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Main Page Question about Traffic Details
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Posted by: KML161

Does any one know of any departments that allow there Firefighters to do traffic details. I was informed there were a few out there, specifically on the North Shore.

Posted by: firefighter39

I think Somerville did in the past. There a quiet a few full-time firefighters that are specials or reserves that do details too.

Posted by: csauce777

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Originally Posted by KML161

Does any one know of any departments that allow there Firefighters to do traffic details. I was informed there were a few out there, specifically on the North Shore.

I've never heard, nor seen any police departments that allow firefighters to do details. The only way that is possible is if the FF is also an employee of the PD. Then he's not doing the detail as a FF but as a PO.

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by KML161

Does any one know of any departments that allow there Firefighters to do traffic details. I was informed there were a few out there, specifically on the North Shore.

when the circus comes to town is the only time I see firefighters doing details.

Posted by: frank

In my R/I class there were several firefighters...I believe some of them were there so they could do details as reserve or special PO's.

Posted by: j809

Firefighters should stick to their duties and should not be allowed to do details. If we allow any tom, Dick and Harry to do details, then we lose the legitimacy of needing police officers to do details because it is then perceived that anyone can do them.

Posted by: lokiluvr

When we are short handed at a fire sene, some of the over abundance of fire fighters will lend a hand directing traffic. We have 5x the amount of fire fighters as we do PD.

Posted by: bluesamurai22

Burlington has a handfull of firefighters who are also specials. If they don't have p/t academy, annual police in-service, Spring and Fall qualification and a few other things they get bounced from the detail list.

If I remember correctly firefighters can stop traffic around fire equipment but I can't remember what the remedy is if you ignore them. Maybe hindering a firefighter?

They lack ch-90 power so I don't see how they can legally stop traffic. You might as well have flagmen.

We do have traffic matrons that work roadjobs here. I don' t know how this happened in the first place but now it seems we are stuck with an old tradition.

Posted by: jsc06

i know a ff on the south shore who did details, the catch is in order to do them you'd have to be a special officer.

Posted by: chibby

Only time I have ever seen a firefighter on a detail is at the schools when there is a function like a play or basketball game...some indoor event with a large number of people. Firefighters don't get road details in Southeastern MA or anything like that if they are solely employed as a firefighter, which is where I believe the question was directed.

Posted by: T4567

About 3 yrs ago I was a special in Andover and they had the firefighters do details. There was a major sewer project going on. I am not sure if it was a temporary thing. all the cops were asked first then specials and finally the fireman.

Posted by: mpdcam

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Originally Posted by T4567

About 3 yrs ago I was a special in Andover and they had the firefighters do details. There was a major sewer project going on. I am not sure if it was a temporary thing. all the cops were asked first then specials and finally the fireman.

And I heard that the firefighters got to do the details before the Merrimac College POLICE did.

Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

Firefighters do details all the time for events, concerts, etc. I have never seen a firefighter working a TRAFFIC detail.

Posted by: Curious EMT

I know of two communities in Worcester county that use firefighters, after they've exhausted all the neighboring departments, active reserve officers, etc.

They're sworn as special officers, thats where they get the power to do the detail and control the road, at that point they're not acting as firefighters, but members of the police department.

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by firefighter39

I think Somerville did in the past. There a quiet a few full-time firefighters that are specials or reserves that do details too.

I think firefighters should figure out what kind of work they want to get into.

But then again, Why not cross-train police officers for firefighting duties since we are the first ones on the scene anyway. That way we could lay off the assholes who don't think twice about doing our jobs.

We could probably hire a retired bus driver to drive the engine to the scene of the fire.
After all, what's so difficult about pointing water towards a fire.

then the glory boys could work all the details they want.

Posted by: Macop

No need for all that bitterness

Posted by: mpd61

Oh Jeezum!!!

Please somebody stop the madness NOW!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: massirishcop

Lexington P.D. lets everyone do details, F.F, even school crossing guards....

Posted by: 94c

you want to be a cop? Be a cop.
you want to be a firefighter? Be a firefighter.

I have no use for wannabees.

This is a profession not a part-time job.

Posted by: KML161

I love this web site. A simple question and people get all emotional and stupid......

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by KML161

I love this web site. A simple question and people get all emotional and stupid......

sorry to insult you wannabee

Posted by: andyuxb

They do in Uxbridge. Usually on construction and things like that.

Posted by: Curious EMT

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Originally Posted by andyuxb

They do in Uxbridge. Usually on construction and things like that.

I know Uxbridge is calling surrounding towns for detail men on a daily basis due to that project. Are the FF's getting some of these? Where are they on the call list?

Posted by: EOD1

they called the other day for 14. i haven't seen any FF on details yet.... or ever for that matter is that new andy?

Posted by: kdk240

Good thhing there was a deatil here and not a flag man... Imagine what could have happened if there was no deatil officer around. Thank god for them in mass.

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E-mail article Printable version Most popularOfficer got earful of road rage bully’s rant
By Jennifer Roy/ Daily News Tribune
Friday, July 28, 2006 - Updated: 02:51 AM EST

An obscenity-laced road rage incident in Waltham left a young woman in tears and the alleged aggressor under arrest after a cop caught every dirty detail.
Police say the accused road rager, Stephen Villandry, 52, of Waltham, and the alleged victim were trying to merge in traffic Tuesday when insults were exchanged.
Villandry told police the alleged victim had made an obscene gesture toward him.
“That’s speculation on our part,” said Waltham Detective Lt. Brian Navin said. “She could have.”
A police officer working a construction detail watched as Villandry stopped his tan minivan, walked over to the alleged victim’s Chevy Aveo, and started to yell obscenities at her, said Navin.
The officer told Villandry to leave, but he first opened the woman’s car door and slammed it shut hard, twice, Navin said.
The woman, who was not identified, was not injured, but was “visibly shaken and crying” after the encounter, he said.
“He got out of his car and decided to terrorize this (22-year-old) woman,” Navin said.
Villandry was charged with assault and driving with a suspended license, Navin said.

jroy@cnc.com.

Posted by: mpdcam

Stupid is as a Stupid Does. Moron!!!!

Posted by: firefighter39

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Originally Posted by 94c

sorry to insult you wannabee

I used to do details, but have now found a much more lucrative "part-time" job to take up my five days a week off from the firehouse. So much time off, so much money to make, immagine I can take one vacation day and not be at work for a whole week.

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by firefighter39

don't you guys have a site where you can go and talk about shed fires?

and as far as you're private message goes with you're salary, I have doubled that the last 3 years working details and overtime and court without breaking a sweat.

Posted by: Blueflu1

How do firefighters do details? Do they put the recliner in the middle of the road?

Posted by: USMCTrooper

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Originally Posted by bluesamurai22

If I remember correctly firefighters can stop traffic around fire equipment but I can't remember what the remedy is if you ignore them. Maybe hindering a firefighter? They lack ch-90 power so I don't see how they can legally stop traffic.

A few things fire fighters CAN/CANNOT do:

Chapter 48:

Powers and duties; commanding assistance
Section 6. Such firewards or other officers may require assistance for extinguishing a fire and for removing furniture, goods or merchandise from a building on fire or in danger of fire. They may appoint guards to secure the same, may require assistance for demolishing a building, and suppress tumults and disorders at fires.

Section 15. The forester, the state fire warden or any duly authorized assistant, the forest warden in a town or the official performing the duties of a forest warden in a city, or any duly appointed deputy forest warden, the director of the division of fisheries and wildlife, an environmental police officer or deputy environmental police officer or a fish and game warden may arrest without warrant any person found in the act of setting, maintaining or increasing a fire in violation of section thirteen. They shall take precautions to prevent the progress of forest fires, or the improper kindling thereof, and upon the discovery of any such fire shall immediately require the necessary assistance in accordance with section ten, the provisions of which and of sections eleven and twelve are hereby made applicable in such case, and shall notify the local forest warden.

Section 43. The chief of a fire department shall act as forest warden in all such towns which accept the provisions of either of the two preceding sections, and shall have authority to appoint deputy wardens and fix their compensation subject to the approval of the selectmen.

Section 47. The engineers, in the extinguishment of fires, shall exercise the powers of firewards and, in the nomination and appointment of such firefighters as necessary therefor, shall exercise the powers and perform the duties of selectmen. They may appoint such men to the engines, hose and hook and ladder carriages, and constitute such companies for securing property endangered by fire, as they deem expedient.

Section 88. No city or town shall require a permanent member of its fire department to perform the duties of a police officer during his tour of duty. No fire fighter shall, in connection with any industrial or labor dispute, perform the duties of a police officer or any duties other than those regularly performed by him.

Section 89. No fire fighter shall be required to carry firearms in the performance of his duty

Chapter 89: Section 7A. Restrictions on use of ways upon approach of emergency vehicles
Section 7A. Upon the approach of any fire apparatus, police vehicle, ambulance or disaster vehicle which is going to a fire or responding to call, alarm or emergency situation, every person driving a vehicle on a way shall immediately drive said vehicle as far as possible toward the right-hand curb or side of said way and shall keep the same at a standstill until such fire apparatus, police vehicle, ambulance or disaster vehicle has passed. No person shall drive a vehicle over a hose of a fire department without the consent of a member of such department. No person shall drive a vehicle within three hundred feet of any fire apparatus going to a fire or responding to an alarm, nor drive said vehicle, or park or leave the same unattended, within eight hundred feet of a fire or within the fire lanes established by the fire department, or upon or beside any traveled way, whether public or private, leading to the scene of a fire, in such a manner as to obstruct the approach to the fire of any fire apparatus or any ambulance, safety or police vehicle, or of any vehicle bearing an official fire or police department designation. Authorized police or fire department personnel may tow a vehicle found to be in violation of the provisions of this section or which is illegally parked or standing in a fire lane as established by the fire department, whether or not a fire is in progress, and such personnel shall not be subject to the provisions of section one hundred and twenty D of chapter two hundred and sixty-six. No person shall operate a motor vehicle behind any such fire apparatus, ambulance, safety or police vehicle, or any vehicle bearing an official fire or police department designation which is operating with emergency systems on, for a distance of three hundred feet. Violation of any provision of this section shall be punished by a fine of not more than one hundred dollars.

Posted by: irish937

I will say the same thing the ding-dings say when I wake them up from a sound sleep for EVERYTHING I can think of during the night (and break their balls about it)............"you took the wrong test." Sorry, details are for cops. Worry about your landscaping or construction jobs. We had a lieutenant in our FD who thought they should be able work details too. Guess how that worked out??

Posted by: Buford T

Recliner in the road, now that's FUNNY!

Posted by: 40th MPOC#309

I think the Firemen do a great job at what they are supposed to do. I'd just like to set up a course on how to safely park their apparatus at emergency scenes. Oh yeah-and how they dont need all their sirens blaring for EVERY callout. My new thing? I wear Fireman shirts all the time off duty. Nice to be loved...........

Posted by: capepd

hahahha...thats great! I'm getting some FD tee shirts too. The public will throw flower petals at my feet and give me another million for the overtime budget.

Posted by: Bravo2-7

Been wearing FD shirts for years ( I try not to wear them in public a lot, but I have a large supply) due to my dad always giving me a couple every year.

And yes he does blame my becoming a cop on my mom's side of the family

Posted by: 94c

Had a bomb threat called into the station last year and the glory boys showed up.

they refused to go into the station and look around.

said it wasn't their job.

Posted by: 40th MPOC#309

Unreal! Probably pulled 'em away from watching The View....Got a nice compliment at the bank today. One of the tellers noticed my shirt and said "Hey-you're not a Fireman!!! Your a Cop!!!" I told her my need to be loved and she said "that's OK-they dont do anything for me anyway-you do..."

Posted by: RPD931

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Originally Posted by 40th MPOC#309

Unreal! Probably pulled 'em away from watching The View....Got a nice compliment at the bank today. One of the tellers noticed my shirt and said "Hey-you're not a Fireman!!! Your a Cop!!!" I told her my need to be loved and she said "that's OK-they dont do anything for me anyway-you do..."

Thatta' boy slick!

Posted by: firefighter39

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Originally Posted by 94c

Had a bomb threat called into the station last year and the glory boys showed up.

they refused to go into the station and look around.

said it wasn't their job.

And they were right! What good would they do if a device was found? That's what the bomb squad is for. Also, besides a ticking alarm clock attached to sticks of dynamite what does a bomb look like, where should you look?

Once the people are evacuated only a fool would go into the building unless they are trained as EOD.

Posted by: 94c

you glory boys are so pathetic you didn't even make the cut for the Village People.

Posted by: firefighter39

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Originally Posted by 94c

you glory boys are so pathetic you didn't even make the cut for the Village People.

And the problem with that is????

Posted by: csauce777

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Originally Posted by firefighter39

Yeah but you fireman are quick to try to weasle your way out of a ticket when you get stopped though huh??

Posted by: j809

Firemen get breaks?

Posted by: Tango

I saw a guy today with a T Shirt on today with a big fire helmet on the back which said.... "if you cant stand the heat, become a cop" ...are you friggin kidding me?

The FD in a city I once worked in worked 2 days 2 night schedule...aka 2 picnics, 2 sleep overs then 4 off.

Posted by: 40th MPOC#309

Wait a minute-what about the cops that arrive way before the firemen and get all the people out while the FD guys get their "gear" on???? Oh yeah-they've never lost a foundation....MEOW-MEOW.....

Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by 40th MPOC#309

Wait a minute-what about the cops that arrive way before the firemen and get all the people out while the FD guys get their "gear" on???? Oh yeah-they've never lost a foundation....MEOW-MEOW.....

Ouch!! Watch out Dickie! Bob Morawski will kick your ass!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: massirishcop

I believe Lexington does, if they are specials within the town, then again they let school crossing guards do details there as well. I guess you dont need to be a police officer anymore to work details........very sad!

Posted by: csauce777

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Firemen get breaks?

Never said they get breaks...said they try...

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