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Massasoit Community College cops shelved

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Posted by: csauce777

Massasoit Community College cops shelved
By Maureen Boyle, Enterprise staff writer BROCKTON — Two Massasoit Community College police officers were suspended without pay after authorities discovered two of the department's handguns were missing.
The officers, whose names were not released, were suspended as part of the ongoing state police investigation into the missing guns, said Richard Cronin, a spokesman for the college.
The weapons were discovered to be missing last month during a routine check, and the officers were later suspended, he said.
“The investigation has been ongoing,” Cronin said. “It is a formal state police investigation at this time.”
It was unclear when the state police investigation will be completed.
Cronin declined to discuss specifics of the probe or other issues involving the suspended officers.
“Our policy is not to discuss personnel issues,” he said.
The campus officers are given their arrest powers through the state police.
There are 17 members of the Massasoit Community College police department. That includes the chief, two sergeants, 10 full-time officers, two full-time dispatchers and two part-timers.



Posted by: dcs2244

I, for one, find it difficult to believe that there is anything untoward happening at this particular department...after all, who could throw stones at BHA cops (and other departments) if their own house was not in order? Yep, we know where "you" work, and your department has the same cadre of losers that all the other police departments have...I guess you folks will have to remove the sign above your station entrance that reads "...We are the epitome of perfection and all other police departments are inferior to us...".

Pardon the board, IW, as we gloat over the fact that your department is staffed by "fallible humans".

Gil, fix the spell check thingy...I'm sick of thumbing through the dictionary...



Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

Oh SNAP! Dat's some shi' right dere!

BTW, dcs... www.dictionary.com.



Posted by: Mitpo62

I surely hope no contributor to this board was involved in this mess. Of course there is always the "story behind the story."



Posted by: daveh

I get it!



Posted by: j809

Yeah, the story is , the College F*cked up, one guy will get millions after his day in court and the other one might too, but rest assured both will be back to work very very soon with lots of $$$.



Posted by: SinePari

Quote:
Originally Posted by j809
Yeah, the story is , the College F*cked up, one guy will get millions after his day in court and the other one might too, but rest assured both will be back to work very very soon with lots of $$$.
And the dept will no longer carry weapons...like the other CCs



Posted by: j809

Quote:
And the dept will no longer carry weapons...like the other CCs
Not really, the department kept their firearms when even more serious offenses happened involving some officers with firearms and nobody lost the guns. Those officers no longer work there, however this case is totally different. The only reason they are suspended is because they refused to take a lie detector test, so like I said they will win and they will have $$$ after all this. And they still have to pay $$$ to another officer very soon, that is now a municipal police chief. So boys and girls, the fees at MCC will go way up soon.

Quote:
Yep, we know where "you" work, and your department has the same cadre of losers that all the other police departments have...
DCS, these officers did absolutely nothing wrong, except refuse a lie detector test that their attorneys and union officials advised them to do. This was after an MSP LT's investigation was going nowhere and he was influenced and pressured by a liberal administration at the college to push for an attack on the police department. These two officers are the most squared away individuals and one is a Sergeant with over 32 years on, not losers like you so eloquently described.
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Posted by: Barbrady

I thought I remembered a rumor that they will have to pay out so much money, they decided to disband the Dept ..and that Brother's Security is taking over . Can any one confirm this? I'm just telling what I think I thought I heard.



Posted by: RPD931

Quote:
Originally Posted by j809
Not really, the department kept their firearms when even more serious offenses happened involving some officers with firearms and nobody lost the guns. Those officers no longer work there, however this case is totally different. The only reason they are suspended is because they refused to take a lie detector test, so like I said they will win and they will have $$$ after all this. And they still have to pay $$$ to another officer very soon, that is now a municipal police chief. So boys and girls, the fees at MCC will go way up soon.


DCS, these officers did absolutely nothing wrong, except refuse a lie detector test that their attorneys and union officials advised them to do. This was after an MSP LT's investigation was going nowhere and he was influenced and pressured by a liberal administration at the college to push for an attack on the police department. These two officers are the most squared away individuals and one is a Sergeant with over 32 years on, not losers like you so eloquently described.
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As soon as you mentioned lie detector test, I knew it was an MSP investigation. It's their "we have nothing, so let's try to dig up something" tool. The lawyers and union were right. It sounds like the MCC Officers will prevail



Posted by: mpd61

Quote:
Originally Posted by csauce777
Massasoit Community College cops shelved
By Maureen Boyle, Enterprise staff writer BROCKTON — Two Massasoit Community College police officers were suspended without pay after authorities discovered two of the department's handguns were missing.
The officers, whose names were not released, were suspended as part of the ongoing state police investigation into the missing guns, said Richard Cronin, a spokesman for the college.
The weapons were discovered to be missing last month during a routine check, and the officers were later suspended, he said.
“The investigation has been ongoing,” Cronin said. “It is a formal state police investigation at this time.”
It was unclear when the state police investigation will be completed.
Cronin declined to discuss specifics of the probe or other issues involving the suspended officers.
“Our policy is not to discuss personnel issues,” he said.
The campus officers are given their arrest powers through the state police.
There are 17 members of the Massasoit Community College police department. That includes the chief, two sergeants, 10 full-time officers, two full-time dispatchers and two part-timers.
The above portion of the article is the ONLY accurate part of the entire piece..........
The rest is inaccurate and misleading.......

The Massasoit Police Dept. is under attack from both inside and outside the agency. The State Police are being utilized as a mechanism by the administration. Objectivity and comprehensiveness are key factors in any successful investigation. One can only hope the Trustees will agree............



Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Quote:
Originally Posted by dcs2244
I, for one, find it difficult to believe that there is anything untoward happening at this particular department...after all, who could throw stones at BHA cops (and other departments) if their own house was not in order? Yep, we know where "you" work, and your department has the same cadre of losers that all the other police departments have...I guess you folks will have to remove the sign above your station entrance that reads "...We are the epitome of perfection and all other police departments are inferior to us...".

Pardon the board, IW, as we gloat over the fact that your department is staffed by "fallible humans".

Gil, fix the spell check thingy...I'm sick of thumbing through the dictionary...

Hey DCS2244,
If this is addressed to me, have the balls to directed it to me you old crusty ass



Posted by: dcs2244

Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish Wampanoag
Hey DCS2244,
If this is addressed to me, have the balls to directed it to me you old crusty ass
The post was directed at you. But I reckoned you were intelligent enough to deduce that on your own, as the post was pregnant with clues to that end. mpd61 can explain further...and I will be available at the meet-and-greet in Marlboro should you require an in person discussion.

I apologize if I overestimated your intelligence...you ungrateful pup.



Posted by: RPD931

Quote:
Originally Posted by dcs2244
The post was directed at you. But I reckoned you were intelligent enough to deduce that on your own, as the post was pregnant with clues to that end. mpd61 can explain further...and I will be available at the meet-and-greet in Marlboro should you require an in person discussion.

I apologize if I overestimated your intelligence...you ungrateful pup.
Gil, how about a couple of detail Officers at the meet and greet to keep the peace? j/k



Posted by: j809

And here is an update. MSP screwed up the investigation, charged a MCCPD Sergeant with larceny of a firearm (how the hell you got larceny when the elements aren't there puzzles me). So after this poor innocent Sergeant gets charged criminally, gets arraigned, ruined his life and reputation of 32+ years on the job, placed on suspension without pay with three kids to feed, the MSP decides NOW to do an inventory on the firearms. They found out that this STOLEN firearm that they said was stolen by this Sergeant, was not stolen after all, but ISSUED to another officer who is working the night shift. So the gun was being carried by one of the officers after it was re-issued by the Chief to this officer over 3 years ago. Charges are dismissed but the civil suit is coming as early as next week, can you blame him. Hello, how about an inventory at the beginning of the investigation.



Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Shoot!!! that "BLUMING" investigation!!!!!! Pun intended. That what happens when you let politics dictate your police work.



Posted by: bigguy78

more to come .................................................. ................



Posted by: mpd61

Mitpo and RPD931.....
Thanks for the understanding and objectivity. Monday should bring some real interesting developments!




Posted by: HousingCop

I didn't think lie detector tests were admissable in Massachusetts in an investigation. I definately side with the two cops on this one. No way should they have to take a lie detector test to prove their innocense. They are being scapegoated. I hope that the 32 year veteran gets his day in Civil Court and wins so much money that they have to name the school after him.

As for others on this board (and DCS2244 was right on the money) who never-endingly throw other cops to the wolves and under the bus because of a percieved mishap, I hope you have learned your lesson. Things aren't always as they seem. Especially when you scratch the surface and go a bit deeper, the real truth emerges.

Seems like an MSP Lieutenant should have known better than to jump in head first without doing his homework and at least a basic inventory on all F/A's issued. A very unwise (and costly) mistake on his part.

Now if only some of the people on here (and you know who u be) would stop bootlicking the very people who investigate them and tried to grind them into dogmeat. Then you'd know who your real friends are in LE. Nuff' said. HC



Posted by: Macop

Well said housing cop.



Posted by: mpd61

Could somebody be helpful and move this thread to "university and campus police"where it really belongs now?

Thanks!



Posted by: j809

Hey Woody, is that Barbara Eden from I dream of Jeannie with that big gun.



Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by j809
Hello, how about an inventory at the beginning of the investigation.
Good point, but also how about some better record-keeping by the department? Did they honestly not know which weapons were assigned to which officers?

I have to agree with SinePari, this will be used as justification to take the guns away. From what I've read here, the college admin didn't want them to begin with.



Posted by: SPO123

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
Good point, but also how about some better record-keeping by the department? Did they honestly not know which weapons were assigned to which officers?

I have to agree with SinePari, this will be used as justification to take the guns away. From what I've read here, the college admin didn't want them to begin with.
Am I missing something...its not a 300+ officer department is it?? "Umm Chief, there is 15 of us and we only have 15 weapons, I think maybe one is missing?" Wait..wait...I got it...the brother on third shift had it as his backup weapon...damn I'm a genius



Posted by: mpd61

Can we PLEASE get a moderator to move this to University and campus police? thread where it belongs?




Posted by: j809

Quote:
I have to agree with SinePari, this will be used as justification to take the guns away. From what I've read here, the college admin didn't want them to begin with.
The former college president, vice-president and the trustees of the college voted to arm the police department, so they wanted the PD armed. The problem stems from the current Chief , but here are some facts in regards to this case.
1. The Chief of Police at MCCPD lost the weapons, poor accountability and record keeping.
2. The investigative agency, in this particular case the MSP, screwed the pooch and jumped the gun to charge someone criminally because of PRESSURES from certain administrators.
3. A man's life was ruined and now this witch hunt is still going on.



Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd61
Can we PLEASE get a moderator to move this to University and campus police? thread where it belongs?
Moved.



Posted by: mpd61

Thanks to the honorable lady moderator for granting my request! It does not look good here. The trustees maybe spoon fed misinformation, and one or two administrators are looking to dismantle the Police department.

Stay tuned for the what may make "jericho" look like a kid's show.



Posted by: new guy

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd61
Thanks to the honorable lady moderator for granting my request! It does not look good here. The trustees maybe spoon fed misinformation, and one or two administrators are looking to dismantle the Police department.

Stay tuned for the what may make "jericho" look like a kid's show.

Good luck to you and the MCCPD crew. Hope things eventually work out for you guys.



Posted by: mpd61

Quote:
Originally Posted by new guy
Good luck to you and the MCCPD crew. Hope things eventually work out for you guys.
Unfortunately it going to take more than luck of any sort. There is a concerted joint effort to dismantle the police program here. AFSCME is invisible; State and Community colleges WAKE UP!!!!Stay tuned.................




Posted by: mtc

Maybe MPD can answer this one...
Is'nt this the same administrator that canned the financial dept head for reporting discrepancies ???

Or some such story? Questionable spending? Only to have the board reinstate him?

Might there have been, or should there be, an invest into this administrator?



Posted by: SPO123

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd61
Unfortunately it going to take more than luck of any sort. There is a concerted joint effort to dismantle the police program here. AFSCME is invisible; State and Community colleges WAKE UP!!!!Stay tuned.................
Sad. You work hard to build a good department and look what happens. I heard thru the grapevine a similar situation may occur at Mount Wachusett CC. The president met with a security company for proposals after they canned their former Chief for sexual assault last year. It's ironic...they knew what he was doing, covered it and then backpeddled after the victim went to MSP and they charged him...then they claim "ohh we didn't find anything wrong...hey let's get rid of these 'police officers' and just hire some clowns. Administrators conducting "investigations" ohh my lord. State Campus Police ought to fall under the control of the State Police so they can say "screw you" to the administration...hey there's a thought...civil service test for state campus PD's...I'm a genius....



Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Quote:
Originally Posted by j809
The former college president, vice-president and the trustees of the college voted to arm the police department, so they wanted the PD armed. The problem stems from the current Chief , but here are some facts in regards to this case.
1. The Chief of Police at MCCPD lost the weapons, poor accountability and record keeping.
2. The investigative agency, in this particular case the MSP, screwed the pooch and jumped the gun to charge someone criminally because of PRESSURES from certain administrators.
3. A man's life was ruined and now this witch hunt is still going on.

Jimmy I get first dibbs on the East Bridgwater Cottage!!! for next summer when everything is over.



Posted by: j809

LMFAO, come on now, who's getting the Harley?



Posted by: mpd61

Update:
Charges dismissed a month ago......apologies given to the Sgt. from the MSP investigators

School still has not answered MPA attorneys' demands for the suspended officers to return to work with back pay...................

GO MCLEA
JOIN THE MPA Legal Defense Fund



Posted by: Mitpo62

Good for those officers! Justice prevails!



Posted by: HousingCop

Apology? Apology? That's it? Just an "Awe shucks Sergeant, through my own ineptitude and lack of investigatory skills, I put you and your family through Hell for a few months. But I'm real sorry......"
Ahhhh, no. If I were this Sergeant, I'd do my best Cuba Gooding Jr. immitation from Jerry Maguire..... Show me the MONEY!!!
The college & the MSPee should sit down immediately and bust out the checkbook and start asking the following questions.....
1) How many zero's would you like on this check, sir?
2) Bars or stars there, CHIEF?
3) We have an unnamed building here on campus. Care to have it dedicated in your honor?
4) You get that nice reserved spot, right out in front. Cream with 2 sugars, right?



Posted by: Buford T

Right on Housingcop, nothing gets administrators attention better than a subpoena delivered at dinnertime to their houses, tack on the zeroes to the check.



Posted by: KSB

There will be no apology. Would you for doing your job?



Posted by: HousingCop

KSB,
Could you clarify your statement for us? Who will or will not or didn't issue an apology? Your vague post doesn't help us much.

We generally do not issue apologies for doing our job but with such gross incompitence / negligence / malfeasance displayed so far, do you think those words would cross my lips? Absolutely.

For instance, we once did a bringback of a potential armed robbery suspect to be identified by the victim. Both suspects were dressed almost identical except for the fact that the actual suspect grinned and displayed a couple gold capped front toofas while doing the robbery. My guy had no bling in his mouth so he was let go. I felt bad for what he had gone through and felt like buying him lunch for his troubles. I explained what had happened and said I was sorry. He understood and could see the dilema we were put in and graciously accepted my apology.

The first thing that should have been done was an inventory of all F/A's within the department. Even a rookie knows you've got to start somewhere. This would be the most logical jumping off point but was it done? Nope. You'd think a Chief and MSP Lieutenant would have enough sense to do this before the witch hunt began.

The original article states two officers were in this. All I have heard about is one. Can anybody shed some further light on the subject?



Posted by: j809

The other officer was never charged but suspended for refusing to take a lie detector test. This officer had all the records stolen from his locker, the Chief said he never took them but now the Chief miraculously found them in his office, so this officer did cooeprate fully. Lots of union involvement and attorneys from MPA Legal Defense(best protection for $$$), so he has to be reinstated soon. Of course majro lawsuits will follow for both officers.



Posted by: Mitpo62

The pen is truly mightier than the sword. CHA-CHING!



Posted by: mpd61

Quote:
Originally Posted by KSB
There will be no apology. Would you for doing your job?
Sorry pal, try again. the apology was given @ Framingham HQ, second floor conference room on October 3rd late afternoon. Captain Brady impressed me as a fair and objective man.




Posted by: blacknblue

Wasn't this whole thing started by poor record keeping? Who was the firearms instr. / department armor? Was it one of the 2 involved? If it was , they need a lesson in CYA.



Posted by: Dpd333

I know nobody involved in this matter, so no axes to grind.In my opinion there won't be any huge payout. If the admin. thought guns were missing and launched an investigation and the MSP ended up charging someone , that doesn't seem exactly reckless. If every time someone had charges dismissed or was found not guilty got a gigantic settlement no agency would ever charge someone. Anyone hear of that RI cop charged/convicted of murder (did several years only to be found completely innocent of murder later on) That poor prick isn't getting hundreds of millions.Sure these guys might get a few bucks and back pay, but not millions. $100,000 cap in Ma. municipalities in most circumstances. You can prevail Federally and get a judgement of one dollar. I feel bad for people involved, but I'd advise them to still play Megabucks every week.



Posted by: Macop

I think you are wrong, the purpose of the investigaion on the part of the admin may be ok. But the problem is the negligence in the carrying out of the inv is the problem and the damage it causes those effected, the damages of emotional distress and such will be the cash cow.



Posted by: mpd61

Quote:
Originally Posted by Macop
I think you are wrong, the purpose of the investigaion on the part of the admin may be ok. But the problem is the negligence in the carrying out of the inv is the problem and the damage it causes those effected, the damages of emotional distress and such will be the cash cow.
Aaron,

You are right again......
The MSP moved at light speed to dismiss the charges. Add to that the apologies and handshake at Framingham and it's pretty clear who has suffered damages to his livelihood and reputation.

As for the school......They NEVER conducted any investigation. They relied SOLEY on the actions/recommendations of the MSP, and we know where that led. The fact remains that the MPA and AFSCME attorneys have demanded that the suspended oficers return to work. The school refuses to even answer. As time goes on, the $$$ counter just keeps ticking.



Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

A birdie told me that those same administrators maybe charged with obstruction of justice charges in a seperate case that happen here in the last week. Humm lets all wait and see.



Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd61
Aaron,

You are right again......
The MSP moved at light speed to dismiss the charges. Add to that the apologies and handshake at Framingham and it's pretty clear who has suffered damages to his livelihood and reputation.
It's obvious someone may have moved at the speed of light to bring charges in the first place. Either a half-assed investigation was conducted or someone was duped.
Messing with someone's career like this should not be taken lightly.

There were guys right at the start of this thread saying this was going nowhere.

What say the MSP?



Posted by: Dpd333

I hope I'm wrong but still feel they won't get any real big bucks. I was a Union Prez.for approx. 10 yrs and huge payouts are few and far between." Emotional distress" doesn't exactly assure a big payout.If guys were on paid admin. leave they'll likely get even less cuz didn't really experience a financial loss. If MSP moved quickly to dismiss charges that bodes well for MSP, not the officers that were charged.Police are immune from "false arrest/prosecution" as long as probable cause has been met.

As a police officer you get lied to all the time. A victim in a 209A begs you to arrest a abusive partner and then weeks later tells the Judge nothing happened. Why can't the arrested party sue you for "distress and character assassination" cuz you had p.c..



Posted by: Macop

Not even close to being the same!



Posted by: 48Weeks

Did the missing guns ever show up?????



Posted by: j809

Yes,the night shift officer was wearing it.





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