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Posted by: graveyardsleeper

Anyone hear about another academy starting right when this one gets done

Posted by: tigerwoody

I heard a rumor from someone in the academy now that there is going to be possibly two more classes off the 2002 exam that will test the rest of the 95s and get to the top of the 94s.

Posted by: Live303

definately 1 more class from this test not sure about 2

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Originally Posted by tigerwoody

I heard a rumor from someone in the academy now that there is going to be possibly two more classes off the 2002 exam that will test the rest of the 95s and get to the top of the 94s.

Posted by: badgebunny

How long is the test usually good for?

Posted by: Enforcer174

They should have the test go for atleast another 1 -2 classes seeing that thousands of people paid all that money for the test in 2002 and just last year 3 yrs later they finally started hiring from the list.

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Originally Posted by badgebunny

How long is the test usually good for?

Posted by: GARDA

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Originally Posted by Enforcer174

They should have the test go for atleast another 1 -2 classes seeing that thousands of people paid all that money for the test in 2002 and just last year 3 yrs later they finally started hiring from the list.

What Planet do you live on? Get your facts straight...This last test has produced the 77th, 78th, and 79th RTTs. (3 classes are typical from each exam) So what the hell does "seeing that thousands of people paid all that money" have anything to do with your reasoning?! Are you suggesting that money should influence the hiring process?
Hmmmm, what a great idea...if you could just BUY your way onto the job... pay good coin to take the test, wait awhile, and then shout: "Take ME!, it's my turn."
Hey, while we're at it, let's just relax even more of the entrance standards for every bottom dweller on the list ......sigh. ......barf .....repeat. NOT!!!

Posted by: federal officer

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Originally Posted by GARDA

LOL can you say Providence Police !!!!!

Posted by: SinePari

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Originally Posted by GARDA

Are you suggesting that money should influence the hiring process?
Hmmmm, what a great idea...if you could just BUY your way onto the job...

I think he confused the MSP with the Sheriffs

Posted by: USMCTrooper

I say enough. The test is burned out. No more tests no more classes for a while. Let's get some movement upward first.

Posted by: Mikey682

Seriously, now that I've gotten on the job, burn this list until the next one! hee hee!

Posted by: Enforcer174

G- Get your facts straight. I dont think it was fair for the Commonwealth to administer a test in 2002 and have people pay the what $50 it was and not call anyone off the list until last year almost 3 1/2 years later. So maybe you should read what I wrote instead of assuming that money will get you the job!!! For all those years the Commonwealth didnt recruit anyone off the list, people moved or went to war and couldnt hold on to waiting. Their only done to around 95 so why not pull another class or 2 off the list instead of wasting more taxpayers money having another test when the State claims to have no money?Maybe the state should refund the money to the people who took the test in 2002 seing that they didnt use anyone off the test until 3 1/2 years later.

Posted by: Enforcer174

G- Also, think of all the men and women that were training to be prepared for that once in lifetime chance to get recruited for the MSP for the past 4 years that have maxed out on their age limit becasue of waiting so long for the commonwealth to finally pull people from the list. If there is another test then people who waited all those who are over the age limit are screwed. Try not to be so selfish and you will see the big picture!!

Posted by: lofu

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Originally Posted by Enforcer174

G- Also, think of all the men and women that were training to be prepared for that once in lifetime chance to get recruited for the MSP for the past 4 years that have maxed out on their age limit becasue of waiting so long for the commonwealth to finally pull people from the list. If there is another test then people who waited all those who are over the age limit are screwed. Try not to be so selfish and you will see the big picture!!

Doesn't the age limit only apply to taking test? If I'm wrong someone correct me but that seems strange that they would let someone test and then say "Sorry you're too old now because the test happened 4 years ago."

Posted by: Enforcer174

No, what I meant is if they have a new test people who have already reached the 35 yr old age limit would be ineligable to take a new exam because of the age requirement. I know they want to get the best of the best but they should give everyone a fair chance before having a new test because of the delay in recruiting. Anyways I only posted my opinion and got bashed by G.

Goodluck to all future Law enforcement officers!!!

Posted by: Vader

"Everyone" doesn't deserve a fair chance. You take the test and hope to make it into one of the classes. If it is not in the cards for you this time...then take it again.

You can't get the best of the best by giving everyone a fair chance. You take the top scores and run with it. And that is what happens. Could there be a better way??? Possibly, but that is the way it is. It also prevents any political appointees that don't belong.

Posted by: Killjoy

In all fairness, the testing process in itself is flawed, perhaps if they did a BOP on all the testing applicants they could cut out 10-20% of the turds...without making them take the test and move them along through the application process, wasting time and money.

Posted by: Enforcer174

I agree the system is flawed just like the the Municpal civil service testing. All the age requirements and residence requirements. Iam very surprised that all these years no one has brought suit to those two requirements. The system is long over due for a complete overhaul!!

They do need to do BOP before testing to eliminate people who with record would never get the job but do they not do that because of the money they will gain from having people apply and pay the $50 testing fee?

Look at NH they make you do PAT before you can even take the test, now that is the right way..

Posted by: futureMSP

Life isn't fair, MSP might hire every year but they have a budget. I'd bet when they first gave the test they did not realize there would be such a lag before they had classes. If states could forecast budget problems there probably wouldn't be any.

Posted by: billy108b

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Originally Posted by Enforcer174

G- Get your facts straight. I dont think it was fair for the Commonwealth to administer a test in 2002 and have people pay the what $50 it was and not call anyone off the list until last year almost 3 1/2 years later. So maybe you should read what I wrote instead of assuming that money will get you the job!!! For all those years the Commonwealth didnt recruit anyone off the list, people moved or went to war and couldnt hold on to waiting. Their only done to around 95 so why not pull another class or 2 off the list instead of wasting more taxpayers money having another test when the State claims to have no money?Maybe the state should refund the money to the people who took the test in 2002 seing that they didnt use anyone off the test until 3 1/2 years later.

Maybe you should of scored higher on the test. Nobody from the 77th, 78th and 79th are complaining about getting a refund on the money they spent to take the test. Life is imperfect buddy and you better get used to it The way to avoid all this type of drama is to score near the top of the list, Problem solved. Remember that when your taking the next SP exam.

Posted by: phuzz01

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Originally Posted by Enforcer174

Look at NH they make you do PAT before you can even take the test, now that is the right way..

We didn't used to do it that way. But not that many people were failing the written, while a large percentage (like, over 50%) were failing the PAT. So now we weed out the fatbodies first, and then go on to the written.

Posted by: 48Weeks

The system is definitly flawed in Massachusetts. There should be numerous factors in determining who should be hired, not just a written test score. An example would be 50% of score based off of the written test, 25% on background and 25% based on oral board OR something similar. I was lucky enough to score high enough and get on in Massachusetts but if I scored 1 point lower I would be working elsewhere. I have seen many high quality persons not ever get a card even though they scored 97, 98 or 99 etc . I have also seen many nitwits get hired based on them scoring well on a test OR scoring horrible but being a vet or minority. Scoring well on a test, being a vet (I totally respect vets, but being a vet doesn't make you a better Cop. I base my opinion on what I have seen out there. Many vets are great cops while many others are useless, just like when a non-vet gets the job, some are good, some are idiots), or minority does not make one a great cop. There are many other factors. However, the liberal state of Massachusetts will not change it's ways anytime soon. Someday (hopefully) the state will smarten up and hire the best candidates to serve our highways, cities and towns. Until then, be a good test taker and you are good to go. Stay safe.

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Originally Posted by Enforcer174

I agree the system is flawed just like the the Municpal civil service testing. All the age requirements and residence requirements. Iam very surprised that all these years no one has brought suit to those two requirements. The system is long over due for a complete overhaul!!

They do need to do BOP before testing to eliminate people who with record would never get the job but do they not do that because of the money they will gain from having people apply and pay the $50 testing fee?

Look at NH they make you do PAT before you can even take the test, now that is the right way..

Posted by: Curious EMT

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Originally Posted by 48Weeks

The system is definitly flawed in Massachusetts. There should be numerous factors in determining who should be hired, not just a written test score. An example would be 50% of score based off of the written test, 25% on background and 25% based on oral board OR something similar. I was lucky enough to score high enough and get on in Massachusetts

Are you infering that EVERYONE should go through the ENTIRE application process and at the last step they pick the top candidates? Yea, of the 15,000 people that took the MSP test, 13,000 probably got over a passing score over 70. 13,000 oral boards, backgronds, and PAT's is exactly what this state needs.

Maine does an interesting way of testing. You go up to the academy (one for the entire state and state police) at your leizure, and you take the written and physical test on the same day (or seperate if you wish), and that goes on your file, and you can retest if you want for a higher score. Then you take those results and apply with them anywhere, including Maine SP, then they begin the process with the top people from there. You can improve physicaly or mentaly, its not one shot every 5 years.

Posted by: Enforcer174

I dont have to get use to it if I dont want to. Also, for your info I scored a 97% and Iam already on the job for you information. I just pointed out that it would be nice for others if they pulled 1 more time from this list. Can you say that your on the job?

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Posted by: billy108b

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Originally Posted by Enforcer174

I dont have to get use to it if I dont want to. Also, for your info I scored a 97% and Iam already on the job for you information. I just pointed out that it would be nice for others if they pulled 1 more time from this list. Can you say that your on the job?

Ya I can!

Posted by: Vader

There is no perfect way of doing it. If you start taking cummulative scores from PAT / written / oral / etc., then you will run into people being hired because daddy or mommy knows someone. They get in under the radar because you can't point to one particular score that would eliminate / qualify them. MA is simple. You get in the top % or you take it again. Its what happens after that needs to be scrutinized. BOP's / higher PAT standards / etc. That would weed out a bunch of folks that get on, and take someone's seat who really wants and deserves it...then drop out, when they know they didn't want to be there in the first place.

Posted by: Tango

" scored a 97% and Iam already on the job for you information.."

- then why does your profile say you are an animal control officer??

Posted by: Dane

The profile defaults to Animal Control Officer if you don't change it. If you check, there are probably hundreds of people listed as animal control officers on this board. Just a quirk.

Posted by: lawdog671

And apparently they dont have spell check where you come from either, Mr. 97%. Funny how you score a 97 and have NO grasp of english as a written language. Don't worry though, in your world you should be able to take the test again so we can have the best of the best. Just don't ask them to spell it. Jeez...

Posted by: Enforcer174

Oh, I didnt know I was getting graded for spelling in MASSCOPS sorry about that. You can have your opinion just like me but the whole civil service is a mess. How can getting a job on any Mass Dept. be fair anyways when lets say you score a 95% and just because your a nonresident of that city or town you get passed over for a resident that scores 90%. The whole reason for taking a civil service test is to score high and get a job but not here in Mass..

Posted by: Massguy

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Originally Posted by graveyardsleeper

Anyone hear about another academy starting right when this one gets done

Back to the real question...*DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT A 80TH RTT CLASS (IE.MAINTENCE CLASS) ANY INFO WILL BE EXTREMLY HELPFUL. IWAS A BACKFILL FOR THE 79TH AND DID NOT GET IN DUE TO NOT ENOUGH DROPS FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD...ANY INFO WOULD BE GREAT

Posted by: Sgt. Canseco

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Very good 1st post...I too would like to know.

Posted by: ponyboy

One of my coworkers was in new Braintree for an FTO trainers class,and the instructor said they were talking about an 80th RTT next spring,and then possibly one more class after that.

Posted by: Massguy

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Originally Posted by ponyboy

One of my coworkers was in new Braintree for an FTO trainers class,and the instructor said they were talking about an 80th RTT next spring,and then possibly one more class after that.

thank you...that atleast gives some hope

Posted by: MARINECOP

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Originally Posted by ponyboy

One of my coworkers was in new Braintree for an FTO trainers class,and the instructor said they were talking about an 80th RTT next spring,and then possibly one more class after that.

Great class, awsome job by Sgt Hennigan. I was there and was told the same.

Posted by: tazoez

DARN IT!!!! That means I have to wait ATLEAST 2+ years for the next exam

Posted by: Massguy

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Originally Posted by tazoez

DARN IT!!!! That means I have to wait ATLEAST 2+ years for the next exam

Yes it is unfortunate that you have to wait for another test but like probally every single person that is a State Trooper know most likeley had to go through the long process ie(wait 2-3 years to be contacted,phys.test, interview board, physc. test, and background check) to get on. Just like I have been waiting since 02 and know I am so close I can taste it. So hopfully they do one more class.....Morale of the story.....anything is worth the wait if you want it bad enough! It just depends on how bad you want it.

Posted by: tazoez

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Originally Posted by Massguy

Trust me I know how bad I want it, LOL. The only thing is -- not to sound like a worry wart here but $70,000 in student loans -- need to find a decent paying job in the mean time. Making $10 an hr will not pay all the bills after December.

Posted by: ponyboy

MassGuy,
I hear what your saying about being worth the wait,but unfortunately for some of us me included the clock is ticking and I pray that I make one more test. I'm 33. If the SGT. Knows what he is talking about you should be good to go,because he was pretty confident about one more class. So I hope you get the call and good luck.

Posted by: Massguy

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Originally Posted by ponyboy

MassGuy,
I hear what your saying about being worth the wait,but unfortunately for some of us me included the clock is ticking and I pray that I make one more test. I'm 33. If the SGT. Knows what he is talking about you should be good to go,because he was pretty confident about one more class. So I hope you get the call and good luck.

Thank you. I hope to...not to burst your bubble but isn't the cut off 32?

Posted by: badgebunny

I thought cut off age was 35.

Posted by: nirtallica

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Originally Posted by Massguy

Here is the skinny! The Senate's budget calls for an 80th RTT. If it passes Conference Comm. then there will be a class possibly in Nov. If not, then it has to go on a Sup. Budget.If that happens, you will not see another class until early next year. HR wants to still use this list and exhaust the 95's. Most of the 95's have completed parts, if not all of the selections process. Their reasoning is why waste money already spent.Having said that, I have heard that HR is considering another test possibly next Fall. With the new Col. everything is still up in the air. Once he gets settled in and his Cmnd. Staff is in place, then plans will either move forward or change, but nothing will happen until funding is secured.Also bear in mind the SPA Repot that was issued recently. It will cost money to implement those changes. If the Col. wants to implement those changes before another class goes through, that takes more time, so the easiest thing for the Col. to do is direct HR to hold another exam. My guess is the 80th RTT will go sometime between Nov '06 and Feb '07. After that, there will be a new test with changes recommended in the report implemented. 95ers, stay in shape, remain anonymous, keep out of trouble and save your money.

Posted by: ponyboy

You have until the last day of your 35th Birthday to be signed up for the test.

Posted by: Mitpo62

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Originally Posted by ponyboy

You have until the last day of your 35th Birthday to be signed up for the test.

Curses! MIssed the #$%^&@ boat again!

Posted by: Massguy

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Originally Posted by Mitpo62

Curses! MIssed the #$%^&@ boat again!

Well here I go again.....95er here that is complete with the hiring process including the background...any new rumors spreading about the 80th RTT? I would imagine that they would have to start making some decsions on what they are going to do before this class graduates in September right???again sorry to be a pest but any word is better than no word, oh rah...

Posted by: Q5POS

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Originally Posted by Massguy

Not necessarily. Just because there's a class in at the SPA currently doesn't matter when it comes to deciding when the next class is gonna be. That just happen to be the pattern with the last three classes. Yes it would be nice becuase you have all the DI's there, the system is already in place, instructors are there, etc... I had to wait over 5 years for them to put on a class. Basically what it comes down to is money. If the job has it, there will be a class, if it doesn't, or, it steals the money to put somewhere else (which happens a lot) then no class either. Simple as that. In the meantime, don't quit your day job.

Be prepared to stand by for stand by....

Posted by: 1811

If they interview one 95er or 94er, do they interview them all? How do they select the names from each score category?

Sorry if this is common knowledge, but I'm new to the board.

Posted by: Massguy

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Originally Posted by graveyardsleeper

Anyone hear about another academy starting right when this one gets done

Any New word on a 80th RTT

Posted by: Q5POS

Yeah, the word is "no"

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Originally Posted by Massguy

Any New word on a 80th RTT

Posted by: futureMSP

I am not sure about the final budget, but the budget that is viewable on the Mass website has no line item for it.
GAA07
New State Police Classes 8100-0515 0 Discontinued appropriation.

Posted by: ponyboy

I don't know about the 80th,but I had heard a possibility for another exam in August of 2007. Of course this is just a rumor I heard.

Posted by: bosox04

Wonder how there could be an 80th or new test. All State money going to repair "Big Dig".

Posted by: tazoez

That's probably why they discontinued the funding.

Posted by: mannysaba

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Originally Posted by ponyboy

You have until the last day of your 35th Birthday to be signed up for the test.

Last day of your 35th birthday? How many days does your 35th birthday have? I would say you have up until the day before you turn 36 years old. Sorry, just being a smart ass.

Posted by: ponyboy

I actually think it's before you turn 35.

Posted by: 1811

I hear many Troopers will be retiring with the new contract. Did the State already plan for this or will they have to do more hiring?

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