| Originally Posted by pcbme I did fingerprint twice. The first one was done on a paper card (all fingers). The second one was pretty hi-tech, done via a fingerprint reader/scanner type of device connecting to a PC (index finger of right hand only). I guess the print that needs a few week to check must be that low-tech paper one. |
| Originally Posted by pcbme As I learned that MIRCS is fully computerized -- it is hard for me to believe that it could take more than 30 minutes for a computer to search all relevant records for the firearm licensing purpose. The town PD told me that it might take between 1 to 3 months to issue a LTC. Where does the time spend? |
| Originally Posted by chief801 What's the rush...although you may be a good guy, let the appropriate screenings take place so the bad guys don't get the license. A major reason why security really sucks in the U.S. is that the average citizen is sooooo damn impatient. Policies are set not to inconvenience them. You are not requesting a library card...you are requesting a license to carry a firearm, which is an AWESOME responsibility. Allow the authorities the appropriate amount of time to ensure your safety as well as the rest of the general public. |
| Originally Posted by chief801 What's the rush...although you may be a good guy, let the appropriate screenings take place so the bad guys don't get the license. A major reason why security really sucks in the U.S. is that the average citizen is sooooo damn impatient. Policies are set not to inconvenience them. You are not requesting a library card...you are requesting a license to carry a firearm, which is an AWESOME responsibility. Allow the authorities the appropriate amount of time to ensure your safety as well as the rest of the general public. |
| Originally Posted by SOT_II Come on now, do you think the background checks in MA will stop a criminal from carrying a gun? These "polices" aren't "protecting" the general public...because the guys that are going to commit a crime with a gun aren't following the application process. Just look at the brilliance of the Pittsfield process...very few if any people get ALP, and how much gun crime is there? (LOTS)....Are the people that are committing the gun crimes licensed? No. Is the gun crime related to illegal drugs? Yes. But oddly the law abiding citizens who take the classes, go through the paperwork process (PS Pittsfield's application is like 20 pages long...not your normal 4 pager), pay the $100 and wait to get a restricted license...are being "protected how/' Short version...if in MA we have to go through the process...the answer should be, you pass the BC, you SHALL be issued an unrestricted license...that would be the "most fair" for a BS process. |
| Originally Posted by chief801 You are taking the example to the extreme. I realize hard core criminals aren't applying for licenses. But there are still people whose backgrounds show a history of poor judgement or minor criminal infractions that would lead a reasonable person to not want that individual to carry a weapon. Those are the one's we are screening for. |
| Originally Posted by pcbme alright - I buy the concept of stricter checking making the public safer. |
| Originally Posted by Curious EMT I've got a few other things you can buy too..... |
| Originally Posted by SOT_II No you are "screening" all people, not just those that have committed minor infractions of the law. You are putting the burden of licensure on all people, not just those that might not be desirable.So what happens when one does meet the requirements of the background check, one can still be denied the ability to carry concealed...to what end? To protect them from whom? Why not test everyone's DNA for the good of the people? Why not incarcerate all the good people for their own protection and let the criminals run free unencumbered by restriction and licensure. Short version, In MA most gun crimes in are committed by people with no license and during another illegal act. That is the majority not the minority...that is the average not the extreme. A reasonable person would expect to be able to protect themselves without undue interference from the Gov't. |
| Originally Posted by dave7336 In MA, there is an appeals process if you are denied a LTC...not saying you will win the appeal, but you do have that right. |
| Originally Posted by dave7336 In MA, there is an appeals process if you are denied a LTC...not saying you will win the appeal, but you do have that right. |
| But back to the point, all the checking and all the paperwork and all the appeals mean nothing because the CRIMINAL does not participate in the process. Even if a criminal was denied a permit, do you think that's going to stop them from getting a gun? |
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