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Posted by: Doxparadise

Quick question. What handgun does MSP carry? Are you satisfied with it? If not, what would you want to carry instead? What, if any, rifle do you guys carry in the cruiser? FYI, im always talking about with my roommate about our respective state's police agencies. Hes from California, Contra Costa county. He wanted to know. Thats my reason for those of you who wanted to know.
(We are both applying to agencies as soon as we graduate, unfortunately we are just finishing our freshman years so we have a looooong way to go

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Thanks

Posted by: Killjoy

Sig Sauer P226 in .40 cal - Duty Pistol
Sig Sauer P229 in .40 cal - Duty Pistol for personnel w/smaller hands
Sig Sauer P239 in .40 cal - Detective Unit Pistol
All pistols are traditional double action/single action.

There are also two specialized pistols
Sig Sauer 232 in .380 cal - Massport/Troop F Detective Unit/Admin Unit Pistol
An unnamed pistol in .32 cal - Narcotics/Undercover personnel (I will not name the pistol, this is a public message board)

Remington 870 in 12 Gauge - Standard Shotgun (all variations, latest models are Scattergun Technologies Models) The MSP stop team also uses specialized shorty Remington 870's and Remington 1100 semi-auto shotguns.

There are no patrol rifles (at this time) but the MSP Stop Team utilizes Bushmaster M-4 Carbines that are select fire and modified to the tastes of the user (as far as illumination systems, sighting systems, etc.) They also use the H&K UMP submachinegun in .40 cal for certain CQB applications.

The Troop F Anti Terrorism Unit (ATU) utilizes the H&K MP5SD (suppressed) submachinegun in 9mm.

I cannot speak for other Troopers, but I am completely satisfied with the Sig Sauer pistol, it is reliable, accurate and easy to shoot. My only beef is that I would prefer a heavier caliber (.45 ACP), but I realize that the job is making a compromise between stopping power, capacity, and the ability of people to qualify. Remember that most police officers are not "gun guys", and practice very little (if at all), except for during qualification. I am also completely satisfied with the Remington 870, especially the Scattergun models. They are accurate, rugged and simply the shotgun all others are measured against.

Posted by: mannysaba

I know in Woonsocket, the issued firearm is the 357 Sig. I haven't had a chance to soot one of these yet but have fired the Sig P220 45cal. I found it to be very accurate an easy to grip. They tend to be a bit expensive. I ended up buying a Walther P99 (Pre-Smith and Wesson) in 40s+m. This gun is very similar to the glock with the center fire pin and plastic frame. This is a accurate and reliable handgun as well. I carry it but it is a little bulky to conceal. I want to get a compact sig in 45cal to replace it.

Posted by: SOT

Are you saying that the MSP issues Sig's in .357 SIG to the guys that patrol Woonsocket?

Posted by: dcs2244

I have a Sig 220 0.45 calibre: a pleasure to shoot and should be carried by msp/locals. Further, I have the Sig 226 9 mm and carry the 0.40 calibre 226. They are all good...but I prefer the .45. No cop should have to rely on a "bullet hose": the .45 is perfect for a competent marksman. If you are not a competent marksman...leave. You have no right to endanger fellow police officers. I think that the less bulkie grip of the 220 may actually favor females...

Posted by: mannysaba

No...I am sorry. I know the original question was for the MSP. I guess I went a little off topic. I just wanted to point out you don't have to use your issued firearm and that the .357 might be a good alternative. My friend who is a cop in Woonsocket, seems to be pretty happy with it.

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Originally Posted by SOT_II

Are you saying that the MSP issues Sig's in .357 SIG to the guys that patrol Woonsocket?

Posted by: dcs2244

Manny, there are two kinds of shoots: good and bad. I don't care about what the authorized firearm is: was the shoot good? If the shoot was justified, then the use of an M2 or 0.22 calibre firearm is allowed.

If I carry a 9 mm at work, and am trained on that weapon...what prevents me from stopping a crime off-duty with my Borg-Warner 0.45? Nothing, lemming: my training inre sight picture, etc, is sufficient for all firearms. To suggest otherwise is lawyer territory...or should I say "liar territory"...

Posted by: mannysaba

I agree with you and I was never arguing that point. I thought we were just talking about guns in general.

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Originally Posted by dcs2244

Manny, there are two kinds of shoots: good and bad. I don't care about what the authorized firearm is: was the shoot good? If the shoot was justified, then the use of an M2 or 0.22 calibre firearm is allowed.

If I carry a 9 mm at work, and am trained on that weapon...what prevents me from stopping a crime off-duty with my Borg-Warner 0.45? Nothing, lemming: my training inre sight picture, etc, is sufficient for all firearms. To suggest otherwise is lawyer territory...or should I say "liar territory"...

Posted by: dcs2244

Sorry everyone, I was on a different 'puter...I did not mean to highlight ...

Posted by: USMCTrooper

DCS2244 was originally issued a Brown Bess in the Academy

Posted by: rg1283

RI State Police also carries the .357 Sig

Posted by: dcs2244

I almost forgot about that brown bess...what a wildly inaccurate weapon that was! I remember.......what was I saying??? sorry, must be the alzheimer's kicking in...

Posted by: SOT

I had heard that when DCS was around...they didn't even have gun powder and they used crossbows or rocks or something.

Posted by: Killjoy

No the MSP back then had pointed sticks and ONE rock...they shared the rock...

Posted by: dcs2244

Hey, you kids don't know how good you have it! I worked with Moses when he was the midnight corporal...back then you actually had to subdue a citizen with a "laying on of hands" and capital punishment meant "stoning" (see the Philistines on the West Bank and Gaza...pretty ineffective against tanks, though).

But today, what with all your tazers/phazers/bean bags/OC spray et cetera, the job has lost its romance. Anybody can use modern technology...the SISSIES! I remember when we took blood samples from drunks the old fashioned way...with a club and a sponge!

Get real: get your hands dirty for a change! Less "high tech" and more "wreck"!

Put your finger in the bad guy's eye once for me! Remember, if you can't get your finger in to the second knuckle, you're doing something wrong! Practice makes perfect, though! Go out there and make me proud!

Posted by: topcop14

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Originally Posted by dcs2244

Hey, you kids don't know how good you have it! I worked with Moses when he was the midnight corporal...back then you actually had to subdue a citizen with a "laying on of hands" and capital punishment meant "stoning" (see the Philistines on the West Bank and Gaza...pretty ineffective against tanks, though).

But today, what with all your tazers/phazers/bean bags/OC spray et cetera, the job has lost its romance. Anybody can use modern technology...the SISSIES! I remember when we took blood samples from drunks the old fashioned way...with a club and a sponge!

Get real: get your hands dirty for a change! Less "high tech" and more "wreck"!

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