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Posted by: fscpd907

Campus police jail student for refusing medical transport
By JULIA HARTE
News Editor
On the night of April 29, Liz Potter ’09 faced a difficult choice: accept a several-thousand-dollar hospital transport that she considered unnecessary, or go to jail.

Potter chose the latter.

For Potter, the night had begun approximately three hours earlier, when she and at least ten acquaintances prepared to attend the ZA society party.

She had four or five shots of liquor—a relatively small amount for Potter, who “parties pretty often and really knows how to hold her own,” according to Lucy Malcolm ’07, Potter’s friend.

She arrived at the party around 10:30 p.m., but soon left with a few friends. While standing on the ZA house porch and talking to someone, Potter says, she tripped for several reasons: particularly the jostling crowd of people anxious to enter the party and the five-inch heels she was wearing.

Campus police stationed nearby immediately brought Potter over to their cruiser. After Potter told them how much she had drunk, they asked her to accompany them to the infirmary. Potter refused, explaining that she did not feel sick at all.

“Honestly, I don’t see why they took her. I was drunker than she was, and I was fine,” said a student who drank with Potter before the party.

At this point, Malcolm came over and offered to bring Potter back to her dorm.

According to Malcolm, six officers had surrounded Potter, “holding her by her arms pretty aggressively,” and yelled at Malcolm to leave them alone when she approached. Despite this treatment, said Malcolm, “when I saw her she was totally respectful to the policemen.”

“They clearly were just into the whole hype of it all. It didn’t seem to be about [Potter] and her welfare at all,” said Malcolm.

After several minutes of this, Potter became belligerent, swearing at the police. In tears, she was handcuffed and made to enter the cruiser, then driven to the infirmary. Potter never had the chance to speak to the nurse on duty, Sally Brennan. Nevertheless, Brennan would not admit her to the infirmary, possibly because of Potter’s visibly hysterical condition.

It was then that campus police called an ambulance for Potter. She refused to enter it because of the cost—often thousands of dollars—of a medical transport for students not on Wellesley’s insurance plan. Also, said Potter, “it was a matter of principle; I felt like I was fine.” Campus police presented her with the alternative: spending the night in the town of Wellesley’s prison.

Prison officials found that Potter’s blood alcohol content was 0.17. Potter never displayed signs of alcohol poisoning, such as vomiting, that usually provoke student transports to the hospital.

Instead of a hospital cot, Potter spent the night on a slab of cinder blocks. Police guards provided her with a roll of toilet paper as a pillow and one blanket, but she was too uncomfortable to fall asleep: “I was freezing my ass off,” said Potter.

Potter is the first Wellesley student in five years to be placed under protective custody—loosely defined as when legal authorities provide accomodations for an individual whose personal safety is threatened by herself or another.

Chief of Police Lisa Barbin was on duty the evening of the incident. Barbin was given the opportunity to respond to Potter’s version of events—the version adhered to in this article—and raised no objections. “I have reviewed the circumstances of the case. I am confident that the officers handled the situation appropriately,” said Barbin in an e-mailed statement.

According to Barbin, “Wellesley does not often place a student in protective custody. In general, an individual is placed in protective custody for his or her own safety.”

Yet for Potter and her friends, no sufficient justification for her treatment by campus police has been offered yet. “There’s something seriously wrong with what happened that night,” said Malcolm. “I feel like it’s something at the core that’s wrong.”

Potter has told the entire story to her parents, who support her entirely in the matter. Her mother has even offered to procure a lawyer for Potter, should she want one. At this point, however, Potter is simply eager to be done with the entire episode.

“I probably should have acted with more politeness towards the police officers, I got out of hand towards the end, but I definitely think they should have handled the situation differently. They shouldn’t have been so touchy when I was honest with them,” said Potter.

Potter has been charged with a Category 2 violation of the Alcohol Policy for Dangerous Intoxication and Disruptive Conduct, and will be reviewed by the Alcohol Board at an unknown date in the future.

No matter the outcome of the incident, however, it has already strongly affected Potter.

“ I will never, ever again party on this campus. I’d rather be drunk anywhere else but here, where it’s not illegal to have a few shots. I ’m in college, and I’m going to [drink], cause that’s what they do at every other college. And if [Wellesley] has a problem with that, I just won ’t do it here,” said Potter.

Posted by: Wolfman

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She had four or five shots of liquor—a relatively small amount for Potter, who “parties pretty often and really knows how to hold her own,” according to Lucy Malcolm ’07, Potter’s friend.

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“ I will never, ever again party on this campus. I’d rather be drunk anywhere else but here, where it’s not illegal to have a few shots. I ’m in college, and I’m going to [drink], cause that’s what they do at every other college. And if [Wellesley] has a problem with that, I just won ’t do it here,” said Potter.

Let's see, class of 2009 would normally put someone at around 19 years old? So let's all believe the drunken underage female when she says she was fine. Her parents want to call a lawyer because the police were trying to protect their kid, maybe they should be more concerned about why their daughter is partying all the time and essentially becoming an alcoholic instead of minding her studies. I can imagine the outcry if she got drunk and then gangraped by the basketball team.

After all, college is for drinking, right? That's what their little lush said...

Posted by: PBiddy35

LOL. The horror of the poor little drunk girls experience of being protected by police I can understand. But writing about it just makes all of them look like morons. And about the thousand dollar ambulance ride, MA college students are required to have insurance. IDIOTS

Posted by: j809

They're all lesbos at Wellesley College, look at Hillary Clinton, former grad.

Posted by: Mongo

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Originally Posted by Wolfman

Well said Wolfman.

But the Basketball team was outta town that night it would probably have to be the Lacrosse team.

It would be an interesting call to ride up on cuz like Andy said they are all lesbo's at Welleseley.

Typical parent reaction though.

Posted by: sempergumby

Asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mikey682

My parents would have told me to find somewhere else to go home to on the winter breaks. Must be nice to have parents who not only condone drinking yourself retarded and subjecting yourself to whatever happens to your body after you pass out, but also to shit on the people that do thier job to make sure that dosent happen. Oh well, can't please everyone.

Posted by: Edmizer1

I used to be a campus officer. It was very common for us to take drunks like earlier described to the campus infirmary. If they refused, they were PC'd. We had a least a couple of refusals that resulted in PC's each weekend. We had a case about 10 years ago where a 19 year-old drunk was taken to the infirmary by one of the campus officers. Apparently the nurse told the kid he was fine and didn't need to be there shortly after the cop left. The kid took a campus bus back to his dorm. Shortly after getting back, he got his hand jammed in a door playing around and lost four of his fingers. He sued the campus cop and it actually went to a civil trial. The cop lost the case with a several hundred thousand dollar judgement. The decision was that the campus cop had the responsibility to either PC the kid or make sure that the infirmary was going to keep him. It was found that it was the cop's responsibility to ensure the kid's safety and that by dropping him at the infirmary without a guarantee he was going to be admitted, the cop was liable. The campus indemnified him and paid the judgement.

Posted by: Mitpo62

Bully for Chief Barbin standing up for her officers. Now that's a rare find!

Posted by: SPINMASS

I honestly feel for the student, she really didn't deserve the treatment that she got. They should of just left her alone, besides not like it's illegal for her to be drinking since she is only 19. What a crock of shit, and where do newspapers come up with the idea that this is good reporting.

Posted by: Wolfman

Looks like a campus paper. Certainly no bias there.

Posted by: Wiggum_1

I was going to say the same thing Wolfman. Also,, I've never been in Wellesley PD's lock-up, but I'm pretty sure that there is no bed made of concrete cinder blocks and a roll of TP that has double duty as a pillow. (She must've been really hammered.)

Posted by: ferus fidelitas

crime of the century.... yawn...Instead of surrounding this young female, who was not hurting anyone, with 6 campus officers... why not simply put her under the care of a competent, sober friend.. ??? Would you want the local police to try to compel YOU to pay a minimum of an $800 fee to an ambulance company for an unnecessary ride to a hospital because you had a few drinks ? On her 17'th birthday she is legally considered to be an adult in the criminal justice world. If she had been charged with disorderly or minor in posession of alcohol - the penalty would be far less than the cost of a needless ambulance ride. Newton-Wellesley Hospital is minutes away - she would pay a huge cost for simply laying on a hospital bed for 3 hours while she sobered up - No exigent circumstance reported in this situation... I don't blame the girl. Big F'ng Dl - Calm T F D and be pragmatic and fair... and you c p o 's wonder why the Dean does not want you armed or having Ch 90 ???!!! Like I said on a different thread - retired municipal and State officers would make the ideal c p o

Posted by: rocksy1826

wait, what the fuck?

i deal with this situation on a regular basis. The patient is drunk, therefore, they are not considered to be of sound mind to make their own choice about if they need medical treatment or not. We take them against their will w/ PD on board. Hell, I did this today. I have never once seen the patient end up arrested. Cuffed for transport to the hospital, yeah. Arrested? no.

Posted by: nightcopppa

CHAPTER 111B. ALCOHOLISM

Chapter 111B: Section 8. Incapacitated persons; assistance to facility or protective custody

Section 8. Any person who is incapacitated may be assisted by a police officer with or without his consent to his residence, to a facility or to a police station. To determine for purposes of this chapter only, whether or not such person is intoxicated, the police officer may request the person to submit to reasonable tests of coordination, coherency of speech, and breath.

Where the hell is the placing her in the care of a sober friend in MGL?? Sounds to me like another shithead lazy local bumpkin townie cop reaction to me. It's a lot easier to do it your way, but you shouldn't shit on these Officer's for tying to do the right thing. She had recourse. If she wasn't drunk then she should've taken the BT and if she passed she would have been released. I'm pretty sure that these Officer's who deal with drunk college kids all day long knew that this girl was a danger to herself. As a parent I would expect and demand that same reaction of any Police Officer. Not just fluffing my minor child off to a friend so they can just start drinking again. And yes I said minor because 17 is not an adult by order of Ch. 111. If you did more reading and less shitting on your fellow Officers, you'd know that under 18 years of age is considered to be a minor. Jack ass.

crime of the century.... yawn...Instead of surrounding this young female, who was not hurting anyone, with 6 campus officers... why not simply put her under the care of a competent, sober friend.. ??? Would you want the local police to try to compel YOU to pay a minimum of an $800 fee to an ambulance company for an unnecessary ride to a hospital because you had a few drinks ? On her 17'th birthday she is legally considered to be an adult in the criminal justice world. If she had been charged with disorderly or minor in posession of alcohol - the penalty would be far less than the cost of a needless ambulance ride. Newton-Wellesley Hospital is minutes away - she would pay a huge cost for simply laying on a hospital bed for 3 hours while she sobered up - No exigent circumstance reported in this situation... I don't blame the girl. Big F'ng Dl - Calm T F D and be pragmatic and fair... and you c p o 's wonder why the Dean does not want you armed or having Ch 90 ???!!! Like I said on a different thread - retired municipal and State officers would make the ideal c p o

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Posted by: HELPMe

The girl is clearly an idiot. Parents probably donated a building to get her into the college. One she is 19 and has obviously been watching too much mtv and she is drinking illegally. This girl was probably stumbling all over the place too. I dont know how many times i hear girls say they can hold their own until they are passed out half naked with their face in a toilet. Almost all the intoxicated students we have had this year have been female and they all got the bus ride to the hospital.

College is for drinking? Thats this kids first mistake right there. I had an ex gf that though that way too and now she has a .6 gpa and is dropping out of umass amherst after her second semester of being on academic probation. Dont these kids get it? If you want to have play time then go to a club..dont treat your education as some type of excuse to drink.

She is going to this college which isnt cheap by any stretch and she is worried about the ambulance ride? Am I the only one that caught this? This school costs your first born to go to a year and she is worried about a 500 dollar ambulance ride which will be covered by her parents insurance because she is a student!! Its just another excuse for a child who has probably used excuses her whole life to explain away everything that she has ever f(cked up on. "Oh, it wasnt my fault i hit the telephone pole with my car, it was the rains fault because it made the road wet". Not the fact that i was doing 45 around an 90* turn. grr...stupid people piss me off and this girl that will never take responsibility for her own actions really needs to clue in.

Posted by: new guy

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Originally Posted by ferus fidelitas

crime of the century.... yawn...Instead of surrounding this young female, who was not hurting anyone, with 6 campus officers... why not simply put her under the care of a competent, sober friend.. ??? Would you want the local police to try to compel YOU to pay a minimum of an $800 fee to an ambulance company for an unnecessary ride to a hospital because you had a few drinks ? On her 17'th birthday she is legally considered to be an adult in the criminal justice world. If she had been charged with disorderly or minor in posession of alcohol - the penalty would be far less than the cost of a needless ambulance ride. Newton-Wellesley Hospital is minutes away - she would pay a huge cost for simply laying on a hospital bed for 3 hours while she sobered up - No exigent circumstance reported in this situation... I don't blame the girl. Big F'ng Dl - Calm T F D and be pragmatic and fair... and you c p o 's wonder why the Dean does not want you armed or having Ch 90 ???!!! Like I said on a different thread - retired municipal and State officers would make the ideal c p o

Give me a break. First of all, this article is obviously biased and even so, you still have an under age person that blew a .17, was stumbling, and acted belligerant towards the police. Yet you assume the PC was innappropriate. No, it is not the crime of the century, but what does that have to do with it ? Do we only take official action under those circumstances. I also find it suspect that 6 officers surrounded her. Given the size of the department, it sounds like an exageration to me. Oh yeah, and your great idea of passing her off to a sober friend is not really an acceptable practice from a liability stanpoint, should she harm herself or another later in the evening. Most campus police officers are very experienced in appropriately dealing with drunk and disorderly students so rather than getting on your high horse and telling us how to do our job, why don't you try reading between the lines of this article and give these officers the benefit of the doubt for a change.

Posted by: fscpd907

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Originally Posted by ferus fidelitas

Like I said on a different thread - retired municipal and State officers would make the ideal c p o

Party incident at Assumption

By Jacqueline Reis Telegram & Gazette Staff
jreis@telegram.com

WORCESTER— An Assumption College campus police officer has been dismissed after he inappropriately put his hands on a student while breaking up a party, according to college officials.

Brad Holmes, director of public safety at Assumption, said the officer was hired in August and was still in his probationary period, although he had retired from a municipal police job in a town. Chief Holmes would not give the officer’s name or the municipality where he previously worked.

After an initial investigation into the Jan. 23 incident at Assumption, the officer was put on paid administrative leave. After further investigation, Assumption dismissed him last month.

“We determined that he wasn’t suited for this type of environment,” Chief Holmes said. “Campus policing is a little bit different from municipal law enforcement. We’re dealing with an age group (in which) people are spreading their wings and learning about a lot of life issues while on campus. They sometimes tend to push the envelope, and you really have to have a special disposition.”

The incident occurred just after midnight on a Sunday morning during the nor’easter that dumped about two feet of snow in the city. Members of Assumption’s Office of Residential Life asked campus police to help them investigate a party at Authier and Dufault halls after a staff member thought she saw someone urinate off a balcony, according to Conway C.S. Campbell, director of residential life.

The six-person dorm room was for seniors, and some of the students inside had been drinking, Chief Holmes said. Some felt they hadn’t done anything to warrant the police intrusion and began arguing, at which point an officer made “inappropriate contact” with one of the room’s residents, Chief Holmes said. The campus newspaper, Le Provocateur, reported one witness’s account that the officer “grabbed (a student) by the neck and threw him up against a wall.” The witness declined to comment to the Telegram & Gazette, and Chief Holmes said the officer’s contact with the student was “in the upper chest area anyway.”

Another student who witnessed the incident also did not want to comment. The student the officer allegedly touched did not return calls or an e-mail for comment.

The student was not injured, Chief Holmes said, but others who witnessed it complained immediately to a sergeant who was at the scene, and the sergeant made initial inquiries. Chief Holmes followed up on it later that day, he said. Police did not make any arrests at the party, which was attended by approximately 25 people, Mr. Campbell said.

Erin K. Ahearn, president of the Student Government Association at Assumption, said that “obviously it was out of line to touch” a student, and she was pleased with the way the Department of Public Safety had followed up on the incident. “They went through all of the appropriate actions and procedures to talk to students to find out what the true story was,” she said. “This is a very isolated incident, and it’s not something that we usually see from the public safety officers on campus.”

Assumption has eight police officers, three sergeants, two lieutenants, a chief and several part-time officers who serve the campus population of approximately 1,950, according to Chief Holmes. The officers carry guns and have police powers equal to those of a municipal or state police officer while on campus, and many of them are former municipal officers. They must complete at least 40 hours of in-service training a year, which they typically do over the summer. This summer’s offerings will include a course on “verbal judo” that addresses how to de-escalate situations and speak respectfully to people, Chief Holmes said.

Posted by: Mongo

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Originally Posted by ferus fidelitas

All you are thinking about is if one of your kids screw up you hope they don't get arrested by college police or other.

What do you have to worry about if their good kids?

It is what it is when a kid screws up.Regardless of whether they are in college or driving a rubbish truck cuz they didn't or couldn't go to college.

If they are arrestable and it is reasonable to do so then lock the shithead up.

You don't seem to understand liability or it's double magnitude for campus police.

You seem to paint the campus police with a broad brush of being over reactive and unprofessional.

That is an unfair and non pragmatic assumption.

In all your posts you use the word pragmatic.

Try being practical yourself and stop talking out both sides of your ass.

Posted by: BartA1

maybe I am showing my age here. At 19 I would have been so grateful that I only got taken into protective custody and didnt get a record that I wouldnt have opened my mouth. As far as teling my parents I would be tap dancing when I went home praying they didnt find out about it or a hangover would be the least of my worries. if I am not mistaken arent college students that take more than 9 credits per semester required by MGL to have insurance. So the ambulance ride would have been paid for.

Posted by: PBiddy35

Agreed. She got pc'd. She's going to get in trouble with the school (at worst probation). Privates colleges number one concern is liability. The campus officer would be in a world of hurt had they released the drunk and she proceeded to get into trouble. Maybe "everyone drinks in college"(they don't) but the other thirty kids that go pc'd didn't whine about it. Apparently she hasn't taken a class in Personal Responsibility at her fine institution.

Posted by: ferus fidelitas

municipal police ROUTINELY make an effort to turn the dk over to a competent person - less liability on the PD if something happens to the person while in our station. We deal with drunks 24-7 Not practical or reasonable to lock them all up or try to mandate that they pay $800 for an ambulance ride and then bloated hospital fees - Hospital in my place resents it when they think we are trying to overburden already very busy emergency room staff by dumping drunks, who have no urgent medical needs, on them. They point out that the Emergency Room is not meant to be a drunk tank. Let a friend or family member accept responsibility for them and take them home - BUT to some of you - locking people up is a real big event.... get a life and be realistic. --If a member of my family was having a heart attack and in the emergency room, I would be very annoyed that some over reactive campus special officer dumped a loud mouth drunk, with no emergency medical problems, into the emergency room - they don't need more annoyances or stress... Do you think differently.... ????!!! you'll learn. This clearly shows the difference in job expectations and priorities between campus special officers and state/municipal police. - keep things in perspective and don't over magnify simple things. Be reasonable.

Posted by: nightcopppa

You're a joke. You call yourself a republican yet you have extreme liberal views. Just another townie lazy do nothing Officer. I've seen hundreds like you. How many times have you or another town officer "voluntarily" section twelved someone so that you don't have to do any paperwork. But that's not jamming up the ER's right? This little bitch was 17 yoa and in violation of the law. The thing that you are supposed to enforce. You have no right to shit on these College Police Officers for policing the environment that they are exposed to. There job is to protect the lives of the students, the college property and maintain order. It's so much easier to look the other way though isn't it you salty old veteran. How many kids have died or been raped as a result of being extremely intoxicated? You have been on the job for how long and you haven't figured that out yet. Do us all a favor and go sit behind a desk for first security.

Posted by: Gil

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several-thousand-dollar hospital transport

Since when??? A few hundred maybe... talk about exaggerating to make a headline...

Posted by: new guy

Ferus I agree that it is not practical to lock up all drunks, nor would it be appropriate. According to this article, this is the 1st PC from the Wellesley College PD in 5 years. Do you really think this was the first drunk that they dealt with since then ? Why are you so quick to assume that they acted inappropriately in this particular incident. This article is based on the accounts of the person who was PC'D and several of her friends. Being a cop, you should know that you can only take media accounts with a grain of salt. If you weren't there, why are you so quick to assume that they acted inappropriately ?

Posted by: Mongo

Cuz he coo coo.

Posted by: SPINMASS

for cocoa puffs.

Posted by: Macop

Hey ferus fidelitas, when I was a campus cop it was in the dept POLICY vbmenu_register("postmenu_132000", true);

Posted by: Macop

Hey ferus fidelitas vbmenu_register("postmenu_132000", true); when I was a campus cop it was in the POLICY to send students to the hospital, it did not matter what the ER thought or if they were busy or not or what peopel like you think, no offense. Now we all know there are policies no one follows, and there are ones that are the gospe, I was not into violating policy on soemthing that was very highly stressed in the dept by the brass. So before you start you may want to consider that. Most of my freinds that are at colleges have to deal with similar policies.

Posted by: Macop

Ferus Fidelitas wrote:
This clearly shows the difference in job expectations and priorities between campus special officers and state/municipal police.

Again Ferus no offense, but that is BULLSHIT!!!!

Posted by: Macop

What paper did the article appear in?

Posted by: Nachtwächter

http://www.wellesley.edu/Newspaper/about.html

News Editors
Johanna Peace '09
Julia Harte '09

http://www.wellesley.edu/Newspaper/articles/news1.html

Posted by: ferus fidelitas

hey Mongo and nightcoppa - time to do a building check - I don't "look the other way" - have been a MADD Officer of the year, etc... who are you 2 clowns to judge people ? You would probably run away from some of the things Delta and I deal with nightly..I respond to probably 10 times more 911 calls each year than you two - probably far more than that...I'm not a toughguy or a softie... simply experienced, pragmatic and fair.. I am not necessarily finding fault with the Wellesley Campus Officer - I was not there. Basically I'm playing devil's advocate as a result of the tough guy rhetoric I read on this thread - I've pc'd numerous people, BUT only after we can't find a sober, responsible, nearby family member or friend to take responsibility for the moderately intoxicated person that is in no need of emergency medical care. Its part of our training- and obviously far more real experience... The ER Nurses are busy enough and have real medical problems to deal with - They should not be forced to act as guards for loud mouth drunks and the hospital should not be mis used as a drunk tank - Only time we compel a dk to go to the hospital via ambulance is if they are extremely/dangerously dk - my contention is that there seems to be no indication of that exigency in the report of the incident posted here. Mongo, Nightcoppa .. don't forget to check all the doorknobs and tell people to hush....Wellesley Campus officers - I am not attacking you, that would be unfair - simply responding to a few yahoos on this thread who get a chubby at the thought of being seen slapping on the cuffs.. what morons... Nightcoppa, Mongo - can you pick me up a medium French vanilla and then do another building check....

Posted by: j809

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Originally Posted by ferus fidelitas

hey Mongo and nightcoppa - time to do a building check - I don't "look the other way" - have been a MADD Officer of the year, etc... who are you 2 clowns to judge people ?

Well it seems that all you do is judge people and bitch and complain about things you don’t know anything about. You keep attacking campus police officers and reading other posts you posted, also state police and any other PD that doesn’t have a population of at least 40000.

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You would probably run away from some of the things Delta and I deal with nightly..I respond to probably 10 times more 911 calls each year than you two - probably far more than that

Again, a stupid remark by a stupid person. Oh you are so great, we are so honored to be in your presence because you respond to so many 911 hang up calls. Give me a break, if responding to 911 calls is what makes you a good cop then you have no experience at all. A good police officer should be proactive and not just a reactive responder much like a firefighter.

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Its part of our training- and obviously far more real experience... The ER Nurses are busy enough and have real medical problems to deal with - They should not be forced to act as guards for loud mouth drunks and the hospital should not be mis used as a drunk tank - Only time we compel a dk to go to the hospital via ambulance is if they are extremely/dangerously dk - my contention is that there seems to be no indication of that exigency in the report of the incident posted here.

I spoke to one of my friends who is on Wellesley and their policy IS go to hospital or get P/C and go to the PD. Not only Wellesley College’s policy. Too bad what the nurses want, they get paid and deal with it.

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Mongo, Nightcoppa .. don't forget to check all the doorknobs and tell people to hush....Wellesley Campus officers - I am not attacking you, that would be unfair - simply responding to a few yahoos on this thread who get a chubby at the thought of being seen slapping on the cuffs.. what morons... Nightcoppa, Mongo - can you pick me up a medium French vanilla and then do another building check...

Again, another retarted comment. You say check doorknobs and then say that you are not attacking anyone. The only chubby that anyone would get would be to slap the cuffs on you. MORON. Another old geizer that whines and tries to act like he’s seen it all and been there done that. So has other officers, but we aren’t here attacking them like you are. Get a life or STFU and retire.

Posted by: j809

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Originally Posted by new guy

Ferus I agree that it is not practical to lock up all drunks, nor would it be appropriate. According to this article, this is the 1st PC from the Wellesley College PD in 5 years. Do you really think this was the first drunk that they dealt with since then ? Why are you so quick to assume that they acted inappropriately in this particular incident. This article is based on the accounts of the person who was PC'D and several of her friends. Being a cop, you should know that you can only take media accounts with a grain of salt. If you weren't there, why are you so quick to assume that they acted inappropriately ?

It looks to me like he is probably a guy that had some negative contact with some colleg PD. Probably one of his kids, raised up a punk no less, acted up, got locked up or giged by a college PD and now he whines and cries because he is so tough. He also commented on Middleboro PD that they do nothing but write tickets. Middleboro PD probably wrote him or refuse to take care of a ticket that he called for.

Posted by: HELPMe

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Originally Posted by j809

J809 I agree with you 100%..this guy just enjoys sh!tting on campus police in general. Look at his posts. Why even bother to post in this forum if all your going to do is talk sh!t and pretend like your Gods gift to LE?

Time to clue you in Ferus Fidelitas..everyone gets a start somewhere. Campus PD's do not serve the same role as municipal PD's so you cant make a direct comparison. Most Campuses dont have a cell or lock up, most dont have the ability to get a warrant on the fly to search a room. We dont have ch90 (for the most part) but we are trained individuals and most are competent at what they do.

Also if your going to take what this kid wrote as the honest to Gods truth then you are way out of touch. Its a school news paper written by students!! As far as the PC is concerned. They acted correctly and with full authority to do so. In a municipal city sure you can possibly dump off a drunk on a friend who will take "care" of them. However, when you work at an institution where the students pay upwards of 35k a year the parents have a big say in what occurs and liability is so high its not worth the risk. So if you drop off little sally at a friends house after catching her at a frat party after downing 20 beers and being belligerent. Are you going to drop her off at a friends house where she could pass out and not be taken care of properly since most of these kids dont know what a hang over is to begin with?

So lets say she passes out pukes in her mouth which travels down her lungs and she drowns in her own vomit while she is over the persons house that you passed her off to..or you pass her off to a male friend who said that he will take care of her then the next thing you know you see that same girl at your station filing a rape report. You get sued and you will lose your house my friend. You will lose in court and the girls family will bleed you dry of every penny.

These things happen. Kids get drunk and when they test the limits of their alcohol consumption i see no problem sending them to the hospital when they cant see or pick their head out of the toilet bowl. Its one thing to have a compliant drunk and a girl who just doesnt know when to shut the hell up and obey the officers commands. That is when a PC occurs. Not just because we like to show them whose boss. We do it to remove an intoxicated person who has been causing an incident/disturbance on the campus and to resolve the incident since reasoning with the person has not accomplished anything then its time for them to be removed from the property and face a judicial when they return to campus to explain their actions.

Posted by: Mongo

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Originally Posted by ferus fidelitas

hey Mongo and nightcoppa - time to do a building check - I don't "look the other way" - have been a MADD Officer of the year, etc... who are you 2 clowns to judge people ? You would probably run away from some of the things Delta and I deal with nightly..I respond to probably 10 times more 911 calls each year than you two - probably far more than that...I'm not a toughguy or a softie... simply experienced, pragmatic and fair.. I am not necessarily finding fault with the Wellesley Campus Officer - I was not there. Basically I'm playing devil's advocate as a result of the tough guy rhetoric I read on this thread - I've pc'd numerous people, BUT only after we can't find a sober, responsible, nearby family member or friend to take responsibility for the moderately intoxicated person that is in no need of emergency medical care. Its part of our training- and obviously far more real experience... The ER Nurses are busy enough and have real medical problems to deal with - They should not be forced to act as guards for loud mouth drunks and the hospital should not be mis used as a drunk tank - Only time we compel a dk to go to the hospital via ambulance is if they are extremely/dangerously dk - my contention is that there seems to be no indication of that exigency in the report of the incident posted here. Mongo, Nightcoppa .. don't forget to check all the doorknobs and tell people to hush....Wellesley Campus officers - I am not attacking you, that would be unfair - simply responding to a few yahoos on this thread who get a chubby at the thought of being seen slapping on the cuffs.. what morons... Nightcoppa, Mongo - can you pick me up a medium French vanilla and then do another building check....

Your'e the Moron. I am not a campus cop. You have no idea who I work for and what I do. I have judged you entirely on your posts that seem to be criticism derived from a media report. That tells me you are a moron. You say you have nothing against the Wellesley campus cops yet you trash campus cops in general on every thread.Whats the matter junior get busted for smoking dope by the campus police. Then daddy tried to do something but cuz of his attitude the campus cop told daddy he should start acting professional if he wanted professional courtesey. I have been around and it is easy for me to put you in the category of a burnt out R.O.D. (retired on duty) that can't wait to retire. Funny thing is wether you know it or not everyone of your co-workers are more than likely waiting for that day as well. You contradict yourself on each thread and post and use the word pragmatic constantly.One merely has to read your posts and they can deduce you are the moron.

Moron that later.

Posted by: nightcopppa

Hey Ferus, it is so painfully obvious that you have had some negative contact with college PO's. Did daddy's little angel get locked up for being an asshole? Well the apple never falls far my friend. It's more likely that you're just a fat miserable do nothing piece of crap who feels the need to justify that by casting aspersions on others who take their job serious. Ferus to Dispatch, I'll be out with a murder in progress. Thirty seconds later----Ferus to Dispatch, I'll be clear, verbal warning. You are a joke. You are everything that is wrong with Law Enforcement. Have fun swimming in your world of hate, jack ass. Any Police Chief's on this site, see what happens when you give a guy with a little johnson a badge and a gun.

Posted by: csauce777

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Originally Posted by nightcopppa

Ferus to Dispatch, I'll be out with a murder in progress. Thirty seconds later----Ferus to Dispatch, I'll be clear, verbal warning.

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