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Posted by: tssi11

Two veteran Massachusetts officers, one with 23 years, the other 18 years riding Harley Davidson touring bikes were stopped and ticketed for speeding (41 in a 30) last Tuesday night during the Laconia motorcycle rally in Bristol New Hampshire. When they offered their credentials the Bristol Officer Badge #4 stated he "didn't care if they were law enforcement"
Unbelievable as it may be, there are still some of them out there. Beware when traveling that area.

Posted by: LKat20

fscpd907...wanna chime in on this post?? Did you pay that ticket yet??

Posted by: SinePari

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Originally Posted by tssi11

Two veteran Massachusetts officers, one with 23 years, the other 18 years riding Harley Davidson touring bikes were stopped and ticketed for speeding (41 in a 30) last Tuesday night during the Laconia motorcycle rally in Bristol New Hampshire. When they offered their credentials the Bristol Officer Badge #4 stated he "didn't care if they were law enforcement"
Unbelievable as it may be, there are still some of them out there. Beware when traveling that area.

Badge #4??? Did he go to the academy with Moses?

Posted by: Duff112

Kinda' makes your blood boil doesn't it????

Multiculturalism is just a nice idea for people who haven't been bombed yet.....

Posted by: MAScrew10

They should call badge 1. I suspect that would clear the matter up.

Posted by: no$.10

I would be tempted to write an anonymos letter.

To Whom it May Concern:

Last weekend I had the opportunity to visit your quaint little town. All my life I have found it to be a very relaxing drive on rte 3, and this occasion seemed no different than any other. Being a police officer in a busy town in Massachusetts, I was thoroughly enjoying the rolling mountain by way, thinking how nice it was that I hadn't hit a traffic light in the last 10 miles. As there were no other vehicles in sight, I perhaps may have day dreamed a bit, and wasn't watching my spedometer. It would seem that my vehicle was careening at approximately 41 miles per hour, unbeknownst to me. Now, I don't mean to plead ignorance of the law, for certainly we all know that is no defense, however; the speed limit in Massachusetts is 40 in rural areas unless otherwise posted, and as there were no visible signs, I judged the limit to be similar.

Thanks to officer_______(badge #4), I have been so educated. The officer was kind enough to issue a fine in the amount of $____, as a permanent reminder that the Town of Bristol deals out justice swiftly, with no exceptions. I appreciate the sterness, and would like to extend members of your department the same courtesy, should the need ever arise. And just to be sure that I don't miss out on that opportunity, I have posted the issue on Masscops.com, in order to afford the Bristol officers the same opportunity elsewhere in Massachusetts, should they ever decide to visit our fine state.

Thank you again,

Masscop

Posted by: fscpd907

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Originally Posted by LKat20

fscpd907...wanna chime in on this post?? Did you pay that ticket yet??

Yes and I learned my lesson. I will never talk on my cell phone again while traveling through the great State of Connecticut.

“Well Sir since you’re a Police Officer you need to set an example for others”

Posted by: kwflatbed

Bristol Police Department

Chief of Police
Barry Wingate

PO Box 543
Bristol, New Hampshire 03222
(603)744-6320

Posted by: phuzz01

While I don't necessarily agree with the officer's decision, I also don't think this is a thread that needs to be on a public forum. We've already seen cases where threads here end up in the news.

Posted by: akman75

Maybe the officers in that area were fed up with giving riders warnings in that area due to the rally. Could be that this particular officer pulled over multiple violators that day that were also Law Enforcement and was fed up. Who knows. What goes around comes around.

Posted by: jasonbr

It's the "thin blue line", not "thin blue circle", it has to end somewhere......

Posted by: clancy-dawg

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Originally Posted by jasonbr

It's the "thin blue line", not "thin blue circle", it has to end somewhere......

Lines go on forever (and they should)
From wikipedia.org-
A line, or straight line, can be described as an (infinitely) thin, (infinitely) long, perfectly straight curve (the term curve in mathematics includes "straight curves").

Personally speaking, I think the guy who did this sucks.

Posted by: jasonbr

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Originally Posted by clancy-dawg

Line: A real or imaginary mark positioned in relation to fixed points of reference.

Wikipedia isn't a real dictionary . It's more of an expression than a mathematical statement anyways......

Welcome to Wikipedia,
the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.

I wouldn't want "anyone" editing my encyclopedias.......

Posted by: dcs2244

Well said, akman 75. Our law enforcement community should endeavor to apply the same standards to policemen (and women...can't excuse...er... forget them) from Bristol, in a show of solidarity.

I know I will.

Posted by: Mr.90/24

We battle as brother and sisters about State and local and the lecs, etc....but to me we're all family.....it kills me that we are hitting each other up like this, no one likes the police guys and girls..we need to take care of our own or no one else will. Good bless Trooper Paul Barry...rest in peace brother!! Good bless the Massachusetts State Police!! Thanks

Posted by: thelastsamurai

I had a simular incident with Lowell PD over the weekend..

Posted by: THE RP

I had a simular incident with Lowell PD over the weekend..

Bullshit...

Posted by: j809

I am curious, were these guys municipal or state police officers, or auxiliaries for some PD, sheriffs, etc?

P.S. Before anybody jumps in and defends their status I asked because I know some PDs could care less unless you are a FT municipal or state police officer.

Posted by: thelastsamurai

PM or contact me, I'll explain it clearly.

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Originally Posted by THE RP

I had a simular incident with Lowell PD over the weekend..

Bullshit...

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Well Well Well its disturbing to see that Massachusetts police officer are not the only assholes to each other! We can include NH and CT to our family of asses!

Posted by: THE RP

Why don't you let it fly...You threw it out there so if theres an accusation to be made let it fly..

I know this...To be professionally mistreated by a very traditional department like Lowell or the state or other old school places you really need to screw up or you don't carry the credentials to qualify for consideration...What's it going to be samurai...Maybe it's a bit of both..

If you got a V, give me the number and badge number and I will make some calls and get the other side of the story..I know enough of those guys to know that they would take your type claim very seriously, especially on a site like this, where its all very anonymous..

Posted by: 94c

Quote:

Originally Posted by thelastsamurai

I had a simular incident with Lowell PD over the weekend..

You live in Lowell and they still banged you?

Posted by: thelastsamurai

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE RP

Why don't you let it fly...You threw it out there so if theres an accusation to be made let it fly..

I know this...To be professionally mistreated by a very traditional department like Lowell or the state or other old school places you really need to screw up or you don't carry the credentials to qualify for consideration...What's it going to be samurai...Maybe it's a bit of both..

If you got a V, give me the number and badge number and I will make some calls and get the other side of the story..I know enough of those guys to know that they would take your type claim very seriously, especially on a site like this, where its all very anonymous..

Here's an update of what's happening...

For the ticket, its being taken care of at the moment. I'm not here to come on the forum and accuse "any" department of being mistreated. I lived in Lowell almost all my life, actually know a few officers here, but I don't work here. No one is perfect, officers can also make bad judgement, but some judge by the looks of appearance. My car has a TBL, but I never got questioned or my credibility. " I'm not here to bashed or trash any officer, because we all work on the same side." As of right now, everything is cool and settled. End of story.

Posted by: irish937

Don't go south, boys and girls. Virginia doesn't like us "Northern Types". Took my $116 V and shut my mouth because, "We don't do that down here." He was referring to consideration. He went on to explain that if I was going such and such a speed more, he'd have me out of the car under arrest. Regardless of who I was. I never gave him crap and immediately apologized for speeding. I was going a little fast, but certainly nothing ridiculous on Rt. 95 at 0200. Thank you very much Virginia State Police. Oh well, I have a few more years until retirement.........

Posted by: HPD104

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Originally Posted by phuzz01

While I don't necessarily agree with the officer's decision, I also don't think this is a thread that needs to be on a public forum. We've already seen cases where threads here end up in the news.

I couldnt agree with you more. Our good old friends at the T&G is probably already taking notes.

Posted by: Macop

Drove down to Atlanta for the holidays and was VERY wearing of being stopped in one of the southern states, while carrying. Stopped at a rest area in NJ on the way home. A Trooper was randomly walking up to cars in the lot and talking to people, (no problem, good way to find "stuff"). He walks up to me, my brother and newphew while we stuffing our faces. Starts asking the typical questions, where ya coming from, all that. He did not seem to give a rats ass that I was on the job. Usually when I meet another cop, I get into a hour long or so converstaion about the job and what not and trade buisness cards, this guy had no interest.

Posted by: Inspector

Just for you info guys (and gals) a couple of years ago some officers in marked units were stopped and violated for speed on their way to the Police Memorial in D.C. The Commissioner of that state.....not 100% sure but may have been VA, ordered there be no slack cut. Never forget...we are not above the law...we are there to enforce it.

Posted by: Andy0921

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Originally Posted by fscpd907

I'm guessing you got the $100 infraction?
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Posted by: Edmizer1

I looked up Bristol, NH. Its population is like 3K. This probably means that the officer was part-time. I have no idea of the exact situation, but is is probably not far off that they guy wasn't a cop a month ago and won't be one next month. I do not want to start a part-time/full-time argument. There are a couple of towns around me that have part-time cops. Some are better than others. This is my breakdown of them:

1/4= as good or better than an average full-time officer (many are seeking full-time)
1/4 = Going thru the motions but ok in a pinch.
1/4 = just want to carry a badge and gun and don't really know what they are doing
1/4 = scary - work a few months until fired.

My town has a policy that if we have to go out of town for a detail, part-time cops are only allowed to work traffic jobs. We have found that they are just too unpredicable in other areas. The best part-timers are people with full-time criminal justice jobs that are looking for extra income or like the work. Court officers, probation, campus police, usuallly work out the best.

Posted by: EXTRACOP

I wrote a parking ticket for a officer car [new car didn't know] my Lt. ordered me not to void it . all that should have known better stuff. I didn't feel good about it . This guy in NH just an ass!

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

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Originally Posted by irish937

Don't go south, boys and girls. Virginia doesn't like us "Northern Types". Took my $116 V and shut my mouth because, "We don't do that down here." He was referring to consideration. He went on to explain that if I was going such and such a speed more, he'd have me out of the car under arrest. Regardless of who I was. I never gave him crap and immediately apologized for speeding. I was going a little fast, but certainly nothing ridiculous on Rt. 95 at 0200. Thank you very much Virginia State Police. Oh well, I have a few more years until retirement.........

I had the same experience with the Virginia State Police. All VSP troopers should be extended the same courtesy N.F.C.!!!!

Posted by: DoD102

I had a similar experience in South Carolina on I95 outside Florence. I was on active duty in support of Nobel Eagle/Oper Enduring Freedom. I had been deployed to MacDill AFB in Florida as the Security shift supervisor of US Central Command. I was traveling home with my wife and two young boys. We were in a Fla registered rental. As we were NBD on 95 I saw a SC Trooper with a car stopped in the BDL. I was going 75 mph in a posted 70 mph zone. I pulled into the passing lane to give the Trooper room to work. He turned to go back to his car and stopped and gave me that stare you get when you know they're coming for you. It's a universal Trooper stare

they must have a special seminar on that look alone! Anyway, sure enough he comes screaming up behind me and on with the lights. I can't pull over immediately due to a TT unit in the BDL so I pull up past the TT unit partially under a bridge. he comes up and asks for my license and reg. I explain it's a rental and it seemed that along with my Massachusetts license this created some "issue." The approx. 21 y/o Trooper say :Get out of the car. I do and he proceeds to put his little DI hat right on my forhead, actually touching me with it! So I do the natural thing and step back. He now has be against the guard rail, mind you my two young boys are watching this. They LOVE cops cuz dad is one and they believe as I always have that we take care of each other. This idiot is now yelling at me wanting to know what my "GD" problem is. I try to explain that I was moving over to give him room, I explain that I have been oin the job 23 years at that point, (mind you, about as long as he's been alive) and explain that I have credentials in the car. The next phrase frosted my ass big time! "I don't care about your F'ing credentials, you're a disgrace to the job" I lost it with this guy, who by the way was in my face with that cover again. I told him to give me the f'ing ticket so I can get on my way, and that if he touched me with that hat again he and I were going to have issues. I also asked for a supervisor to speak to but he refuse that info. He went back to his car, made a cell phone call, and after all that gave me a verbal and told me to "get out of SC." I was fuming!!! So, let me extend to any SC Trooper out there the invitation to come to my neck of the woods and I'll afford you the same courtesy. I guess my point after all that rambling, is there are some young cops out there who do not have a clue what the "Brotherhood" is. Those of us "old timers" who remember being paid $5.00/hr to work, having to work four jobs to feed our kids, we took care of each other and our families. I see that going by the wayside. Alot of these guys are out there for themselves now. I get selfish sometimes too, and I have to remind myself from time to time why I do this job, even after 26 years. For me it's still not the money. We're here to "serve" our communities. And as importantly, maybe even more so, to take care of each other and our families.

And Badge #4...I guess some old cops forget too.

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Thats an aweful story sarge!! I can still remember VSP Tpr R.F. Cruise's line some 16yrs ago, "I don't like to write police officers, but I'm writing YOU!!" What an a$$hole!!

Posted by: phuzz01

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop

I had the same experience with the Virginia State Police. All VSP troopers should be extended the same courtesy N.F.C.!!!!

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Originally Posted by sarge439

So, let me extend to any SC Trooper out there the invitation to come to my neck of the woods and I'll afford you the same courtesy.

It's sentiments like that that get the big inter-agency battles brewing. Just because one guy was an ahole, you are going to treat everyone in their agency the same way? The person that you stopped may not know the guy, and may not do things the same way. If I stopped someone from those agencies, I would treat them the same as I would any other cop...

Posted by: MM1799

You are all up in arms about the lack of "professional courtesy" and the disrespect shown to you by fellow officers in different states. Yet you list departments and names? How are you guys any better?

Posted by: jarcop

I am working in a small NH town and I don't stop a car unless it's doing over 12 mph over. There is no way in hell I would write a cop. I don't care where they are from. When I stop a fellow cop..or for that matter cops who have stopped me, we not only don't write eachother, but feel bad for detaining eachother. It's almost like sorry for bothering you. Maybe I'm just lucky.

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Quote:

Originally Posted by MM1799

You are all up in arms about the lack of "professional courtesy" and the disrespect shown to you by fellow officers in different states. Yet you list departments and names? How are you guys any better?

I have never written a cop or a cops family member in my career, however I received zero consideration from Tpr R.F. Cruise (badge #1844) and the Virginia State Police, therefore if and when I were to encounter same, they would receive the exact same consideration. This is the same agency who stopped a contingency of NYPD cops in marked cruisers and in uniform on their way to assist in New Orleans.

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Originally Posted by phuzz01

If I stopped someone from those agencies, I would treat them the same as I would any other cop...

I don't blame you, just don't expect the courtesy to be reciprocated.

Posted by: Macop

What are you, 2 years old?

Posted by: phuzz01

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Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop

and the Virginia State Police,

So again, even though the VSP has a few thousand troopers, you are going to be a jerk to all of them because of a bad experience with one of them? That is really childish...

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Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop

I don't blame you, just don't expect the courtesy to be reciprocated

I don't EXPECT it from anyone. If I get stopped and the officer chooses to give me a warning, I will gratefully accept it. If he chooses to issue a summons, I'll pay it just like everyone else. But that doesn't mean I'm going to be a dick to him, to everyone in his agency, to everyone in his state, or to everyone in his half of the country.

Posted by: Robert35

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Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop

Very true Pictures were sent to Police Depts of the Traffic Stop. The Virginia State Police Stopped the Officers as they stated "Using Emergency Equipment (Lights) and driving in the Fast Speed lane not responding to an Emergency". If I can dig them up again and I am sure we have them at our Union I will PM to anyone.

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Quote:

Originally Posted by phuzz01

I guess you are just a righteous individual and I guess a cop shouldn't expect anything from you either.

Quote:

Originally Posted by phuzz01

So again, even though the VSP has a few thousand troopers, you are going to be a jerk to all of them because of a bad experience with one of them? That is really childish...

Tpr Cruise is a representative of his agency and the few thousand troopers he considers his colleagues, therefore his actions reflect upon his agency, but unfortunately he wasn't the only VSP tpr I encountered during this experience. So again, the same consideration would be extended, but they, like you, shouldn't expect anything more.

Posted by: phuzz01

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Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop

I guess a cop shouldn't expect anything from you either.

You guess entirely wrong. I made it very clear that I treat ALL cops (regardless of what state or agency there are from) with the respect and courtesy they deserve. You were the one that was saying that you would not give certain police officers that courtesy.

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Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop

Tpr Cruise is a representative of his agency and the few thousand troopers he considers his colleagues, therefore his actions reflect upon his agency

There are jerks in every agency. I'm sure there are a few people in your agency that you wouldn't want "representing" you. If somebody from your agency did the same thing that Tpr Cruise did, are you saying that it should be open season on your entire department?

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Quote:

Originally Posted by phuzz01

If somebody from your agency did the same thing that Tpr Cruise did, are you saying that it should be open season on your entire department?

If someone from my agency treated another officer in this manner, said person would have been corrected immediately. VSP condones this type of activity.

Posted by: MM1799

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop

Tpr Cruise is a representative of his agency and the few thousand troopers he considers his colleagues, therefore his actions reflect upon his agency,

Well right now you are representing police officers in general; to the general public. And you are making us look like a bunch of winey 12yos who get angry because someone isn't playing "fairly" in the sandbox. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop

but unfortunately he wasn't the only VSP tpr I encountered during this experience.

If you've had this many experiences with the VSP -- to be able to generalize about the whole department, maybe you should learn how to drive.

Posted by: lawdog671

If you've had this many experiences with the VSP -- to be able to generalize about the whole department, maybe you should learn how to drive.

Ouch....lol

Posted by: pahapoika

The Virginia State Police Stopped the Officers as they stated "Using Emergency Equipment (Lights) and driving in the Fast Speed lane not responding to an Emergency".

got that email a while back too. sounds like a tough crowd down in Virginia

Posted by: kwflatbed

It is a directive of the state of Virginia that there will be 0 tollerence against speeders
no exceptions but some of the officers do push it to far.
I have paid fines twice for 2 MPH over on route 95 both stops were troopers with
attitudes.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

VSP sucks, I know six officers that received speeding tickets by VSP, even a MSP trooper got one from those guys. They just don't care but they are in deep doo doo, because everyone hates them, including every local and COunty PD in VA. They get gigged by everyone too.

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Quote:

Originally Posted by MM1799

If you've had this many experiences with the VSP -- to be able to generalize about the whole department, maybe you should learn how to drive.

This was the only experience I personally had with the VSP and the only ticket I've ever received, but I know of a lot of others who had similar encounters, but its good to see you agree with their philosophy. I hear the VSP is hiring, you should probably look into it, sounds like you'll fit right in!!

Posted by: Clouseau

What's all this talk about professional courtesy? I've been a cop for years and have never given it or received it. I receive citations and issue other cops citations. Everyone is equal. Every cop I know states the same. It's just a myth. You guys should stop teasing the public and the media with these postings or eventually they're going to start believing it.

Posted by: Mitpo62

Por Que?

Posted by: MM1799

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Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop

I like my job right now, thanks anyway.
My point isn't that VSP is correct or you are correct. My point is simply this whole thread makes us cops look like a bunch of people who expect rules to be bent and when they aren't we feel offended.

Think what you'd like about professional courtesy and other departments, but keep it off a public forum. No need to let the public know how other cops feel about other departments and what not. I may agree with your point or I may not.. the public doesn't need to know.

Clear out one of your PM's so I can send you one, sir.

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Quote:

Originally Posted by MM1799

Clear out one of your PM's so I can send you one, sir.

All clear, sir.

Posted by: VTCOP

Here is my 2 cent's....A ticket is a ticket, no big deal. I don't ticket other LEO's. I wouldn't expect to get ticketed either. If I do, I'll pay it! Why? Cause I'm wrong, one of the last of a dying bread of people that actually accept responsibility! NOW! If, I stop anyone and they are drunk, I don't care if your the president, I will process. I personally believe there has to be a line somewhere that states we can let go or book'em. Drunks are my line, and thats just me. If I ever get that bad, I would expect the same treatment, actually put my ass in jail, cuz I don't wanna deal with my wife! Ok, let the rants start!

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

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Originally Posted by VTCOP

Why? Cause I'm wrong, one of the last of a dying bread of people that actually accept responsibility!

Next time your off duty, in your personal vehicle and you happen to notice your over the speed limit, take that responsibility and pull over and write yourself a ticket.

Posted by: 94c

Since I'm a bottom line type of guy, here goes...

Which cop on this entire forum has never given someone a verbal for a motor vehicle infraction? Well if you can do it for the motoring public then you sure as hell can do it for a fellow police officer.

If you're the type that never gives warnings then obviously your an asshole to all around you. Even the guys you work with. They may not say it to your face but that is how they feel.

Posted by: irish937

Well put 94c. Last time I checked we have great discretion when enforcing laws. Very few offenses require a certain response. If you live life in black and white, then good for you. I'm sure your truly admired and respected. Does every motor vehicle infraction deserve a citation? Likewise, does every criminal offense need to be charged? I know this may sound strange, but sometimes people have bad days. We are humans after all. The best tool an officer has is his/her head. If you cannot look and think outside the box, who would want you for a teammate? The most effective officers I've worked with are the ones who constantly ask questions and weigh each situation accordingly. Remember, life is not black and white, it's various shades of gray.

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