Posted by: dayshift
I was wondering if any of the Departments that have Recently switched to them are satified with the switch with collective bargaining, discipline issues, and representation with grievances job related matters etc..........thanks
Posted by: alphadog1
The N.E. PBA is growing rapidly in MA & NH. They are signing up former IBPO locals faster than any other union and waiting on numerous others who are decertifying with the IBPO. Nobody gave them a chance, but now everybody is paying attention.
Posted by: Buford T
I.B.P.O. is backing away from representing police, as we lost our rep to N.E.P.B.A. Dues for I.B.P.O. are also increasing $2.00/week.
Posted by: Irish_Cop_In_Va
Down here in VA we have IBPO and Southern States PBA. The dues for IBPO are $30 a month and we have 1 attorney available to represent us and if he caught up with another officer you are S.O.L. Whereas, PBA I pay $250 for the year, have a wealth of attorneys available and within 30 minutes after an incident can expect to have one present to represent me in the event of any kind of jam. I think you'll be much happier in MA with PBA than IBPO.
Posted by: O-302
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| Originally Posted by Irish_Cop_In_Va Down here in VA we have IBPO and Southern States PBA. The dues for IBPO are $30 a month and we have 1 attorney available to represent us and if he caught up with another officer you are S.O.L. Whereas, PBA I pay $250 for the year, have a wealth of attorneys available and within 30 minutes after an incident can expect to have one present to represent me in the event of any kind of jam. I think you'll be much happier in MA with PBA than IBPO. |
The IBPO Attorney's up here were not very accessible. You generally heard from them the day before your court date, hearing etc. to prepare. Haven't had to utilize the services of the NEPBA yet, but I did see one of their Attorney's attend a town meeting(next town over) to speak on behalf of their members. You'd never see an IBPO Attorney do that.
Posted by: Buford T
The attorneys on retainer for N.E.P.B.A. are from Sandulli and Grace, a firm dealing almost exclusively with police related matters, litigation, labor issues and contract negotiations.
Posted by: GD
I wish they would come to Rhodes Island!!
Posted by: alphadog1
I believe the NEPBA is represented by the law firm of Nolan & Perroni out of Lowell.
Posted by: O-302
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| Originally Posted by alphadog1 I believe the NEPBA is represented by the law firm of Nolan & Perroni out of Lowell. |
You are correct sir!
http://nepba.org/
Posted by: Ht2320
We have just lost the best IBPO Representative my local has had to NEPBA last week and I recieved a letter in the mail over the weekend that dues have gone up $2.00 plus they want to give us a representative that was management for 22 yrs and no experience. My local is on the south shore and we are in the process of setting up a meeting to vote out the IBPO and join NEPBA. IBPO has lost all of its representatives with any experience dealing with police. The IBPO is a sinking ship, they have no locals left in Maine, 2 in Vermont, 1 in New Hampshire, lost over 1400 members between Mass & CT. ------TIME TO GET OUT!
Posted by: j809
We have MASSCOP, very good union, lots of members and from what I hear everyone's pretty happy.
www.masscop.org
Posted by: Ht2320
Get this, I just got a letter from IBPO and they want my Union bank statements mailed to them every 6 months. They dont have a shoot in hell of getting them. I also found out that the top three officers at IBPO where never COPS. The IBPO is shinking fast, thank god we have our vote this week to leave IBPO and join NEPBA. A union where every local president is on the E-Board and the Local's decide how the Union is run. ACTIVE MEMBERS running their UNION not a group of non police offices.
Posted by: GD
Can anyone tell me what the New England PBA dues are compared to IBPO?? Thanks in advance.
Posted by: alphadog1
I believe both unions are around $22 per week.
Posted by: Buford T
Our local is $11.00/wk I.B.P.O., but it varies around New England. N.E.P.B.A. $10.00/week and president is on e-board of Association.
Posted by: Ht2320
My local voted to go with NEPBA and their dues are $10.00 per week. When we left IBPO they just when up on their dues for our local to $11.25 per week.
Posted by: NSRookie15
Nepba Dues Are $10.00 For Us.
Posted by: Inspector
Here, in NH our local department dumped IBPO several years back and returned to independent union hiring a well known union attorney who used to be a Hampton cop (Joe McKittrick). They generally do pretty well. IBPO just kept squeezing out the money without providing the representation.
Posted by: Ht2320
October 31, 2006 – Senator Lou D’Allesandro (D-Manchester) has agreed to file a Bill on behalf of the of the New England PBA called"Michael's Law" which will allow the family of a police officer killed in the line of duty to be compensated with a one-time tax free payment of $100,000. Michael’s Law is named in memory of slain Manchester, NH Police Officer Michael Briggs, who was gunned down while responding to a domestic disturbance. As indicated in the bill, the family of Officer Briggs would be entitled to this one-time payment because it is retroactive to Oct. 1, 2006.
Senator D’Allesandro met with New England PBA Legislative Director Paul Larkham today and expressed his whole-hearted support for this legislation. As the Chairman of the powerful Senate Ways and Means Committee, Senator D’Allesandro’s support was paramount in our effort to secure support and subsequent passage of this bill. However, Senator D’Allesandro did express his desire to include firefighters on the legislation and the New England PBA has agreed to this inclusion.
New England PBA Legislative Director Paul Larkham stated, “Michael’s Law will ensure that those who give their lives for their communities will ever be forgotten and their families will be protected.”
New England PBA President Bryan W. McMahon stated, “We are hopeful that the State AFL-CIO in New Hampshire will consider this a labor vote and encourage other legislators to move forward with its quick passage.”
Please Contact Senator Lou D’Allesandro and thank him for his support and contact your NH Representative or Senator and ask them for their support and quick passage of “Michael’s Law”.
Posted by: GD
I asked my union's state representative(IBPO) if the IBPO is going to be around because it seemed to me that a lot of unions are switching in Mass. I told me it is only the smaller unions. They are in total denial!!
Posted by: alphadog1
Ask the union representative about the Middlesex County Sheriffs why they are leaving (500 or so strong) for the NEPBA?
Posted by: Ht2320
Also ask the union representative why Lowell Patrolmen (200), Randolph (57), Billerica (60), are leaving for NEPBA? There are over 30 police groups or so that will be filing in mass to leave IBPO in Jan. Good luck to who ever stay's with IBPO.
Posted by: Ht2320
Posted by: CopUmpire
Buford T;
The Attorney's for Sandulli/Grace represent MassCop, "NOT THE NEBPA" and you are right, they do nothing but police related union issues. They are the Best
Posted by: Buford T
CopUmpire, I stand corrected, thank you...
Posted by: Ht2320
A SPECIAL THANK YOU
TO THE NEW ENGLAND PBA
by
Butch Alpers, President
Wilmington Police Patrol Officers, NEPBA Local 1
January 9, 2007 - “You should be happy to see a $1 increase in your detail rate; in my entire career I have never seen the Town Manager as generous as this to offer a $1 per hour detail increase.” These words stung me like an angry wasp. The former acting Chief was angry and the veins in his head were pulsating but that did not affect our resolve. He was once again trying to bully us into accepting a pittance of a deal for a contract. We would not waiver in our position. His act had grown old. We had been through a long difficult journey as targeted members of a Union and through it all sat Bryan McMahon.
Our negotiations began long ago and had not so many ups and plenty of downs. We called a cease fire during our decertification from the IBPO in order to decide as a Union what leadership would best serve our needs. My decision was easy; whatever Union Bryan McMahon was affiliated with was the Union for me. My challenge was to convince the 42 other members of our Union. As most of you know, we have many differing opinions and goals for our individual groups. Our Union was not different. We had a wide range of people within our group. We had supporters of other organizations, we had people who followed, we had loyalists and we had indifference. The vote was for overwhelming support to join the NEPBA and continue our relationship with Bryan McMahon.
During this journey I have worked with bright people who are as passionate as I am about Union business; Andy Ray, Jerry Flynn, and Marty Conway. These people have provided guidance and instilled a sense of confidence in me that has enabled me to properly represent the members of the New England Police Benevolent Association NEPBA local #1 and NEPBA local #13. I am learning what makes the group work so well together and how we continue on our mission. This common denominator is Bryan McMahon and Jerry Flynn.
As our decertification ended, we began another round of negotiations under the influence of our new Union leadership. We have asserted our Union rights in the past and slowly learned that it takes a long time to build a respectable foundation to rest upon. When the negotiation meetings were in full swing, we were able to negotiate a ground breaking contract that many Union members did not believe could happen. We increased our detail rate by 32%. We negotiated a compensation time policy that enabled Union members to accrue comp time at time and a half rather than the previous straight time policy. We had our overtime rates include our Quinn Bill compensation. We also received a generous percentage increase.
Bryan McMahon and Jerry Flynn assisted us in these negotiations from beginning to end. They offered support, guidance, and wisdom. Their knowledge of the Joint Labor Management process, Municipalities finances, comparable contacts, and the FLSA enabled our Union to negotiate this innovative contract.
Our jobs as Police Officers take us on a different daily journey. They can be rewarding, both emotionally and financially, they can also be tumultuous. In the past we have learned to depend on our families, friends, and brother and sister Officers. We now can depend on the leadership team of the New England Police Benevolent Association.
* Vice-President Paul Chalifour, NEPBA Local 1 also contributed to this letter
Posted by: IrishCop69
I had the unfortunate experience of belonging to IBPO. We could not get in contact with a rep when needed. They were never there for us. Unfortunately, when looking into other unions, we found that all of the people we were having trouble with had started NEPBA. They up and left the IBPO to go out on there own without any notice. I really don't want someone who is that unloyal working for me. We decided to go to MassCOP. I feal much more comfortable with a union representing only people in my career and from my state. Strength in numbers!!
Posted by: alphadog1
NEPBA & MassCop both belong and are represented by the same national: IUPA. So your right, there is strength in numbers!
Posted by: gooday
They seem to be a good union and many dept's are turning to them. Middlesex and Norfolk County met with them. Although nothings final with them you can see interest from every corner. Nage may be sinking fast.
Posted by: alphadog1
I believe Middlesex sheriffs are on board with the NEPBA...but the IBCO is attempting to block the takeover. It will be resolved the LRCB.
Posted by: CopUmpire
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| Originally Posted by gooday They seem to be a good union and many dept's are turning to them. Middlesex and Norfolk County met with them. Although nothings final with them you can see interest from every corner. Nage may be sinking fast. |
My Concern is that why would the NEPBA be taking on County Sheriff's when everyone knows they want to cut into the Local Cops details and get Chapter 90 powres.
Posted by: Ht2320
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| Originally Posted by CopUmpire My Concern is that why would the NEPBA be taking on County Sheriff's when everyone knows they want to cut into the Local Cops details and get Chapter 90 powres. |
In my Town the sheriff's can't work detail because our contract language states that only FULL TIME POLICE OFFICERS shall work details. I would make sure I had strong language in my contract if I was concern about sheriff's working details and not in what union they are in. NEPBA has done right by my local and I like the fact that it is cops representing cops.
The New England PBA, I.U.P.A., AFL-CIO has successfully lobbied key members of leadership on both sides of the legislator in an effort to resurrect the 25/75 Retirement Bill. Senator Steven C. Panagiotakos (D-Lowell), a member of the Senate Leadership and a well-respected member of the Massachusetts State Senate was the Chief Sponsor of the bill in the State Senate. Assistant House Whip David Nangle (D-Lowell) filed the bill in the House of Representatives. The bill recently had little hope of seeing the light of day without the support of these two key sponsors who have always been strong supporters of public safety and law enforcement officers.
Senator Panagiotakos stated, “I know personally the demands and sacrifices we ask our public safety officers to endure and we should ensure that they are all treated properly for their service.” Senator Pangiotakos comes from a long line of law enforcement officers, including an uncle who was the last Lowell Police Officer who was killed in the line of duty during an armed robbery in 1978. His uncle Chris, retired as a Captain with the Lawrence Police Department. His brother, Christopher followed in those footsteps and is a detective with the Lowell Police Department.
Representative Nangle called the decision to file this important piece of legislation as “the right thing to do.” He further stated, “It is an issue of fairness, we allow our State Police Officers to retire with this same benefit – why not local public safety officers!” He further stated, “This Bill is long over Due."
Both legislators credited the New England PBA Executive Director Jerry Flynn and Legislative Director Paul Larkham with the ensuring our support. Senator Panagiotakos stated, “SUCCESS may have many fathers and FAILURE may be an orphan; but without the New England PBA and their lobbying efforts this bill would not be open for debate.”
Posted by: OutOfManyOne
NEPBA is a joke, save your money and go MASSCOP . More MASSCOP union members will have more power.
Posted by: alphadog1
How are they a joke?
Posted by: Ht2320
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| Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne NEPBA is a joke, save your money and go MASSCOP . More MASSCOP union members will have more power. |
Have you every been a member of another Union besides MASSCOP? Have you ever talked/inveiwed NEPBA or anyone else? I would like to know what information you have to say that they are a "JOKE" and save you money? NEPBA dues are only ten dollars a week, MASSCOP is more than that.
When my local was planning on leaving IBPO we interviewed a number of labor groups including FOP, MASSCOP, IBPO and NEPBA. We also interviewed a number of law firms. We spent a lot of time reaching all groups and firms, when we finally had our meeting to vote; NEPBA was the clear winner.
And for you information both NEPBA and MASSCOP are member the International Union of Police Associations (IUPA) which represents over 200 departments in Massachusetts including Boston. So the International dose have alot of power.
Posted by: OutOfManyOne
MASSCOP is well established. It is the largest in MASS with the most members. Let me know how you make out during your contratc negotiations.
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| NEPBA dues are only ten dollars a week, MASSCOP is more than that. |
Yes, $11 a week.
Posted by: EBPD240
LATEST NEWS
NEW ENGLAND PBA HIRES
ANOTHER PRESTIGIOUS LAW FIRM
NEPBA Opens Regional Office on the South Shore
January 24, 2007 – The New England PBA, Inc., I.U.P.A. Local 9000 AFL-CIO is not only the fastest growing all-exclusive law enforcement labor organization in New England, it is now the law enforcement labor organization with the most attorney’s per capita of members in the region. The New England PBA as promised has doubled its legal staff and has brought on one of the most prominent law firms in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. We are proud to announce the addition of Hanley, Hassett & Fitzsimmons, LLC of Quincy, MA, who along with Nolan | Perroni, LLP of Lowell, MA will enhance our commitment to quality legal representation for our membership.
As a result of our successful organizing along the South Shore and Cape Cod regions, we are also announcing the opening of a regional office in the City of Quincy to better service our members in this region. Regional Director Sean McArdle will be assigned to this office and will be available to address any question or concerns relative to any job related matter or issues concerning our membership.
New England Police Benevolent Association, Inc., IUPA, AFL-CIO
An affiliate of the International Union of Police Associations, AFL-CIO
South Shore Regional Office
40 Willard Street, Suite G101
Quincy, MA 02169
(617) 773-9090
Posted by: gooday
The N.E.B.P.A is a very new union and needs to prove themselves first. Numbers mean nothing unless your picketing and if your picketing your not doing so great. Remember its not the numbers, its weather or not your union Reps know what they are talking about. Knowledge of labor law, cotract and policeis go a long way.
Posted by: alphadog1
Numbers do mean something when it come to unions and their clout. I.U.P.A. is very powerful national that has the Boston Patrolmans Union, N.E.B.P.A., and MASSCOPS.
Ask the Wilmington Patrolmans Union how they made out with their contract they recently ratified and signed. They were very happy with the N.E.P.B.A. during negotiations.
MASSCOPS initially attempted to stop the N.E.P.B.A. from organizing and falling under I.U.P.A. Why? Because they feared the N.E.P.B.A's success!
Posted by: michaelbos
To bad, that don't take individual members.
Posted by: CopUmpire
First of all MassCop will never fear the NEPBA, on the comment on MassCop trying to stop NEPBA from joining the IUPA, that was not true, Masscop tried to stop them from being a Chartered organization. The IUPA is loosing so many members there taking all they can. Why do you suppose the IUPA lost 80% of the Florida contracts they once, and the entire State of Texas, and California. On another note Boston Patrolmans Group, Plymouth and MassCop were against the NEPBA for taking on County Sheriffs, Court Officers, Court Probation Officers and Parol Officers, and ignoring the rights of Local Law enforcement. Congratulation on assisting Wilmington PD.
Posted by: alphadog1
NEPBA is doing a good job getting a lot of the former IBPO locals who are decertifying!
Posted by: Ht2320
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| Originally Posted by CopUmpire First of all MassCop will never fear the NEPBA, on the comment on MassCop trying to stop NEPBA from joining the IUPA, that was not true, Masscop tried to stop them from being a Chartered organization. The IUPA is loosing so many members there taking all they can. Why do you suppose the IUPA lost 80% of the Florida contracts they once, and the entire State of Texas, and California. On another note Boston Patrolmans Group, Plymouth and MassCop were against the NEPBA for taking on County Sheriffs, Court Officers, Court Probation Officers and Parol Officers, and ignoring the rights of Local Law enforcement. Congratulation on assisting Wilmington PD. |
How is New England PBA ignoring the rights of local Law Enforcement? By filing the 25/75 bill? By single handle lobbing to get the 5 million put into the supplemental budget for replacing body armor? Or by filing the “Michaels Law” bill in NH? A bill that would give a death benefit to someone kill in the line duty in the state of NH. It would be the same benefit we receive here in Massachusetts.
Also, NEPBA has done something that MASSCOP has not been able to do in 30 years; that is taken out IBPO. And if MASSCOP has a dislike for IUPA the membership should vote to decertify from IUPA. I can tell you this, my Union has been NEPBA for a few months now and we are very happy with the service and knowledge they have work for them. It was the best move we ever made. Best of luck to you and MASSCOP.
Posted by: BUBBA87
All sworn Police Officers. Keep this in mind. NEPBA also supports corrections and Sheriffs. These two groups are continually looking for more police powers and the opportunity to work details in their jurisdictions. They are also trying to get quinn bill type funding. These are counter productive to municipal officers. Once enough corrections and Sheriffs get on board, they can elect their people to the executive board and stack the power in their favor.
IBPO was horrible. I dont blame any PD for getting away from them. Mass Cop is a great union, you can also go independent and have a labor law firm. Sandulli and Grace represent macop, however they will also represent independents. They are phenomenal.
NEPBA I beleive has all the best intentions, however letting the sheriffs and corrections in will lead to problems down the road.
Posted by: CopUmpire
Amen Brother Amen
Posted by: OutOfManyOne
MassCop is a POLICE ONLY union, none of this other scabs trying to latch on and become cops through other police unions. MASSCOP is keeping it real for US police officers.
Posted by: Ht2320
In my Town the sheriff's can't work detail because our contract language states that only FULL TIME POLICE OFFICERS shall work details. I would make sure I had strong language in my contract if I was concern about sheriff's working details and not in what union they are in. NEPBA will not be filling bills to increase sheriff's police powers. Their elected officalss are all police officers. And since when are civilian DISPATCHERS police? Last I checked MASSCOP represents alot of Dispatcher groups. Before you type replies on here please make sure its a fact. So far, NEPBA has done right by my local and it has been a good fit for us. MASSCOP wasn't the right fit for us but in the end we are all IUPA.
Posted by: alphadog1
I hear the Lowell Patrolmens Union is decertifying with the IBPO and going w/the NEPBA.
Posted by: Kb1100
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| Originally Posted by alphadog1 I hear the Lowell Patrolmens Union is decertifying with the IBPO and going w/the NEPBA. |
I think they already are with nebpa
Posted by: alphadog1
The Lowell Superiors are w/NEPBA
Posted by: policelaborlaw.com
There will be an election to determine who the Lowell Police Patrolmen elect as their exclusive bargaining representative. As it stands right now the election will be between the IBPO (the incumbent), the NEPBA (the petitioner), and the Lowell Police Union (the intervenor).
Posted by: Ht2320
PAY LINE OF DUTY DEATH BENEFITS Hometown Heroes Act of 2003 – DENIED
March 21, 2007 – The Hometown Heroes Act of 2003 was passed by the Congress of the United States and signed into law by President George W. Bush, but the Department of Justice has denied 34 claims by families of those killed in the line of duty. The Justice Department has also refused to act upon 206 other cases, which are currently pending. A spokeswoman for the Department of Justice said the delays are cased by the complexity of the cases, not by any disagreement with the law.
The law provides for those who die as a result of heart attacks and strokes to be presumed to be line-of-duty deaths, thus making their survivors eligible for federal death benefits. Yet, the Department of Justice has denied payment of these claims to the families of 11 law enforcement officers who have filed for the line of duty death benefit under the Hometown Heroes Act of 2003.
A study to be published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Thursday by researchers from the Harvard School of Public Health brought these denials to light. However, the New England PBA, I.U.P.A. Local 9000, AFL-CIO has contacted our national affiliate, the International Union of Police Associations, AFL-CIO with respect to this issue and I.U.P.A. National President Sam A. Cabral has assured us of his support in rectifying this travesty of justice.
Public Safety Officers' Benefits (PSOB) Program: Hometown Heroes Survivors Benefits Act of 2003
Enacted in 1976, the Public Safety Officers' Benefits (PSOB) Program is a partnership effort of the U.S. Department of Justice; local, state, and federal public safety agencies; and national organizations to provide benefits to the spouses, children, and other survivors of public safety officers who have died from a traumatic injury or who have been totally and permanently disabled in the line of duty.
On December 15, 2003, the Hometown Heroes Survivors Benefits Act expanded the circumstances under which public safety officer deaths resulting from heart attacks and strokes may be covered by the program. - The Hometown Heroes Act establishes a statutory presumption that public safety officers who die from a heart attack or stroke following a non-routine stressful or strenuous physical public safety activity or training, died in the line of duty for benefit purposes.
- The Hometown Heroes presumption may be overcome by "competent medical evidence to the contrary."
- The Hometown Heroes Act excludes actions of a "clerical, administrative, or nonmanual nature" from consideration.
- The regulations governing the Hometown Heroes Survivors Benefits Act, as well as the entire PSOB Program, were finalized September 11, 2006.
- In the meantime, the PSOB Office continues to work closely with OGC to assess the information provided thus far on Hometown Heroes claims.
Posted by: gooday
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| Originally Posted by BUBBA87 All sworn Police Officers. Keep this in mind. NEPBA also supports corrections and Sheriffs. These two groups are continually looking for more police powers and the opportunity to work details in their jurisdictions. They are also trying to get quinn bill type funding. These are counter productive to municipal officers. Once enough corrections and Sheriffs get on board, they can elect their people to the executive board and stack the power in their favor.
IBPO was horrible. I dont blame any PD for getting away from them. Mass Cop is a great union, you can also go independent and have a labor law firm. Sandulli and Grace represent macop, however they will also represent independents. They are phenomenal.
NEPBA I beleive has all the best intentions, however letting the sheriffs and corrections in will lead to problems down the road. |
When the hell did we ever ask for Quinn bill type funding and if we did why the hell would you care if we got it , you have it any way. As far as us taking your details, when was the last time a company called the Sheriffs office to do a detail before they asked you . We take the ones that go unfilled. If you have such a problem with us corrections officers making some extra cash out there say it to us when we are out there. Every cop I work with out there dont have a single problem with me and I have met some really good guys and girls. To the ones that accept us thankyou for being solid good officers. Remember if we ever did take power from something like that it wouldnt matter its you that dont respect us not us that dont respect you.
Posted by: alphadog1
The fast, sinking IBPO/IBCO has represented police/corrections for years and it never happened then. So, BUBBA87, why now w/the NEPBA? The limited police powers for the sheriffs have come from MGL or case law. As for details, it is up to the individual PDs to hire the Sheriffs, not the union.
Posted by: BUBBA87
Let me start by responding to gooday. I dont know where you get the notion that I dont respect you guys! I have no problem with you guys. I have met many of you and work with many that use too work with you. They all seem like good guys. I also work with and have friends that are firefighters. I like and respect them, yet I do not want to see any of them working details. As they do in some communities and are asking to do in many more.
I dont begrudge any of you from trying to make extra money, as a matter of fact I would probably loose all that so called respect for you, if your unions did not fight for the most comprehensive benefits package for you and your families.
As you say in your last line of your post "Remember if we ever did take power from something like that it wouldnt matter its you that dont respect us not us that dont respect you." Not sure that I completely understand what you are trying to say but you yourself say "if we ever did take power" thus leaving the door open to this possibility.
Are jobs are different, therefore it is only my opinion that are unions should be as well. Please dont mistake that sentiment for dislike or disrespect for the job you and your brothers and sisters do.
As far as Alphadog1. IBPO has been sinking for sometime now, it has always confused me why it took so long for PD's to make the jump. As far as why I would not go with NEPBA. I have many reasons, none of which are earth shattering. they are enough though that I give the edge to masscops.
Posted by: alphadog1
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| Originally Posted by BUBBA87 As far as Alphadog1. IBPO has been sinking for sometime now, it has always confused me why it took so long for PD's to make the jump. As far as why I would not go with NEPBA. I have many reasons, none of which are earth shattering. they are enough though that I give the edge to masscops. |
My response has nothing to do with what union you prefer. It had to do with why they could influence a local union and/or a PD to let Sheriffs work details?
Posted by: Ht2320
As far as Alphadog1. IBPO has been sinking for sometime now, it has always confused me why it took so long for PD's to make the jump. As far as why I would not go with NEPBA. I have many reasons, none of which are earth shattering. they are enough though that I give the edge to masscops.
I am glad you have an opinion on the two Unions and that you give the edge to MASSCOP over New England PBA but if I remember right, your local is voted not to go MASSCOP but as a independent Association instead. So it confuses me why you would post advice for other officers on MASSCOP or New England PBA when you don’t belong to either Union.
Posted by: BUBBA87
Oh I see you are glad I have an opinion on unions, yet if I understand your post correctly I must meet some unwritten criteria on submitting an opinion. The fact that I have an opinion different from the majority opinion shared by my union should not prevent me from sharing that opinion with those that frequent this site. I did a great deal of investigating into Teamsters, NEPBA, MASSCOPS and Independent. This investigation included phone conversations with numerous officers involved in each union. I was able to sit in on some meetings at surrounding departments considering moving to another union, and we had numerous reps from the various unions come to our station. Not only did I speak with the business agents for the various union, I also spoke to the legal councils as well.
You yourself stated that you had numerous unions make presentations to your dept. though you went with NEPBA, should not exclude you from having an opinion on the other unions that made presentations and sharing said opinion with members of this site. If I am wrong on this thought and there is some written rule on post criteria then please direct me to that location.
Otherwise I hope my opinion was helpful to someone. It is also my opinion as is yours that the best way is to have many unions make their pitch and the members can then decide.
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Posted by: diamondcutter34
Id like to chime in here. To some of you please keep in mind this represents my views and does not imply that I have had any affiliation with the unions mentioned. My PD went independent a few years ago, I was not in favor of the move. I liked macop. We too looked at various options for representation. Macop appealed because they were well established and for cops. Plus the departments we spoke to that had them were happy with the representation they got.
I was overjoyed to hear that many depts were leaving IBPO. The last two contracts signed under IBPO sucked ass. It surprised me even more that the membership ratified the contracts, then bitched about them later. Although I understand this happens frequently.
When I heard the NEPBA was forming I was very interested. I was not that concerned about the corrections, court officers and other law enforcement related groups joining. What did catch my attention is some of the founding members or executive board members. They were former IBPO. One of them was actually our business agent and supported the last two suck ass contracts under the IBPO. I assume he saw the light, and decided to bust out and do things right. I have spoke to others who have joined the NEPBA and they are thus far happy. I hope the union proves itself, because they can only bolster all area contracts.
To those of you getting pissy at those who are not yet won over by NEPBA. Relax! They are being wise in that they are waiting for NEPBA to establish itself and have a record to critique. This is prudent. 4 years from now we may all be saying NEPBA is the best thing since viagra. To those of you that have made the jump already. I commend your faith and wish you the best.
To those of you looking to go independent to save money or other petty reasons. Get your heads out of your asses. Joining one of the many established unions in this state gives you a voice at the state level and national and does it without having to join smaller splinter groups to be heard.
Strength in numbers!!
Good luck to all looking for a change.
Posted by: OutOfManyOne
I'd rather see a POLICE OFFICER or TROOPER from 20 towns over come and work a detail, then giving it to the Sheriffs. I think details should only be filled by FULL TIME police officers. Many PDs around me will not let you work a detail unless you are a full time officer and no sheriffs allowed either.
Posted by: Delta784
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| Originally Posted by diamondcutter34 To those of you looking to go independent to save money or other petty reasons. Get your heads out of your asses. Joining one of the many established unions in this state gives you a voice at the state level and national and does it without having to join smaller splinter groups to be heard. |
If your membership is large enough, independent is the way to go. You keep 100% of your dues, and can focus your energies on what matters most to your membership, not what some non-police professional union types want.
We've been independent since 1968, and have done just fine.
Posted by: wgciv
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| Originally Posted by Delta784 We've been independent since 1968, and have done just fine. |
Ahhh... I think you guys have done slightly better than fine!
Posted by: gooday
Delta is right its not the size of the union its the drive the union has. Get a union where the members get involved and the heads know what they are doing and things can happen. You name me one very successfull national union. For example The State police does great, Boston Police does great, Quincy police does great, The D.O.C got a 29% raise back in the early 90's when they left ASME. They have not realy done much since but that goes back to the quality of the leadership and the member involvment. Is it the numbers or the quality you tell me. People are leaving NAGE why would they if they have the numbers?
Posted by: BUBBA87
Just out of curiosity. Those of you that are independent, who pushes law enforcement related legislation for your group on the state level and on the national level. have you hired lobbyist? I know when you are affiliated with a national union ie. IUPA, FOP, IBPO, SEIU, Teamsters, etc.... a portion of your dues are used to hire lobbyists and consultants looking out for LE issues. Or do the independent unions leave that up to the nationally affiliated unions. I would really like to hear from the independents and how they address these issues.
Posted by: OutOfManyOne
The independents don't give a shit except for themselves. That is why the local PDs aren't as powerful as SPAM or BPPA. If more locals joined MASSCOP we would be the ,actually we are the largest local cop union in MASS, but it would help to grow it even bigger.
Posted by: 94c
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| Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne The independents don't give a shit except for themselves. That is why the local PDs aren't as powerful as SPAM or BPPA. If more locals joined MASSCOP we would be the ,actually we are the largest local cop union in MASS, but it would help to grow it even bigger. |
You lost me with that train of thought. Why would my union be concerned with the state level? That's what the MPA is for.
It's the local government that's going to give me my pay raise and any benefits. If my union can deal with that on their own, then what good would MASSCOPS be?
Posted by: OutOfManyOne
MPA is alright and every year they go and try to lobby some new law changes. A larger police union has more teeth and power and more powerful lobbyists. MPA you pay $20 a year, MASSCOP is around $600-700 a year. More money, more power. Now your local union, how powerful is it. I can make one phone call and get a half dozen lawyers on-scene of an incident, they can come and in negotiate our contract, arbitration costs are covered by the union and I don't have to pay extra money out of our pocket. On top of MASSCOP we have a police association where money gets raised for us and you know the rest.
Posted by: Delta784
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| Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne The independents don't give a shit except for themselves. |
And you know this is true for all independent unions because.......?
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| Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne That is why the local PDs aren't as powerful as SPAM or BPPA. |
1) SPAM is independent.
2) BPPA is loosely affiliated with IUPA, which means they're essentially independent.
3) I didn't realize the Boston Police Department isn't a local PD. Did Deval take them by eminent domain?
4) It's not a coincidence the two largest police unions in the state carry the most horsepower. It's simple math, and has nothing to do with affiliation.
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| Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne If more locals joined MASSCOP we would be the ,actually we are the largest local cop union in MASS, but it would help to grow it even bigger. |
If you're the "largest local cop union" in Massachusetts, why do you care what other unions choose to stay independent? Sounds like sour grapes to me.
Posted by: IrishCop69
I want to agree with OUtOfManyOne. I know that many of the large unions do get politicians to lobby items at the statehouse and on the federal level. I have never heard of any independent, other than SPAM, going to lobby anything at the statehouse. In my opinion, MassCOP is the only choice for any department. IBPO is definately falling apart, as almost any member department wil tell you. NEPBA is only recycled IBPO representatives. How good can that be. They are trying to reestablish themselves, and grabbing anyone ready to run from the IBPO. They know who wants to leave and they are illegally promoting themselves to the departments they used to represent. I actually went through this and did not know it was illegal. I had our old IBPO rep call and ask if he could bring in NEPBA and speak to our union body (Not good). They also cover much of New Hampshire. Not for nothing, but we should get what we can for ourselves in Massachusetts first. The Teamsters just came in to talk to us to try and keep us too. They brought in Police Offciers from Pittsburgh to talkl to us about how great they are. They actually told us that they really had no other options in their state. The Teamsters appologized for "ignoring" public safety for years. They admitted that they were lacking in that department. When asked what would happen if the president decided to not care about public safety again, the question was avoided three times by their own attorney. He kept going back to the guys from Pittsburgh. Again, let's get together for our own here in Massachusetts first. I have worked for three departments in Massachusetts. I have been represented by IBPO and MassCOP. I have been a large part in speaking with all unions during our "open" periods. After all was said and done, it is my opinion that MassCOP is the only way to go. Anyone who thinks otherwise, has not done enough investigation, or worked long enough with the unions.
I agree that SPAM and BPPA are the two largest independents. I also agree that they have much power with politicians. I think it is great that they look out for their people so well. Unfortunately, they do not care about the rest of the police in the state. I like the fact that MassCOP fights right alongside with MPA on Beacon Hill. If SPAM or BPPA go to the Hill, they are only going for SPAM or BPPS. Wearing the uniform should be enough for us all to be equal. Most officers are happy to protect and serve the community they work in. Does that make them any less of a cop that someone in SPAM or BPPA. Those unions would make you think so, by always leaving them on the back burner.
Posted by: 94c
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| Originally Posted by Delta784 If you're the "largest local cop union" in Massachusetts, why do you care what other unions choose to stay independent? Sounds like sour grapes to me. |
The only reason they joined a larger union is because they can't handle it themselves. plain and simple.
Posted by: BUBBA87
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| Originally Posted by 94c You lost me with that train of thought. Why would my union be concerned with the state level? That's what the MPA is for.
It's the local government that's going to give me my pay raise and any benefits. If my union can deal with that on their own, then what good would MASSCOPS be? |
Why would your local be concerned with state level!!!! Im gonna assume you meant to say something else. Because it is funding such as state grants and payments to your community that allow your local govt to run. It's the state where the Quinn funding comes from, It's the state that safeguards local and state pensions. Its the politicians that put forward proposals, legislation and budget recommendations that that effect you job!.
Yes you are correct that monies from your MPA dues go to the mass police political action committee(another word for lobbyist) and they are good. Does your union require all members to join the MPA? The MPA lobbies at the state level, what about the national level. It was police lobbyists that got the COPS program out of bush senior and it was the police lobbyists that kept the COPS funding going as long as it did, and has meant 100's of millions of dollars for cops.
As more departments go independent less monies are being sent to PAC's. This is disturbing. we are going in the wrong direction here. We need a louder voice. If the independents were setting aside funds for PAC money and were diligent in making sure the PAC was doing their job then we would hae a different story. Here in lies the problem though. Independent unions do not typically have the time or experience to monitor the goings on of the PACs they hire. However the states organized unions have the resources and experience to make sure that the PACs are pushing forward the LE agenda.
This is some important shit. If members of your union feel the same way you do, then you need to have your lawyer sit down with the members and explain how funding and benifits work for your organization and how your money is important in influencing the politicians to act in your best interests.
Posted by: 94c
Local=Our own Union
State= MPA
National=NAPO
We are all set, thanks for the assistance.
It's the small departments that have to jump on all these unions mentioned above. You call that unity?
(PBA, IBPO, MASSCOPS, Teamsters, etc., etc.,)
Posted by: j809
MASSCOP is a very good union and have some big departments on there as well. The newest members are Weymouth and MBTA.
Posted by: CopUmpire
Actually MassCop just got the Fall River PD as well. They Must be doing something right.
Posted by: policelaborlaw.com
Does anyone know of cases where the IBPO has ever defended a police officer against job related criminal charges? (e.g. a suspect charges an officer w/ A&B)
If so, please e-mail me with specifics (approximate date, charge(s) & PD).
Thanks,
Brian Simoneau
Posted by: CopAHog21
Yeah, They represent police oficers in criminal charges all the time. What are you looking for a failure to represent case? You lawyers are all the same...How about the 2 Cops in Worcester the represented when they killed the guys they were locking up. Joseph Monahan is the attorney they use. Wake up you ambulance chaser.
Posted by: CopAHog21
Awesome union...best move we ever made was leaving the IBPO. The New England PBA is well organized and very knowledgeable. I spoke with one of their attorney's and he was great. He actually called me back and gave me the info I was looking for...His name was Attorney Nolan.
They just got us a great contract and I was on the negotiation team and believe me they were well prepared and extremely well versed. We got a great package and it passed over whelmingly by the members.
Posted by: policelaborlaw.com
I don't chase ambulances. I represent police officers.
Attorney Brian E. Simoneau
http://www.policelaborlaw.com
Posted by: Ht2320
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| Originally Posted by policelaborlaw.com |
And Management!!!
Posted by: policelaborlaw.com
Yes, and management!!! Candidates, "Student Officers," and retired police officers too. Today I got a police recruit reinstated to a municipal police academy who was dismissed after completing 14 weeks of a 20 week MPTC Academy. After I proved, at a hearing, that that the dismissal was contrary to regulations (CMRs), the MPTC Standards Committee unanimously voted to allow the recruit to pick up where he left off in another academy. According to an MPTC official, this was the first and only time in their history that they didn't require a reinstated student officer to repeat the entire academy from day one.
PS: I also represent firefighters and correction officers.
Brian
Posted by: 94c
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| Originally Posted by policelaborlaw.com Yes, and management!!! Candidates, "Student Officers," and retired police officers too. Today I got a police recruit reinstated to a municipal police academy who was dismissed after completing 14 weeks of a 20 week MPTC Academy. After I proved, at a hearing, that that the dismissal was contrary to regulations (CMRs), the MPTC Standards Committee unanimously voted to allow the recruit to pick up where he left off in another academy. According to an MPTC official, this was the first and only time in their history that they didn't require a reinstated student officer to repeat the entire academy from day one.
PS: I also represent firefighters and correction officers.
Brian |
Not that it matters but... do you represent flagmen and deputies also?
Posted by: OutOfManyOne
Brian is a great attorney and he fights for us police officers. Don't bust his balls.
Posted by: policelaborlaw.com
No flagmen...and I have yet to represent a Deputy. However, there is a recruit in the DOC Academy right now, who I helped get there (after the DOC bypassed him for very questionable reasons). Thanks for the support, OutofMany...
Posted by: Edmizer1
I believe the IBPO defense only goes as far as when criminal charges actually issue and then the officer is on his own. I'm not sure if this includes defense prior to a clerk's hearing.
Posted by: alphadog1
If the criminal charges are job-related you'll get representation
Posted by: policelaborlaw.com
Speaking of job related criminal charges...I'm currently charged with a civil rights violation for refusing to issue a LTC to a statutorily disqualified person. I used his III record and his attorneys claimed that I broke the seal on a juvenile record (which I didn't do). I have a clerk-magistrate hearing in a couple of weeks...it should be interesting, to say the least. (I'm not an IBPO Member...that question was for something else.)
Posted by: 40th MPOC#309
We had a nice presentation by them last week.....
Posted by: mpd61
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| Originally Posted by 40th MPOC#309 We had a nice presentation by them last week..... |
Dickie!
You high-speed Municipal Satucket River-rats really need to be represented by AFSCME! Look at the GGGGGREAT job they're doing next door at Massasoit!
Posted by: CopUmpire
My God, is AFSCME still even out there?
Posted by: RCPD33
[shudder] Unfortunately, yes. OMG I still have nightmares of when they were my union (use the term loosely) on another job, seven years ago!
Posted by: 40th MPOC#309
I was impressed. Woodrow-can you get me the # of the business agent? Can they get us a discount on Lysol?
Posted by: mpd61
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| Originally Posted by 40th MPOC#309 I was impressed. Woodrow-can you get me the # of the business agent? Can they get us a discount on Lysol? |
No but if you like Pine-sol you're good to go buddy!!!
Hey, was that your sexy form down at 14 and 27 yesterday?
How do you like being OIC now buddy?
Posted by: alphadog1
Ruling favors officer
By Michael Lafleur, mlafleur@lowellsun.com
Article Last Updated: 04/24/2007 12:37:40 PM EDT
TEWKSBURY -- An independent arbitrator, in a binding decision, has vacated disciplinary actions taken against Officer Daniel Kerber, who was suspended last year after being arrested for domestic assault and battery, according to the union representing Kerber.
Kerber, a 12-year veteran of the Tewksbury Police Department, was arrested by fellow officers last March after his estranged wife told police he had driven away from her home while she was hanging onto his car window.
Town officials suspended Kerber for six months without pay last June in response to the incident. He has been back on the job since December.
Jerry Flynn, executive director of the New England Police Benevolent Association, the union that represents Tewksbury patrolmen, said Tewksbury Police Chief Al Donovan recommended Kerber's suspension after the officer declined to answer some questions about his case with no guarantee of immunity.
Flynn said Kerber refused to talk because he feared his answers would be used against him in what was then an ongoing criminal case.
"Nobody in their right mind would answer those questions based on that," he said. "Just because you wear a badge doesn't mean you surrender your constitutional rights."
Town Manager David Cressman said he will abide by American Arbitration Association Arbitrator Theodore H. O'Brien's April 16 decision -- which is binding by contract -- but said town officials object to it.
"We think this case represents part of the difficulty in imposing discipline on public-service employees," he said. "We will take the appropriate action, but we're also kind of surprised by the arbitrator's cavalier decision with regard to domestic violence by police officers."
Flynn said Kerber has been "totally cleared of everything" in the domestic assault and battery case.
Cressman referred comment on law-enforcement matters to Donovan, who could not be reached yesterday.
Kerber also could not be reached.
Flynn described the 11-page arbitrator's decision as a sharp rebuke of Donovan, who he said is often retained as a consultant on disciplinary matters by other police chiefs in Massachusetts.
"To see a decision like this, which is basically chastising Donovan for something this guy teaches other chiefs of police, is rather shocking," Flynn said.
According to the brief that Tewksbury town officials submitted in defense of their actions, Kerber had been suspended for 15 days following an incident in February 2006 that involved his ex-wife "making a call to the Tewksbury police." That suspension was upheld by another arbitrator, according to the brief.
The brief states that Donovan did not sanction Kerber for exercising his constitutional rights against self-incrimination during an internal-affairs interview on March 17, 2006.
"It was merely one point among a total of eight which the chief used to support his recommendation for disciplinary action," the brief states.
A copy of O'Brien's decision was not immediately available yesterday.
Posted by: Motorcop
This is exactly why we went with NEPBA! They get things done.
Posted by: Ht2320
I agree, they work hard and they get the job done.
Posted by: CopUmpire
Was wondering if the NEBPA picked up the Lowell Patrol?
Posted by: CopAHog21
How can ANY so-called labor attorney represent BOTH labor & Management?
That is like having Osama Bin Liden in the White House!
Posted by: CopAHog21
We heard the Lowell Police Union are currently interviewing several police groups and private attorney's. But, our local heard several private attorneys fell on their face...a.k.a. Tim "I lost the State Police" Burke, as well as several other police groups. The members we spoke with said New England PBA was the best prepared and had the best presentation. We also heard the lawyer who represents the Worcester Police Union just signed on with the New England PBA. So they must be doing something right?
We heard they wanted to hire Atty. Brian Simoneau, but he represents the Chief in Framingham - YOU CAN'T SERVE TWO MASTERS!
Posted by: policelaborlaw.com
This is ridiculous. Since I do not represent the Union in Framingham, I fail to see the conflict. I provide very effective representation to my clients and scrupulously follow the Massachusetts Rules of Professional Responsibility, which govern so-called “conflicts of interest.” Representing a Chief in one community and a Union in another is certainly not “serving two masters” or “like having Osama Bin Laden in the White House.”
What does the Police Chief in Framingham have to do with the Union in Lowell? Your suggestion that my representation of police officers in one community is somehow hindered by my representation of a police chief in another is ridiculous and completely unsupported by fact. In fact, numerous police officer clients have benefited by my experience on the “other side” of the table. (This is why former prosecutors make the best defense attorneys…) I am proud to have effectively represented and assisted police officers across this state both individually and collectively. I am also proud to be associated with Attorney Tim Burke, who began his legal career in 1976 with the Suffolk County District Attorneys’ Office where he tried over 80 jury trials there, including 25 homicide cases, with a conviction rate of over 90%. His office has represented over 500 police officers in every form of civil rights litigation, andnot one officer has ever had to pay any judgment from his or her own personal funds.I am proud to be associated with him. He is a gentleman and a professional. Also, for the record, Tim did not lose the state police…they lost him.
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| “How can ANY so-called labor attorney represent BOTH labor & Management?” |
Ask the MPTC recruit who was dismissed from the academy at week 14 and reinstated after I represented him at a hearing. (He was allowed to resume the academy where he left off…that was first time in the history of the training committee where that was allowed).
Ask the countless clients who I represent at the Civil Service Commission.
Ask the State and Community College Police Officers throughout the Commonwealth who came to me to represent them in their attempt to form a police union and leave a bargaining unit of groundskeepers, laborers, and custodians.
Ask the Police Officer Candidate who was denied employment because he uses an insulin pump to control his diabetes (I’m working with MCAD & HRD to get him on the job.)
Ask the police officer whose restraining order case I won at the Appeals Court after another attorney told him that he had no viable appeal.
Ask the Wrentham Firefighters who I just represented at Town Meeting in their attempt to obtain civil service protection. (With my assistance the Union was able to convince the town’s voters to support civil service legislation despite the personnel board’s opposition).
Ask the countless police officers who have better working conditions and benefits because of my representation.
Ask the police officers who hired me to represent them because they were completely dissatisfied with the NEPBA's legal representation.
Incidentally, your unsigned post sounds like more NEPBA propaganda. Your affiliation with them is apparent…6 total posts….5 NEPA propaganda and 1 Red Sox prediction.
Posted by: CopAHog21
Those of us in Tewksbury, NEPBA Local 3 are very happy with NEPBA - so why would I NOT want to bang the drum for an organization who got us a great contract and has beaten our Chief at every turn. In fact, you couldn't hold NEPBA Attorney Gary Nolan's Jock Strap - so please don't give me the crap about what a great attorney you are - SHOW ME THE $$$$$$.
Besides, if you can't see serving "TWO MASTERS" is a problem - perhaps this exactly why you don't represent the Framingham PD - IN FACT NAME ONE POLICE DEPARMENT WHERE YOU ARE THE EXCLUSIVE LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE.
Isn't WESTFORD PD looking to leave you and Burke? Or are you only partners when it is fiscially prudent. Cops, Correction Officers, Fire Fighters, Deputy Sheriff's, Nurses ....what else Dog Catchers and Ambulance Dirvers? You have a lot of little pees in your bag of bullshit to knock a guy who really reprepresents COPS and does a great job. Ask Tewksbury Police Officer Dan Kerber what he thinks of NEPBA AND ATTORNEY GARY NOLAN.
I have a call so got to go and the GPS is running. Besides, you need to go burp the Chief in Framingham YOU MANAGEMENT ATTORNEY!
Posted by: Delta784
Hey "CopAHog".....it's extremely poor form to come here as a newbie, and without cause attack someone (Brian Simoneau) who has been a huge help to many of us on this board, providing FREE answers to very complex legal questions.
If you like NEPBA, then more power to you. Your attack on Attorney Simoneau was completely uncalled for, and I for one believe you owe him an apology.
Posted by: CopAHog21
Hey Delta... I maybe a rookie on this site but not on the job. If he helped you then I am happy for you. But that doesnt give him or anyone the right to wack another attorney who represents cops. I have nothing to appologize for ...its my OPINION and I believe you either represent MANAGEMENT or UNION not both. If you don't that is your opinion! Besides, he's a big boy and he does a good job defending himself ...he dosen't need you to defend his honor. But your point is well taken and I will be a little easier on the Beaver.
Posted by: Delta784
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| Originally Posted by CopAHog21 Hey Delta... I maybe a rookie on this site but not on the job. |
That's why I said "newbie", not "rookie".
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| Originally Posted by CopAHog21 If he helped you then I am happy for you. |
It's not just me, he's helped a hell of a lot of people here. Absolutely free.
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| Originally Posted by CopAHog21 But that doesnt give him or anyone the right to wack another attorney who represents cops. |
Please cite an example of this.
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| Originally Posted by CopAHog21 I have nothing to appologize for ...its my OPINION and I believe you either represent MANAGEMENT or UNION not both. If you don't that is your opinion! |
You have that right. You also have the right to rip a loud fart on a crowded subway train. That doesn't mean you should.
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| Originally Posted by CopAHog21 Besides, he's a big boy and he does a good job defending himself ...he dosen't need you to defend his honor. |
I know he doesn't need anyone to defend him, I just want him to know that his efforts here are appreciated by the non-troll element.
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| Originally Posted by CopAHog21 But your point is well taken and I will be a little easier on the Beaver. |
Hey, by the way....it's best to not advertise that you're posting to this board during your work hours, especially after you told everyone where you work.
Posted by: CopAHog21
Delta; I told you I wasn't a Rookie...so you should understand I am not on duty. The GPS crack was about our Chief's ability to play big brother with the BIG BOARD in the Radio Room. He invented the system and teaches other chiefs, including Chief Carl (Framingham) how to screw guys. So as for the Coffee and shut-eye, I am working another job - I own another business...So put on your Deputy Chief hat and try to land another fish...this one just swam up stream to get away.
Posted by: Delta784
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| Originally Posted by CopAHog21 So put on your Deputy Chief hat and try to land another fish...this one just swam up stream to get away. |
If you knew the first thing about me, you'd realize how ridiculously absurd that statement is.
I'm still waiting for you to cite an example of Attorney Simoneau "wacking" another attorney who represents cops........
Posted by: CopAHog21
What is the difference between a lawyer and a priest?
One screws people and avoids prosecution; the other one avoids prosecution and screws people.
Hey Delta Force;
Here is his quote: "Ask the police officers who hired me to represent them because they were completely dissatisfied with the NEPBA's legal representation."
So who deserves the appology?
Hey Delta;
As for Quincy - I really enjoy your president's Website. Very Colorful Guy. Bet he would agree that you could not wear two hats when dealing with labor-Management issues. It's the White Hat for the Union and the BLACK Hat for Management - Got it, Boss?
Posted by: Delta784
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| Originally Posted by CopAHog21 Hey Delta Force;
Here is his quote: "Ask the police officers who hired me to represent them because they were completely dissatisfied with the NEPBA's legal representation." |
I don't see any reference to a specific attorney there, but even so;
Have you asked these police officers what their opinions are?
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| Originally Posted by CopAHog21 So who deserves the appology? |
Until proven otherwise, Brian Simoneau does.
BTW....I hate to harp on grammar and spelling, but you're making it much too aggravating.
It's spelled "apology". You obviously have not taken advantage of the Quinn Bill.
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| Originally Posted by CopAHog21 As for Quincy - I really enjoy your president's Website. Very Colorful Guy. Bet he would agree that you could not wear two hats when dealing with labor-Management issues. It's the White Hat for the Union and the BLACK Hat for Management - Got it, Boss? |
That guy is an asshole, don't listen to him.
Posted by: midwatch
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| Originally Posted by Delta784 If you knew the first thing about me, you'd realize how ridiculously absurd that statement is. |
Come on Delta...we all know you're a company man.
Posted by: OutOfManyOne
MSP SPAM is no longer represented by Tim Burke?
Posted by: CopAHog21
Warnning Issued
Harry
Delta, Sorry for my aggravating use of the double "P" - I will try to use my spell check in the future. As for my educational background, I graduated with a B.S. from Mass School of Pharmacy and yes, I get Quin Bill money because I also happen to have a law degree from Suffolk Law School. I will gladly match my academic achievements against yours any day. I do not practice labor law - but I do not chase station wagons with red lights looking for clients. Although, I too have represented cops with numerous issues I have NEVER charged them for my services. So take that extra "P" and put in under your pillow with the word PROVEN PERFORMANCE.
Delta:
It is becoming more obvious that you hate unions, you must be upper management. You even kick the crap out of your own union President. What kind of union person are you or are you one at all? Sounds like your way or the highway. Let's look at your life under the microscope here, you got by-passed for promotion, you are divorced, your wife left you for a younger guy, you filed for bankruptsy at least once, you never knew your real father and your mother's boyfried sexually molested you as a kid. You had or still have a drinking problem, you are a compulsive gambler, you have very few friends and your dog ran away. Does that about summerize your miserable existance? I got to take my four girls to a birthday party, because my wife needs a day to herself, but I will be thinking of you as they are having a good time and remind myself that it was my union and my union president that got me my last pay raise and the ability to live life as it was supposed to be. HAPPILY... You should try it!
Posted by: O-302
"It is becoming more obvious that you hate unions, you must be upper management".
Dude, you are totally lost...maybe you're a veteran Police Officer, but you're not much of an investigator...and by the way Esquire, you spelled bankruptcy wrong...
Posted by: dcs2244
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| Originally Posted by CopAHog21 Delta:
It is becoming more obvious that you hate unions, you must be upper management. You even kick the crap out of your own union President. What kind of union person are you or are you one at all? Sounds like your way or the highway. Let's look at your life under the microscope here, you got by-passed for promotion, you are divorced, your wife left you for a younger guy, you filed for bankruptsy at least once, you never knew your real father and your mother's boyfried sexually molested you as a kid. You had or still have a drinking problem, you are a compulsive gambler, you have very few friends and your dog ran away. Does that about summerize your miserable existance? |
I reckon you should've explored the board in greater depth before running your sewer. Delta has forgotten more about "unions" than you will ever know, even if G_D granted you three lifetimes to learn.
I really don't care about NEPBA, Masscops, MPA, or Teamsters. What works for a individual departments, works. Whether they are independent or nationally affiliated. One is not going to "sell" another group on their "union"...unless the "union" in question is not producing positive results.
Sure, SPAM and BPPA field lobbiests to represent their individual interests...but you must also understand that their efforts sometimes benefits ALL cops.
As far as this Brian kid is concerned, I really don't care if he represents management in one town and labor in another: he becomes adept at both sides and knows the issues faced by both sides, therefore he is better able to craft the best deal FOR both sides: i.e., the one that can result in agreement by both parties. You think it's all labor or management? That's worked out real well for the UAW, hasn't it?
In any event, SPAM is currently assimilating all "unions"...Resistance is Futile.
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By the way, Delta doesn't need my assistance, nor am I his "running dog": Try as I might, he doesn't understand that they call it QUINCY Shore Drive for a reason!
Posted by: Delta784
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| Originally Posted by CopAHog21 Delta, Sorry for my aggravating use of the double "P" - I will try to use my spell check in the future. As for my educational background, I graduated with a B.S. from Mass School of Pharmacy and yes, I get Quin Bill money because I also happen to have a law degree from Suffolk Law School. I will gladly match my academic achievements against yours any day. I do not practice labor law - but I do not chase station wagons with red lights looking for clients. Although, I too have represented cops with numerous issues I have NEVER charged them for my services. So take that extra "P" and put in under your pillow with the word PROVEN PERFORMANCE. |
Bullshit.
1) Someone who graduated law school would know how to spell "apology".
2) Any cop with a degree knows how to spell "Quinn", as in Quinn Bill.
3) A cop who is also a lawyer cannot represent other cops.
You're full of shit.
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| Originally Posted by CopAHog21 It is becoming more obvious that you hate unions, you must be upper management. |
Yup...that's me....Mister Company Man, always the first to jump to the defense of upper managment. If you'll excuse me, I have to go shine my stars and gold badge.
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| Originally Posted by CopAHog21 You even kick the crap out of your own union President. |
You stupid, ignorant fuck. You can't even detect sarcasm, can you? I guess that wasn't part of the curriculum at Suffolk Law?
I AM the union president!!
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| Originally Posted by CopAHog21 What kind of union person are you or are you one at all? Sounds like your way or the highway. |
Why don't you ask the people who have elected me twice?
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| Originally Posted by CopAHog21 Let's look at your life under the microscope here, you got by-passed for promotion, you are divorced, your wife left you for a younger guy, you filed for bankruptsy at least once, you never knew your real father and your mother's boyfried sexually molested you as a kid. You had or still have a drinking problem, you are a compulsive gambler, you have very few friends and your dog ran away. Does that about summerize your miserable existance? |
Given your (lack of) powers of observation, it really shouldn't come as a surprise that you're wrong on all counts.
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| Originally Posted by CopAHog21 I got to take my four girls to a birthday party, because my wife needs a day to herself, but I will be thinking of you as they are having a good time and remind myself that it was my union and my union president that got me my last pay raise and the ability to live life as it was supposed to be. HAPPILY... You should try it! |
Any time you want to compare the pay raises your union president got you, as opposed to the pay raises I've gotten my membership....PLEASE let me know. Go ask your union president about the Quincy Police contract. If he doesn't know, have him contact me, and I'll be happy to give him a copy.
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| Originally Posted by dcs2244 By the way, Delta doesn't need my assistance, nor am I his "running dog": Try as I might, he doesn't understand that they call it QUINCY Shore Drive for a reason! |
Bite me.
Posted by: OutOfManyOne
Well it's not hard to find out who he is. The only College of Pharmacy graduate with a law degree on Tewsbury PD. Could be Donovan in disguise though. "D
NEPBA WINS ARBITRATION CASE AS TEWKSBURY POLICE OFFICER CLEARED
Self-Professed “EXPERT” Chief Donovan Chastised
April 20, 2007 – New England PBA Chief Legal Counsel Gary Nolan of Nolan | Perroni | Harrington, LLP continued his winning ways as he recorded another favorable decision for the New England PBA Local 3, I.U.P.A., AFL-CIO. An independent arbitrator has ordered that Tewksbury Police Officer Daniel Kerber be restored to his position without loss of compensation and the discipline imposed by the Town of Tewksbury shall be rescinded. Officer Kerber served a six (6) month suspension earlier last year and was offered a deal prior to the hearing, which would have reduced the suspension to thirty (30) days. Officer Kerber flatly refused to accept any discipline for what he felt was “a serious miscarriage of justice”.
New England PBA Executive Director Jerry Flynn called the actions of Tewksbury Police Chief Alfred P. Donovan both “deplorable and completely unjustified.” Flynn called the decision “a complete vindication for Officer Dan Kerber and an absolute embarrassment to the self-professed “expert” on police officer discipline. He further stated, “Attorney Gary Nolan was outstanding and completely evaporated the town’s case.”
Arbitrator Theodore H. O’Brien, Esq. also took exception and made note of the actions of the self-professed and resident “EXPERT” – Chief Alfred Donovan of Tewksbury, MA. Yes, the same self-professed “Expert” several Massachusetts Chiefs of Police and administrators have utilized for investigatory interviews of police officers, including the recently suspended Methuen, MA Police Chief. Perhaps, those who are facing discipline or who have paid to attend his seminars on this very subject should request a full refund or at least a copy of the arbitrator’s nine (9) page scathing decision. Below are the two portions of the New England PBA Chief Counsel Gary Nolan’s brief:- “Chief Donovan testified that he had absolutely no intention of obtaining immunity for Officer Kerber. Accordingly, Kerber cannot be disciplined for remaining silent on questions regarding conduct for which he had already been charged criminally. This could not be clearer, particularly where the case law typically addresses the potential for criminal charges. Here, Kerber was already charged and had a real cause for concern. Absent transactional immunity, the Town could neither question him, nor could they discipline him for failure to answer incriminating questions.”
- “Chief Donovan offered that he was an expert in this area. In JE 2, Tab 13, and at this hearing, Chief Donovan argued that Kerber would have the benefit of “use immunity” had he chosen to answer questions. Like his assertion that the Town could take an adverse inference for Kerber’s interview silence, this is another misstatement of the law. Any immunity, use or transactional, can only be given by a Court. Had he answered questions as suggested by Chief Donovan, Kerber would have to move to suppress his statements in his criminal case, arguing that they should be excluded under the 5th Amendment to the Constitution. He would have to hope a court agreed with his argument. As explained in Carney, the rule is an exclusionary rule of evidence – it is not immunity. Under the law, Kerber certainly would not have the assurance of immunity as suggested by the Chief. Accordingly, the Town’s use of Kerber’s interview silence as a basis for discipline was both unconstitutional and unlawful.”
The decision also made reference to “the town failed to produce reliable evidence to sustain its burden to prove just cause for discipline.” We congratulate Attorney Gary Nolan on a job well done and we wish Daniel Kerber well as he returns to work AFTER being fully exonerated.
Posted by: CopAHog21
Hey Outofmanyone;
Thanks for the update.
FYI: MR. Quincy -- Cops can represent cops I have done tons of Wills, Probate, Homesteads, and Closings for ZIPPO! Also have done a few non-profits for kids of cops - again no charge. Also if you need sick note let me know!
Working at Walgrens tonight at midnight...
Posted by: Delta784
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| Originally Posted by CopAHog21 FYI: MR. Quincy -- Cops can represent cops I have done tons of Wills, Probate, Homesteads, and Closings for ZIPPO! Also have done a few non-profits for kids of cops - again no charge. |
Dude...I wouldn't let you do the closing on a doghouse, and I was referring to labor law since......you know, that was the subject being discussed.
Posted by: OutOfManyOne
Here's an update of new PDs that MASSCOP got.
Massachusetts Coalition of Police Welcomes it newest locals - Acton Superior Officers, Canton Police Assoc., Carlisle Police Dispatchers, Duxbury Police Commanders, Fall River Association, Hopkinton Police Dispatchers, Spencer Police Dispatchers, Waltham Police Supervisors, Watertown Police Supervisors,and the Weymouth Police Patrolman's and Foxboro Police Union. Good Job MASSCOP
Posted by: Ht2320
Congrats Bryan. The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund (NELOMF) named Lowell Police Detective and New England PBA President Bryan W. McMahon Officer of the Month for May 2007. This extremely honorable distinction was bestowed upon a person we all know to be of the highest ethical standards and a proven leader in both his personal and professional life. Congratulations Detective Bryan W. McMahon for a job well done!
To read more about Detective McMahon and this honor click on www.nleomf.org
Posted by: alphadog1
Congrats Bryan! A stand-up guy who knows how to get it done.
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