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Texas Roadhouse to Officers Down and Boycott Poll Thread. (Merged)

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Posted by: Zuke

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...1100964_2.html

Quote:
It's Enough to Make Your Stomach Turn

By Marc Fisher
Tuesday, September 12, 2006; B01

T wo Fairfax County officers lay mortally wounded in the parking lot of their Sully District police station. At the height of the crisis, anxious police cordoned off streets, closing down some businesses. The Texas Roadhouse restaurant just down the road had to shut its doors for a few hours that day in May and again on the next two Saturdays, when large crowds came out to honor the funeral processions for Detective Vicki Armel and Officer Michael Garbarino.

So what did the restaurant do in the police department's time of loss? Offer to cater the funerals? Set up a food donation schedule for the bereaved families? Nah. The Texas Roadhouse in Chantilly counted up the pennies it had lost -- a total of about $9,000, the manager computed -- and turned to the police department with a formal request for compensation.

The restaurant even put it in writing. From the letter to the police by manager Eric Rainwater in mid-June: "Although this is miniscule in comparison to two officers losing their lives, it did have a major financial impact on our store." Rainwater asked the police to dismiss $5,000 in fines that the restaurant had accumulated because its alarm system had repeatedly malfunctioned, summoning police for no reason.

"Any help you could give would be much appreciated," Rainwater wrote.

The dictionary provides various definitions for "chutzpah," such as effrontery, unbelievable gall and utter nerve. None of these words comes close to describing what happened here.

A remarkably restrained Capt. Susan Culin, commander of the Sully station, wrote a memo to her officers a couple of weeks ago "just to make you aware of the situation." She said the business's request was "in extremely poor taste" and added that "while we all have to make our own choices, I personally will never give the restaurant my business, or my family's business, again."

Culin, it goes without saying, told the department's False Alarm Reduction Unit to instruct Texas Roadhouse to pay its fines.

Culin had called the restaurant's corporate headquarters in Kentucky and noted that this mad display of selfishness came as other area businesses were staging fundraisers for the fallen officers' families. For three weeks, Culin heard nothing back.

Finally, over the past couple of weeks, Texas Roadhouse has gotten the message and done all it can to make things right.

"We certainly can't defend that letter in the least," corporate spokesman Travis Doster told me. It took a couple of months for the parent office to set things straight because "we're a very decentralized company" and there was "miscommunication" between the main office and the restaurant's Virginia operation. "This is just one we totally, totally regret."

Doster told me that Rainwater "has been disciplined, believe me. Rest assured it was fairly severe." But Doster wouldn't say how the manager was sanctioned, and the chain's Virginia managers wouldn't let me talk to Rainwater.

Texas Roadhouse's chief executive, the son of a retired Virginia police officer, called Culin to apologize and sent a letter as well. And the company has made a donation to a trust fund for the families of the Fairfax officers. "Time will hopefully heal the wounds," Doster said.

But although Fairfax police spokesman Mary Ann Jennings says the department has accepted the apology and the company "acted very graciously" once its top officials got involved, the gall of the original request continues to send waves of revulsion through the ranks of police everywhere. Cops are a tight brotherhood, and the Internet has enabled officers to lean on the electronic shoulders of comrades across the continent, so police chat boards are still buzzing about the restaurant's behavior. Doster says Texas Roadhouse is still hearing from officers venting their anger.

"We're hearing from people who want to boycott, and I've talked to a number of these guys on the phone and I gave them the facts," Doster said. "To a man, they're saying 'Okay, that's what I need to know.' "

So the company may now be digging its way out of a pretty deep hole. But why did this happen? What could possibly drive a person to be so callous, so deeply selfish and greedy?

"Only Eric knows himself," Doster said. "Just frustrations with his alarms or whatever."

Or a blindness to others that we see all too often these days, even in businesses that rise or fall on customer satisfaction. A newsletter that advises corporations on crisis management dubbed the Texas Roadhouse incident a "case study in how to do it completely wrong." But think about the people you know and how they respond when they think they have been cheated -- think of the nasty e-mails they dash off, the angry calls, the righteous demands for compensation. Is what happened here really so inconceivable, so far from the kind of behavior we've come to accept in our daily lives?
I will never eat there again.



Posted by: Tango

http://www.texasroadhouse.com/newsit...ex.php?rid=327

Here is their website



Posted by: JoninNH

I will never eat there again. This is disgusting.



Posted by: JoninNH

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/08/vir...ing/index.html



Posted by: extremesgs

he's not listed on their site anymore...

i was a bit confused.... was this an independant A-Hole act on the managers part, or an act on behalf of Texas Roadhouse.

Sounds to me like some liberal "i wanna make a statement" young a-hole manager felt his need to speak out about something...

It also sounds like the company didn't back his play... which is nice to hear.



Posted by: speccop

What a douchebag. Where does he get off requesting $5,000 worth of (unrelated) fines be waived seeing how he had to close down during a violent shooting incident? Is this kid high or something? WTF...God bless Capt. Culin for being able to keep her cool after getting that letter. I can only imagine what she really would've liked to say in response...



Posted by: JoninNH

(My name),

Thanks for contacting us about the unfortunate situation in Chantilly and for allowing me to provide you with an update and our response. I can assure you that our company is upset at this horrible situation, and we have worked with the Fairfax County Police Department to correct this as quickly as possible.

First of all, I want to pass along my apologies on behalf of Texas Roadhouse and assure you that what occurred in Chantilly in no way represents our company’s attitude towards law enforcement or emergency personnel. We are active with police and fire departments across the nation and have a deep commitment to supporting them in any way possible. In Illinois, we have held Officer Nights in which we feed police officers and their families for free. In Indianapolis, we have awarded Policeman and Detective of the month for many years, and in Louisville, Ky. our company created a foundation for the Louisville Metro Police in order to fill gaps in the budget. To date, we have raised more than $3 million. These are just a few examples of our support of law enforcement.

I can also tell you that our company has apologized for this incident. Our CEO, G.J. Hart, immediately called Captain Susan Culin of the Fairfax County Police Department as soon as he was made aware of the situation several weeks ago. As the son of a retired Virginia police officer, Mr. Hart was quite upset and disappointed to discover that a Texas Roadhouse employee would have done anything to offend a police officer or a police department. Mr. Hart extended his personal apologies and those of the company to the police department.

While it in no way excuses the manager’s actions, Texas Roadhouse also made a monetary contribution in Augus to a trust fund in honor of the fallen officers, Michael Garbarino and Vicky Armel.

Also, while we are not allowed to discuss the details of our disciplinary actions against employees, I can tell you that the individual who sent that letter no longer works at the restaurant.

In addition, I personally spoke with Captain Culin of the Fairfax County Police Department on Friday, September 8, and she relayed to me that she felt that the issue had been resolved to her satisfaction. She also sent out a follow-up e-mail to all Fairfax County Police Department personnel stating that she felt that this situation had been dealt with appropriately. In her letter, Captain Culin states that her issue was with one individual and not the entire company or other Texas Roadhouse locations and she certainly never endorsed a boycott of Chantilly or other locations. Captain Culin reiterated this to me again Friday on the phone. I would be happy to send you a copy of the e-mail if you would like to review it.

I understand your anger over this horrible incidnet, but I hope that you will not judge the Texas Roadhouse employees near your home in New Hampshire and in Massachusetts and based on the actions of an individual in Virginia, who longer works at the restaurant.

Thanks again for your feedback, and please don’t hesitate to contact me if you have any additional questions.

(Senior Managers Name)
Texas Roadhouse
Louisville, Kentucky
(Phone Number)

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I got this response less then an hour after emailing the Chantily location. I figured in fairness, I should post it. Names, numbers, and titles, withheld to prevent trolls from calling this particular member of managment, and to prevent some one from linking my complaint to me or my department.



Posted by: Andy0921

Wtf



Posted by: SOT

I say we as a group boycott this resturant until they send written appoliges to the police officers families and the department in question.
Who's with me?



Posted by: SOT

Well? Who's with my on the boycott?




Posted by: jasonbr

what's the deal with the Texas Road House?



Posted by: jasonbr

nevermind



Posted by: benike84

This is a very unfortuante incident, but I honestly don't believe it is widespread. It was just an idiot who probably has had some negative contact with law enforcement in the past and found a way to get even. The Texas Roadhouse is one of my favorite resturants. Sorry SOT I won't boycott them because I do believe the company is doing all it can to make things right.



Posted by: SOT

Hey you gotta do what you gotta do. I guess I was trying to be sarcastic...in that they have done all the things listed but it doesn't excuse them...but you might be right, it was one idiot BUT they didn't fire that idiot....and to me that's an affront to me delicate sensibilities.



Posted by: benike84

He definitely should be fired.



Posted by: Macop

The food is good, however the Texas Road House that did this is to be boycotted without question. My only question is should we boycott all of em or just the douchebag one. I'll follow the brothers and sisters in blue on this one, what do yall think?



Posted by: MM1799

I doubt anyone will click 'no'. Not to be pessimistic but a national chain of resturants wont be affected by a small boycott (comparable to their regular customer). Especially when people like me never heard of it before . With that said, it is the right thing to do.



Posted by: Gil

Is there one even up this way??



Posted by: benike84

Methuen, Malden area? & somewhere on the southshore



Posted by: kwflatbed

MA - Brockton
MA - Everett
MA - Methuen
MA - N. Dartmouth



Posted by: lofu

I think there is one in Brockton, correct me if I am wrong. As for the boycott, I won't be going to the Roadhouse in question, however I am fairly satisfied with the company's response to this outrageous situation and will most likely not hold this against them. I think it would be hypocritical of me to let the actions of one asshole employee affect my view of the whole organization. When a cop f's up we are the first ones to say "don't let one bad apple spoil the bunch, ect."



Posted by: lofu

I clicked no. I explain it in the other thread but here goes. This situation is much like when one cop f's up. People on this site, myself included always say "don't let one bad apple spoil the bunch," "every professing has their bad guys," "the actions of one do not reflect on the all us." I think if the department whose brother officer's have forgiven the company, that is enough for me. Don't get me wrong, if I had a shot at that snot nosed manager, I would take it but I think the company has shown that they are law enforcement friendly (see the other thread for the contents of the letter on of the members of this forum recieved in response to their complaint.)



Posted by: MM1799

That makes a lot of sense. You are the better man than that loser who wrote the letter.



Posted by: masscopguy

I don't have all the facts but unless the corporate headquaters has issued a formal apology and made some sort of donation to the officers fund, I think we should all boycott the place.

There is one just down the street from me in Everett and I have no problem eating my prime rib elsewhere.



Posted by: mtc

I'd been to the Brockton location a few times. I will never, ever return. Food is OK. Service ? Complete incompetance. I've never had such poor service anywhere, well except for an Applebees' in Stoughton a few years ago, never went back there either.

I'd be inclined to think the idividual manager was fearing his bottom line report for the month, and made the preposterous request of the PD.

I'd give a vote to boycott them all... but I already won't be back.



Posted by: JoninNH

Strange thing is, I've never been to a Texas Roadhouse... I was planning on trying the one in Nashua, NH in October on my birthday... but hey, I guess that's not on the agenda. I like the fact that I got an quick response to my complaint, but it just doesn't feel right to me. Yes, it was the actions of just one manager, but what does that say about the company's hiring standards? The fact that the manager was not publicly censured or fired outright bothers me. Maybe it's a legal thing down there or whatever. Regardless, they lost me as a customer.



Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

The food at TR is AWESOME... best steak in a restaurant I've ever eaten (and mashed potatoes). I never had a problem with the service at Brockton, although the atmosphere is rather loud and busy.

However, I think each restaurant is franchised... are they not? If they are, then boycotting the company as a whole would be useless (and a damn shame to perfectly good TR restaurants that are managed by people that would never ever dream of acting so abhorrently or classless).



Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

I voted no. I'm pretty sure TR is a franchise operation and I'm not going to deprive myself of a good steak locally because of some slophouse in Virginia with shitbag managers.



Posted by: speccop

I think the franchise seems to be on the ball with correcting this issue. And thankfully, that douchebag no longer works with them.



Posted by: Otto

Quote:
Originally Posted by lofu
I clicked no. I explain it in the other thread but here goes. This situation is much like when one cop f's up. People on this site, myself included always say "don't let one bad apple spoil the bunch," "every professing has their bad guys," "the actions of one do not reflect on the all us." I think if the department whose brother officer's have forgiven the company, that is enough for me. Don't get me wrong, if I had a shot at that snot nosed manager, I would take it but I think the company has shown that they are law enforcement friendly (see the other thread for the contents of the letter on of the members of this forum recieved in response to their complaint.)
Ditto.



Posted by: KozmoKramer

OK, not to hijack the thread, but is this place really that good?
This is the first time I've ever heard of it and I see there is one in Nashua and Methuen. Anybody ever had a meal at one of em?



Posted by: benike84

Yes, they have unbelievable steak. They also have a very country atmosphere. Don't go if you are allergic to peanuts!



Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by KozmoKramer
OK, not to hijack the thread, but is this place really that good?
This is the first time I've ever heard of it and I see there is one in Nashua and Methuen. Anybody ever had a meal at one of em?
I've been to the one in Everett. If you like red meat, you'll love the place, although they do have quite a varied menu. The only thing I really didn't like was the country music blaring at a level that bordered on painful, which also made discussion more of a yelling match.

I considered boycotting them, but like someone mentioned, the corporation shouldn't be held accountable for the actions of one moron.



Posted by: KozmoKramer

Thanks guys.
Considering what Benike said, I don't think I'll be going there anytime soon.
My little guy has a peanut allergy..
Can't eat food cooked with em.



Posted by: RPD931

Well from what I have read, it appears CLEARLY that the compnay has apologized and they have even made decent sized donations in memory of those fallen officers mentioned. The Company CEO is the son of a retired cop and took it quite personally. The letter requesting money from the Police/City was from the low level scumbag restaraunt Manager, not the company. And that ass is no longer employed.



Posted by: RPD931

Before you vote "Yes", read the article and letter one of the other members here got. It CLEARLY indicates that the insensitive BS came from the low-level scumbag manager of a SINGLE restaurant. Not a COMPANY decision. The CEO is the son of a retired cop and took the issue VERY personally and the company also made sizable donations to funds set up in memory of the Officers mentioned. I do not think that a dumbass decision or statement by one fucktard should reflect on the company in whole.

I have NEVER been to a Texas Roadhouse so I have no idea about the food nor do I have any reason to support it. I just think that boycotting a place because of a single scumbag in Virginia is a bit harsh.



Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by KozmoKramer
Thanks guys.
Considering what Benike said, I don't think I'll be going there anytime soon.
My little guy has a peanut allergy..
Can't eat food cooked with em.
They don't cook with them, but a big basket of unshelled peanuts is put on every table, unless you say otherwise. Think of the OLD Ground Round restaurants, back when you could toss the empty shells on the floor.



Posted by: KozmoKramer

Ah.. Got it, thanks Delta.



Posted by: SOT

The CORP did not fire the guy, therefore they condone the actions of him. Until that idiot is fired, no punishment is good enough.

I must say I am shocked by those that would choose their wastline over other officers. Some of you guys amaze me. We are talking about cops here and all you can think about is some POS chain steak house and the food. That's pretty god damn sad.

There's no food good enough in this world that would make me cross that line.
The Corp could have done something pretty simple, fire the guy outright but they didn't. Doing all they did was great, but they left out that one final step.

I see a refernece to the fact that the guy no longer works there, if he doesn't it wasn't because he got fired (or so I have seen). If they did good for them and yeah boycott over BUT still food, cops, food cops, obviously some of you can't help but eat the food with the blood of cops on it.

When you are eating that nice juicy red steak, think of the blood on the pavment of those officers and the gall of the company not to fire shithead outright. I know if we pulled some shit like that, my boss would fire us in a heart beat.

Jesus...



Posted by: SOT

Where does it say they fired him? When I called the corp had not fired him and as the communications lady said" We generally do not discuss employee actions. But we will say he was reprimanded but not released from service."

So unless you called in the last couple days and they told you otherwise, the company DID NOT FIRE the shitbird.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RPD931
Well from what I have read, it appears CLEARLY that the compnay has apologized and they have even made decent sized donations in memory of those fallen officers mentioned. The Company CEO is the son of a retired cop and took it quite personally. The letter requesting money from the Police/City was from the low level scumbag restaraunt Manager, not the company. And that ass is no longer employed.




Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by SOT_II
So unless you called in the last couple days and they told you otherwise, the company DID NOT FIRE the shitbird.
If it's a franchise (which I don't know), then I don't believe they can fire him.



Posted by: BrickCop

I'd love to pile on but in this case the parent company did the right thing. Every workplace has had at least one idiot who royally screwed up at some point. It wouldn't be fair to brand an entire organization because of this one clueless a-hole.



Posted by: SPO123

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
If it's a franchise (which I don't know), then I don't believe they can fire him.
True, but they exercise ultimate control over a franchise...fire him or we pull everything off your menu.

He was way out of line. The corp is worried about him coming back at them more than the officers and their family? I guess money talks for them, but not any of my money...



Posted by: dcs2244

I will not eat there. Sorry, Dunny, I don't believe they have a steak of the calibre to forgive this offense. I had a bison steak Saturday night that I would wager was better than their best filet.

For those of you who want real food: there are plenty of local establishments if only you'd just look around your area. Sure, chain places are easy to find, but their quality is inconsistant at different locations.

Any dinner out should provide a child with an opportunity to learn (and display) their manners. My brother and I practiced (and learned) our social etiquette at Danny Sheahans Steakhouse in Lockport, NY (the best tenderloin tips you'll ever have!). Coat, tie and "Shirley Temples" were the order of the day! Do not limit your selves to chain dumps...Worcester alone has the Sole Proprieter and the 111 Chop house, both of which have better steaks/fish than the chain outlets. Are they more expensive? Yes, but the quality and atmosphere are worth it. So the price means you can only do it once a month...it now becomes a real treat for your kids, and a chance to "dress-up"...

Snobbish: NO. A chance to teach your kids how to conduct themselves in polite company: YES. Anyone can consume substandard victuals at a chain dive...real people learn to eat and appreciate disparate foods (Sakora Tokyo, anyone...?).

As an aside: enroll your whelps in Arthur Murray...they will hate you in the present, and love you in the future.



Posted by: SOT

If they can "punish him" as they stated they did, they can fire him.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
If it's a franchise (which I don't know), then I don't believe they can fire him.




Posted by: dcs2244

Sot, Death to Smoochie!



Posted by: SOT

Smoochy is the face of evil!



Posted by: Rock

Quote:
Originally Posted by SOT_II
obviously some of you can't help but eat the food with the blood of cops on it.

When you are eating that nice juicy red steak, think of the blood on the pavment of those officers and the gall of the company not to fire shithead outright. I know if we pulled some shit like that, my boss would fire us in a heart beat.

Jesus...
Slightly mello dramatic SOT. Easy. The question to boycott or not has nothing to do with the quality of stake. I could care less if it's a McDonalds. It's the actions we're viewing here. There was one jackhole that made a stupid decision and the letters that I've read seem to indicate the company is doing what they can at this juncture. Fired or not....we don't know. He doesn't work there anymore but we dont' know why because it seems clear to me that the company is not allowed to discuss it's employee personel decisions (by law or policy...who cares). Fact is, he obviously doesn't work there anymore due to this incident.



Posted by: Crvtte65

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoninNH
based on the actions of an individual in Virginia, who longer works at the restaurant.

Thanks again for your feedback, and please don’t hesitate to contact me if you have any additional questions.

(Senior Managers Name)
Texas Roadhouse
Louisville, Kentucky
(Phone Number)
I think right there it says he was fired....



Posted by: MA218

Glad he was fired.

I live right up the street from the Everett location, and I was there once with the wife awhile back. I wasn't impressed. The service was slow and the food was nothing to write home about.

Besides...TGI Fridays is right next door.





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