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Posted by: jimbo

I am a full time municipal police officer and have zero affiliation s with any sheriff's departments. i worked in the department of correction for 8 years so have empathy and respect for correction officers. with that said, i urge all officers in Plymouth County to support Joe McDONALD for Sheriff in Plymouth County. in my opinion, the present sheriff is an arrogant person who has brought nepotism and cronyism to new heights.
it's jamokes like the present sheriff that cause disrespect for sheriff department employees because all are assumed to have gotten their jobs by holding campaign signs, donating $$$ or sucking up to this arrogant jerk. Joe MCDONALD is pro police and correction officer. he is an assistant district attorney who is well liked by police officers for his level headedness, fairness and good nature. he would bring respect back to the sheriff's department and give true respect to the sheriff department employees. vote for Joe McDonald (R) and take the BS out of at l;east one sheriffs department . i am acquanted with Mr McDonald but have absolutely nothing to gain by endorsing him.

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Jimbo,

Other than being an ADA, what qualifications does your friend have to be Sheriff?? Its good to see that he has a non-political agenda running for Sheriff, but just being an ADA doesn't sound to convincing. Although being a Rebublican is a step in the right direction, in and of itself

!!!

Stay safe!!!

Posted by: 2-Delta

I also see "Palumbo"s name a lot, does anyone know his platform or history?

Posted by: jimbo

palombo was a civil deputy for plymouth county. got fired by the present sheriff for campaining for his opponent. trouble with him, in my opinion, is that he is on a democ rat
town commitee and is reportedly already promising jobs to the coatholders.. he would be just as bad as the present guy and the sheriff's dept would still have the same reputation for cronyism.

Posted by: PearlOnyx

A firefighter got elected Sheriff, the same way a Car Salesman gets elected Sheriff: Money, power and votes. Sometimes I think that qualifications fall in dead last when electing someone in this state.

Posted by: RPD931

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Originally Posted by PearlOnyx

A firefighter got elected Sheriff, the same way a Car Salesman gets elected Sheriff: Money, power and votes. Sometimes I think that qualifications fall in dead last when electing someone in this state.

That's what we get when voters don't take their votes seriously or are uneducated about candidates...

Posted by: jimbo

the people who get screwed are those that work for the sheriffs depts.. the coat holders get appointments as deputies and get the prime jobs - limited inmate contact.
an example is the guard shack at plymouth county jail - they watch people enter the jail or police academy. everytime the homeland security warning system gets elevated, they man the shack 24 hrs a day getting overtime - the union fought that because only mcdonough's depu hacks were getting the big bucks for a cushy job. fairness would seem to dictate that the correction officers get to man the shack and the coat holders have to work the units as a c o for a year before they can become a deputy - i hope mcdonough gets booted out. the trouble with elected sheriffs is the that the guy who promises the most cronyism is the one who motivates his political machine to get the vote out. the average tax payer seldom gives sheriff candidates a thought.... maybe the
posistion should be appointed by the Commisioner of the Dept of Correction...

Posted by: MALawman

The majority of the complaints I see on this topic are incorrect. The full time correction officers who are also academy trained sworn Deputy Sheriffs have first call on all details. This is in the contract, not a wild guess by people on the outside looking in.

As for a person not being qualified to be elected to a position in government. If a person runs for Sheriff what would you have for the requirements? How about requirements for a Senator or a Governor or even the President of the United States? The simple fact is that anyone can run for any elective office in this country. The only requirement is that the person have a majority of people vote for him. If you feel that the current Sheriff is not qualified for his position, then feel free to draw out nomination papers against him, or donate yourself to any of the other candidates who are running. But to sit there and tap out on a keyboard in this forum incorrect statements is really a waste of time.

Posted by: RPD931

^ Well put!! =D> =D> =D>

Posted by: MALawman

Thank you for taking the time to read my incomplete profile. I can see that by your lighting fast deductions of who and what I do for a living based upon my posting that you must be the pride of your agency. As for myself being naive, I have been called many things by many educated people but never naive. But, I have been called many unflattering names by uneducated people who attempted to justify their actions and words with incorrect statements and name calling when the truth is not on their side.

You state that I believe nepotism and politics is acceptable in law enforcement. I would like for you to explain how you came to that conclusion based upon my postings? My postings are based upon my opinions and reality. The Office of Sheriff is an elective position in not only this state, but a majority of states in this country. You will also find that in some states that a Chief of Police is an elective position. Do you believe that the Mass. Attorney General should be removed from office also? You see the Massachusetts Attorney General is the highest law enforcement officer in this state and it is an elective position also.

Please reply to this posting with proper spelling and grammar, and with reasonable opinions and facts, not name calling and incorrect statements. You are making all of us look bad.

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

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Originally Posted by MALawman

As for a person not being qualified to be elected to a position in government. If a person runs for Sheriff what would you have for the requirements? How about requirements for a Senator or a Governor or even the President of the United States? The simple fact is that anyone can run for any elective office in this country.

I believe in order to run for District Attorney, you need to be an attorney. To run for Sheriff, you should need to be in law enforcement or corrections.

Posted by: Otto

I could be wrong, but I am not aware that the appointed position of Commissioner of Corrections needs correctional experience. Anybody know for sure?

Posted by: Otto

I was wrong. I looked it up. 5 years of adult correctional supervision is needed. It does not say anything about having been a correctional officer. I think it was Ch 27, Sec 1.

The legislature should make minimum qualifications. In Worcester, there is a former inmate running.

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by Otto

The legislature should make minimum qualifications. In Worcester, there is a former inmate running.

That, for lack of a better word, sucks.

Posted by: MALawman

Once any elective political office has requirements it becomes too restrictive for a majority of citizens. How can anyone run for office, if the requirements for that office are experience in that office?

This forum could go on forever about this subject. I suggest that if you have an opinion about any elective political office requirements that you contact your state representative and state senator and ask for them to rewrite the laws you don't agree with. Feel free to contact them at this URL http://www.state.ma.us/legis/legis.htm

Sitting here typing on a keyboard in this forum about matters out of our normal control is a waste of valuable time. I plan to enjoy my two days off out in the sunshine and good weather. What are you going to do?

Posted by: Wolfman

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Originally Posted by MALawman

Once any elective political office has requirements it becomes too restrictive for a majority of citizens. How can anyone run for office, if the requirements for that office are experience in that office?

How about experience directly related to that office?

By not having experience in the field you are running for, your goal for election becomes a self-serving flight of fancy rather than a rooted mission to perform the tasks of the job. If someone really wants to be a Mayor, they should have bona fide experience as a personnel manager, financial savvy, and defined skills in planning and developing a community, not because it "would be a cool thing to try".

Would you want Martin Sheen to be President because he played one on TV?

Posted by: jimbo

yep, he's a hack

Posted by: jimbo

my problem with the current sheriff in plymouth county is that he blatantly uses county resources for personal political gain. he spent county dollars having his name put on all the sheriff dept vehicles, he had a medium sized bill board put up on the county farm with his name prominently displayed on it facing rt 3 - (not a mention that items are for sale at the farm -so what is the billboards real purpose ??), spent thousands of tax dollars to mail glossy" information" brochures about the sheriffs dept to all the homes in the county - with his picture and name mentioned numerous times, erects an illuminated stone wall, with his name on it facing the egress rd to a busy transfer station owned by the town, etc, etc... police chiefs do not use municipal resources like this - why does he plaster his name on county property ? by the way- why do some of the sheriff dept vehicles have "call 9-1-1" on them ? is he misrepresenting the sheriffs dept ? police , fire and ems do 9-1-1 in massachusetts- not the sheriffs dept...
couldn't this tax money be spent better ? previous plymouth county sheriffs did not do this, isn't it grossly unfair for an incumbant to use sheriffs dept property for advertising himself ??? i think i'll call the state ethics commission on this fireman - oops sheriff. i think the politics this guy brazenly uses to create a fiefdom are a disservice to the correction officers, the legitimate deputies, the tax payers and potential candidates who challenge him. he had his water boys holding campaign signs for him yesterday - pathetic..... did i mention that he is a democ rat ?? what a shocker.....

Posted by: Wolfman

You lost me there...what exactly does CTSP have to do with CTDOC, or was that another weakly veiled attempt at inciting anymosity? Jimbo has some real points which I don't see you addressng directly, rather you deflect off to Alaska, Hawaii, and CT.

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I have seen the police in one town used to arrest a respectable candidate for public office just before the election. (FYI it was DWI and later found not guilty)

They were "used" for the arrest? Oh, come on. Were the elements met for the arrest? If not, where's the lawsuit? Where was the motion to suppress? Any cop knows that "not guilty" and "innocent" aren't necessarily synonymous. In Massachusetts, it's easier to beat a drunk driving charge than a speeding ticket. (FYI in Massachusetts, it's "OUI", not "DWI")

Tell ya what. You're a realist, you live in the real world. A Sergeant with a couple year's experience still beats a firefighter with none or a secretary whose closest conenction with real corrections was parking in the same lot as CO's. The whole Massachusetts Sheriff "system" needs an overhaul, or perhaps just an exorcism and proper burial.

BTW -
Some of us are pale because we sleep all day.

Posted by: Dane

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FYI I'm old school not fresh paint, back when the only Captain you knew was named Kangaroo we called it DWI. I still run people through LEAPS too.

Huh?

What was this thread about again?

Posted by: RPD931

Yeah... in other threads people have questions about the LE field and if 1 or 2 posts get off track they lock it... in this thread, I'm just lost...

Posted by: Irishpride

Off topic but....

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Originally Posted by MALawman

..... Bernard B. Kerik would never have been*Police Commissioners of New York City. Safir was a firefighter and Kerik was a corrections officer

Just to add some historical accuracy to this statement. Kerik was I think a Dep. Warden when he left corrections to be a NYPD street cop. He worked his way up to Det. and then worked narcotics for a while. I saw a pretty good documentary about him a while back, he definitely had a very interesting career.

Posted by: MALawman

OK, So instead of a firefighter you guys bow down to a rich Mormon businessman who is a carpetbagger from either Utah or Michigan. Couple years ago it was a fat girl from cow country, before blimp girl it was a car salesman, and before him it was a drunkard lawyer who thinks he is a novelist. You don’t get your jobs, special unit assignments or promotions based upon politics? Says who? Got any idea how many Troopers are related to each other? How do sons and daughters get on the SP when daddy is already there? Magic? I doubt it. The problem with the state police and the municipal police is a bad case of denial. "Oh no, not us we hire off a test list." Got any ideas how many different civil service lists there are? Regular list, EMT list, female list, minority list, language list, cadet list and I am sure a few others. Now when does the SP post the scores and names for public viewing on their test? Denial is not just a river!!

Do you think the E-Board will still have a vote on the new Colonel? My money is on Captain Kathleen Stefani, the good Captain will be a breath of fresh air. Considering all that is coming down in the next few months after the DNC, a female Colonel will be Romney’s best bet.

Posted by: ecpd402

Before this post gets locked I just want to add my two cents. I thought this post was about the sheriffs department not slamming other agencies. Also I have noticed that this is a great deal amount of discussions about how great MSP is and screw anyone else who tries to step on their feet. I have a great deal of respect for MSP and even attended there academy. Personally I don't care if sheriffs patrol the roads. Send them to the MCJTC and get them out there more bodies. Sometimes we forget we serve the public and our agencies wether we are Hospital Police, Campus Police, MBTA ,Aux Police ,MSP and deputy sheriffs have one thing in common protect the commonwealths citizens. I hope I don't offend anyone thats not my intention lets try to get along.

Posted by: Mikey682

I bet if everyone ignores this little virgin he will get bored with this and go back to beating-off to his family photo album.

Posted by: Gil

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