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Posted by: mdaz75

Are CO's Peace Officers under Massachusetts Law?



Posted by: 94c

i would venture to guess that they are correctional officers.



Posted by: mdaz75

In New York State Corrections Officers are Peace Officers.



Posted by: 94c

In Mexico they're called El Guarda Oficial.



Posted by: SGT_GRUNT_USMC

state CO's in Massachusetts have no law enforcement authority outside the prison and very little inside the prison.Inmates run the prisons.Incoming....



Posted by: j809

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94c
In Mexico they're called El Guarda Oficial.




Posted by: fjmas1976

Quote:
Originally Posted by SGT_GRUNT_USMC
state CO's in Massachusetts have no law enforcement authority outside the prison and very little inside the prison.Inmates run the prisons.Incoming....
Here we go again...........



Posted by: County 5-0

mdaz75Are CO's Peace Officers under Massachusetts Law?



I would guess they are "Custodial Officers" versus "Peace Officers"



Posted by: mdaz75

I know it's inevitable that sarcasm will follow this post, however, are there any good points about being a Mass. CO?



Posted by: SGT_GRUNT_USMC

Quote:
Originally Posted by mdaz75
I know it's inevitable that sarcasm will follow this post, however, are there any good points about being a Mass. CO?
The view of the prison in your rear view mirror as your driving away from the institution.



Posted by: mdaz75

Common.......there must be SOME positive aspects to the job.



Posted by: fjmas1976

Quote:
Originally Posted by mdaz75
Common.......there must be SOME positive aspects to the job.




Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

remember your doing 1/4 the time the scumbag you watching!!!!

Pay for a CO is the best in the nation I believe



Posted by: mdaz75

I just moved to Mass. from NY State about a year ago and I'm trying my ass off to get a police job. I took the corrections exam in March with the expectations of having a leg up on my primary goal. Is a Mass. CO really a completely miserable existance? Is it worth begining there to get LE experience for a Police Dept?



Posted by: SGT_GRUNT_USMC

Quote:
Originally Posted by mdaz75
I just moved to Mass. from NY State about a year ago and I'm trying my ass off to get a police job. I took the corrections exam in March with the expectations of having a leg up on my primary goal. Is a Mass. CO really a completely miserable existance? Is it worth begining there to get LE experience for a Police Dept?
Yes



Posted by: SPINMASS

not a job I want, thats for damn sure, however I will never knock a CO becuase that is truly a thankless job.



Posted by: fjmas1976

Quote:
Originally Posted by SPINMASS
not a job I want, thats for damn sure, however I will never knock a CO becuase that is truly a thankless job.




Posted by: csauce777

Quote:
Originally Posted by mdaz75
Are CO's Peace Officers under Massachusetts Law?
Unlike some states, here there is no such designation as "Peace officer." California has it...people are classified as peace officers and that status helps determine their pension eligibility, and benefits based on that status and classification.



Posted by: SGT_GRUNT_USMC

Here in Nevada all law enforcement and corrections officers are designated peace officers.Nevada has a state run Peace Officers Standards and Training board (POST).
Category 1-city Police Officers,Deputy Sheriff's,and Highway Patrol troopers (full police powers on and off duty anywhere in the state of Nevada)

Category 2-Campus police,School police,Bailiffs,City Marshals,Game Wardens,Gaming agents,and other law enforcement.(police powers only within jurisdiction, for instance college campus, and only when on duty)

Category 3-Correctional Officers (whether city,county, or state)only authority in regards to care, custody, control of inmates and prison security.No power of arrest.We have a huge state prison complex here in Clark County just north of Las Vegas.When the CO's have a visitor with outstanding warrants for instance they must call Las Vegas Metro Police or Nevada Highway Patrol to conduct the investigation and make the arrest.

The good thing in Nevada unlike Mass. is that CO's get quite a bit of "professional courtesy" by other LE agencies.The Nevada DOC is a pretty professional department.CO's are also allowed off duty carry on thier badge just like Cops.I've seen state CO's at hospitals, court, and the County Jail escorting inmates.Most of the officers I've spoke to like thier jobs.Unlike MA, their pretty well equipped,bulletproof vests,Glock 22 .40 cal pistols, OC,batons,etc.They also have "gun coverage" with lethal and less lethal weapons inside the prisons (chow hall,housing units,yards,etc.).They also have
K-9 Teams and Tasers to quell disturbances and break up fights.

Here are the prisons in my area:

http://www.doc.nv.gov/hdsp/index.php

http://www.doc.nv.gov/sdcc/

http://www.doc.nv.gov/snwcc/index.php

http://www.doc.nv.gov/facilities/sncc.php



Posted by: mdaz75

I'm trying to make the best informed decision I possibly can regarding my persuit for employment with the Mass. DOC, so I have lots of questions. Here's one:
I know what the starting pay is (according to the HRD website). I also know that when you start working in an institution pay goes up with shift diff., roll call , and overtime. What can I expect a pay check to look like?



Posted by: fjmas1976

Quote:
Originally Posted by mdaz75
I'm trying to make the best informed decision I possibly can regarding my persuit for employment with the Mass. DOC, so I have lots of questions. Here's one:
I know what the starting pay is (according to the HRD website). I also know that when you start working in an institution pay goes up with shift diff., roll call , and overtime. What can I expect a pay check to look like?
The paychecks usually come in an envelope.....they're paper......white with black type...state seal,etc. They look pretty much like any other normal paycheck



Posted by: Otto

Quote:
Originally Posted by SGT_GRUNT_USMC
When the CO's have a visitor with outstanding warrants for instance they must call Las Vegas Metro Police or Nevada Highway Patrol to conduct the investigation and make the arrest.

I've seen state CO's at hospitals, court, and the County Jail escorting inmates.Most of the officers I've spoke to like thier jobs.Unlike MA, their pretty well equipped,bulletproof vests,Glock 22 .40 cal pistols, OC,batons,etc.
We have all this equipment in my county. I think it is pretty standard now, at least for the counties.



Posted by: fjmas1976

Quote:
Originally Posted by Otto
We have all this equipment in my county. I think it is pretty standard now, at least for the counties.
So what are we the red headed step-children at the DOC?



Posted by: SGT_GRUNT_USMC

Quote:
Originally Posted by Otto
We have all this equipment in my county. I think it is pretty standard now, at least for the counties.
Mass DOC still uses revolvers and doesn't have bullet proof vests, batons,OC, or tasers.
The only ones who have anything that's modern is the SRT Team.When I was there even the SRT didn't have tasers and was still using the old PR-24 batons.



Posted by: Otto

Quote:
Originally Posted by fjmas1976
So what are we the red headed step-children at the DOC?
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. I am ignorant as to the equipment you guys have, and can't speak about it.



Posted by: Delta784

As someone mentioned, there is no peace officer statute in Massachusetts.

As I see it, the main advantages of being a DOC CO are decent pay & benefits, plus the state police & most city/town police departments will "roll over" your pension contributions, meaning your time with the DOC counts towards retirement.

The main disadvantages, from talking to CO's I went to college with, are outdated equipment, sometimes poor working conditions (understaffed), and a lack of respect from some police agencies (which I'll never understand).

It wouldn't be my first choice, but if I was looking to break into LE, or simply needed a job, I'd certainly apply.



Posted by: billy108b

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
As someone mentioned, there is no peace officer statute in Massachusetts.

As I see it, the main advantages of being a DOC CO are decent pay & benefits, plus the state police & most city/town police departments will "roll over" your pension contributions, meaning your time with the DOC counts towards retirement.

The main disadvantages, from talking to CO's I went to college with, are outdated equipment, sometimes poor working conditions (understaffed), and a lack of respect from some police agencies (which I'll never understand).

It wouldn't be my first choice, but if I was looking to break into LE, or simply needed a job, I'd certainly apply.
You forgot to mention the F'd up Administation who is nothing but a lynch mob.



Posted by: mdaz75

Well, my main focus is getting a police job and I'll willing to suffer through pretty much anything to get there. If the DOC will be a helpful tool......then sighn me up.



Posted by: RPD931

Where's my boy "E"?

Anyway, my understanding is that all DOC Officers are SSPO's via the Parole board.



Posted by: fjmas1976

Quote:
Originally Posted by RPD931
Where's my boy "E"?

Anyway, my understanding is that all DOC Officers are SSPO's via the Parole board.
Yeah....but what does that really mean?



Posted by: ejk55

I am not a state trooper, police officer, peace officer, or sheriff. I don't press my uniform or shine my boots. I am a prison guard or more commonly known as a screw. My title is C.O. 1. Am I considered law enforcement? I don't care. Do I pass out toilet paper and soap? Yes. Do I go above and beyond my duties? Only if it will benefit a fellow officer or myself. If you are embarrassed of carrying a wooden handled .38... refuse the detail or be on restraints. Do I expect to be treated with "professional courtesy"? No. That is up to the officer who pulls me over. Our job is thankless, but do not look for a pat on the back from the community when we walk out of the trap. Stop worrying about what "outsiders" think and worry more about you and your fellow officers going home at night. Stop trying to change things on the inside. Remember nothing has changed since 12-31-03. This is how long we have been without a contract. In closing, does this job really suck? I had one year in and was able to buy a house and a second vehicle. I go to work hungry and tired. And most nights I leave rested and full. Be safe.



Posted by: fjmas1976

Quote:
Originally Posted by ejk55
I am not a state trooper, police officer, peace officer, or sheriff. I don't press my uniform or shine my boots. I am a prison guard or more commonly known as a screw. My title is C.O. 1. Am I considered law enforcement? I don't care. Do I pass out toilet paper and soap? Yes. Do I go above and beyond my duties? Only if it will benefit a fellow officer or myself. If you are embarrassed of carrying a wooden handled .38... refuse the detail or be on restraints. Do I expect to be treated with "professional courtesy"? No. That is up to the officer who pulls me over. Our job is thankless, but do not look for a pat on the back from the community when we walk out of the trap. Stop worrying about what "outsiders" think and worry more about you and your fellow officers going home at night. Stop trying to change things on the inside. Remember nothing has changed since 12-31-03. This is how long we have been without a contract. In closing, does this job really suck? I had one year in and was able to buy a house and a second vehicle. I go to work hungry and tired. And most nights I leave rested and full. Be safe.




Posted by: BU Observer

They are deputies, BU cops are suffolk county deputies also. If it wasnt for the suffolk county sherriff BUPD wouldnt have any law enforcement authority.



Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by BU Observer
They are deputies, BU cops are suffolk county deputies also. If it wasnt for the suffolk county sherriff BUPD wouldnt have any law enforcement authority.
Uhhhh......no.

http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/22c-63.htm



Posted by: KozmoKramer

Quote:
Originally Posted by BU Observer
They are deputies, BU cops are suffolk county deputies also. If it wasnt for the suffolk county sherriff BUPD wouldnt have any law enforcement authority.
What does this reply have to do with Corrections?



Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by ejk55
I am not a state trooper, police officer, peace officer, or sheriff. I don't press my uniform or shine my boots. I am a prison guard or more commonly known as a screw. My title is C.O. 1. Am I considered law enforcement? I don't care. Do I pass out toilet paper and soap? Yes. Do I go above and beyond my duties? Only if it will benefit a fellow officer or myself. If you are embarrassed of carrying a wooden handled .38... refuse the detail or be on restraints. Do I expect to be treated with "professional courtesy"? No. That is up to the officer who pulls me over. Our job is thankless, but do not look for a pat on the back from the community when we walk out of the trap. Stop worrying about what "outsiders" think and worry more about you and your fellow officers going home at night. Stop trying to change things on the inside. Remember nothing has changed since 12-31-03. This is how long we have been without a contract. In closing, does this job really suck? I had one year in and was able to buy a house and a second vehicle. I go to work hungry and tired. And most nights I leave rested and full. Be safe.
And this my friend is the difference between a professional corrections officer and a political deputy sheriff hack.



Posted by: fjmas1976

Quote:
Originally Posted by KozmoKramer
What does this reply have to do with Corrections?
Absolutely nothing.......that's why he rides the in the "Special" cruisers with the Suffolk wanna-be's



Posted by: Otto

Originally Posted by ejk55
... I don't press my uniform or shine my boots... Do I go above and beyond my duties? Only if it will benefit a fellow officer or myself... I go to work hungry and tired. And most nights I leave rested and full. Be safe.


Quote:
Originally Posted by 94c
And this my friend is the difference between a professional corrections officer and a political deputy sheriff hack.
That sounds professional to you?



Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

[quote=mdaz75]Well, my main focus is getting a police job and I'll willing to suffer through pretty much anything to get there.



How about unemployment and homelessness. There is a good probability you could never be called for a PO job here in Assachusetts



Posted by: mdaz75

I'm well aware of the level of difficulty involved in landing a police job. What I said still stands.......I will do whatever it takes for as long as it takes. If I don't get a job by the time I'm 90 and shitting myself I'll still be taking the tests and submitting the applications. Giving up is not an option I'll be contemplating anytime soon.



Posted by: mdaz75

That sounds professional to you?[/quote]


I was thinking the same thing





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