| Women across the state have scaled the wall and passed the test. But even some of them have said it requires more energy from women because of the differences in upper body strength, and leaves them with less stamina to finish the obstacle course. In many cases, women completed the course, but seconds beyond the deadline, and so failed. |
| Specifically, the change centers on a five-foot wall in the obstacle course, one of several components in the physical abilities test. Previously, the wall had been a straight surface, but it now features two braces, making it easier to scale. |
| The chief worked with state Sen. Edward Augustus Jr., D-Worcester, in lobbying for a review of the exam. Mr. Augustus joined the local legislative delegation in sending a letter to the governor’s office calling for a review, and secured $80,000 in funding. |
| Originally Posted by Nightstalker Felix Browne, a spokesman for the state administration, said the test “was revised to more accurately reflect the essential functions of a police officer’s job,” and that the braces are meant to “simulate the types of fences officers are likely to encounter while on duty.” |

| Originally Posted by Nightstalker Chief Gemme said several of the women who failed in the last recruit class were Hispanic, and spoke Spanish. “Anytime you can have your department reflect the diversity of the community, that’s a positive thing,” he said. |

| Originally Posted by Wolfman Any members of the Uterus Club feel like chiming in here? |
| Originally Posted by Wolfman Any members of the Uterus Club feel like chiming in here? |

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| Originally Posted by Tackleberry22 Absolute BS. Hold on one second while I pull my magical step ladder out of the air. Hiring unqualified candidates to fill a quota, is not only a disservice to the department, but to the individual as well. I have no problem with women in LE. However, if a female candidate receives special attention and can not perform the essential job functions; then she is useless to officers that she works with. This is not a matter of bias views or male chauvinism, it is a matter of liability. I'll be honest; I would be extremely pissed off if I got my ass kicked in, because my back up (male or female) was unqualified and working the beat. |
| Originally Posted by Tackleberry22 Hiring unqualified candidates to fill a quota, is not only a disservice to the department, but to the individual as well. I have no problem with women in LE. However, if a female candidate receives special attention and can not perform the essential job functions; then she is useless to officers that she works with. This is not a matter of bias views or male chauvinism, it is a matter of liability. I'll be honest; I would be extremely pissed off if I got my ass kicked in, because my back up (male or female) was unqualified and working the beat. |
| Originally Posted by Edmizer1 I'll be the first to disagree with everyone. This job is not about fast cars, big guns, and bulging muscles. Fitness is important but men and women have physical differences. In this case, one part of the overall test was a problem. When I went through the academy in the mid 90s the old "Cooper" standards were used which you had to pass to get in, and had to pass several times while in the academy. We had one guy who was a serious weight lifter and in great overall shape. He was almost dismissed because he couldn't pass the "sit and reach" flexibility test. He was so muscle bound he had problems with the test. Women had almost no problems with this test. They actually had to "reach" farther to pass than men of the same age group. I don't think the guy ever really passed the test but it was overlooked and he was allowed to graduate anyway. |
| Originally Posted by Edmizer1 I'll be the first to disagree with everyone. This job is not about fast cars, big guns, and bulging muscles. Fitness is important but men and women have physical differences. In this case, one part of the overall test was a problem. When I went through the academy in the mid 90s the old "Cooper" standards were used which you had to pass to get in, and had to pass several times while in the academy. We had one guy who was a serious weight lifter and in great overall shape. He was almost dismissed because he couldn't pass the "sit and reach" flexibility test. He was so muscle bound he had problems with the test. Women had almost no problems with this test. They actually had to "reach" farther to pass than men of the same age group. I don't think the guy ever really passed the test but it was overlooked and he was allowed to graduate anyway. |
....okay here I am on my soap box...as I stated here before I do not think the standards for men and women should be different for the PAT test! You either can do it or you can't. I am insulted that whoever gives these tests thinks that because some don't make the committment to train that the test should be "dumbed down" for females. WHAT?!?!?!?.....You've got to be kidding me!!!! If you want it, you will train to pass the PAT test! Does it suck that women have less upper body strength...maybe...but now that we all know this...shouldn't we (ladies) make sure that we work on our upper body strength so that we will pass the test? It makes me soooo mad that some females think it should be different so we can pass. We have to fight for respect as it is in the job, why make ourselves more of a target by whining about the wall! GO TO THE GYM AND WHEREVER ELSE YOU MIGHT NEED TO AND TRAIN LIKE YOU HAVE NEVER TRAINED BEFORE AND GET YOUR A**OVER THAT WALL AND STOP MAKING EXCUSES! If you don't then you have no one else to blame but yourself. Okay I am done for now with my rant...Thanks!
| Originally Posted by Wolfman Any members of the Uterus Club feel like chiming in here? |
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