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Posted by: underdod47

Boston College Police ran up against it the other day 3 muttonheads on campus who "couldn't find their way to a party", a quick check in the system, a hit a quick pat-frisk and a murder suspect with a 9mm taken away great job use all the tools you have and win one.


Posted by: Mongo

Quote:
Originally Posted by underdod47
Boston College Police ran up against it the other day 3 muttonheads on campus who "couldn't find their way to a party", a quick check in the system, a hit a quick pat-frisk and a murder suspect with a 9mm taken away great job use all the tools you have and win one.
You should PM Ferus Fidelitas with this post cuz he thinks campus police only turn keys and put kids to bed.


Posted by: Sgt Jack

Mongo I wouldn't pay this guy too much mind...seems like every so often we get one of these nuckleheads on the board that like to pull the pin and toss a grenade at the College and University Police....then enjoy the fall out.....some folks just won't ever get it and find the need to shit on someone else...Strong work by BC...


Posted by: Mongo

I know but I'm having fun.


Posted by: underdod47

I hope that wasn't at me I was commending BCPD, for a job well done and as a former City and College officer I strongly believe that both should have access to the same tools NCIC, Firearms etc. As long as you have the responsibility to deprive a person of their freedom you should have all the tools necessary to do an effective job, and do it safely. Imagine the same incident at any College where there are unarmed officers the outcome could have been very different, again great job by BCPD


Posted by: Mongo

Quote:
Originally Posted by underdod47
I hope that wasn't at me I was commending BCPD, for a job well done and as a former City and College officer I strongly believe that both should have access to the same tools NCIC, Firearms etc. As long as you have the responsibility to deprive a person of their freedom you should have all the tools necessary to do an effective job, and do it safely. Imagine the same incident at any College where there are unarmed officers the outcome could have been very different, again great job by BCPD
Nahhh he meant it for Ferus not you Underdod.

By the way this is just one more incident among thousands as to why having unarmed police officers in this state is insane.


Posted by: underdod47

I agree, unarmed officers in any setting especially an urban setting is asking for someone to be seriously injured, or worse, the problem is when it happens the powers that be will not feel any responsibility or even change their minds.


Posted by: JoninNH

Try talking to a police officer up here in New Hampshire. Tell him that you work in Mass., and when (if) the conversation includes the fact that you're unarmed the look at you like you've got six heads.

"They have you on patrol and you're unarmed? Thats a lawsuit waiting to happen! I don't know how you do it..."


Posted by: Mitpo62

Dress like a cop, act like a cop, and doing the job without a sidearm is unbelievable. But, I know there are folks out there that do just that everyday and, well, my hats off to you. I can only hope that someday that mindset changes at all police officers in the Commonwealth are armed regardless of location.


Posted by: chrome.dome

Congratulations to a professional arrest and a job well done. If this happened down the street the BU police, especially the older life time officers, would have killed the kid and had the DA declare it a justified shooting. Additionally the black crime victim would be the suspended student and facing criminal charges.


Posted by: DirtyHarry

Perhaps the BU police chief should staff his dept with BUMC public safety officers, and former MSP retirees. What do you think ?


Posted by: NEPS

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Originally Posted by chrome.dome
Congratulations to a professional arrest and a job well done. If this happened down the street the BU police, especially the older life time officers, would have killed the kid and had the DA declare it a justified shooting. Additionally the black crime victim would be the suspended student and facing criminal charges.
I know this thread is supposed to be about Boston College (whose officers apparently did a good job), but I need to say that Chrome.dome's comments regarding the BU Police do not square with my experience working there some years ago. For example, the actual time that I arrested a (white) suspect for carrying a shotgun on the street he was not killed or even shot. No black person was in any way harmed in the making of that arrest.

As for the last occasion I know of on which a BU Police officer did kill someone it was because that man was trying to run him over with a motor vehicle. And the officer was not cleared just by the district attorney's officer. An inquest (and I have read the inquest report) conducted by a judge of the Brighton District Court also concluded that the officer's actions were justified.

I remain proud of my service with BU Police, I know some of the longer serving officers at BU, and I think highly of them.


Posted by: ferus fidelitas

job well done, BC


Posted by: chrome.dome

Quote:
Originally Posted by NEPS
I know this thread is supposed to be about Boston College (whose officers apparently did a good job), but I need to say that Chrome.dome's comments regarding the BU Police do not square with my experience working there some years ago. For example, the actual time that I arrested a (white) suspect for carrying a shotgun on the street he was not killed or even shot. No black person was in any way harmed in the making of that arrest.

As for the last occasion I know of on which a BU Police officer did kill someone it was because that man was trying to run him over with a motor vehicle. And the officer was not cleared just by the district attorney's officer. An inquest (and I have read the inquest report) conducted by a judge of the Brighton District Court also concluded that the officer's actions were justified.

I remain proud of my service with BU Police, I know some of the longer serving officers at BU, and I think highly of them.

Tell me how was this killing was justified when the boy was shot in the back of the head?

Why was the BUPD allowed to investigate and present its own findings? Clearly they had a vested interest in the outcome.

I believe it was due to the sympathy factor. This BU cops brother was also involved in the fatal shooting of another unarmed teenager, but as the law requires he was had to face a grand jury. In this case the grand jury failed to indict hum because the ADA acted more like a defense attorney than a prosecutor.

What kind of closure and comfort do these findings provide to the victims survivors?
This family of “trigger happy” murderers impacted many lives in the Boston area.


Posted by: new guy

Quote:
Originally Posted by chrome.dome
Tell me how was this killing was justified when the boy was shot in the back of the head?

Why was the BUPD allowed to investigate and present its own findings? Clearly they had a vested interest in the outcome.

I believe it was due to the sympathy factor. This BU cops brother was also involved in the fatal shooting of another unarmed teenager, but as the law requires he was had to face a grand jury. In this case the grand jury failed to indict hum because the ADA acted more like a defense attorney than a prosecutor.

What kind of closure and comfort do these findings provide to the victims survivors?
This family of “trigger happy” murderers impacted many lives in the Boston area.


Hmmmmm, there used to be a member that frequently posted similar comments against BU whenever he/she could. Haven't heard from that person in a while. ( at least not from his old username ). Anyway, back to the topic, nice work BCPD !!!!


Posted by: extremesgs

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoninNH
Try talking to a police officer up here in New Hampshire. Tell him that you work in Mass., and when (if) the conversation includes the fact that you're unarmed the look at you like you've got six heads.

"They have you on patrol and you're unarmed? Thats a lawsuit waiting to happen! I don't know how you do it..."
that's one of the many things I miss about working in NH.... that and the fact that a cop is a cop up there. none of the MA bs- "troopers are better than local, who are better than college cops, who allllll beat sheriffs deputies and part time/reserves!"

silliness.


Posted by: SPINMASS

It's all crap, we all do the same job. However getting back on topic, good job by BC


Posted by: Badge 17

great job by BCPD. glad to hear that went so smooth and no P.O.'s were hurt. Chalk one more up for the good guys.



stay safe.


Posted by: NEPS

chrome.dome/BU Observer,

"Tell me how was this killing was justified when the boy was shot in the back of the head?"

I don't remember every detail of the inquest report that I read (and apparently you did not), so I don't recall if the suspect was shot in the side or the back of the head. What I do recall is that the major reason the BU officer's aim might not have come up to your standards is because he was shooting while he was in the act of leaping over the hood of the car against which the suspect hoped to crush the officer.

"Why was the BUPD allowed to investigate and present its own findings? Clearly they had a vested interest in the outcome."

It is customary for police departments to investigate when their officers discharge firearms. The State Police, Boston Police, etc., do it despite the same vested interest they have in the outcome. The district attorney's office also investigated. In this case the district attorney took the further, very unusual step of requesting an inquest (see See MGL Ch. 38, s. . A district court judge investigated and did not find cause to recommend indictment.

"I believe it was due to the sympathy factor. This BU cops brother was also involved in the fatal shooting of another unarmed teenager, but as the law requires he was had to face a grand jury. In this case the grand jury failed to indict hum because the ADA acted more like a defense attorney than a prosecutor."

What the supposed actions of the officer's brother have to do with the BU officer I cannot imagine. By the way, I am not aware of any law that requires the district attorney to bring any matter before the grand jury. I would appreciate the education if you can give me a citation to the law that shows me to be wrong.

"What kind of closure and comfort do these findings provide to the victims survivors?
This family of “trigger happy” murderers impacted many lives in the Boston area."

I don't know anything about the conduct of the officer's brother, but for my part I believe it is beyond the duty of society to provide comfort and closure to the families of persons who have been killed in the act of trying to murder a police officer.

I am sorry to use this thread to rebut the bile spilled by, I would wager, a disappointed job seeker, but this is where the statements have come up, so this is where I will plant my flag.

MGL Chapter 38, section 8. (No idea how the smiley face got in there.)


Posted by: Badge 2

1st Great JOb BC!

2nd I try not to fall into the trap of replying but can I just say I have either A worked with or B dealt with Security, Auxiliary, Special, college, sheriffs, muni and state and I have never felt like I was either A better or B felt like they thought that they were better. A Badge is a badge! If your a security guard or a state police officer and god forbid you DIE in the line of duty my heart goes out to you and your family!

Side note: I work full time for a campus and part time as a lawenforcement deputy. Bring on the bashing, I'm done!


Posted by: daxxkid

Great job BC, as someone mentioned before, we all do the same job, and we should not bash one another just because someone works in one place or other, I'm new here and all, but I defenatly don't like to see people talking trash about other Police Dept.


Posted by: chrome.dome

I don't remember every detail of the inquest report that I read (and apparently you did not), so I don't recall if the suspect was shot in the side or the back of the head. What I do recall is that the major reason the BU officer's aim might not have come up to your standards is because he was shooting while he was in the act of leaping over the hood of the car against which the suspect hoped to crush the officer.

BULLET HIT BU VICTIM BEHIND EAR, DOCTOR SAYS
Published on December 22, 1984
Author(s): Gregory Witcher, Globe Staff

A 19-year-old Dorchester man who was shot and fatally wounded by a Boston University campus police officer after a car chase earlier this month was shot once in the left wrist and once behind his ear, the physician who examined him before he died said yesterday.


NEPS

It is obvious to me the fatal wound this individual sustained is not consistant with your account of the officer jumping over the hood and shooting in self defense.


Posted by: NEPS

chrome.dome,

Okay, I'll give it another shot. When I wrote, "What I do recall is that the major reason the BU officer's aim might not have come up to your standards is because he was shooting while he was in the act of leaping over the hood of the car against which the suspect hoped to crush the officer," this is what I meant:

The BU officer was out of his car in some sort of parking lot -- a tow yard or used car lot, I think -- when the suspect drove his car at the officer. Believing himself trapped and in deadly danger, the officer started shooting and continued shooting even as he leapt up on the hood of a car he was standing near, not the suspect's car. As the suspect's car passed by the spot where the officer was now rolling on a car hood one of the shots struck the suspect behind his ear, as your news article says.

Perhaps you believe the officer should have found some other way to escape the suspect's attempt to run him down. Or maybe you think that the officer should have stopped shooting the instant he achieved the tiniest margin of safety as he rolled across a car hood while just-avoided-death hurtled by mere inches away. But luckily for those humans who perform the duties of a police officer, the law does not require we act perfectly in self-defense when suddenly facing a likelihood of grave bodily harm or death, only reasonably.

A person who aims a motor vehicle at a police officer is properly held responsible for his own death in that act by an officer's bullet.


Posted by: Delta784

IIRC, it was ruled the scumbag...I mean suspect.....put up his hand and instinctively turned his head, hence the wounds to the wrist and behind the ear

Chrome dome, if you're going to spend your time here defending people who try to kill police officers, you're in for a very rough time of it.




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