed for destruction, which takes about 10 minutes, and that's the end of it.

Posted by: laxball33

I'm with Delta. The courts don't even want to see these little amounts. 90% of the time the cases go south and it's dismissed. Most of the time I see these regulars with warrants and my first question is where is the crack rock cause they always have one on them and it ends up dragged across the roadway on the bottom of my shoe.
Discretion in this job is paramount. Macop, while you're intitled to your unsubstantiated comment, I feel sorry for the people you come in contact with if that's your attitude. And the guy that said, Arrest everyone and let the magistrate and god sort them out". Well I hope your saying the same phrase when either your son or daughter is in college and runs into your protege.
Guys, just remember sometimes the best judge is an angry parent.

Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by laxball33

You guys are hippocrates. I know first hand that some of these yahoos will click cuffs on a kid for the first arrestable bogus offense just because they get a stiffy. .

Oh yes.....please amuse us with your "first hand" account of which "yahoos" you are speaking of and their obvious state of arousal.

You really need to give up the attitude. It doesn't help much

Posted by: new guy

It looks like UMASS had another riot last night. These are the types of incidents that lead to crackdowns on underage drinking. Those of you that look down on campus PO's for aggressive enforcement shouldn't be so quick to judge them. I am an advocate of being reasonable and using discretion but having been exposed to several riots myself, and other serious incidents stemming from alcohol, I know that aggressive enforcement sometimes has its place.

Posted by: brk113

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Originally Posted by laxball33

Buddy I do not know where you work or where you come from but you should know the facts before judge people or throwing punches at them. I work at UMPD and before becoming a cop there, I worked in a municipality. I know where I came from and I remember what I did when I was younger. I didn’t’ get the big hard one for arresting people for stupid shit. Fact 1 The ordinance arrests like open container are made by the Town of Amherst Police so if you want to make your stiffy comment talk to them. Fact 2 There are over 800 arrests and summons this year for the same kind of arrest that you make in your jurisdiction. We deal with all kinds of problems and issues. When was the last time you had to deal with a riotous crowd throwing bottles, rocks and anything else they could find at you just because their team won or lost? Do you know what it is like to look at the thousands of people doing this? Yes, I may have screwed up when I was a child but I do understand what discretion is and we all use it here.

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by laxball33

You guys are hippocrates.

Seriously? THANKS!

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Hippocrates was a Greek physician born in 460 BC on the island of Cos, Greece. He became known as the founder of medicine and was regarded as the greatest physician of his time. He based his medical practice on observations and on the study of the human body. He held the belief that illness had a physical and a rational explanation. He rejected the views of his time that considered illness to be caused by superstitions and by possession of evil spirits and disfavor of the gods.

More work on the education, ok?

Posted by: laxball33

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More work on the education, ok?

Yeah, I'll try there big guy. Right now it's only earning my 20% though. Can you say the same?

Posted by: 1moreftrleo

"They also say the patrols stifle the notion of college being a time for self-discovery and experimentation."

Wait... so the police interfere with college students' decisions on whether or not they'd like to become criminals?

Posted by: SPINMASS

tough to believe huh. Why would they want to try and keep the kids from ruining their lives. Don't give me the crap about arresting them for a little weed is going to ruin their life cause it's not, but hopefully it will keep them from going on a downward spiral.

Posted by: HELPMe

Just for clarification purposes do the UMASS officers arrest for paraphernalia and with possession but without intent to distribute? An example being you walk down a dorm hall and smell weed in the door jam of that room. You knock on the door and announce your presence. Upon gaining entry to the room you ask who had been smoking the mj and who it belongs too? A student eventually comes forward and shows you the joint he has on his desk. Would these officers arrest in a situation like that? Or would they take students name and info for a judicial hearing?

The reason i am asking is that i know dedham district doesnt like our department to arrest for minor possession cases and paraphernalia . Due to the fact that it jams up the courts with many small time cases. Just wondering if the courts felt the same out west if they were indeed arresting the students for these offences.

Posted by: Out2lunch

Found this on a ZooMass post thought it would be good to pass along

DISCLAIMER: This is not a baseball post.

As most of you know, the Red Sox won the ALCS Wednesday night, and it led them to their eleventh American League Pennant. People around the world rejoiced, as the Evil Empire had been defeated, for now. State Universities celebrated, Yankee fans cried.

In the average Massachusetts University, the baseball fan base is predominantly a Red Sox one, with maybe a quarter of that Yankee fans. The rest of the baseball teams are negligible.

After that fateful groundout by Ruben Sierra, Dorms at UMass emptied, all going down to the Southwest living complex (the largest dorm complex on campus) to participate in riots. The news makes them seem like horrible, murderous gatherings by 18-22 year olds, when in fact it's not. So, after the majority of the UMass populous was down in Southwest, my friends and I started to try and get chants of "JOH-NNY DA-MON!" and "FUCK THE YANKEES" going, to no avail.

The Massachusetts State police were already on campus in full force, decked out in full riot gear, complete with body armor, Plexiglas face shields, zip ties (we'll get to these later) and mounted police (Horses, for retards like honeycake). We were all having a good time, hanging out, chanting shit, some were drinking, others looked on from inside their dorms, and generally everyone was just happy that our lord and savior hit a grand slam against that lowly maggot Javier Vasquez.

Once the crowd started to get too large, the Riot police started to advance. They formed a line and started marching toward us. Most people ran, others stayed and dared the cops to come and get them. Several police with paintball guns filled with oleoresin capsicum pellets, or "long distance pepper spray," came out and started firing into the crowd. Several people were hit and ran away, while others remained like retards wanting to get hit again.

My friends and I, on the other hand, had no intention of getting arrested by the State Police, so we ran. Unfortunately, we ran into a blockade of other retards trying to put a resistance together, so we were delayed. We ran around them, but waited for a few minutes to see what would happen.

My friends were retarded, so I decided to leave. I turned to start back to my room, when one of the paintball cops started firing into the crowd again. This guy was about twenty feet away from us when he let loose a barrage of stinging balls of fire. I got hit in the little toe, and immediately crumpled to the ground, howling in pain. The fucker broke my toe, with a paintball.

The crowd dispersed around me very quickly (think about 2 seconds) and I was left all alone. The paintball dude told me to get up and move, and I told him my toe was broken. "MOVE!" he screamed at me. "I CAN'T MY FUCKING TOE IS BROKEN!" Three oleoresin capsicum pellets to the sternum. "MOVE!" By this time I was blind, and could barely breathe because of the burning sensation all over my face.

Then, four strong hands picked me up and put my hands in a big zip-tie (one-direction, hard plastic cord that is faster and cheaper than handcuffs, which is mostly used in crowd control) and sat on a bench. After about 20 minutes of sitting on a bench with what felt like sand underneath my eyelids, and a terrible sunburn on my face, an officer standing next to me (I could hear his radio) told me to go home.

Apparently he didn't realize that I had a broken toe, and was still completely blind from the blood vessel dilation in my eyes, but no, I didn't get any help finding my way home. I then proceeded for the next 40 minutes to walk into benches, walls, railings, and basically anything you could run into while walking. Finally, I heard some chatter in the distance. A group of girls were sitting on the grass talking.

I slowly (and most likely really weirdly) approached them. I simply said, "Can one of you tell me if I'm anywhere near Sylvan?" I heard some stifled giggling and then one of them spoke up. "No hun, you're still in Southwest. Sylvan is on the other side of campus."

Crap. I hadn't even gotten out of this horrid place, and I was still blind as fuck. "Well, this is going to sound kind of weird, but can one of you take me there, I can't see a damn thing, I got shot with a few of those capsicum paintballs." Silence. Damn it, I was going to have to let this shit wear off and then walk for a half hour back to my room. "I'll take you back there, I live in Brown." Sweet.

We started walking, I was sort of hopping because of my fucking toe, and she told me that my face was really red, my pupils were completely dilated, and that I looked like I got in a fight with a heroin needle. As we got around halfway back to my room, my vision started to return, but my face still hurt. I turned to look at my guide, and my god, she was fucking gorgeous! But I digress. I didn't tell her I could see, I just kept walking.

We got back to brown, my building, and she led me down to the dungeon that is the basement, and to my room. By that time, my face had stopped hurting a bit, I could see clearly, but my tow was still in howling pain. My guide gave me her screen name, and left, but not before giving me a peck on the cheek and telling me I was cute.

Cute? What the hell? An hour ago I was blind, gimpy, and looked like a narcotics enthusiast. Oh well, at least the Sox are in the World Series. I'm thankful for that.

And for all you Yankee fans, I must say, you put up a good fight, which is respectable in any case. But, we won this year. Better luck next time.

If I may quote Munkey:
GO RED SOX WOO!!!

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - Updated: 03:11 AM EST

As the seconds blinked away Friday night at Finley Stadium in Chattanooga, Tenn., thousands of Appalachian State football fans were poised to storm the field to celebrate their team’s 28-17 victory over UMass in the Division 1-AA national championship.

And that’s exactly what happened: Once the issue was settled, with the Mountaineers sitting on the ball as the helpless, deflated Minutemen stood by, practically every square inch of FieldTurf was covered with the winning team’s faithful. It was at that moment that, looking down from the press box, I spotted UMass strong safety James Ihedigbo, caught up in a swarm of Appalachian State fans as he tried to exit the field.

Most of the fans simply galloped past Ihedigbo in search of that special Appalachian State player in their lives. But a couple of fans slapped Ihedigbo on the back as they raced past the UMass defensive captain. Another guy threw him a shoulder.

Ihedigbo’s reaction to this? He turned at one point and stopped, and then turned again, continuing his way toward the UMass sideline.

My money would have been on Ihedigbo in that confrontation. But there was no confrontation. For Ihedigbo, dignity in defeat was more important than cold-cocking some obnoxious fan.

Too bad Ihedigbo’s fellow UMass students back home in Amherst were unable, or unwilling, to summon the same measure of dignity that carried the UMass football team from the FieldTurf to the field house.

According to the UMass Police Department, more than 2,000 students took part in a postgame riot at the school’s Southwest residential area late Friday night and early Saturday morning. How bad was it? When campus police ordered the students to disperse, a beer bottle was thrown at the sergeant who made the announcement on a portable amplifier.
By the time peace was restored - after the Massachusetts State Police were called in - 11 people, including 10 students, had been arrested.

“We categorize riots on a scale of 1 to 5,” Lt. Robert Thrasher of the campus police told me yesterday. “This one was a 4.”

Students threw bottles and rocks, flung CDs as though they were Frisbees and retooled trash can lids into shields. One enterprising student heaved a 5-gallon jug of water out of a window of one of the Southwest towers, narrowly missing a campus police officer. Thrasher was hit on the wrist with a rock.
Way to go, UMass students.

During a period in which the success of your athletic teams has done so much to show UMass in a positive light, some of you have chosen to react by setting things on fire and throwing rocks at police officers.

In the last three weeks alone, the UMass hockey team has registered an upset of Boston College, and the men’s basketball team has gone into Freedom Hall and emerged with a victory over UMass alum Rick Pitino and his Louisville Cardinals.

And then there’s the football team: Following three consecutive playoff victories, including an upset of Montana in the semifinals, the Minutemen were deadlocked with Appalachian State in the fourth quarter Friday night until the Mountaineers took charge and put the game out of reach.

And then, down at Southwest, all hell broke loose.

“I hate to quote my elderly mother, who is a retired UMass employee, but some of our students did not act with good sportsmanship,” Thrasher said. “And the thing is, 95 percent of our students are wonderful people. We’re talking about the other 5 percent who shouldn’t be here.”

These days, it’s usually the athletes who cause the trouble. We keep reading sobering stories about nightclub brawls, concealed weapons and drunken-driving arrests.
Yet this UMass football team seems to be above all that. The aforementioned Ihedigbo, as tough as he is on the field, carries himself like a future ambassador off it. Quarterback Liam Coen, tailback Steve Baylark and punter Christian Koegel speak about UMass with such reverence that you’d think they were planted on the football team by the school’s marketing people.

In this case, the players taught us about how to show dignity in defeat.

As for those 2,000 students, it’s their turn to focus attention on UMass. And what we’re seeing is not pretty.

The above along with this post was/is on college websites found on a google search...
enjoy

AMHERST, Mass. (AP) -- University of Massachusetts officials promised "swift disciplinary action" against students who rioted after the football team lost the Division I-AA championship game.

Eleven people, including 10 students, were arrested and two UMass police officers sustained minor injuries in the melee, in which students lit small fires, smashed windows and threw bottles, cans, rocks and even bicycles at police, according to campus spokesman Ed Blaguszewski.
The rioting began after about 1,800 students surged onto a plaza in a southwest residential area of campus late Friday, shortly after UMass lost 28-17 to Appalachian State in the championship game in Chattanooga, Tenn.

"I'm outraged and terribly disappointed in the students involved in this disturbance," said Michael Gargano, vice chancellor for student affairs and campus life. "This type of behavior hurts the majority of our students who are studying and preparing for final exams and are at the university for all the right reasons."

The cases against the arrested students will be reviewed early this week and any discipline will be handed down by week's end, Blaguszewski said. Punishment could include expulsion and loss of this semesters academic record, Gargano said.

[b]About 60 officers, including UMass, state and Amherst police, responded in riot gear. They used pepper ball, sting ball, flash bangs and smoke to eventually disperse the crowd, Blaguszewski said. [/B]"Students were throwing trash cans and breaking windows and the riot squad came, and they were throwing tear gas and shooting pellets at the crowd," student Dan Nguyen told The Boston Globe. "It was pretty crazy." The university said a damage estimate wouldn't be available until early next week.

The arrested students face charges of disorderly conduct and failure to disperse. UMass police chief Barbara O'Connor said more people could be charged or disciplined after a review of security camera video and swipe card data, which shows who went in and out of nearby residence halls.

go to youtube and put in Umass Riots.... I think these college kids really like to riot....

Posted by: fscpd907

Projectile could have killed Chief, police say

Eric Athas, Collegian Staff

Posted: 12/19/06

During the riot that occurred on Friday night, University of Massachusetts Police Chief Barbara O'Connor was nearly hit by a projectile that police say could have killed her, according to a public safety alert released by UMPD.

The projectile, described as "a one gallon container of a liquid, believed to be water," apparently was thrown from an upper window in the John Quincy Adams tower. The gallon of water then landed on the west side of the quad, nearly striking O'Connor.

The public safety alert states "Had this container hit its target severe injury and possibly death would be the expected outcome."

Friday's riot was sparked following the UMass football team's NCAA Division I Championship 28-17 loss to Appalachian State in Chattanooga, Tenn. According to police, more than 1,800 students flowed into the Southwest quad at approximately 11:10 p.m.

The disturbance resulted in the injury and bruising of several officers.

"During the disturbance, many projectiles, including rocks, bottles, full beer cans, trash cans and other objects were intentionally thrown at the police," reads the safety alert. "These assaults resulted in two officers being injured at the scene and many more now reporting substantial bruising."

The safety alert called on students for help in retrieving more information regarding the riots. It also included a photo of participants standing around a fire. The alert was e-mailed to students yesterday.

Posted by: ferus fidelitas

as is typical in those situations, i've experienced several, the vast majority of the "2000" were not throwing anything.. just stupid kids enjoying the excitement of the show...as the campus officer said "95% are good kids" - who is causing the problems ? boot them out of the college ! Zero 2'nd chances for punks that throw anything at anyone. Screw "diversity" and other liberal BS for people that try to hurt others. If those 11 kids are not expelled by the school, the campus police should push it hard and embarass the administration. These kids are old enough to suffer consequences for their immature behavior. Those types should be targeted by the cpo's. I assume that most of the cpo's use discretion on relatively minor, non violent or theft related offenses done by ambitious, well meaning kids that make an occasional stupid mistake..like we've all done.. this job is about common sense and judgement - not about "stats" - I'm happy that none of the S P or CPO's were hurt

Posted by: Inspector

UMass is finally getting serious. Word this morning is they tossed 5 of the idiots out into the cruel world and took disciplinary action against others. It's only when colleges take sure swift punishment against to violators that others get the point and learn they are there to learn, not to run amock

Posted by: resqjyw0

if you watch this video posted on youtube, I think this is shows the Chief almost getting hit by the gallon jug of whatever it was.

Can't post a link but if you put "watch?v=TS6b9COVbx0" after youtube.com/ it will take you to the video.

Posted by: ferus fidelitas

what difference does it make if it was a cpo or the campus security chief...,or another student..? the pupils should not throw anything at anyone. if they do, expel and prosecute them... zero second chances.. Sometimes I thnk those college administrators favor tuition payments over their employees...

Posted by: Macop

I dont know who who is worst, laxball, or ferus.

Posted by: laxball33

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Originally Posted by Macop

I dont know who who is worst, laxball, or ferus.

macop, what are you a retarded owl? you only need one "who" in the above post and the word you were looking for is worse, not worst
Let's stop this childish approach of chasing around after my posts and trying to burn me after you looked like a chump in the "Brockton PD" post. Swallow your pride and move on.

Posted by: ferus fidelitas

Macop , exactly what kind of "police officer" are you ? campus, municipal, state or other ? I am a very experienced full time police officer n a large, busy department... tell us about you....honestly, unless you lack honor..

Posted by: new guy

Ferus, you say that you work as a PO for a large / busy city and that is honorable. Putting down other agencies, small town cops, and campus PO's, is not honorable. You've made it clear in your posts that small town cops and campus PO's are less legit. True, some agencies are busier than others but there are plenty of cops who work for small towns and colleges that have and will put their life on the line in the course of duty. They protect and serve their community with a sense of purpose and take great pride in their profession. These officers do not deserve to have their legitimacy attacked by another Police Officer, what they deserve, is your mutual respect.

Posted by: nightcopppa

Hey waxballs, looks like those citizens of your fine community are getting there monies worth for that 20% they're paying you. Don't you think they are at least entitled to a cop who can spell. You rip on other people for typo's and you have the writing skills of a three year old. Another typical lazy ass Officer who uses "discretion" as an excuse for not enforcing the laws and doing the job that is expected of them. I'm sure all those kids that you took the illegal narcotics from really learned their lesson. Hey it's just weed right? No big deal. Ask the fallen Officer's families who have lost husbands or wives to shitbags who killed them over marijuana. You are paid to enforce the laws that SOCIETY and legislators have approved. That is part of your job. If the court wants to toss it, then so be it. With that supposed bachelor's degree you earned you thin that you would at least have an understanding of the CJ system and the ripple effect that it has when Officer's enforce even the seemingly insignificant laws that you speak of. You get these violators into the system and hold them accountable for breaking the laws that are in place. Then they correct their behavior or as they often do, continue breaking laws. As they repeatedly show up at court for "insignificant" offenses, the penalties get more severe. Or you could just dump out their bag and tell them how wrong they were. I'm sure they'll get a chuckle out of it when they go to their dealer's house an hour later and buy another bag. Do us a favor and fucking retire already will ya. What a joke.

Posted by: K.Lavoie

New Guy, I am with you 110%. I believe that every officer performing these duties all have great pride in their profession and deserve the same respect. We should all have mutual respect for anybody who puts their life on the line everyday for others and not fight about who or what job is better. We should just thank god that there are people out there willing to perform these duties.

Posted by: Macop

Well said K.Lavois, nightcoppa, and new guy. Hey Assball you did not make me look like a chump, unlike your ignorant self, I was more than happy to admit I may have been wrong and then explained myself. Now if you have anymore puke to spit out on the subject keep in the "Brockton" section of the Municipal forum. Ferus, I don't have prove anything to you other then I am twice the cop you'll ever be for the mere fact I would never drag myself down to the filthy level your at to proudly shit on other cops because of where they work. I'm amazed some cops still pull that crap. What kind of Police Officer am I, i'll tell you. The kind that doesnt piss on other cops, obviously you are. Why don't you go away and leave us real cops to debate the issues in an articulate and civilized manner, something you and your assclown boyfreind mouth-full-of-balls can't seem to do!

Posted by: laxball33

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Originally Posted by nightcopppa

Hey waxballs, looks like those citizens of your fine community are getting there monies worth for that 20% they're paying you. Don't you think they are at least entitled to a cop who can spell. You rip on other people for typo's and you have the writing skills of a three year old. Another typical lazy ass Officer who uses "discretion" as an excuse for not enforcing the laws and doing the job that is expected of them. I'm sure all those kids that you took the illegal narcotics from really learned their lesson. Hey it's just weed right? No big deal. Ask the fallen Officer's families who have lost husbands or wives to shitbags who killed them over marijuana. You are paid to enforce the laws that SOCIETY and legislators have approved. That is part of your job. If the court wants to toss it, then so be it. With that supposed bachelor's degree you earned you thin that you would at least have an understanding of the CJ system and the ripple effect that it has when Officer's enforce even the seemingly insignificant laws that you speak of. You get these violators into the system and hold them accountable for breaking the laws that are in place. Then they correct their behavior or as they often do, continue breaking laws. As they repeatedly show up at court for "insignificant" offenses, the penalties get more severe. Or you could just dump out their bag and tell them how wrong they were. I'm sure they'll get a chuckle out of it when they go to their dealer's house an hour later and buy another bag. Do us a favor and fucking retire already will ya. What a joke.

Hey Nightpoopa, You must be sitting next to me in the third grade. If you would take off your buford t justice glasses and think for a minute then you would realize the good citizens of my community pay 100% of my salary not 20%, plus the 10% Quinn. The state pays the other 10%. And just so you know the word in bold in your above quote should be think not thin. Remember the spell check corrects spelling not grammar. If you are a cop you remember attention to details in the academy don't you? They weren't just talking about making sure you name is on the road job list. As far as that "ripple" effect you were speaking of, we uneducated refer to that as the broken windows philosophy. You must have misread the earlier post before you saw red and started your diatribe. I stated I use "discretion" at times and don't arrest every person for every small infraction I find. Many of us who do work in busy areas know that if you spend your day brining in every arrestable offense you see your supervisors will not be happy that everyone else needs to cover your sector calls. You and macop should hook up and work together, maybe even get some dinner and see if there's any romance.
And macop, you did look like a chump. You only admitted you were wrong after being caught in a lie, but I'm done with that nonsense let's all move along and get along.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by nightcopppa

Another typical lazy ass Officer who uses "discretion" as an excuse for not enforcing the laws and doing the job that is expected of them.

If I enforced every violation of the law I came across, I'd spend my entire night in the report room, piss-off the booking sergeant, REALLY piss-off the other cops who are shagging my calls while I'm in the report room, and further clog an already overburdened court system.

We are given discretion for a reason....if you were really a cop, you'd understand why.

Posted by: HELPMe

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Originally Posted by laxball33

As far as that "ripple" effect you were speaking of, we uneducated refer to that as the broken windows philosophy.

Ahh, good old "broken windows theory" the philosophy of enforcing small local ordinances/bi-laws in an effort to promote community awareness along with the desire to drive out the criminal element through the up keep of neighborhoods and personal property. NYC used this model and it worked really well for them in Brooklyn.
It got rid of alot of abandoned property and vice/narcotic crimes.

As far as the mutual respect. We all do the same job some just have a larger patrol area. Atleast thats how I look at it.

Posted by: Macop

Ya know laxball you really are a piece of work, for christ sake. Not everyone works in a busy dept.

I don't need to lie, so back up off of it. And if you have anything more to say about it keep it in the Brockton post.

I'd have no problem working with nightcoppa, he obviously doesnt have the same attitude problem you suffer from.

Delta, I don't think Nightcoppa was suggesting to go out and bag EVERY violation. I think he was refering to cops that would use that to do ABSOLUTLEY nothing, I agree with your point, depending on where you work.

HELPMe wrote:
As far as the mutual respect. We all do the same job some just have a larger patrol area. Atleast thats how I look at it.
AGREED!!

Posted by: MM1799

"You have bad grammar and make typos!"
"... oh ya? You can't spell..."
"You're in the 3rd grade!!!"
"You are sitting next to me!"

What's next?
"I'm telling!!"
"... oh ya? Well I already told."
Hold on, I'll get my 10 year old boys. They can give you guys some better material.

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Originally Posted by Delta784

piss-off the booking sergeant, REALLY piss-off the other cops

You piss off anyone at the Quincy PD?? A little birdy told me you're an angel... with a blog.

Posted by: laxball33

Yup, MM1799 your right, this got way off course and just became a pissing contest. I'm done.

And HelpMe as far as the mutual respect, I agree as well. This whole pissing contest started over the use of discretion and I hope no one ever took my posts as me trying to say a town cop is any less than a city cop because that definitely wasn't the message I was trying to convey. I would have the same beliefs no matter where I was working.

I hope everyone has a safe and prosperous new year, that includes you too Macop.

Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by ferus fidelitas

I am a very experienced full time police officer n a large, busy department... ..

Wow!

Can we all bow down and lick your boots clean??????

Posted by: Macop

His boots are already clean, after all he is a big bad city cop.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Reading more and more of this Fetus Fatalis's posts, the more I think he is nothing but a fake and an idiot.

Posted by: nightcopppa

Delta wrote:
If I enforced every violation of the law I came across, I'd spend my entire night in the report room, piss-off the booking sergeant, REALLY piss-off the other cops who are shagging my calls while I'm in the report room, and further clog an already overburdened court system.

We are given discretion for a reason....if you were really a cop, you'd understand why.

That's what a criminal complaint is for tough guy. But I'm sure you have an excuse for that too right. Oh then I suppose it would piss off the courts. Wrong. If you were a real cop then you would know that. They move small cases through before it even gets to a PC hearing, so how is that clogging the system? Oh I guess you don't want to make the court secretary's mad? Or maybe it would take you off the streets for a whole hour and you would miss the "real" calls right? Another BS excuse for a lazy retried on duty joke such as yourself. Ask the narcotics or vice guys how they generate CI's to address the big fish pushing junk to kids on the street. It's via the Officer's that take their job seriously and actually follow through on their cases instead of waiting for the "real" calls that come few and far between. But I suppose you're a "real cop" in a "real" police dept., so you're probably call to call all night long. I've been doing this for a long time so spare me your bullshit. I suppose all of your 1,200 posts on this website are done on your spare time and not while at work right? We all know the truth my friend. Sounds to me like you are a little sally who's afraid of making a decision that might make somebody mad at you. Grow a pair will ya.

Posted by: new guy

This one has gotten way off track and has become a real pissing contest for no good reason. The application of discretion will vary from department to department for any number of reasons. Most of us on this website do the best we can within the confines of what's expected of us. Therefore, if any of you were to put on a UMASS uniform, than you would likely do whats expected of you and strictly enforce whatever it is that the department and/or admin views as a high priority. If you were to change uniforms and work for certain cities such as Brockton or Quincy PD, than you would probably take a different approach and act in accordance with your department norms. Some departments want you to stir things up and try to find or prevent something, while others want you to pick your spots. It is not right to say that one is a whacker for strictly enforcing certain laws, nor is it right to consider someone a slacker for taking a different approach. People should try putting themselves in the others shoes before attacking someone that they don't know anything about.

Posted by: nightcopppa

New guy, you have a valid point. I'm done with this one.

Posted by: Macop

Well said New Guy.

Posted by: fscpd907

Posted: 12/29/06

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