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Posted by: graveyardsleeper

Heard a rumor today of another class starting October 23. Anyone get a letter?



Posted by: extraining guy

I hope so. Many in my department waiting to get letters. I hope they are all accepted. Good luck to all if this is true.



Posted by: Curious EMT

No funding approved, = no class



Posted by: Tango

Quote:
Originally Posted by Curious EMT
No funding approved, = no class

Word on the job is no class scheduled or being talked about .



Posted by: Q5POS

aint happening...



Posted by: tazoez

You can thank the Big Dig (or as I call it - Big Waste of Money) for it.



Posted by: dcs2244

No money. The funding has been diverted to the family of the women killed at Ted Williams "a$$hole". And rightly so.



Posted by: PCI

Does that mean that there's also no money for another exam ?



Posted by: tazoez

Quote:
Originally Posted by PCI
Does that mean that there's also no money for another exam ?
Yea, your in the same boat as a lot of us -- best advice, try to get on local for now, or state police close by and keep eye out for exam. There probably wont be an exam for quite a while.



Posted by: PCI

I am a local --- Got a 95 on the last SP exam and was on the bubble for the 79th until they found that pile of deferments...I am hoping if they don't fund the 80th this year that they hold off on another exam.... What ever happens good luck to all in either situation.



Posted by: USMCTrooper

I was at the SPA yesterday.

Word there is: no $, no class, no exam.

Some of you people might want to exhale now.....



Posted by: Hartmn

As of Mid July there was no money appropriated for a class in 2007, and it implied they did not expect that situation to change.. but stranger things have happened...



Posted by: Killjoy

I wouldn't hold out much hope for this year, last word is that it was a no-go......thank the Big Dig.



Posted by: graveyardsleeper

A friend of mine got their letter the other day. Class starts Oct 23. Supposedly a maintainance class after the screw up with the 79th. Anyone else going?



Posted by: j809

Yeah right!!



Posted by: Curious EMT

Quote:
Originally Posted by graveyardsleeper
A friend of mine got their letter the other day. Class starts Oct 23. Supposedly a maintainance class after the screw up with the 79th. Anyone else going?
Liar



Posted by: graveyardsleeper

I'll expect an apology in October



Posted by: Tackleberry22

I know this may seem a little off the mark, but does the $0 funds also effect the SSPO academies as well?



Posted by: Killjoy

No....they're paid for by their home agencies.



Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

What's a "maintenance class?"



Posted by: Killjoy

A small class put through with the intention of only filling out the vacancies caused by Troopers retiring, and not to boost the size of the department. The Connecticut SP does a couple of small (25-35) classes each year rather than huge 130+ recruit classes. It has been hoped by many in the MSP to do small (70-80) recruit classes annually rather than a slew of huge classes and then no recruit classes for years. Not only would it insure a constant supply of new Troopers, it would simplify many of the logistical nightmares at the SPA.



Posted by: potatochip

Quote:
Originally Posted by graveyardsleeper
A friend of mine got their letter the other day. Class starts Oct 23. Supposedly a maintainance class after the screw up with the 79th. Anyone else going?
Well, since I was also in that group and didn't "get a letter" I'll be calling bullshit on this also.



Posted by: Cadet101

Quote:
Originally Posted by potatochip
Well, since I was also in that group and didn't "get a letter" I'll be calling bullshit on this also.
No letter here as well



Posted by: Curious EMT

I know not ONE but TWO people that were on the "standby" list for the 79th

As of today's mail, no letters...


Liar



Posted by: Massguy

Ya, I was a backfill for the 79th and I am pretty sure that if they do any type of RTT I will be there...and I def. did not get any letter



Posted by: USMCTrooper

Not only is it bullsh#t, its major bullsh#t. There have been no letters sent, no backgrounds done or redone as of Friday August 11th and never, ever ever in the history of the SPA has an MSP recruit class started 30 days after a previous class graduates.
79th RTT graduates Sept 22. Then 80th then begins Oct 23???

Check the letter again for the fine print that says "Made in China by the FuK Yoo Novelty Co."



Posted by: Sgt. Canseco

Quote:
Originally Posted by graveyardsleeper
A friend of mine got their letter the other day. Class starts Oct 23. Supposedly a maintainance class after the screw up with the 79th. Anyone else going?




Posted by: tazoez

Quote:
Originally Posted by USMCTrooper
Not only is it bullsh#t, its major bullsh#t. There have been no letters sent, no backgrounds done or redone as of Friday August 11th and never, ever ever in the history of the SPA has an MSP recruit class started 30 days after a previous class graduates.
79th RTT graduates Sept 22. Then 80th then begins Oct 23???

Check the letter again for the fine print that says "Made in China by the FuK Yoo Novelty Co."
Hey, I know that company. A lot of people in this state as well as CT have that stamped on the back of their driver license.



Posted by: tigerwoody

Has anybody seeeen myyy baaaseball?



Posted by: Massguy

So no class I guess...and I guess the only hope is in the Suppelmental budget.......also I have a question...I was on the backfill list for the 79thRTT and did not get in. Now, if the State decides to hold another test do I start of from square on again and hope to god I score well?



Posted by: j809

Yes



Posted by: NH Fire

Through this executive summary, the Senate Committee on Ways and Means provides highlights of its fiscal year 2007 budget recommendations which focus on building a better future for the Commonwealth.



Public Safety

Providing resources for law enforcement and public safety is an essential component in improving the quality of life for the Commonwealth’s residents. The Committee’s commitment to investing in public safety continues in fiscal year 2007. By distributing additional funds to the Massachusetts State Police, our 11 district attorneys’ offices, our 14 state and county sheriffs and both the State Police Crime Lab and the Chief Medical Examiner’s Office, this Committee takes a strong stance against the disturbing rise in violence the Commonwealth is experiencing.

Massachusetts State Police

To complete the Commonwealth’s three year strategic plan to maximize troop strength, the recommendations include $1.2 million in funding for a new State Police maintenance class. Knowing that gang violence is a growing concern, the Committee has also included $1.05 million to combat this serious problem in some of our neediest communities.



Posted by: tazoez

Quote:
Originally Posted by NH Fire
Through this executive summary, the Senate Committee on Ways and Means provides highlights of its fiscal year 2007 budget recommendations which focus on building a better future for the Commonwealth.




Public Safety


Providing resources for law enforcement and public safety is an essential component in improving the quality of life for the Commonwealth’s residents. The Committee’s commitment to investing in public safety continues in fiscal year 2007. By distributing additional funds to the Massachusetts State Police, our 11 district attorneys’ offices, our 14 state and county sheriffs and both the State Police Crime Lab and the Chief Medical Examiner’s Office, this Committee takes a strong stance against the disturbing rise in violence the Commonwealth is experiencing.

Massachusetts State Police

To complete the Commonwealth’s three year strategic plan to maximize troop strength, the recommendations include $1.2 million in funding for a new State Police maintenance class. Knowing that gang violence is a growing concern, the Committee has also included $1.05 million to combat this serious problem in some of our neediest communities.
Hmmm..... interesting.
I thought that 8100-0515 was discontinued according to Romney's budget.



Posted by: NH Fire

8100-0515 For the training and related costs of a state police troop maintenance class; provided, that the maintenance class size shall not exceed the number of state troopers who have retired in the previous fiscal year; and provided further that the department shall submit a report no later than February 1, 2007 to the joint committee on public safety and the house and senate committees on ways and means describingLa) the number of state troopers who retired in the preceding fiscal year and the number of years in which those retirees have served; (b) the number of retirements anticipated during the current fiscal year and the number of years in which those retirees have served; (c) the number of candidates who entered the class funded in this item; (d) the number of candidates who completed training at the state police academy; and (e) the anticipated impact on the state police overtime in both the current and subsequent fiscal years………$1,241,283

http://www.masscops.com/forums/newre...ote=1&p=116214

http://www.mass.gov/legis/07budget/senate/execsum.htm



Posted by: 94c

I'm in the middle of a lateral from a city PD to the MSP any one else going?

(that's the rumor I'm hearing but I haven't confirmed it yet)



Posted by: evanbr33

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94c
I'm in the middle of a lateral from a city PD to the MSP any one else going?

(that's the rumor I'm hearing but I haven't confirmed it yet)
Sadly for you and thankfully for us already on the MSP, there is no such thing as a 'lateral transfer' into the Massachusetts State Police...If you want to become a Trooper, you go through the Academy just like everyone else...Doesn't matter if you've been a PO for the past 10 years or fresh out of college...Complete the rigorous training for 6 months, and you'll be welcomed to the ranks...Until then, standby to standby.



Posted by: SPO123

Quote:
Originally Posted by evanbr33
Sadly for you and thankfully for us already on the MSP, there is no such thing as a 'lateral transfer' into the Massachusetts State Police...If you want to become a Trooper, you go through the Academy just like everyone else...Doesn't matter if you've been a PO for the past 10 years or fresh out of college...Complete the rigorous training for 6 months, and you'll be welcomed to the ranks...Until then, standby to standby.
Damn..I was hoping to do a lateral from Mall Guard to MSP...shoot



Posted by: MallPolice

No kidding maybe they'll be another merger?!



Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by evanbr33
Sadly for you and thankfully for us already on the MSP, there is no such thing as a 'lateral transfer' into the Massachusetts State Police...If you want to become a Trooper, you go through the Academy just like everyone else...Doesn't matter if you've been a PO for the past 10 years or fresh out of college...Complete the rigorous training for 6 months, and you'll be welcomed to the ranks...Until then, standby to standby.
I was being sarcastic. And no thanks, I never had the desire to be a trooper.
Never impressed me.



Posted by: nirtallica

Yeah right!



Posted by: tazoez

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94c
I was being sarcastic. And no thanks, I never had the desire to be a trooper.
Never impressed me.
Im not being a wiseass here or being snotty but thank you. At least you know that you don't want to do it before hand unlike others who get all the way up to week 1 - 4 and "decide" that "this is not for me" and quit. It takes possible positions away from those who would want to go through it and not quit.



Posted by: j809

They quit even in week 4. Wow



Posted by: tazoez

Quote:
Originally Posted by j809
They quit even in week 4. Wow
LOL, I was just using weeks as a point. I'm sure that there are some who have quit even further into it -- not counting for medical. I'll never knock a person who had to resign -- notice I didn't say quit -- because they were giving it their all and got injured.



Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by nirtallica
Yeah right!
This may come as a shock to you, but there are some of us that enjoy working with the Ma. Gen. Laws that go past ninety.



Posted by: Curious EMT

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94c
This may come as a shock to you, but there are some of us that enjoy working with the Ma. Gen. Laws that go past ninety.
No shit... Its a little sickening when the same half-dozen troopers seek out any post where the MSP looks bad, which is a direct result of their fellow employees, you know, felllow graduates of such a world-renound academy, and drop the "burned by a trooper"? "didnt pass the bg investigation?" "score better next time" lines... .

Some people aspire for more than being part of an organization of section 12'ers and boy-fuckers.



Posted by: j809

Quote:
Some people aspire for more than being part of an organization of section 12'ers and boy-fuckers.
Wow, hey, easy there, come on, let's relax.



Posted by: futureMSP

Hey Curious, I think you need to relax a little bit. You are taking jabs at people that you may not even know. If I am not mistaken, in this thread, the posts were between 94c and nirtallica, not you. I think you need to just stay out of it, none of us need or want to read your foolish posts. Stop seeking out these posts you speak of and ignore them. Any department you look at will have people that make some horrible choices, every department has at least one. I realize now you are going to bash my username, futuremsp, so I will save the time and defend myself now. I chose that username prior to being hired in the department I am at, despite the name I do not currently have any desire to return to MA. I got the letter and sent it back to MSP. I am not defending MSP because I want to be a MA Trooper, so don't bother.



Posted by: SinePari

Quote:
Originally Posted by Curious EMT
Some people aspire for more than being part of an organization of section 12'ers and boy-fuckers.
Yeah, cause the MSP is ONLY dept with bad apples. Fuckhead.



Posted by: Tango

Quote:
Originally Posted by Curious EMT
No shit... Its a little sickening when the same half-dozen troopers seek out any post where the MSP looks bad, which is a direct result of their fellow employees, you know, felllow graduates of such a world-renound academy, and drop the "burned by a trooper"? "didnt pass the bg investigation?" "score better next time" lines... .

Whats the matter Curious, got burned by a Trooper and didnt pass the BG invest? Score better next time!!

Some people aspire for more than being part of an organization of section 12'ers and boy-fuckers.
Your a dick.....



Posted by: nevrehc

I love how people can puff up their chest and feel like a somebody on a web page. Be a real man or woman and meet face to face to discuss your disdain in person. True meaning and feeling can be lost in the translation with typing. I'll be the ref at the meeting.



Posted by: Mongo

Quote:
Originally Posted by nevrehc
I love how people can puff up their chest and feel like a somebody on a web page. Be a real man or woman and meet face to face to discuss your disdain in person. True meaning and feeling can be lost in the translation with typing. I'll be the ref at the meeting.
Your wasting your time neither of them know what disdain means,



Posted by: 94c

I agree that Curious went a little overboard with that one.

But I find it quite comical that there are troopers on this site that feels everyone wants to be like them. I've been around long enough to meet that type and am not impressed at all. On the other hand, I have many friends and acquaintances on the MSP. For those of you with the swollen heads keep on thinking how great you are.

For the rest, be proud of your chosen profession.



Posted by: SinePari

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94c
I agree that Curious went a little overboard with that one.

But I find it quite comical that there are troopers on this site that feels everyone wants to be like them. I've been around long enough to meet that type and am not impressed at all. On the other hand, I have many friends and acquaintances on the MSP. For those of you with the swollen heads keep on thinking how great you are.

For the rest, be proud of your chosen profession.
Well said, but I betchya he took the last MSP exam, despite the hostility he showed in that post, and will now probably deny it.



Posted by: Wolfman

Cut the guy a break - maybe he he just had some trouble with defensive tactics class...





Posted by: Massguy

ok, for those who are fighting on this page please take the fight eleswhere...cause this room is for info about another class...and when somone like myself who was a backfill for the 79th see's that people where on this page only to read that it has nothing to do with info on another class it sucks....so if you have info if there is going to be a 80th RTT please put it down...also was that the newest budget request



Posted by: Curious EMT

If you searched, you'de find that I have stated before I took the exam.

That was back in the day when I knew nothing other than the beautiful uniforms and what I experienced at the SPA in the student trooper program. I scored a 90. Although I was told multiple times by many, including some active and retired troopers, that it was a decent scored, especialy considering it was my first LE test, and that a little practice will bring that up to an elegible score for the next test. The next test? BUT NO, at that point, I wanted to be a trooper, and i was sick to my stomach that I'd have to wait until the next time around to get it.

Since then I have had the opertunity to learn a lot more about the department, and experience a lot of the members, to decide it certainly isnt what I want for a job in LE. ITS NOT WHAT I WANT! That very thought has been the basis of attack towards me from some of the resident troopers, hense my return hostility. "HE DOESNT WANT THIS UNIFORM? OH, MUST BE A 1-LEGGED WIFE BEATING FELLON! 'SCORE BETTER NEXT TIME BOY' 'PFFF MUST HAVE GOTTEN A TICKET ONCE FROM A TROOPER SUCKER!' "

Troopers here are happy to degrade anyone that isnt one of them, but when an outsider attacks them, its another story?



Posted by: TypeX

You didn't attack a trooper or a couple of troopers... you generalized. You basically said that every trooper is exactly the same as those fuckups O'Hare and whatever the others' name are... Who wants to be associated with those losers? As if no other department has bad people. 99% go in, put in a hard days work and go home just like anyone else. You are basing your argument on a couple of people you've heard about and applying it to 2,000 you dont know.



Posted by: SinePari

Quote:
Originally Posted by Curious EMT
If you searched, you'de find that I have stated before I took the exam.

That was back in the day when I knew nothing other than the beautiful uniforms and what I experienced at the SPA in the student trooper program. I scored a 90. Although I was told multiple times by many, including some active and retired troopers, that it was a decent scored, especialy considering it was my first LE test, and that a little practice will bring that up to an elegible score for the next test. The next test? BUT NO, at that point, I wanted to be a trooper, and i was sick to my stomach that I'd have to wait until the next time around to get it.

Since then I have had the opertunity to learn a lot more about the department, and experience a lot of the members, to decide it certainly isnt what I want for a job in LE. ITS NOT WHAT I WANT! That very thought has been the basis of attack towards me from some of the resident troopers, hense my return hostility. "HE DOESNT WANT THIS UNIFORM? OH, MUST BE A 1-LEGGED WIFE BEATING FELLON! 'SCORE BETTER NEXT TIME BOY' 'PFFF MUST HAVE GOTTEN A TICKET ONCE FROM A TROOPER SUCKER!' "

Troopers here are happy to degrade anyone that isnt one of them, but when an outsider attacks them, its another story?
I hope that's not your A-game. The job is just like the military. You get out of it what you put into it. Out of 2400 or so sworn members, a few knuckleheads will be there...no way around it.

If you want to be a miserable, grumpy, salty prick, you can be that. If want to hustle and try to be a super trooper, the sky's the limit kid. I apologize if a few derogatory comments turned you off. It's just for training purposes only...you may see that stuff out it the field some day!



Posted by: NH Fire

I originally posted the data I collected to see if anyone had any imput on whether the intel was good intel or crap. Anyone that has an idea of what the real deal is with the current budget for another class or maintenance class feel free to give us who are patiently waiting some hope.



Posted by: SinePari

Quote:
Originally Posted by NH Fire
I originally posted the data I collected to see if anyone had any imput on whether the intel was good intel or crap. Anyone that has an idea of what the real deal is with the current budget for another class or maintenance class feel free to give us who are patiently waiting some hope.
The answer is given on the first page of this thread...before it spiralled out of control.



Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by Massguy
ok, for those who are fighting on this page please take the fight eleswhere...cause this room is for info about another class...and when somone like myself who was a backfill for the 79th see's that people where on this page only to read that it has nothing to do with info on another class it sucks....so if you have info if there is going to be a 80th RTT please put it down...also was that the newest budget request
There is 100 million dollars for a class of people who at post #55 still don't get it.



Posted by: tazoez

Look, as far as anyone knows 100% -- as of right this moment ( 9-08-06, 2:26am and drunk as a skunk ) there is no 80th RTT planned. Can this change? Yes.
Does anyone have 100% confirmation, as far as my sources state, NO - No funding and no $$ to do the class.



Posted by: Curious EMT

Would this money HAVE to be used by July 1, or would could they "bank" it to run a new test and start with high scores again.



Posted by: nirtallica

Why do you even care?If you have no intrest, then just mind your buisness, or do you like stirring shit?





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