Originally Posted by mcarthy40

Department of Correction

Originally Posted by mcarthy40

I was finally picked for the academy starting May 22nd, this is my third try after being rejected over eye contact in the interview and voice, bunch of stupid shit but oh well I'm past it. I've heard all the rumors that they DI's treat you like shit, morning runs of 2-5miles, PT for a while after that, does anyone have real insight on what really goes on there?

Originally Posted by Bluestar

You embarrassed yourself by posting this worrisome question in the same forum where men and women have attended the MSP and or Municipal Academy. Have a clean binky ready and get a nipple for your water bottle -- It will be over before you know it, and then you will be a real -- well, er, Correction Officer! Good Luck in your real endeavor - to be a cop.

Originally Posted by federal officer

Mcarthy40 you should grow up first and then reapply because its obvious to me you are a bit immature
trust me inmates will smell you out and will manipulate you into so real shit. 19 is to young to work with convicted felons.

Originally Posted by PearlOnyx

McCarthy,

To answer your question, I attended the DOC academy five years ago. You can trust me that you will never run 5 miles. I think the most we ever ran was 2 miles, if that. We ran two days, did cals two days, and were in the Gym for a day. It wasn't difficult at all. As far as the Drill Instructors treating you like "shit", no not really. They are tough for the first two weeks or so, and then it all lets up. The tests are very easy. I think the worst part from me was driving from the North Shore to Medfield every day.

On another note, just a little advice take it or leave it. It's very easy to find out who someone is on here. You're not making a very good impression for yourself. As far as "eye contact during interview and voice", that "stupid shit" really tells alot about how you'll speak to people, and how you carry yourself, and that is 90% of what you do as a Corrections Officer...speak to people. Those stupid MA rules are in place for a reason, and I think most will agree they serve a purpose.

Originally Posted by KozmoKramer

I cannot belive the Massachusetts DOC has to accept into their ranks a 19YO kid.
What has prompted this lack of enthusiasm for the job?
Back in 96' I went to sign the book and get an application and there had to be a couple of hundred guys there for 20 slots at CJ.

Originally Posted by fjmas1976

Most of it has to do with the lack of respect there is for Correction Officers. Just take a look at some of the comments against CO's on this thread and this site.....and this is a site that is supposed to be supportive of ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. A lot of town/city PO's have no respect for CO's and what they do on a daily basis. However...... I would love to send them into Cedar Junction with no gun,spray, or any other weapon and see how quickly their outlook changes. We should be respectful of all LE officers, no matter where or how they are serving.

Originally Posted by fjmas1976

Most of it has to do with the lack of respect there is for Correction Officers. Just take a look at some of the comments against CO's on this thread and this site.....and this is a site that is supposed to be supportive of ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. A lot of town/city PO's have no respect for CO's and what they do on a daily basis. However...... I would love to send them into Cedar Junction with no gun,spray, or any other weapon and see how quickly their outlook changes. We should be respectful of all LE officers, no matter where or how they are serving.

Originally Posted by Bluestar

First of all, COs are not Law Enforcement Officers. A CO is not even a Correctional Officer, but is in actuality a GUARD. These men and women, in all due respect, GUARD prisoners - they do not CORRECT them, nor do they enforce the law. Guards enforce the rules of the institution. By the way, I speak as a former Prison Guard.

Originally Posted by Bluestar

First of all, COs are not Law Enforcement Officers. A CO is not even a Correctional Officer, but is in actuality a GUARD. These men and women, in all due respect, GUARD prisoners - they do not CORRECT them, nor do they enforce the law. Guards enforce the rules of the institution. By the way, I speak as a former Prison Guard.

Originally Posted by fjmas1976

Most of it has to do with the lack of respect there is for Correction Officers. Just take a look at some of the comments against CO's on this thread and this site.....and this is a site that is supposed to be supportive of ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. A lot of town/city PO's have no respect for CO's and what they do on a daily basis. However...... I would love to send them into Cedar Junction with no gun,spray, or any other weapon and see how quickly their outlook changes. We should be respectful of all LE officers, no matter where or how they are serving.

Originally Posted by SGT_GRUNT_USMC

I was a CO for over 5 years and worked both Walpole (Cedar Junction) and SBCC and hated every minute of it.I am a Police Officer now in one of the best and busiest police departments in America and I absolutely love my job.In defense of CO's I will say it is a thankless,dirty, job that has to be done by someone.There are also a lot of very good people that are working as CO's.When I first graduated the academy I thought I was a "law enforcement officer".It didn't take long working at Walpole to learn that I was just a guard.
What did I hate about the job?Dealing with the absolute scum of the Earth every day and seeing management cater to them and screw over CO's every day.The complete lack of professionalism in the department from the personal appearance of many CO's to the
piss poor training and equipment.The lack of respect afforded CO's by the inmates,the administration, the media, and the public.Having to mop tiers,serve inmates food, and collect up thier trash in the Segregation units and during lockdowns while the sh*tbags laugh at you.Now that's Law Enforcment!Getting investagated by the administration because I said "NO" to an inmate or "disrespected" him.Seeing officers getting violently assaulted by inmates with feces,urine, and blood and nothing happens to the inmate.Getting forced on overtime on Christmas Day so that inmates (Sh*tbags) can have visits.The total lack of advancement or opportunity for specialized assignments in the DOC.The only ones who get on the K-9 unit or IPS are the k*ss asses.I could go on and on.Plus the job is so boring and mundane most of the time.
In closing,I don't consider CO's to be law enforcement because they don't enforce laws, they enforce (when they're allowed to) prison rules.As a CO I never enforced Mass General Laws or made a traffic stop or arrested anyone.CO's are public safety as they do keep the scumbags locked up.If they are LE, then why is is when a serious crime or escape occurs do the Massachusetts State Police investigate?I hope I didn't offend anyone here,but I just tell it as I see it.

Semper Fi,

Originally Posted by sempergumby

In all of our perfession LEO CO SSPO or SP there will always be the 10%. The 10% that makes us all look like shit. They will always be there. Rise above them. That is the only way to beat them and the image they project.

Originally Posted by Barbrady

As a CO I know my place in LE. (I don't presume to be a cop). It may be at the end of the LE spectrum but a LE function nonetheless. Except, I don't need the pat on the back or recognition from the public.

SGT_Grunt_Usmc has it most accurate, with the battle being more with admin than inmate population, too bad he forgot where he came from.

Bluestar, doesn't have a clue. If he worked as a prison guard before he should know that we do "correct" them, everyday. But, yes, mostly guarding them for the public. Thats what we were sworn to do. We correct them from attempting to escape, assaulting other inmates and staff,.......................etc. If you guys never enforced a MGL than you were not doing your job. Think about it.

Again, I know my place with this job and am proud with my service......and I probably make more money than you as a guard.

Originally Posted by Barbrady

Lol, trust me. You did not hurt my feelings. Apparently, the inmates hurt yours. Remember this, in MA they don't care about their PO's either. Enjoy Nevada bro.

I'm not trying to make this personal, you are. By the way, isn't there a big stink in Vegas about the CO's making more than the PO's?

Originally Posted by nirtallica

Just to let youknow,Sgt Grunt was a squared away CO. Trust me,the inmates did not hurt his feelings. You seem to be the one making this personal. I am a Trooper now and leaving the DOC was the best decision I made.I think you are just bitter because you are stuck and can't get out.By the way, WE JUST GOT A 19% RAISE.What did the state offer you 2,3,2. Big f***in deal. I guess the state does care about PO's. Enjoy your life at the DOC.

Originally Posted by Barbrady

Weeeeelllllll, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings Trooper. Please don't forget where you came from. I'm not bitter, giggle, giggle. And we have been working without a contract for several years now but I did not get into LE for the money. Did you?

...And do tell, why you got such a raise.

Originally Posted by nirtallica

Because the state cares about its PO's.And I would like to forget where I came from so I can forget how miserable I used to be.

Originally Posted by Barbrady

Ok, than just forget about it Flaherty

Originally Posted by Barbrady

Ok, than just forget about it Flaherty

Originally Posted by SGT_GRUNT_USMC

Trust me Nirtallica is not flaherty....get off the computer and get out on the tier and go back to handing out sh*t paper and the Boston Herald to convicted child killers, rapists and drug dealers GUARD.Hey also, Cell # 16 needs a phone call.

Originally Posted by SGT_GRUNT_USMC

Trust me Nirtallica is not flaherty....get off the computer and get out on the tier and go back to handing out sh*t paper and the Boston Herald to convicted child killers, rapists and drug dealers GUARD.Hey also, Cell # 16 needs a phone call.

Originally Posted by nirtallica

Don't forget that the cons in DDU get 15 minute showers, no less. Don't skimp on the rec time either. And by the way, Barbrady shouldn't be thowing people's names out .

Originally Posted by Barbrady

Weeeeelllllll, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings Trooper. Please don't forget where you came from. I'm not bitter, giggle, giggle. And we have been working without a contract for several years now but I did not get into LE for the money. Did you?

...And do tell, why you got such a raise.

Originally Posted by Barbrady

Weeeeelllllll, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings Trooper. Please don't forget where you came from. I'm not bitter, giggle, giggle. And we have been working without a contract for several years now but I did not get into LE for the money. Did you?

...And do tell, why you got such a raise.

Originally Posted by Barbrady

Don't use your MDT for personal use like this, go do some "real cop" work and pick up some OT tonight so you can catch up to the CO's. I have weekends off.

Originally Posted by Barbrady

Oh, boo hoo nirtallica. Go out and chase down those infractions tonight. Have a good time and remember the State cares about you, especially the citizens. Pat yourself on the back for me.

Originally Posted by nirtallica

Lets see, I make more than you, the state gives me a car with a gas card and pike pass. All my equipment is issued from the state. I work a 4/2 schedule. I don't have to worry about time off because I can take a personal day anytime I need to. I don't have to put in five days in advance and suck some balls for a day off. I get to see real human beings. I can get coffee whenever I want. I can stop by my home for lunch and see my family since I live in my patrol area. I get to see daylight. I am part of a union that gets results and doesn't sell out. I am treated like a responsible adult by my supervisors and peers. I don't have captains and administrators constantly babysitting me and trying to screw me. I don't work with rats and buddyf@8*ers all day long. Did I mention that I make more money than you without breaking a sweat. There are always details available. I have the quinn bill. I have the 25/75. I could go on and on but my hands are getting tired and I have to get some sleep at some point. Have a great career in the Dept. Of Erections! And I will pat myself on the back. Hell I will even have a frosty one and toast the greatest law enforcement agency in the nation, The Massachusetts State Police!

Originally Posted by SGT_GRUNT_USMC

Too bad your not in law enforcement.. your an overpaid babysitting "staff member"
We just got an 18% raise.Too bad your union sucks.

Originally Posted by billy108b

You say you didn't get into Law Enforcement for the money yet you make reference to making more money than Police in every post. Speaking from someone who has done both jobs(Corrections and Police work). I promise you I make far more money now than I did when I was a CO. And that's without any OT or details. The job is far better that's why you see CO's leaving the DOC all the time for Police jobs. Even police jobs that don't pay as much. It's well worth it, trust me. The schedule is better, you can take time off when ever you want. The management is is no where near as bad as the DOC and there is no comparison when it comes to the working conditions. You deserve to get paid well because your job sucks and your department sucks to work for. But as I said before you don't make more than most Police Deparments and you never will.

Originally Posted by nirtallica

Lets see, I make more than you, the state gives me a car with a gas card and pike pass. All my equipment is issued from the state. I work a 4/2 schedule. I don't have to worry about time off because I can take a personal day anytime I need to. I don't have to put in five days in advance and suck some balls for a day off. I get to see real human beings. I can get coffee whenever I want. I can stop by my home for lunch and see my family since I live in my patrol area. I get to see daylight. I am part of a union that gets results and doesn't sell out. I am treated like a responsible adult by my supervisors and peers. I don't have captains and administrators constantly babysitting me and trying to screw me. I don't work with rats and buddyf@8*ers all day long. Did I mention that I make more money than you without breaking a sweat. There are always details available. I have the quinn bill. I have the 25/75. I could go on and on but my hands are getting tired and I have to get some sleep at some point. Have a great career in the Dept. Of Erections! And I will pat myself on the back. Hell I will even have a frosty one and toast the greatest law enforcement agency in the nation, The Massachusetts State Police!

Originally Posted by SGT_GRUNT_USMC

Nirtallica: Well said partner....watch out for those speeding CO's and Deputy Sheriffs...they're a menace on the roadway and they have no EVOC training!!Enjoy that frosty one tonight.See you in a few weeks.

Barbrady: Cell 13 wants his AIDS meds..go get the nurse!They also need a strip search down at booking!Your #23 on the early out list.

Originally Posted by Barbrady

Dude, you couldn't even get a police job in Mass. so you left for an agency that beg for people. Does not impress me. I am happy for you though.

Originally Posted by SGT_GRUNT_USMC

Barbrady: Cell 27 needs to you pass a magazine to cell 15

Originally Posted by badboys1517

The DOC sucks. Inmates suck, the adminstration sucks, the hours suck, a 5 & 2 schedule sucks, forced OT every other day sucks, never getting time off sucks, strip searches suck, the training sucks, pretty much everything about the job sucks. The only thing I liked about the DOC was the guys I worked with, other than that, the job sucked ass. I did it for a few years and am glad I got the hell out. Being a cop is 100x better than being a screw. If I had to do it all over again, I probably would have stayed in construction instead of the DOC. It's a dangerous, boring, thankless job. Who in their right mind likes being locked up for 8 hours or more with pieces of shit? I'll take driving around in a cruiser, making arrests, booking accidents, & conducting investigations anyday. I may make less in base pay than I did when I was a CO, but I still bring home far more money as a cop without breaking my balls. And yes I did work the blocks, and No, I'm not scared of inmates. I've just moved on to bigger & better things.

Originally Posted by Barbrady

That tells me alot about you. You were scared of the inmates and would actually pass for them. Well, atleast now you carry a gun, do you feel secure now?

I think you dyslexic are too.

Originally Posted by fjmas1976

All this bickering and personal attacks......why don't we just respect the job everyone here does. What does it matter if you are behind the wall in the DOC, behind a desk in a PD or in a cruiser? We're all part of the same team and we all bust our balls at whatever part of LE we are in.

Originally Posted by Barbrady

As a CO I know my place in LE. (I don't presume to be a cop). It may be at the end of the LE spectrum but a LE function nonetheless. Except, I don't need the pat on the back or recognition from the public.

SGT_Grunt_Usmc has it most accurate, with the battle being more with admin than inmate population, too bad he forgot where he came from.

Bluestar, doesn't have a clue. If he worked as a prison guard before he should know that we do "correct" them, everyday. But, yes, mostly guarding them for the public. Thats what we were sworn to do. We correct them from attempting to escape, assaulting other inmates and staff,.......................etc. If you guys never enforced a MGL than you were not doing your job. Think about it.

Again, I know my place with this job and am proud with my service......and I probably make more money than you as a guard.

Originally Posted by SGT_GRUNT_USMC

Give me a break dude...you have no idea...it's alot tougher to have to take a suspect who's looking at serious time into custody (and who may be armed)than it is to be babysit the same bad guy in the controlled environment of a prison or jail.On the streets there is the unknown and a Police Officer has to be able to make a split second decision right away,sometimes a life or death decision.In Corrections you can always (you must in the MA DOC) call a supervisor to make a decision.Remember, I know,I've done both jobs.
As far as firearms, what do you know...you don't even carry one on the job except on the rare tower duty or hospital trip when you carry that old rusty .38 six shooter that you probably don't even know how to use.A firearm is just one tool that a policeman has.Remember unlike the prison...the bad guys on the streets have guns and they are not afraid to use them.A Police Officer has to be able to make the decision about what tool to use in a split second(firearm,OC,baton,taser,less lethal shotgun,etc.).

Originally Posted by nirtallica

Hey asswipe, who was the one that started the personal attacks? You can't come on here and start to attack people and their points of view without some backlash. Go back to the voy forums where you belong. Nobody on here is bashing any individual CO or their place in the Criminal Justice system. I have all the respect in the world for the Corrections Officer job, doesn't mean that I liked it. I still have friends that are CO's. I don't look down on them or what they do. The job sucked PERIOD! Tell me one good thing about being a CO. If you actually like your job, you have to be on drugs or a suckpump that is soooo hooked up and doesn't even work blocks. Which is it? What institution do you work at anyway? Do tell!

Originally Posted by Barbrady

Wow, if you consider that a personal attack than you must ultra sensitive. The inmates must have sniffed you out quickly. Everyone of your posts sound juvenile. Now that I'm a cop.......I drive a car with blue lights and sirens.....and......and get to drive in the fast lane.....and.....and people get out of my way and stuff, and I get free coffee at Dunkin Donuts. Nirtallica, you pop onto these posts with nothing but negativity bro, are you really happy with your new job or just a miserable person. Barbrady, out.

Originally Posted by nirtallica

You still haven't answered my questions. I am not negative, I just tell it like it is!

Originally Posted by futureMSP

"All this bickering and personal attacks......why don't we just respect the job everyone here does. What does it matter if you are behind the wall in the DOC, behind a desk in a PD or in a cruiser? We're all part of the same team and we all bust our balls at whatever part of LE we are in. "

I think this post above was supposed to end the bickering. Barbrady you could have left it alone but you had to justify your actions to the above post. Give me a break. Then at the end calling them high speed heroes? Take a second before you start attacking me and think about who is being juvenile.

Originally Posted by Barbrady

FutureMsP, I understand where you are coming from. But, like I said, I knew these guys before they got into policing. They have the right to talk about how shitty the job is if thats the way they perceived it. I am simply saying its what you make of it and they came to work with bad attitudes. Just take what they say with a grain of salt.

Originally Posted by nirtallica

I never came to work with a bad attitude. I worked units pretty much my whole time in the DOC. I rarely got score posts. I had good sick time and never got written up for anything. I got along well with just about everyone. I have friends that are regular screws, on the SRT, IPS and rank. If my attitude was that bad, it would have reared its ugly head at some point and I would not be where I am today. I wanted a better life for myself and family and I wanted to be part of, what I consider, the best law enforcement agency in the country. I am certain that if you had an oppurtunity to leave, you would have the same view in your rear view mirror as I do. I am not going to compare apples and oranges anymore. I have made my points, take them or leave them. If you don't agree, that's fine. If you are proud of being a CO, good for you but if you want to continue with your personal attacks, you just continue to re-enforce my points. Stay safe in whatever institution you work in. Code 17

Originally Posted by SGT_GRUNT_USMC

All right enough is enough.I don't how this started, but it's gotten way out of hand.The longest thread in the history of Corrections at Masscops.com!I am close personal friends with Nirtallica and we both worked together as CO's and share pretty much the same view points from shared experiences.Maybe I got out of hand and was disrespectful to some of the CO's still on the job.Yes I hated the job of a CO and always wanted to be a Cop.Yes I hated the liberal punk as* administration and punk as*s inmates.Yes I hated the widespread nepotism and favoritism.Yes I hated the forced overtime.Yes the job was very humiliating at times and overall just sucked.I'm not going to apologize about how much the job and department sucked.But I will apologize to being disrepectful to the officers ,some of whom I still keep in touch with, although most of my friends left to become cops.I guess "cop wannabes" stick together.Now we're not wannabes anymore.
I am very proud to be a Police Officer in the finest law enforcement agency in the nation, the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.I had to go through 23 weeks of police academy training and 19 weeks of field training evaluation to get where I am today and we lost more than 30% of my class in the process.
But I do respect the good CO's that are out there that do their jobs everday despite all the adversity.And yes my experience as a CO has helped make me a better cop especially when dealing with suspects.My bi*thc with the department is not with the CO's themselves.For those of you future CO's out there,If you want a decent paying job with benefits and retirement then go for it.If your looking to do police work then stay away.

Code 4 and be safe in there.

Originally Posted by federal officer

Mcarthy40 you should grow up first and then reapply because its obvious to me you are a bit immature
trust me inmates will smell you out and will manipulate you into so real shit. 19 is to young to work with convicted felons.

Originally Posted by Barbrady

Copy that. Well said, and stay safe.

Originally Posted by KozmoKramer

Without opening up a can of worms; can someone shed some light on what exactly a "Supers Pick" is and why so many line officers dont like the policy?

I imagine from the expression it means the Supt. of an institution picks "Joe Blow" for a good gig regardless of the seniority ranking. Am I on target?

Originally Posted by bozco

You are correct. Positions like locksmith, armorer, tool control etc. are non biddable. Each Superintendant is provided a certain number of "pics" based on the staffing of the institution. I forget what the exact ratio is. Generally the theory is that these positions including the Inmate Protective Service (IPS) require a certain amount of special skill to perform. As a result the superintendant will post the position and "interview" candidates for the position. It is good in theory but in practice it gets ugly. Usually everyone already knows who will get the job, and most of the time it's someones "kid". I have seen it go both ways, sometimes the best qualified candidate gets it and other times the least qualified.

Originally Posted by bozco

You are correct. Positions like locksmith, armorer, tool control etc. are non biddable. Each Superintendant is provided a certain number of "pics" based on the staffing of the institution. I forget what the exact ratio is. Generally the theory is that these positions including the Inmate Protective Service (IPS) require a certain amount of special skill to perform. As a result the superintendant will post the position and "interview" candidates for the position. It is good in theory but in practice it gets ugly. Usually everyone already knows who will get the job, and most of the time it's someones "kid". I have seen it go both ways, sometimes the best qualified candidate gets it and other times the least qualified.

Originally Posted by KozmoKramer

I thought IPS was "Inner Perimeter Security"???

Originally Posted by billy108b

I know it was called the "Inner Perimeter Security" team when I was a CO.

Originally Posted by fjmas1976

It was an attempt at a joke.......meaning that they do more to help the inmates than they do us CO's

Originally Posted by SGT_GRUNT_USMC

Nirtallica: Well said partner....watch out for those speeding CO's and Deputy Sheriffs...they're a menace on the roadway and they have no EVOC training!!Enjoy that frosty one tonight.See you in a few weeks.

Barbrady: Cell 13 wants his AIDS meds..go get the nurse!They also need a strip search down at booking!Your #23 on the early out list.

Originally Posted by federal officer

I was stopped yesterday morning rt 2 west bound 82 miles an hour. I just left work after my fourth double bastard got me for 100 bananas. F**K.

Originally Posted by federal officer

I was stopped yesterday morning rt 2 west bound 82 miles an hour. I just left work after my fourth double bastard got me for 100 bananas. F**K.

Originally Posted by SGT_GRUNT_USMC

No professional courtesy?Did you have your gun and badge with you?

Originally Posted by federal officer

Hey, you what I was the one speeding I would have liked alittle professional courtesy

the trooper didnt want to hear the time of day, short sweet and to the point. I was in uniform and dam tired just lookin to get home to sleep.

Originally Posted by SGT_GRUNT_USMC

Maybe the trooper didn't even know you were a CO.The MA DOC uniforms are familiar to Troopers but the BOP uniforms don't look like the traditional police style uniform.Maybe he thought you were a security guard.No offense.Isn't the BOP uniform gray pants,white shirt and just a patch on the sleeve?Unless they changed it.That being said, personally, I give professional courtesy to CO's,Cop's, Firemen,and military personnel.

Originally Posted by fjmas1976

Security Guard? In BDU's? W/a big Department of Corrections patch? Maybe it was just a guy with either no respect for CO's or just loves nailing them when he can. (No offense Sgt. Grunt)

Originally Posted by SGT_GRUNT_USMC

I'm not talking about the Massachusetts Department of Corrections uniform.The MA DOC BDU uniform is pretty recognizable.It looks pretty sharp when worn properly (i.e. uniform pressed, boots bloused and shined,duty belt worn, etc.)I'm referring to the federal Bureau of Prisons uniform that federal officer was wearing when pulled over by the Trooper.

Originally Posted by SGT_GRUNT_USMC

Maybe the trooper didn't even know you were a CO.The MA DOC uniforms are familiar to Troopers but the BOP uniforms don't look like the traditional police style uniform.Maybe he thought you were a security guard.No offense.Isn't the BOP uniform gray pants,white shirt and just a patch on the sleeve?Unless they changed it.That being said, personally, I give professional courtesy to CO's,Cop's, Firemen,and military personnel.