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Posted by: DOD/272

http://www.masscops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12864
Copied discussion thread to correct forum.


Posted by: EOD1

good to see they finally listed it.


Posted by: RPD931

How is this place in a nutshell?


Posted by: j809

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In this position you will serve as Traffic Accident Investigator/Police Officer with primary responsibility for law enforcement, accident investigation, crime prevention, community relations and traffic control.
Righhhhtttt.
You better like manning the shack. Good bunch of guys, very very little property to patrol about 5% of Devens. MSP C-9 parol the other 95%.


Posted by: SPO123

Know someone who used to be there...use as a stepping stone. They don't send you to a FT MPTC academy, you get a Fed academy...doesn't do much for you in MA. They have no resident Chief ... err Chief is in like NJ or something....guess that could be a good thing. Heard most officers are ok... but don't quit your day job thinking this would help you out...


Posted by: RPD931

What do they do most of the time?


Posted by: FedCop

The job is pretty good, but your typical shift consists of 50% gate duty and 50% patrol duty. As a new officer working the night shift, you will have no problem making $47,000 in the first year. The shifts are 12 hours in length and every officer gets every second weekend off (Friday, Saturday & Sunday). It is a good place to start or finish your police career. Also, contrary to what the announcement states, Devens is hiring 5 officers in this round.


Posted by: dsm290

Wait til DOD Natick hires,....don't ask when!!


Posted by: BlackOps

RPD931, Please don't apply for another job!! Who the hell would run our ever-sucessful Domestic Violence Task Force??!!!???!!!


Posted by: RPD931

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackOps
RPD931, Please don't apply for another job!! Who the hell would run our ever-sucessful Domestic Violence Task Force??!!!???!!!
You! That way you'll get you're glow in the dark.... nevermind.


Posted by: KML161

Any truth to the DOD's doing roadjobs?


Posted by: DOD/272

Quote:
Originally Posted by KML161
Any truth to the DOD's doing roadjobs?
Devens guys have done details for some of the local PDs


Posted by: DPD6860

Devens DOD Police is a good gig, great bunch of officers. The supervisor there is awesome, he will do anything for you. They occassionally do assist some of the local pd's and they do details when called upon from the surrounding towns. The starting pay and benefits are good. Not a bad way to make a little over $46,000 without breaking a sweat, that includes night diff, shift change pay and sunday premium pay.


Posted by: DOD/272

with 5 new hires the gate time will be greatly reduced to a couple hrs/shift.

How can you bitch assuming you come in at a GS6 step 1 over nights you will do $47k/without the need to do any OT. Plus govt benefits. Every other weekend off. If you want OT it comes up sick call, vacations etc. We also get called for details from local towns. its a good family here.


Posted by: bap27

Whats the FED academy like? How long is the hiring process? I just did the self nominate form so now I just wait!!


Posted by: DOD/272

Quote:
Originally Posted by bap27
Whats the FED academy like? How long is the hiring process? I just did the self nominate form so now I just wait!!
Due to what it costs we do not attend FLETC. Some have attended Aberdeen Proving Grounds, MD (DOD Police Acedemy) I am told its in line with MA Full time training and some the MCJTC Reserve/Intermittent.

The job will be posted til 4/3/06

You posted your resume and info on USAJOBS or Army CPOL. then when you make it through the filter at OPM (they look for key words in your application) then your info is sent to the Chief at Ft. Dix.


Posted by: DOD6826

Okay let’s set some facts here about the job....



If you want to play cops and robbers then this is not the place to go.

Now if you want a job that you will enjoy going to each day then this is the place...



In the past 3 years we have gone from having nothing to moving up to 13 police officers and we are schedule for more in 2008. We will have a new police department come this summer with locker rooms sleeping compartment and training room. We will be getting 3 new police vehicles along with a new SUV this coming fall. In Oct 06 we will be come our own police department and not rely on Ft. Dix. This means more money and a true budget.

All officers no matter if you are on the force for 1 week or 10 years has Friday, Saturday and Sunday off every other week.



You have all your uniforms paid for including gun belt and weapon. We have a bike patrol if you like to ride the bicycles; we have 2 snowmobiles if you like to patrol like that. We have up coming events like a police softball tournament and every year all the officers attend a summer party for only DOD officers and a Christmas Party that everyone attends.

The officers that work with me are really a bunch of good guys and I try to bring a family type setting to the work force. You also get paid approximately 46,000 or more depending on night shift dif pay or Sunday pay,



I see someone here said wait for Natick, well if you want to work for a place that has too many chiefs and no Indians go for it. Everyone here at Divans is part of a team and everyone works in a team concept. We might not have the money that Natick has but we do a lot more Police work during the spring and summer months. With the new Commander and CSM they have added more army, navy, Marines and now coast guard personnel who will be coming to our location. We handle all types of case from Sexual assaults, to traffic, domestic calls, and breach of the peace. And so on.



In closing I have worked as a police officer for 23 years, in local and county Law enforcement. After all the crap that Police officers have to put up with now a days, this is a great job for good pay and yes we even get to work off duty details thanks to the local Police departments.. If you want to handle 30 calls a week 20 arrests a month 200 traffic tickets a month then this IS NOT YOUR PLACE.



But if you are into Community Policing and want to help your Country by protecting US soldiers and likes to work in a team concept. This is the place for you.



OH last word: With the added amount of officers you will only be working the gate 25% of the time. We have also had in the works next year to bring on a Security force to work the gate and then all you will have to do is patrol and help enforce FP Con measures.



Thanks for taking the time to read and if you have any questions please feel free to contact me> go to DEVENS.ARMY.MIL then look for the DOD Police website and you will see my email address.




Posted by: DOD6826

Quote:
Originally Posted by bap27
Whats the FED academy like? How long is the hiring process? I just did the self nominate form so now I just wait!!
the job posted is april 3 or 4th after that you should hear from someone within 10 days


Posted by: DOD6826

Quote:
Originally Posted by dsm290
Wait til DOD Natick hires,....don't ask when!!
sure wait till Natick Hires, even with all the money Natck still does not have the are or work load Devens has Good luck


Posted by: DOD6826

I sit here reading some of the postings, and I really can not believe some of the remarks.



For one thing what ever happen to officers spending their entire career at one department? Oh crap that’s right we are like Baseball players we get a better offer and make the move and never bat over 1.95 again.



Lets weight the facts... do I go to work every night putting up with crap from my supervisors and the dirt bags and the local townies for 12.00 - 18.00 an hr or



Start at $ 22.51 an hour>>>>



do I go to work where everyone on our post loves the Police, the officers all get a long and the supervisor lets you do police work and does not look over your shoulder every 10 minutes,. Where you have less of a chance to get shot at... where you go to work in the winter time and ride snowmobiles, and in the summer you ride bikes, Oh and I get every other riday and Saturday and Sunday off.



OH I think I will take the DOD job....




Posted by: Beowolf

Thanks for the info. Sounds like a good place to work and has some future progress to look forward to. For us former (0083's), does devens pay last highest grade if you were higher than a 6/1 or is that something the selecting official decides?

im surprised to see them hiring 5, that seems high but a good thing especially in this time of budgetary constraints


Posted by: DOD6826

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beowolf
Thanks for the info. Sounds like a good place to work and has some future progress to look forward to. For us former (0083's), does devens pay last highest grade if you were higher than a 6/1 or is that something the selecting official decides?

im surprised to see them hiring 5, that seems high but a good thing especially in this time of budgetary constraints
We have a guy who came in from another location and he was a US Marshall so he came in as a GS 6 (

We laso get Law enforcement pay... which is higher then the normal GS rating


Posted by: SPO123

Sounds like a good gig...i know a former municipal LT that would like the chiefs job there...i'll email her. She has full academy, bachelor's 20 yrs on the job. Umm...there is a chief's job right???


Posted by: Beowolf

Quote:
Originally Posted by SPO123
Sounds like a good gig...i know a former municipal LT that would like the chiefs job there...i'll email her. She has full academy, bachelor's 20 yrs on the job. Umm...there is a chief's job right???
Having worked for the G in the past, a 20 yr vet w/ a degree and supervisory LE probably would get bored w/ this type of position. Plus, the G often hires "lesser" qualified people as they sometimes dont want to hire someone who was pro LE and supportive of their subordinates as they often want people to be loyal to mngt first, then the agency and then lastly, the patrol officer. Unfortunately this is a truth. I know of 1 federal agency who interviewed 2 people to be chief, 1 was a retired provost marshal who oversaw all the LE functions for the base, the other was an in-house employee w/ a GED, guess who got the job...


Posted by: DOD6826

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beowolf
Having worked for the G in the past, a 20 yr vet w/ a degree and supervisory LE probably would get bored w/ this type of position. Plus, the G often hires "lesser" qualified people as they sometimes dont want to hire someone who was pro LE and supportive of their subordinates as they often want people to be loyal to mngt first, then the agency and then lastly, the patrol officer. Unfortunately this is a truth. I know of 1 federal agency who interviewed 2 people to be chief, 1 was a retired provost marshal who oversaw all the LE functions for the base, the other was an in-house employee w/ a GED, guess who got the job...
1st. of all you are half right and half wrong. Before 9/11 you are right I came on after 9/11 I have 23 years as a police officer and I have a degree. Next 98% of my guys are more then qualified and are over qualified for this job. I do have a couple that was hired right after 9/11 when they needed bodies. If it was today they would not have been hired.

You say you know 1 federal agency well this is not the agency as of OCT 2006 any Officer hired by DOD will have to attend The Federal Police Academy and will have to pass a PT test each year to keep their job.



Last you’re wrong about the loyal management I am in charge if this Police department and I are not loyal to anyone but my guys. If you are not Loyal to your officers then you should not be in this job....Once again someone speaking about something he/she has no clue about and something he/she unless they know 100% about the installation not say anything. Last I am what you call a PRO LE and I have work as a street cop in the highest crime areas in the state of Fla. and at one time the highest crime in the US.

you do not speak the truth because of the 8 officers I have I have a former Police officer from Mass, a former U.S. Marshall, a Former Federal Corrections officer, I can go on.

Also if my guys were not qualified then lets see, I have lost several officers to the following agency's Mass State Police, Shirley PD, Fitchburg PD. Boston PD,


I sorry if I am going on and on but it is a knock to my guys and myself. SEE I AM LOYAL TO MY GUYS


Posted by: SPO123

"1st. of all you are half right and half wrong. Before 9/11 you are right I came on after 9/11 I have 23 years as a police officer and I have a degree. Next 98% of my guys are more then qualified and are over qualified for this job. I do have a couple that was hired right after 9/11 when they needed bodies. If it was today they would not have been hired. "
Hmm...sounds like loyalty to me...

"You say you know 1 federal agency well this is not the agency as of OCT 2006 any Officer hired by DOD will have to attend The Federal Police Academy and will have to pass a PT test each year to keep their job." Hmm...even more loyal to defending his officers...

Last you’re wrong about the loyal management I am in charge if this Police department and I are not loyal to anyone but my guys. If you are not Loyal to your officers then you should not be in this job....Once again someone speaking about something he/she has no clue about and something he/she unless they know 100% about the installation not say anything. Last I am what you call a PRO LE and I have work as a street cop in the highest crime areas in the state of Fla. and at one time the highest crime in the US.
"I AM IN CHARGE"---didn't General Alexander Haig claim that when Reagan was shot?? lol

you do not speak the truth because of the 8 officers I have I have a former Police officer from Mass, a former U.S. Marshall, a Former Federal Corrections officer, I can go on.
Ohh my, he called you a liar !

Also if my guys were not qualified then lets see, I have lost several officers to the following agency's Mass State Police, Shirley PD, Fitchburg PD. Boston PD,
Hmm..he keeps losing officers at a place he claims is sooo fine...that's a HINT

I sorry if I am going on and on but it is a knock to my guys and myself. SEE I AM LOYAL TO MY GUYS

Sarge...nobody is knocking your guys. This is a forum...everyone has a right to an opinion. You should know that...you are a federal officer right? Isn't that like the 1st amendment to the U.S. Constitution or did you stop after "We The People" and say "I The Chief"


Posted by: HousingCop

Quote:
Sounds like a good gig...i know a former municipal LT that would like the chiefs job there...i'll email her. She has full academy, bachelor's 20 yrs on the job. Umm...there is a chief's job right???
You are right SPO123, this is a forum and DOD6826 does sound like he is loyal to the men he is in charge of. You on the other hand seem to be a bootlicker. See your post above.

Any reason why she is a "former" municipal Lieutenant? Twenty years at Group 4 and she's still looking for an added kick in the pay department?


Posted by: Tackleberry

Sounds like a good job. I just finished a 4 year enlistment with Air Force Security Forces out of Hanscom AFB. Every month or so I see a few DOD officers from Devens at Magistrate Court. They've always had nothing but positive things to say about their job, and the people they work with. It sounds like it would be a very smooth transition from the duties I was performing at Hanscom. So I applied online and my fingers are crossed. I hope to hear something positive in the next few weeks.


Posted by: SPO123

Quote:
Originally Posted by HousingCop
You are right SPO123, this is a forum and DOD6826 does sound like he is loyal to the men he is in charge of. You on the other hand seem to be a bootlicker. See your post above. Better to lick than step on if you want to keep your job, no?

Any reason why she is a "former" municipal Lieutenant? Budget?

Twenty years at Group 4 and she's still looking for an added kick in the pay department?
You answered your own question...
it is a good job, but...talk to MSP or local PD before you opt out of your current job

PM From DOD6826:
Thank you for your reply but there is no job available. I am the quote Police Chief here and I plan on being here for 15 more years. and If she is not a vet then more then likely she will not be hired. Good or bad the gov. must hire Vets over non Vets.

Once again thank you.
__________________
Federal Police Sgt.

so if you're not a vet, don't bother applying....freakin politics has no place in LE


Posted by: SPINMASS

They should give the job to Vets over civilians, not saying that they should not hire civilians.


Posted by: DOD6826

Quote:
Originally Posted by SPO123
You answered your own question...
it is a good job, but...talk to MSP or local PD before you opt out of your current job

PM From DOD6826:
Once again thank you.
__________________
Federal Police Sgt.

so if you're not a vet, don't bother applying....freakin politics has no place in LE
I talk to CPOL today to verify the question, When you fill out your resume they have key points that the computer looks for( figure that one out) if the job is looking for traffic investigator or knowledeg of federal laws and you do not put that in your resume, the computer will not give you points. then at the end of your resume you are scored and if you are a vet you can get additonal 5 to 30 points. which if you are a police officer with 20 years and the other person is a MP for 4 years if you did not put the right key words in that MP can get the job over you. Now if you are #1 on the list and the Vet is #2 on the list and say we do not like what we see in your interview we can jump you and take the vet. but if it is the other way around we have to ake he vet and hope that the background check or phys exam comes up with something. To this point we have been lucky but the only thing I hate that half my guys are in the reserves and I loosse them one weekend a month and 2 weeks a year and I had lost 2 guys to the war for 18 months and you can not replace them.... last I do not approve of the above photos


Posted by: RPD931

Quote:
Originally Posted by SPINMASS
They should give the job to Vets over civilians, not saying that they should not hire civilians.
A little dip into the Great Vet Debate.

Simple question: "What makes a Vet better than a Non-Vet??"


Posted by: SPO123

Quote:
Originally Posted by DOD6826
I talk to CPOL today to verify the question, When you fill out your resume they have key points that the computer looks for( figure that one out) if the job is looking for traffic investigator or knowledeg of federal laws and you do not put that in your resume, the computer will not give you points. then at the end of your resume you are scored and if you are a vet you can get additonal 5 to 30 points. which if you are a police officer with 20 years and the other person is a MP for 4 years if you did not put the right key words in that MP can get the job over you. Now if you are #1 on the list and the Vet is #2 on the list and say we do not like what we see in your interview we can jump you and take the vet. but if it is the other way around we have to ake he vet and hope that the background check or phys exam comes up with something. To this point we have been lucky but the only thing I hate that half my guys are in the reserves and I loosse them one weekend a month and 2 weeks a year and I had lost 2 guys to the war for 18 months and you can not replace them.... last I do not approve of the above photos
Uhh, Chief, I didn't post any photos, that was the guy before me duh lol

A little dip into the Great Vet Debate.
Simple question: "What makes a Vet better than a Non-Vet??"
Ok RPD...lets start a new thread....
My father is a Vet... got hired by the gov't after his service to his country. He applied for the job, had his degree, had experience and training. He was equal to the other candidate, BUT he was a Vet, so he was hired. And so it should be, all men (and women) being created equal. He got 5 points preference to put him ahead. However, as the Chief would have it, a FEMALE LT with 20 years, academy, degree and experience would not be hired over an MP with 4 years. Hmm thats EQUAL.
Sorry Chief, hate to burst your bubble but SHE WOULD get the job or EEOC would be paying you a visit. Seems kinda funny there are NO females in your department doesn't it??
TIME TO CLOSE THIS THREAD...it was only a job posting to begin with.....


Posted by: cop1990

never mind


Posted by: cop1990

SPO123 you sound like one of those guys who thinks they know everything and has done everything and is everything. I love your "created equal" crap... now a days created equal means nothing... plus with the soap box you are on, the statement "kinda (kinda not in the dictionary) funny there are no females in his department well I think that is funny you must be a women with a motive here. last, I have looked at the Website and I was reading( you know how to read) the policy on the federal gov. website. Do you know that a human does not even look at the resumes for federal jobs? They have a computer that scores a resume so to take out the factor of the white/black/ male/ female thing. The computer only looks at the resume not the color of skin (the way it should be). Maybe you or your Female friend needs to learn how to make out a resume or get a real life. looking at what you and others write on this website, you must be a security guard that has not been able to get a job as a police officer or you were a police officer who was fired for doing something and you feel that you were wronged and you have the need to go after all police officers. oh my background 25 years as a Police officer/ sgt/Lt. now Deputy Chief so I have worked my way up the ranks oh by the way I am also a Marine so don't take the Vet card with me ....


Posted by: SPO123

Quote:
Originally Posted by cop1990
SPO123 you sound like one of those guys who thinks they know everything and has done everything and is everything. I know what I know I love your "created equal" crap... now a days created equal means nothing... plus with the soap box you are on, the statement "kinda (kinda not in the dictionary) funny there are no females in his department well I think that is funny you must be a women with a motive here. Sorry, with 25 years on, you are part of the "women don't belong in law enforcement generation. last, I have looked at the Website and I was reading( you know how to read) the policy on the federal gov. website. Do you know that a human does not even look at the resumes for federal jobs? Thats reassuring...They have a computer that scores a resume so to take out the factor of the white/black/ male/ female thing. The computer only looks at the resume not the color of skin (the way it should be). I guess that throws out minority preference...Maybe you or your Female friend needs to learn how to make out a resume or get a real life. looking at what you and others write on this website, you must be a security guard that has not been able to get a job as a police officer or you were a police officer who was fired for doing something and you feel that you were wronged and you have the need to go after all police officers. No just comment on f'ed up guys on the job ...like the pedophiles oh my background 25 years as a Police officer/ sgt/Lt. now Deputy Chief that explains it so I have worked my way up the ranks oh by the way I am also a Marine so don't take the Vet card with me ....
Age:61 time to retire...


Posted by: DoD102

Really wish I had seen that posting before it closed! What a dummy!!


Posted by: squad leader

Now that my boy is out of diapers ,I have some left over for anyone here needing them...seems to be a whole lot of crying going on ... I should also pass out some pacifiers ?? Maybe some of you should GROW a set and serve your country ?? Crying about not getting on the job at a Military facility and possibly getting passed over for not being a Vet......am I missing something here?


Posted by: DoD102

Still wish I had seen this posting before it closed!!! What a dummy!! BTW..oh never mind.


Posted by: cchc28

wish DOD was at Otis...


Posted by: DoD102

yup, wish I could get back into a federal job SOMEWHERE!!


Posted by: DoD102

wish comes true. I just got a start date on aug. 7th for the VA Police! wooohooo.


Posted by: Beowolf

Congrats and enjoy the golden corral and LETC. BTW which VA? i know Northampton, Boston and VT had been hiring


Posted by: DoD102

Hey Beowolf. Thanks for the congrats. I was hired at the Bedford VA. Kind of a long ride from Greenfield, but I have so much time in the Federal system, and they made it worth my while. WRJ in Vt still has two openings I believe


Posted by: HELPMe

Hey guys sorry for tapping onto this tread but what are the qualifications/standards to be a DOD cop? For example to a SSPO you need AS in CJ R/I academy etc. Any so requirements for this job? The reason why i am asking is i am really interested in applying. Thanks for your help


Posted by: DoD102

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. Don't check this as often as I used to. For DoD at Westover or any AF Reserve base there are no qualifications. We had guys who had no LE background walk in get hired and given a gun and badge. Not sure how the Army or Navy handle their DoD guys.


Posted by: wgciv

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Posted by: HELPMe

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Originally Posted by wgciv
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Posted by: masscopguy

FYI,

A private security contractor called TW&W headquatred in Maryland is hiring armed security for the Natick Army Lab. The pay is 17.61 plus 3.50 for health and welfare.

You have to pass a background/security check and PT test. run, sit ups and push ups.

You work at 12 hour schedule 3 on and 4 off. They also have contracts in Boston with the Coast Guard.

PM if you you wnat the contact info.


Posted by: mpd61

You left out the part that anyone hired has to pass a rigorous firearms quals course with a tough set of firearms instructors!!!



Posted by: jyanis

How many vacancies on this posting?




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