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Some Police Officers Getting Free Rides

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BOSTON -- With the rising cost of gas, state, federal and local governments are trying to figure out how to squeeze more dollars out of their budgets to pay for their cars.
NewsCenter 5's Janet Wu reported that one exception is the city of Lawrence, one of the poorest cities in Massachusetts, which has a generous take home policy for city employees -- especially the police department.

Team 5 discovered that these cars get plenty of use outside of city business.

One Lawrence police captain lives four towns away -- more than 17 miles from work. But most mornings, he takes his daughter to school in his unmarked vehicle, often returning home afterward.
Another deputy chief leaves work on a Thursday evening and drives 24 miles to Salem to have dinner at Finz -- a popular tourist spot on the harbor -- again in his own unmarked police cruiser.
Team 5 followed dozens of officers over a two-month period as they ran personal errands -- going to the bank, buying lottery tickets, even meeting most mornings for breakfast with the police chief. Four to six unmarked cars were parked daily outside a McDonalds.
One police lieutenant left police headquarters in her unmarked cruiser an hour after her shift began, for the sole purpose of buying lottery tickets at a convenience store.
"It is a take-home cruiser. However, I do not use it to do any personal errands when I'm off duty," she said.
When told she had been observed at the convenience store before she said, "When I was working."
When asked if she was denying that she was doing a personal errand, the officer ignored the question and returned to her cruiser and drove off.
It wouldn't matter if she was on or off duty, however, because Lawrence Police Chief John Romero said there is no policy on what officers can do with their vehicles and nearly one fourth of the force has a take-home car -- most of them living outside of Lawrence.
"I need people getting to the scene as quickly as possible, not getting there after the fact," Romero said.
Some Lawrence officials said that the using the cars off duty is not only a waste of taxpayer dollars with the rising cost of gas, but could pose safety concerns.
When asked if it is appropriate to transport their children in a police vehicle, Lawrence City Councilor Nunzio DiMarca said no.
"Liability, and it is not conducting city business," he said.
Team 5 surveyed 10 other communities of similar size and or demographics and discovered that most of them allow only a handful of cars to be taken home and usually non-police personnel are banned from the vehicles.
"It's a liability to the city. If there was an accident, and there's a non-police personnel in the car," Quincy Police Chief Robert Crowley said.
When asked if it would be acceptable for personnel to take a car 22 miles away to have dinner in another city Crowley said, "Absolutely not." When asked if it would be OK to take children to school or to buy lottery tickets or a cup of coffee, Crowley again said no.
Asked why Quincy's policy was so restrictive, Crowley said, "We don't think the city of Quincy, the citizens of Quincy, should have to pay for the officers' gas if they are not on duty."
But Lawrence Mayor Michael Sullivan disagreed.
"When you're on call 24 hours a day, like we are in this city, you have to be able to do other personal things with that car," he said.
But police officers aren't the only ones taking unmarked vehicles home. Jay Jackson is in charge of vehicle and building maintenance for the department. He lives a mile from police headquarters, but drives outside of town on personal business -- with taxpayers footing the bill.
"What we've done in Lawrence has worked for Lawrence and has worked for the benefit for the people in the community," Romero said.
Romero bragged that crime is down 55 percent since he's taken office. He showed statistics that there have been only two murders in two years there and that residential burglary and auto theft are down for the year.
But in the first seven months of 2006, robberies were up, commercial burglaries were up, larcenies were up and aggravated assaults were up.
And what is this costing Lawrence taxpayers? In fiscal 2006, gas pumped by police at the city's DPW yard cost about $95,000. The city is only 7 square miles, yet more gas was purchased by police officers at commercial gas stations, where prices are even higher, suggesting they were not near the city center.
Yet the police chief and the mayor insisted that it is worth the expense, even if a deputy chief drives 24 miles one way just to have dinner.
"Deputy chiefs, as myself, we don't get paid overtime. We don't get time back. We simply are paid a salary. I wouldn't say it's a perk. It's an incentive," he said.
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BOSTON -- Team 5 began this project by examining the different policies of take-home cars for city and town employees in random communities.
With the rising costs of gasoline, this is one budget item that many local officials are watching carefully.

We discovered a wide-range of policies. Many are very restrictive and allow only a small handful of officials to take cars home. Some have narrowly defined rules over what vehicles can be used for -- driving to and from the place of employment only -- and who can ride in them -- no non-municipal workers allowed in the vehicles.

A few communities, however, have little to no regulations.

Police departments, in particular, have the widest range of options since vehicles are a major part of their daily routine.
Lawrence's police department is one of these agencies with a generous policy. There are 39 unmarked cars and most of them are taken home by officers. More than half of these officers do not live in Lawrence. Both Police Chief John Romano and Mayor Michael Sullivan defend the practice, saying they want no delay between the time officers are called to a scene and their arrival. As a result, officers are allowed to transport their families in these cars -- even taking them to the scene of a crime if necessary -- use the vehicles as their personal cars as they run errands and even go out to dinner in communities far from Lawrence.
This is a radically different policy from Worcester, Malden, Newton, New Bedford, Brookline, Dedham, Lowell and Quincy police departments, which depend on their on-duty officers in marked and unmarked cars to respond to emergencies. (We picked these cities because they were either similar in size or demographics to Lawrence.)
Those departments allow only a few unmarked cars to be driven home, and even then, the officers are allowed to use them only to drive from the station to their homes.
They, like the Lawrence officers, are on call 24/7, but are not allowed to transport family members or use the vehicles for personal trips.
Quincy's police chief said he does not believe taxpayers should foot the gas bills of officers who are off-duty.
In Lowell, officials told Team 5, the use of take-home cars is a serious issue and needs the same scrutiny as other extras, such as cell phones. In Newton, the take-home policy requires officers who commute more than 15 miles home to reimburse the city for the extra gas.
Lawrence Police Department's gasoline bill for the fiscal year 2006 was sizeable -- more than $212,000, with more than half of it purchased at commercial gas stations where the price is more than 70 cents per gallon higher than the city's Department of Public Utility gas pump, which is centrally located in the small, seven-square-mile city. This suggests many of the cars gassed up outside of Lawrence, although officials could not provide us with the breakdown of that information.
We followed more than two dozen officers over a nearly three-month period. We were careful not to compromise any undercover officers and not reveal the license plates of these unmarked cars.
Sarah Stolper, Producer
Janet Wu, Reporter

Posted by: MARINECOP

Go to love the media. I missed it on the news. Anyone have a video link to that story?

Posted by: BrickCop

It's always about the cops. How come they never do stories on the city/state political hacks who drive to the golf courses, malls, etc with their Municipal/State/"confidential" plates.

Posted by: KozmoKramer

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Originally Posted by MARINECOP

Go to love the media. I missed it on the news. Anyone have a video link to that story?

This should take you there MC.
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/inve...39/detail.html

Posted by: Chree

Yet Quincy's unmarked are allowed to transport woman and children, so called "non-police personnel" to the DOVE shelter....Does the liability go away if the people in the car are unrelated to the officer???

Posted by: andy0921

Bull shit!!!! Fuck Janet Wu! I cant belive they wasted 2 months of there time stalking these officers..Actually I can. Who the hell cares if that Capt. went to buy a lotto ticket, we all go to the convenience store during our shift. Would they have rather her have gotten in her POV to go to the convenience store, and then return to HQ to pick up her cruiser when there "Team 5 investigation car" got in A MVA or when Janet Wu got mugged....BULL SHIT! Find something else to report to the citizens you dumb broad. Whats next A mail man was seen parking his mail truck at A 711 after only 1 hour of delivering mail to use the bathroom.

Posted by: adroitcuffs

Hmmm, lemme get this straight... during my shift, if I want a cup of coffee, I should take my cruiser back to the station, get into my POV, then drive to the location of said desired coffee???

Hey, does that mean I could actually have an undisturbed, um, what's that term..... oh yeah, lunch break?!?!?!?!?

So, how many times has Ms. Wu taken care of "personal errands" while she's "on duty"? Betcha she takes home plenty of office supplies, too! So what if a chief decides to allow a "generous" take-home vehicle policy? It's not like the officers are driving to Vegas! You can darn well bet the community is benefitting when you step back & take a look at the bigger picture here! Keep your officers happy...
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Posted by: 94c

on a side note, none of these people figured out they were being tailed?

Posted by: j809

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Originally Posted by 94c

on a side note, none of these people figured out they were being tailed?

I was just going to say that.

Posted by: MARINECOP

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Originally Posted by KozmoKramer

This should take you there MC.
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/inve...39/detail.html

Thank you Kozmo.

Posted by: LA Copper

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Originally Posted by 94c

on a side note, none of these people figured out they were being tailed?

I was also thinking the same thing.

Nothing surprises me about the media anymore... They like to single us out because we're civil servants and they like to think they pay our salary. They all seem to forget that without us, there would be anarchy. But then again, that would make for a good story and give them better ratings and sell more papers... We can't win.

Posted by: SGT_GRUNT_USMC

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Originally Posted by LA Copper

Yeah,No sh*t.If the POLICE were not doing their jobs,society would go straight down the toilet.There would be rioting in the streets,anarchy,gangs roaming the streets.If the MEDIA were not doing thier jobs there would just be less posts on Masscops.

Posted by: Mongo

Janet Who?

Posted by: andy0921

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Originally Posted by Mongo

Janet Who?

Janet c*ntrag

Posted by: RPD931

So if an Officer went to pick-up lunch, one these media ass-reporters would call it personal use. So I guess them best thing to do is to allow the Officer to starve. Who cares what they are doing with the cars? The main reason the have them is to be available to "respond" if needed. If that Captain or Lt. was buying lottery tickets, who cares? If she was needed she would merely get back into her car and go. Heck, at a convenience store she's probably closer to her cruiser than she would be at the station.

Posted by: Mongo

Not happy when we are around, not happy when we are not around.

We all know it's pretty much a thankless job.

SCREW JANET WU AND CH 5 TOO.

Posted by: AR15Ron

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Originally Posted by LA Copper

I for one welcome our new media overlords.

Posted by: GD

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Originally Posted by Chree

Yet Quincy's unmarked are allowed to transport woman and children, so called "non-police personnel" to the DOVE shelter....Does the liability go away if the people in the car are unrelated to the officer???

Did you expect anything more from Crowley? He should retire and go away!!
If there is a major crime and they can't get the proper personel to a crime scene because they are in their POV's in traffic then the outcry will be just the opposite.
Why let it bother you, 3/4 of the people could care less about what you do because they have there own problems. The other 1/4 are activists who want us all to be making $14,000/year because they want to fund some welfare program with the extra money so "Suzie" can get extra welfare in her check or just hate police.

Posted by: Deuce

Funnny how the media leeches don't do stories on the beloved firefighters driving engines around on their personal business. Come to Worcester and watch them block an entire road while shopping at a popular meat market. Hell, parked in a Price Chopper fire zone for a half hour to shop. Sshh, don't even give em crap for washing their POV's, grilling, working out or just watching tv all day. Just give the cops crap... F the media and f people....

Posted by: andy0921

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Originally Posted by Deuce

Funnny how the media leeches don't do stories on the beloved firefighters driving engines around on their personal business. Come to Worcester and watch them block an entire road while shopping at a popular meat market. Hell, parked in a Price Chopper fire zone for a half hour to shop. Sshh, don't even give em crap for washing their POV's, grilling, working out or just watching tv all day. Just give the cops crap... F the media and f people....

So true, every time I listen to the scanner in my car the fd will say "blah blah blah is on the air for a service run" and then you see the bus or engine at the mall or something.

Posted by: SinePari

The average Joe doesn't ever have any contact with the police until he gets a speeding ticket. So said citizens would like to rally around an outcry of abuse. The media hypnosis is working...

Posted by: Buford T

Hate us till you need us.... Should be on every cruiser door.

Posted by: Killjoy

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As we tell the new guys on our job: "If you wanted to be loved, you should have become a firefighter...no one is happy to see the police!"

Posted by: andy0921

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Originally Posted by Buford T

Hate us till you need us.... Should be on every cruiser door.

Maybe I can get our cruiser guy to put that on the 07's in itallics.

"Hate us till you need us"

Posted by: j809

They are just jealous. I worked a detail the other day and stopped in at a Mobil to pickup a drink, to hear two stupid sarcastic $5.50 hr clerks talking on how we are overpaid, working a detail is not an honest day's work. Unbelievable, I told them, if you want to wear the badge, earn it and take the test and go through the process, otherwise STFU. If I make $120K a year, it's because I worked my ass off, but the perception that working a detail is like stealing is truly outrageous.

Posted by: andy0921

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Originally Posted by j809

They are just jealous. I worked a detail the other day and stopped in at a Mobil to pickup a drink, to hear two stupid sarcastic $5.50 hr clerks talking on how we are overpaid, working a detail is not an honest day's work. Unbelievable, I told them, if you want to wear the badge, earn it and take the test and go through the process, otherwise STFU. If I make $120K a year, it's because I worked my ass off, but the perception that working a detail is like stealing is truly outrageous.

We have a bitchy clerk at one of our 24 hours stores, who always tell us how she feels about us too.

Posted by: RPD931

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Originally Posted by andy0921

We have a bitchy clerk at one of our 24 hours stores, who always tell us how she feels about us too.

You should tell her how you feel about her too.

Start off with something like: "Listen here you two dollar trailer park 'ho..."

Posted by: no$.10

Reminds me of a funny "perfect reply" story--years ago "local Fire Dept" was called to a m/v lock out. They showed up in the fire truck and the guy who locked himself out says, "Geez, you didn't have to send out the whole truck", Fire Dept guy says, "what'd ya think, we were gonna take our own cars?"

still laughing over that one.

Posted by: LA Copper

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Originally Posted by no$.10

Reminds me of a funny "perfect reply" story--years ago "local Fire Dept" was called to a m/v lock out. They showed up in the fire truck and the guy who locked himself out says, "Geez, you didn't have to send out the whole truck", Fire Dept guy says, "what'd ya think, we were gonna take our own cars?"

still laughing over that one.

I can't believe the Fire Department would respond for a lockout. Isn't that what AAA is for?

Posted by: no$.10

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Originally Posted by LA Copper

I can't believe the Fire Department would respond for a lockout. Isn't that what AAA is for?

This was about twenty years ago.

I din't want to show my age.

Posted by: OldNancy

I've been an officer for a little over a year, I guess this is the criticism I get to look forward to for the next 30 years. I guess we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Posted by: PBiddy35

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Originally Posted by LA Copper

I can't believe the Fire Department would respond for a lockout. Isn't that what AAA is for?

Actually a couple years ago I was in Salem MA in what was called too bad of an area for AAA and Salem Fire helped me out with 2 trucks 8 guys no problem and that was near halloween too. Depends on the circumstance I guess.

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by LA Copper

I can't believe the Fire Department would respond for a lockout. Isn't that what AAA is for?

Ya but the state police were tied up that day

Posted by: Vader

Ouch

Posted by: LA Copper

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Originally Posted by PBiddy35

Definitely different from this side of the land. The Fire Department would laugh if someone asked them to respond for a car lockout. Out here AAA responds to even the worst neighborhoods... different world.

Posted by: SinePari

I'm going to do my part by conserving gas on the job. I will no longer chase "Code 22s of an erratic", check on a tire changer in a "bad spot", report to 123 Hillbilly Road for a 9-1-1 hang up, and commute to a barracks any further than a 10 mile radius from my house. As soon as we get a call for a crash, I will contact Mass Highway for message boards, EMS, and all insurance companies of the parties involved would send their investigators to the scene.

Thus freeing me up to do my required on-line academy on time, my citation audit sheets, 17 copies of crim-apps and reports that are overdue, troop monthly activity sheets, barracks monthly activity sheets, the new daily activity sheets, state highway activity sheets, return calls to probation officers, ADAs, shag calls for more "erratic operators", and maybe get a 45 minute workout in.

Posted by: dcs2244

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Originally Posted by LA Copper

I can't believe the Fire Department would respond for a lockout. Isn't that what AAA is for?

No, that's what the Asp is for. Bet they won't get locked out again!

Posted by: Deuce

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Originally Posted by LA Copper

I can't believe the Fire Department would respond for a lockout. Isn't that what AAA is for?

We don't do lockouts anymore due to lawsuits from the asshole citizens we helped. The heroes get the call for that. They love screaming down the road with their pretty lights and siren going. HEROES!!!!!!

Posted by: sh460

Here we go again....bashing another agency or profession!! I know many LEO's that came from fire departments and vice versa, who decided to change professions for different reasons. Different jobs, same agenda...."protect the public"!!
Some of you are saying the same shit that the damn reporter said in her report, just passing the buck to the firefighters. We all have a job to do and we all chose the profession(s) that we work in.
Very rare will you see or hear anyone who has worked in both professions, talking trash about one another.
Like it's been said before, no one likes the police because there the first people they see when they fucked up, but then call them when they need help..kind of hypocritical if i must say. LEO's have to enforce the law when someone f's up!!
Firefighters dont have to enforce anything but respond, possibly go into the burning building and search for the jackass that may have caused it to begin with!Remember Worcester?? The general public dont have a reason to hate firefighters. Remember the LA riots...firefighters were getting shot at with no protection whatsoever!!
Not picking sides, just a person who has worked both professions and putting in his $.02!!
Everyone be safe no matter what profession u choose!!

Posted by: Mongo

Ya but I wish we could sleep for 90% of our shift with our teddy bears,

Posted by: Deuce

Shouldn't you be on Firehouse.com or sleeping or something??

Posted by: thelastsamurai

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Originally Posted by 94c

on a side note, none of these people figured out they were being tailed?

I work with Lawrence PD.. I caught this on the paper, and I didn't know it ended up here... As you know, the media always tends to create some bogus story to get the public's attention, esp Channel 5. They have some type of grudge with the city of Lawrence to a freakin passion. Most of our officers that Channel 5 was tailgating were going to their details, sure... why not stop to a store and get something before punching into detail... am I right?

I know Jay Jackson and Chief Romero. And if they say that Jay's driving out of town doing personal business... it is police related. If they need gas to make the streets safe, they have no choice.. FBI stats prove that our city is low in crime since the Chief came aboard from NYPD..

This story by Janet Wu is totally b/s and a story like this to make a bad image against the city. F* her.

Posted by: Mongo

Chief Romero is a stand up guy and a Cop's Cop. Make no mistake about it. He is working under adverse conditons as well as the rest of his staff and they are performing above expectations.

The media performs in a way of prostitution for information.
Wich makes them information whores.

Posted by: andy0921

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Posted by: DoD102

I guess Ms. Wu didn't spend too much gas tailing these guys, right? WTF!! I say good for the chief of LPD. Bet his guys back him, take care of him if he's taking care of them. And also, the city council, or mayor, or whatever form of gov't they have, obviously don't have issues with it. So...who cares!

Posted by: DoD102

All the towns in our county do the same thing. Hell I've seen town cars as far away as Phillipston and even the Cape!

Posted by: Mongo

Mine's in my driveway.

Posted by: BSP268

The general public dont have a reason to hate firefighters. Remember the LA riots...firefighters were getting shot at with no protection whatsoever!!

ya so that makes both of us!!!!!

Posted by: LA Copper

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Originally Posted by BSP268

The general public dont have a reason to hate firefighters. Remember the LA riots...firefighters were getting shot at with no protection whatsoever!!

ya so that makes both of us!!!!!

Have to differ with you a bit here. I was there and know for sure that they were escorted all through the city by both LAPD and the CHP. Gotta give them credit though for responding during that "interesting" time with or without police escort.

Posted by: SOT

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Posted by: andy0921

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Hahaha, thats what one of the guys said to me today. I was on a stop and I knew we had dealing with this laddie before, so I sent him a message on chat and said come take a look at this laddie. When he got there he took a look at her, pulled up next to me and said c u next tuesday and drove off.

Posted by: Jeepy

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Originally Posted by Mongo

Not happy when we are around, not happy when we are not around.

We all know it's pretty much a thankless job.

I'm not a cop but my grandfather was a cop, and my father was an Assistant D.A. in Massachusetts so he taught us kids that you guys are definitely "The Good Guys."

PLEASE REST ASSURED THAT NOT EVERYONE HATES YOU GUYS! I happen to live a pretty dull (but very fun) life and I have no record at all. I have nothing to fear from you guys (so I'm perfectly happy when you're around) and when there's trouble I'm even MORE HAPPY that you're around.

I'm piping up in this thread to let you know that I THINK YOU ROCK, and I agree with you that this was a bullshit story that should have never been aired.

I don't know the rules and how things work, but my understanding is that you guys are pretty much "on duty" all the time -- in other words, if you see something going on (even when you're not working) you will take the appropriate action.

The reason I say this is that I remember an incident at a church in Colorado where an estranged husband went into a church service and gunned down his ex-wife. He shot her right in front of their children and the entire congregation during the Sunday morning service.

Luckily for everyone who was still alive, an off-duty City of Fort Collins Police officer named Mike Swihart was near the victim and he killed the killer.

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Man Kills Ex-Wife Outside Church
(Off-Duty Policeman Shoots Assailant Dead)

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Steve Lipsher and Jim Kirksey; Denver Post Staff
Writers DENVER POST
August 24, 1992; Page 1B
Article ID: DNVR115216 -- 602 words
FORT COLLINS - A church became a murder scene yesterday morning after a man followed his ex-wife there and killed her, then was slain in a shootout with an off-duty police officer.

The officer was critically wounded in the confrontation, but is expected to recover. Killed were John Vaughn Miller and his former wife, Valerie, both 38. The couple, married 17 years ago yesterday, had recently divorced, authorities said.

Police said Miller barged into the service at First Free Methodist Click for complete article ($2.95)

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As far as I know you guys are always on duty, and most of you wouldn't hesitate to jump in and save the day if you witnessed something in action, even on your day off.

I support the policy that lets you guys drive your cars at all time, and I think Channel 5 made a huge mistake when they ran this story. I just may write to them and tell them that, too.

Posted by: Mongo

Jeepy you are one of the few that remember and appreciate, thank you for the post.

Posted by: snapbox

My mother hosted a show on Channel 5 that ran from the late seventies until 91'. I told her about this and she didn't approve of it. She did tell me this, however: 5 runs these stories because they have A. Ratings in that area are low, or B. Channel 5 wasn't allowed to get access to something they wanted from that PD and decided to show them up. (This is happening more and more often... as you all know the media can swing something any which way they want and make it believeable) Buying a lottery ticket?? Give me a break... Every officer I know takes their break in the cruiser, unless they are headed back to the station. As someone earlier posted, what happens if they are required during their break, god forbid. I didn't have much respect for CH. 5 before hand, but now its non-existant.

Sorry to rant but I get so pissed off when people target the police for doing their job.

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