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Posted by: MEUSOC

Has anyone else heard that sometime in May the MSP STOP team will be going full time with 35 guys? Wondering if this (If True) will effect the LEC's at all?

Posted by: sempergumby

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Originally Posted by MEUSOC

Has anyone else heard that sometime in May the MSP STOP team will be going full time with 35 guys? Wondering if this (If True) will effect the LEC's at all?

Not trying to be an ass but.............
The SP will probably beef up there unit to compete and hopefully shut down the LEC's attempt to move into typical SP territory. No offense by this but the SP has been the primary enforcer to these type of thing. If the LEC get a foot hold on Fugitive apprehension and serving warrants on violent felons with-in the respective LEC area the SP's will be out of a job. This is a counter move to the LEC. If it happens

Posted by: jeh2005

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What does LEC stand for?

"Licking the Executive's Chicken (male)"

oops...wrong button...sorry...

Posted by: MARINECOP

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Originally Posted by jeh2005

What does LEC stand for?

Law Enforcement Council and the LEC's are here to stay.

Posted by: MEUSOC

Sorry, but another "Ive heard", but anyway, is it true that the Metlec SWAT team has no Sniper rifles and the guys use their own hunting rifles to train and repond with? Sorry for the speculation in my post but just trying to find out what is true and what is not....

Posted by: mpc111

I'll end the speculation for you real quick....not true.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

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Originally Posted by MEUSOC

Has anyone else heard that sometime in May the MSP STOP team will be going full time with 35 guys? Wondering if this (If True) will effect the LEC's at all?

WTF!!! There is not a Stop Team 24/7 WTF!!! I feel real safe

Posted by: BostonSoxWorldChamps

Does any one know where I can get a MSP STOP Team patch I am a collector of patches and have not been able to find this one anywhere, just little stickers is all I have been able to find. Anyone want to trade patches if you have one?

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by Irish Wampanoag

WTF!!! There is not a Stop Team 24/7 WTF!!! I feel real safe

It is 24/7. "Full Time" refers to a team that is assigned to STOP and not to a Barracks. The STOP team members now are assigned to a Barracks and are called out to respond. The always have their gear with them so they can repond at a moment's notice.

The benefit of a F/T STOP team would be to allow for them to train full time.

Posted by: dave7336

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Originally Posted by MEUSOC

Has anyone else heard that sometime in May the MSP STOP team will be going full time with 35 guys? Wondering if this (If True) will effect the LEC's at all?

If they go full time, there will be even less guys to handle calls on their roads...guess who has to pick up the slack...yup the locals, AGAIN

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by dave7336

If they go full time, there will be even less guys to handle calls on their roads...guess who has to pick up the slack...yup the locals, AGAIN

Since when has that ever been a concern??

Posted by: SinePari

A lot of the speculation came when 3 new classes were funded. Once Field Services gets the numbers they need all units will get beefed up.

Posted by: dave7336

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Originally Posted by Delta784

Since when has that ever been a concern??

since the merger when the force was increased but somehow there are less troopers that are actually on the road...a desk and two is the standard for a barracks according to everyone that I know who is a trooper and works patrol

Posted by: MEUSOC

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Originally Posted by mpc111

I'll end the speculation for you real quick....not true.

I GOT MY INFO FROM SOMEONE WHO IS ALLEDGEDLY A SNIPER ON METROLEC SWAT. HE TOLD ME THAT THE RIFLE HE WAS ISSUED WAS TOO OLD AND UNRIELIABLE AND THAT HE IN FACT USES HIS OWN RIFLE. HE ALSO WENT ONTO TO SAY THEY HIS DEPARTMENT GIVES HIM ZERO TRAINING TIME AND THE HE IS MORE COMFORTABLE USING HIS OWN RIFLE THAT HE HUNTS WITH.

Posted by: nirtallica

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Originally Posted by MEUSOC

Good. When he kills someone with it, he will be twisting in the wind. No jurisdiction and non-issued equipment. No dept. will back his play. Hopefully, he has a bank account to last him a few years and can afford a good attorney.

Posted by: SGT_GRUNT_USMC

I'm surprised a state like Massachusetts doesn't have a full time SWAT team.
There's 6 million people in MA,but it is geographically small.It seems kind of ridiculous for every little town to have a tactical team when you could have one full time highly trained team from the State Police.I can see the Sheriff's and DOC having teams for disturbance control/cell extractions,anything more serious should be handled by the MSP.I also don't think Deputy Sheriff's and CO's should be on the streets perforning police duties.They don't have the proper training.I was a CO in MA for 5 years before I became a Cop here in Vegas.Let's see....DOC 7 week Academy.....LVMPD 23 week academy 19 weeks of field training.
Here in LVMPD we've had a full time SWAT Team since the 70's and we need it too.
Last year SWAT handled more than 60 barricaded/hostage situations and conducted over 400 high risk warrants/drug raids.We have a population of about 2 million people in Las Vegas plus 40 million tourists a year.
Semper Fi,

Posted by: bbelichick

Vegas Metro seems like a great department. One of the ones I would like to work for if I wasn't in Mass.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

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Originally Posted by bbelichick

Thank God! I might need them to bail my ass out if we have a north hollywood shot out. I will be running like beitch hiding behind my golf cart. Cant shoot them with 43 bullets I will have to throw the gun at them and hope it knocks them out.

Posted by: Killjoy

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If they go full time, there will be even less guys to handle calls on their roads...guess who has to pick up the slack...yup the locals, AGAIN

Yeah, 35 guys in a department of 2,300, looks like we'll be doing forced OT every shift...when the next class graduates we'll have over 2,400, and more the 1,300 alone in field services...I don't think if the STOP team goes full time it will make a dent. By the way, I know a lot more barracks that have a desk a three minimum than a desk and two, and the increase in personnel will likely increase all of the barracks' minimum manning.

Posted by: rg1283

Remove the Trooper from the Desk and have him or her Patrol. I fail to see how EVERY barracks needs a Dispatcher, especially if it is a highly trained trooper driving a desk.

Posted by: dave7336

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Originally Posted by Killjoy

if there is only 35 guys that are going to do this, how can they cover the whole state? Maybe it is the slow response time if something happens in Lynn, Waltham and Worcester at the same time or same period of day that caused the creation of LEC's. As far as covering calls on the SP's roads, I can count numerous times when we get calls from the barracks asking us to book an accident because there is no one in the area, but when the holdup occurs, somehow there is 3 or 4 cruisers from barracks that don't even cover the area (and that is according to the SP official website.) I am not trying to start a controvery or step on people's toes but maybe if departments (both SP and locals) stopped creating so many specialists, these arguments or disagreements wouldn't happen

Posted by: Killjoy

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As far as covering calls on the SP's roads, I can count numerous times when we get calls from the barracks asking us to book an accident because there is no one in the area, but when the holdup occurs, somehow there is 3 or 4 cruisers from barracks that don't even cover the area (and that is according to the SP official website.)

Is it in towns and cities best interest to call us to cover their towns because they're off on a "ninja" call in another town? This has happened before....I'm the first to admit that the locals know their towns better than us, so let the locals handle their towns and not go running off for "adventure" in another city.

Posted by: dave7336

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Originally Posted by Killjoy

they don't "go running off for adventure in another city"....they are called through mutual aid, the same way you call locals and some locals call the SP. As far as where I work, we don't call locals or the SP when our guys are called out. we have enough manpower. The whole point is that nobody can be every place at every time, that is why there are alternatives.. now for another controversy, why is it all of a sudden that any local that attended an accident reconstruction school, even those run by New Braintree, are no longer capable to reconstruct an accident (the Middlesex DA will not accept their findings) As I said before, let's get rid of specialists and go back to what all levels of policing is all about. the most important person in any department is the patrol officer or the road trooper. the public judges everyone by their actions...too many people joined the police department to fight crime and make a difference and once they get that specialist job with the unmarked cruiser (local and SP), they forget where they came from and what is needed on the road. I can only speak for my department but I assume it is the same everywhere, at least that is what I heard everyone say when at WNEC. this is like choir practice

Posted by: sempergumby

Does it truly matter? STOP or LEC, just remember 9-11. If shit hits the fan I would rather have 7 trained teams than 1.

Posted by: dave7336

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Originally Posted by sempergumby

Does it truly matter? STOP or LEC, just remember 9-11. If shit hits the fan I would rather have 7 trained teams than 1.

I agree 100 % !!! If the police departments acted like the fire departments when it came to mutual aid and the like, we would all be better off. I know in my area, we always pull up on a trooper on the side of the road to check if he is all set, and they do the same...that is the problem with grant money, people will kill their own in order to get it...I will admit that my department and locals don't have the resources that the SP does or a Sherriff's Dept does, (who wants to babysit prisoners for a weekend, especially when they are looking for a fix) We have called the sherriff's dept for help with a prisoner and they have come out right away. In fact they want the departments to call them. They have the experience, the training and the facilities so they should be utilized. Maybe if everyone, myself included, just accepted the other departments for what they know and what they have and worked together, these things would not be an issue. As for me, I am making this my last comments as it is already getting into a pissing contest and it should not be that way.

Posted by: SinePari

You can NEVER have too many POs on the road with big guns. The more the merrier. I'd rather live in a state that has chest bumping and measuring dicks about ninja call-outs, than someplace that is out of control with violent crime.

The fact about showing up at other depts calls, is that EVERYONE wants to be at the hot call. So what. DMVs, crashes, disturbances, domestics, alarms, OUIs, and traffic Vs will always be there when you get back.

Posted by: nevrehc

Sherriff's will not take an SP prisoner if called. Act of congress before that will happen. No room, no deputy to help, etc etc!!!! Whatever, they are trained and staffed for this function when it is a local department, not the MSP. Should not be like this, take everyones prisoners, be proud of what you do and do it well.

Posted by: PearlOnyx

Nevrehc,

I worked for Essex County for five years. They take SP inmates all the time. The only time I've ever seen one refused was due to fairly serious medical issues. They actually have a very strict policy regarding refusing safekeeps. I haven't worked for them for 6 months, but I can't imagine much has changed.

Posted by: dcs2244

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why is it all of a sudden that any local that attended an accident reconstruction school, even those run by New Braintree, are no longer capable to reconstruct an accident (the Middlesex DA will not accept their findings) As I said before, let's get rid of specialists and go back to what all levels of policing is all about.

Because you will not perform the number of reconstructions that a trooper will...in three of your lifetimes. The DA wants people who have the experience, not someone who has the "training". Like everything else...if you don't use it, you loose it.

Look, this is not to say that a local person is incapable of AR or special weapons...they may very well be the best. They are not employed in a place that can support their skills, so they need to be hired by the state. Failing that, they need to understand that they are not going to be "neat guys" and get on with their lives.

Get over it. I'm not an engineer, but I'm willing to wager that I have reconstructed more collisions than you have. In fact, after 28 years, I'm willing to wager that I have investigated more collisions than you have...

Who rules? The guy that has the experience, or the guy that had a course? You choose. Who do you want help from?

If you do not want my help, then do not call me (especially at 0300 hours). Do not call me when a case goes into the shitter three months later when a lemming dies...and you shoulda called me to the scene to begin with...now you expect me to make everything better...

Please understand...I am here for you. I am here to help you, but I can't help you if you do not call. If you want to go your own way, fine...just don't call us three months later to clean up your mess.

Posted by: thumper2168

Troopers live in almost City and town and a large % were local officers before they got on. STOP Team Troopers also live and are spread out throughout the Commonwealth.

The LEC's if on duty have to return to their station or they can go direct EXCEPT for the fact that they cannot (not if I am paying their salary (I love it I finally get to use that line) ) leave my City if that is going to short the shift and leave my town unprotected until his replacement shows up ( oh and the replacement is on OT) and if there is more than one officer on the ninja squad then they have to wait until their replacement is in the station (or they will short the shift and when that home invasion happens to mine or your family and you have no one respond).
The STOP teams members that respond are usually are already working and have all their gear in their fully marked cruiser. Lets take a callout , hmmm

lets see the Peabody one that a suspended driver simply walks into his house and they call out something like 28 guys (any of the guys I know would have just grabbed him by the neck after booting the door (fresh pursuit)) but these guys have to justify their existence so they do a full callout for a suspended license guy ( no guns, sorry) naahh

lets use the callout 15 year old kid, locks a door in the school, LEC goes out with over 12 guys, from over seven departments. They use the catchy wordage of "possibly armed, possibly barricade as a catch all for justification to use the team" The kid walked out before the team assembled so we cant use this one or the other one where the guy pulls up to the team as they are briefing , or the other one when they clear out an entire neighborhood and sit on the house only to realize that the guy was long gone,,, the one where the Large City was NEVER informed except to say that we might be in the city soon by the way ,,,booom armoured vehicle 17 guys, one bag of weed,,,
So some guys have to wait for their replacements some guys have to come in from their homes get dressed and then get a cruiser sometimes upwards of 15 miles away just to get the cruiser and then start to go to the scene. The SP has the faster response and it will only get quicker when they go full time...

The STOP Team was authorized a big increase awhile ago but they did not unlike some people just throw together a bunch of guys, they refused because they thought they might lose quality. STOP Team full time will provide a quick statewide response that is quicker and has a thousands more hours of training and entries than the nearest team. The LEC's have always been around (NEMLEC been around for years and years) but jumped on the 9/11 funding wagon. Now that fundin has dried up with two of the groups getting less than $20,000 this year. The Troopers that live in these cities and towns have the right as taxpayers to complain as this is usually just a duplication of services to satisify someones ego. I know people on these teams that go out and buy crown vics and do them all up, and then VOLUNTEER for the callouts and training. THAT is a UNION issue.

Just like with Lawrence and Framingham where the Chief of Lawrence started to use Deputies to supplant his officers thus depriving them of OT. The Deputies most dont have academy training and are now hmm training themselves in "police" academies. Most of the LECS have now taking the plunge and have dirtied themselves to take ill trained Sheriff's just to get the $$ that comes with them.
As with Framingham the Chief is forcing the guys to use a Deputy in the Anti-Crime UNit, the guys are all pissed and they are fighting it as that job belongs to a framingham uniform guy that has been busting his ^%$#^ for the chance to move on to detectives.

As to the special roots theory, the job cannot be done by all uniform pers. By adding detective units, Recon, Gangs, some of these bad guys can only be done by these units, as just sometimes you need a certain person or experience to get a job done and actually win the case. The State Police actually have over 2200 guys now with another class in right now. Some guys here have a problem with detectives and with their poor test scores obviously. The equipment should go to the uniform guys first, the ones on the road every night, the one's yes doing most of the grunt work. And not the Sheriff's who use their political clout to take equipment that should go to those same guys.

Posted by: MEUSOC

Medfield and Medway are having override votes sometime in April and May. If the override is voted down both towns have stated that they would have to leave Metlec. The Chief of Medfield stated that he wants to stay in Metlec but has confidence that State Police would fill in. Has anyone heard about Wrentham, there big in Metlec and just voted down an override with cops and fire jobs on the line?

Posted by: SOT

Here's the problem or problem as I see it.
Most LEC's don't have the resource or the time to train for real SWAT duty. If you are pulling people from different departments across towns at some point when the training or the shared duty gets to be "too much" for the taxpayer in any of these given towns, you lose the expertise.

When people complain about crime and want more cops on the street, want the violent crime rate down, want more drug arrets...the LAST thing they are going to do is add funding and training for a LEC SWAT team. As people get promoted in departments maye their roles change and they can't be part of the LEC SWAT team anymore (more training down the tubes and more expertise lost).

I'm very pro law enforcement, I like all cops in all kinds of departments from local to Fed as they all buy stuff from me and in general I beleive in the irm and absolute rule of law (too many freedoms without responsibility is utter BS).
That being said I've been around enough, shot enough, trained enough, and played enough with the "big dogs" to know that you WILL NOT have a quality SWAT team cobbled together from a bunch of different departments, that train one weekend a month and two weeks a year. I would even hazzard that the MSP STOP team really does need to go full time and have a real location and full time training and are living on the edge of the bare minimum of actually filling and training to a real SWAT spec....maybe have three regional teams that all their job is is STOP so you are looking at a minimum of 120 or so troopers.
In a perfect world we would see a STOP team for every county, then regionalized. But fat chance of that happening.

You DO NOT train SWAT,you LIVE SWAT...it's that freaking simple. To say otherwise shows a painful lack of understanding of the tactics and training involved.

Posted by: SOT

Yeah it really does matter....I would rather have one very well trained SWAT team showing up at my kids school with an active shooter situation going down than three or four half assed ones trying to get an entry team figured out and assembled, with a mish mash of training and equipment..
And if you don't think there wil be a huge oversight after the fact when there are bodies filling bags, your kidding yourself.

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Originally Posted by sempergumby

Does it truly matter? STOP or LEC, just remember 9-11. If shit hits the fan I would rather have 7 trained teams than 1.

Posted by: dcs2244

Too right, SOT...I'd rather bank on the MSP Stop Team...I know how often they train and what they are capable of...not so the LECS/locals. Again, nothing against the local folks...you may be the best, but if you don't train as frequently/more frequently than the staties...'nuff said...they have the bucks, you do not...sure, sometimes the feds get all giddy and start handing out cash...like "community policing", but once the money dries up you're left with a bunch of equipment and no maintenance, training, etc. You want to bet your life on that? Not me.

If you want to be a "neat guy", get good at taking tests...the state is the only game in town. If you want to be a cop, be a cop, but understand that your options for specialization are limited in smaller departments.

Posted by: Se7en

If there's an active shooter in a school, why the f--- would I want to wait for the STOP team or any of the LECS? I want any trained Officer/Trooper responding to that scene and addressing the active shooter. The Department that I work for has trained for those situations, every officer, however some are better trained than others.

We are also forming up our own entry team and hopefully will continue to work with the STOP team in the future.

Posted by: dcs2244

Se7en, you have to do what you have to do, given the situation. I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't really want to take on a couple of kids armed with semi-automatic high power rifles with my sig .40. Sure, you might get lucky and be able to ambush one of the bastards...but I've never been lucky. Best to evacuate and contain the area as best you can and wait for the cavalry...and go home to your family at the end of the day (because that's what counts...not how many lemmings were killed: they made the laws, they voted for it...had one teacher at Columbine had a firearm, history might be different). Cops are rare...lemmings are a dime a dozen. Like Doritos, they'll just make more. Just my $.02.

Posted by: mpd61

Actually,

In an active shooter response, you are expendable. If you had been through training, the new doctrine is for first responding officers to go right in and do everything possible to stop the active shooting!

1. If you engage the threat(s) they turn their attention toward you, not innocents.
2. You don't have the luxury of being safe and "waiting" for the cavalry, while people are being shot!
3. You might actually remove the threat (your job) and save more lives!

MSP Stop team, and/or local SWAT(City) will be there, but your duty, under new doctrine post-Columbine, is to act as first responder(s) and thus, take the first actions to stop the shooting of persons.

Posted by: EJI

The State Police union is upset because now over approx.100 towns in Massachusetts won't use the STOP team. So they do anything they can to discredit the local officers and LEC. How much of my tax money was wasted paying for a singing MSP Sgt.who only sang, and why was he a Sgt.? Was he in charge of a whole unit of singing troopers

Posted by: Mikey682

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Originally Posted by EJI

The State Police union is upset because now over approx.100 towns in Massachusetts won't use the STOP team. So they do anything they can to discredit the local officers and LEC. How much of my tax money was wasted paying for a singing MSP Sgt.who only sang, and why was he a Sgt.? Was he in charge of a whole unit of singing troopers

Posted by: SGT_GRUNT_USMC

Here's a good video on my department's full time SWAT Team, LVMPD SWAT.Go to the bottom where it says "meet the SWAT Team".

http://www.lvmpd.com/Multimedia/Brie...m_Archive.html

Semper Fi,

Posted by: MARINECOP

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Originally Posted by EJI

LMAO, I remember the state police sending out that letter to all the town halls discrediting the LEC'S, saying it was duplicating resources and a waste of money.

As for those who don't think of the LEC'S living the SWAT life, you obviously don't know anything or anyone who has been on a LEC SWAT team. It completely change my life around and I loved every minute of it. You have to keep your gear with you everywhere you go because you are on call 24-7. Their goes your social life because you won't be drinking with the ladies on those weekends off. I remember having all my gear in my bedroom layed out in case we got activated while I was sleeping. Also, you have to show up for all trainings which were (when I was on) one full day every two weeks and one full week every 6 months. At those trainings you are given advice on what to work on on or off duty, for example: building clearing. Which I was able to do almost everynight when I was on midnights, so almost every night on duty was a SWAT training session for me. Maintaining proficient marksmanship skills is not something you do from just training with a team, you have to constantly train on your own at the range. So dedication is a must, not only to yourself, but for your team. As for living the life, I believe all those members on the LEC'S live and breathe SWAT, given with what they are given. I have said it before and I will say it again, I would trust my life to anyone of them. So, stop bashing them, you don't see them on here bashing the STOP team. End of thread.

Posted by: nirtallica

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Originally Posted by EJI

Another satisfied customer. The LEC SWAT teams are good for one thing LIABILITY. Do you honestly think they can be as effective as MSP? GFY

Posted by: SOT

Holy crap...did you not read the post? I am saying that waiting for a LEC SWAt team is the worst thing you could do. The point being even though many of the LEC SWAT teams think they are living the life, training I guess one every two weeks and two weeks a year (BFD)...it's not reliable esp when you have different jusrisdictions sending different officers Who knows who's on vacation, who knows who's out sick, who knows who's engaged in another call or some other duty related issue. (Yes parol officer Smith who's the designated marksman is rolling around on the ground trying to subdue someone, is he just going to say to the baddie...wait I'll be back later....or what if he's in training half the state away...will he make it in time?

And no jumping in and trying to engage an active shooter isn;t always the best solution, clear rooms, secure potential hostages, and contain.

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Originally Posted by Se7en

If there's an active shooter in a school, why the f--- would I want to wait for the STOP team or any of the LECS? I want any trained Officer/Trooper responding to that scene and addressing the active shooter. The Department that I work for has trained for those situations, every officer, however some are better trained than others.

We are also forming up our own entry team and hopefully will continue to work with the STOP team in the future.

Posted by: j809

This crap is getting really old. Call whoever you want, who gives a s*it.

Posted by: SOT

If you think 2 days a month and two weeks a year is sufficient, you have made my point.
If laying out your turn out gear before you tuck in at night makes you SWAT, more power to ya.
If slicing the pie while your supposed to be out on patrol is the level of individual training you find appropriate, drive on.
The end point is, SWAT is about teams, SWAT is about critique, SWAt is about monitored performance.
So what if you clear a room 1000 times a night, if you are not monitored and do it wrong, you reinforcing bad habits. What professional was watching over your shoulder while you did your SWAT excercises? The mop in the broom closet? If your not clearing rooms with a team, you are focusing on the individual...again a huge mistake.
Proficient marksmanship is great for a patrol officer, excellent marksmanship is what's required for a SWAT team member...and that's just the begining...but I'm glad you worked on that...as it is important.
But whatever...the point that is being missed is that SWAT is highly specialized...if your not doing it day to day with your team, you are playing SWAT and lulling yourself into a false sense of security.

And for the record, I'm not a guy that is a cop, I'm just one of the guys cops call when they want better training. I'm part of a company that various agencies hire when they want to redo portions of their training doctine for HRT, SWAT, ESU, what have you.

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Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by j809

This crap is getting really old. Call whoever you want, who gives a s*it.

No kiddin!

Do your jobs and shut yer pie-holes!

Posted by: MEUSOC

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Originally Posted by MARINECOP

ining session for me. Maintaining proficient marksmanship skills is not something you do from just training with a team, you have to constantly train on your own at the range. So dedication is a must, not only to yourself, but for your team. As for living the life, I believe all those members on the LEC'S live and breathe SWAT, given with what they are given. I have said it before and I will say it again, I would trust my life to anyone of them. So, stop bashing them, you don't see them on here bashing the STOP team. End of thread.

After reading the above post from MarineCop Im 100% positive now that the LEC SWAT teams should be shut down. Can you say 'Wacko with guns'....Read his post and see if come to the same conclussion as I. I definately dont want this guy to come within 100 miles of my town. Laying out all his gear in front of his bed waiting for a call? This guy is a nut and if this what the LECS offer then no thanks....If the State Police are serious about shutting down the LEC SWAT teams then just forward his post to EOPS.

Posted by: k9sheriff

Thumper,as far as I know there are two sheriff's departments listed as members of NEMLEC.I work for one of these departments and I can tell you with 100% certaincy that although we are listed as members, we do not do anything with them.Zero involvement.We are listed as members but not allowed to put the membership sticker on our vehicles or train with them.I would have to say that our department only helps them out for monetary reasons and that is it.I don't really care about this because I do enough anyway .Right now our department is in the process of starting the coustruction of a regional lock-up which is severely needed and will help out any police departments with sending prisoners(safekeeps)to the jail so they can return to patrol functions and not have to babysit prisoners.My department has a strict policy not to turn away any safekeeps, unless it's an extreme medical issue and they need to be hospitalized.As for the MSP stop team, I had the opportunity to watch them around ten years ago in Salem help save the life of one of my co-workers to which their performance was unmatched and very impressive.Their training and professionalism was quite apparent.

Posted by: thumper2168

Medway is not part of Metrostar

, the officer that participates does so on a voluntary basis..............

The singing Sgt. was a sgt. because he took a test and earned it, unlike (never mind see I'm trying to be good)

The LV Metro clip is awesome, met some in Laughlin high speed guys..

The letter did nothing to discredit these LEC's, I know some of the guys, good people, it is just about money and bodies. It pointed out the simple fact that if I live in Braintree and pay taxes in Braintree why should I pay for 6 guys to be on a SWAT team and respond seven times last month out of the city (4 guys average over $4,000) BEFORE the guys that replaced them and that is before training and when they go to training oh yeah you have to pay for the guys to replace them on the shift when they to training, and some guys go , oh we'll go for free, if you do that you are killing every union member everywhere.... The STOP Team does it for free, the town is free of liability and they are better trained and have hundreds if not thousands of hours of experience on the LEC's. And NO, NO, NO the Chief has the SAME control, over the STOP Team that he has over the LEC's!!! It's like the CEMLEC's crowd unit, do you REALLY think it will be used??? (yes, yes I know the first strike they will go into that town and , wait, what about the union in that town, mmmhhh)

K-9 Sheriff, Your right regional lockups would bring Massachusetts into the new world it would be a great thing to every Town, City and State Officer if the Sheriff's would concentrate their massive political power on that issue and not trying to take care of these 1% hacks on their bikes...

Posted by: nirtallica

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Originally Posted by MARINECOP

The DOC SRT team is more high speed than any LEC team. They train 3-4 days a month and actually use STATE ISSUED equipment, not their own. The LECs are simply trying to be something they clearly are not. You want to play State Police, go through the SPA and earn the right. Many Troopers, including myself, shed blood, sweat, money and tears getting through Framingham and New Braintree. I will be damned if some Sheriff or local is going to try to take away what I and all my brother and sister Troopers worked hard for. I have no use for the LECs. The Deputies on the other hand have earned NOTHING! What sacrifices have you made? And don't give me that crap about working behind the walls. Some of you would sh** your first day in a REAL PRISON with REAL INMATES like Walpole. I worked there so I can talk sh**. When the Deputies are qualified to pass a rigorous selections process, go through a LEGIT Academy with rigorous standards that is ACCREDITED, spend three months on FT status and make the sacrifices that my family and I did, then you can play police. Otherwise, stay behind the wall where you belong. Lets put it this way. Would you like the president of the US to call the Army when then sh** hits the fan MARINECOP? It works the same with the MSP. The Marines have a fine reputation. They are first to fight and they have EARNED that right and reputation. I am sure you are proud of that and would not want anyone to take that away from you (no offense to any other branch of the military). Nuff said.

Posted by: MARINECOP

Fuck off shitdicks, I contributed to the thread and stated my experience from years ago and you bash me. No win situation here with all the state police nutthuggers on this site. This site should be named Massstatecops.com. Obviously nothing can be solved here by you key board warriors.

If you have anything personal to say to me, please PM me, otherwise I'm done here.

Posted by: k9sheriff

nirtallica,are you seriously alright.What the hell is the rant and rave with the sheriff's and how tough you were in the state prison system.The thread is about LEC's, not how much you hate the sheriff's.I'm not a MSP kissass,I just have never had a bad experience with them so there is no reason to write anything negative.You need to stay on topic.All I ever do is compliment the MSP and then I have to read insults from someone like you.It really gets old.Did you miss the part where I wrote that where I work we have nothing to do with the LEC's except support them financially.

Posted by: EJI

[quote=thumper2168]Medway is not part of Metrostar

, the officer that participates does so on a voluntary basis..............

The singing Sgt. was a sgt. because he took a test and earned it, unlike (never mind see I'm trying to be good.

Do I care if every trooper is making overtime with my tax dollars." No", Do I care my tax dollar went to a guy to just sing every day at Sgt. pay. "No" do you really care your tax money is going to training and overtime for locals. No! If you cared about your tax dollars you would look at the waste in school budgets in your town. The only reason real reason your pissed is your town won't use the State Police. Where were the state police when your town (Braintree) called for help years ago with a labor riot. They didnt come.

Posted by: nirtallica

Quote:

Originally Posted by k9sheriff

nirtallica,are you seriously alright.What the hell is the rant and rave with the sheriff's and how tough you were in the state prison system.The thread is about LEC's, not how much you hate the sheriff's.I'm not a MSP kissass,I just have never had a bad experience with them so there is no reason to write anything negative.You need to stay on topic.All I ever do is compliment the MSP and then I have to read insults from someone like you.It really gets old.Did you miss the part where I wrote that where I work we have nothing to do with the LEC's except support them financially.

I never stated I was a tough guy or that I hated the Sheriffs nor was this a personal attack on anyone. The Sheriffs are tied into the LECs because, if you paid attention to what is going on, Sheriffs are part of the LECs. I know plenty of Deputies and I have no problem with them. My biggest beef is that the Sheriffs want us on the highways and they want the other dutuies we have. The Sheriffs compete for funding, MSP funding.

Posted by: nirtallica

[quote=EJI]

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Originally Posted by thumper2168

Medway is not part of Metrostar

, the officer that participates does so on a voluntary basis..............

The singing Sgt. was a sgt. because he took a test and earned it, unlike (never mind see I'm trying to be good.

Do I care if every trooper is making overtime with my tax dollars." No", Do I care my tax dollar went to a guy to just sing every day at Sgt. pay. "No" do you really care your tax money is going to training and overtime for locals. No! If you cared about your tax dollars you would look at the waste in school budgets in your town. The only reason real reason your pissed is your town won't use the State Police. Where were the state police when your town (Braintree) called for help years ago with a labor riot. They didnt come.

By law, we can not intervine in a labor dispute unless authorized by the Governor himself. Do you think any Republican Governor is going to get involved with a labor dispute?

Posted by: k9sheriff

Well, I'll leave it at that.I understand your frustrations.I'm sure you know where I stand regarding all of this.I have no desire to play police officer.Quite happy doing what I am now.As for all the money decisions, that's way above and beyond me and all administrative decisions with the state and Departments as a whole.I have no idea what most of the other sheriff's departments do or are involved with.They are all so different.I can tell you this though,my department and Sheriff does nothing but support the MSP in any way possibe and strives to keep a good relationship with them.As for the LEC's I'll let you guys argue that one with the local police departments.take care.

Posted by: chief801

This whole LEC thing is way outta hand. Bottom line is this...MSP STOP is a great unit, I would never knock them, but there are not enough of them to cover the entire state adequately should simultaneous attacks or incidents occur. I respect the fact that they have gone through Framingham or New Braintree and numerous hours of training. That does not entitle MSP to corner the market on providing public safety. STOP may be the best...but when the best is not available, I'll take "pretty damn good" as opposed to nothing. I seriously doubt LEC members are sitting around conspiring how they can take something away from MSP. From the LEC members I know, I would not consider them to be the ninja wannabee whackers that some on this site have portrayed them to be. The limited amount of training they may receive still makes them better prepared then a patrol officer or a trooper without any tactical training to respond to certain incidents. Ask a STOP team member how much easier it is on them when they respond to a town that has someone on duty with a tactical background. They'll tell you that it is sooo much easier for them when they arrive on scene, the proper intel is provided, a good C.P. has been established, and available options are already spelled out for them. Its a win/win situation.

Posted by: dcs2244

Quote:

Bottom line is this...MSP STOP is a great unit, I would never knock them, but there are not enough of them to cover the entire state adequately should simultaneous attacks or incidents occur.

If that many attacks/incidents occur simultaneously, there will not be enough "neat guys" to go around, STOP, LEC, DOC, or Naratoone etc. If the situation is that bad, if you are talking 'worst case', then the National Guard would need to be activated: the police will not, logistically, be able to handle the event alone and still provide basic services. I'm sure the msp has plans in place to handle several events at once, but if a catastrophic event occurs over a large geographic area...the police will need assistance and the LEC members will be too busy policing their individual cities/towns to do the LEC thing. I think the whole "multiple scenario" thing is just a red herring to justify LECS and the funding for them. Just a thought.

Posted by: Delta784

[quote=nirtallica]

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Originally Posted by EJI

By law, we can not intervine in a labor dispute unless authorized by the Governor himself. Do you think any Republican Governor is going to get involved with a labor dispute?

Even labor disputes where police officers are being assaulted, pepper spray is deployed, and at least one police K-9 got a bite while protecting his handler? Could you provide the chapter & section of the MGL that insulates you from helping other police officers in trouble?

This is a bit personal, since two of our motorcycle guys got hurt when they dumped at the Union Street rotary, after they hit an oil patch on the way to that incident.

Posted by: USMCMP5811

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Originally Posted by MEUSOC

Medfield and Medway are having override votes sometime in April and May. If the override is voted down both towns have stated that they would have to leave Metlec. The Chief of Medfield stated that he wants to stay in Metlec but has confidence that State Police would fill in. Has anyone heard about Wrentham, there big in Metlec and just voted down an override with cops and fire jobs on the line?

Layoffs loom as Wrentham OKs budget

BY STEPHEN PETERSON/SUN CHRONICLE STAFF

WRENTHAM -- Voters have passed a balanced budget for the upcoming fiscal year that will lead to several layoffs and other reductions in services.

Some 164 residents Monday night at the annual town meeting at King Philip Middle School in Norfolk voted in a $29.7 million budget that starts July 1.
The lost positions include 10 elementary school teachers and layoffs of two police patrolmen and one firefighter/paramedic. A department of public works position will also be lost. Also, hours of town hall and other employees will be curtailed.

The police and fire departments and DPW face reductions in their budgets this year of 4 percent. The elementary schools are being slashed almost 1.4 percent.

The town will increase its support of the King Philip Regional School District budget by 5.2 percent, which will still mean the likely loss of four teachers and five support staff. KP had been looking for a 14 percent hike.

`` Services you are getting won't be the same,'' finance committee Chairwoman Sue Szekely told voters.
A good part of the discussion on the budget centered on the finance committee's recommendation not to give raises to department heads.

Eight department heads in unison argued their case before town meeting, which ended up transferring $15,851 from the legal budget to cover mostly 3 percent raises. Resident Ken Dooley motioned for the transfer that passed 104-60.

`` We believe this is unfair,'' Finance Director Barry Yeaw said of no raises.

Public Works Superintendent Robert Reardon said of the budget constraints, `` this is a very difficult time ahead for us.''

Ravi Nadkarni, who sits on the board of health, said, `` I think it is time for sacrifice. No one is speaking for the taxpayers otherwise. You need to tighten your belts.''

The finance committee recommended no raises to balance the morale of employees who are being forced to work fewer hours, Szekely said.

`` We can't afford 3 percent raises in town anymore,'' Szekely said.

Town Clerk Carol Mollica said she was embarrassed to have to speak before town meeting on behalf of her salary for the first time in her 11 years in the post.

Other residents highlighted the fact the town pays 85 percent of health insurance costs for employees, where other area towns pay an average of 67 percent. Rising health insurance costs are a key contributor to the town's financial woes.

Posted by: dave7336

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Originally Posted by nirtallica

If you don't think the locals are any good, why do you always call them to handle calls for you when you don't have anyone in the area??? maybe you are too busy playing highway patrol...

Posted by: dave7336

If you don't want to be called at 0300 why are you still on the unit? is it the OT? It must stink that some drunk or some kid didn't think of you when he wrapped himself around a tree going 80mph...

As far as being a "neat guy", if being one is the same as having a way too high opinion of himself and looking down at the cops that patrol his hometown, then you can keep that distinction all to yourself...

I respect the fact that you have the training and the expertise. I do not have the extensive training nor do I want to have the reconstructionist job so I am not trying to take your position. The regional teams were created to assist, but obviously the lobbyists got to the right people to take care of that.

You are probably the same guy I see drive by in an unmarked car wearing French Blue while I am assisting the road trooper who is busting his/her butt trying to get the highway open again..we know you would stoop to help out a local, but your own trooper?

oh well, as I said you can keep the position you have since it is important. I would have responded to this earlier, but I was tied up with domestic assault and batteries, youth complaints (hopefully not your kids though,) some larcenies and other nickle and dime stuff that is obviously beneath you.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Quote:

Originally Posted by sempergumby

Does it truly matter? STOP or LEC, just remember 9-11. If shit hits the fan I would rather have 7 trained teams than 1.

Any agancy who gets the job done and has the most toys at the incident scene first wins. Its not the size of your yard its whats in it that counts.

Posted by: nirtallica

[quote=Delta784]

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Originally Posted by nirtallica

MGL 22C s10.

Posted by: nirtallica

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave7336

If you don't want to be called at 0300 why are you still on the unit? is it the OT? It must stink that some drunk or some kid didn't think of you when he wrapped himself around a tree going 80mph...

As far as being a "neat guy", if being one is the same as having a way too high opinion of himself and looking down at the cops that patrol his hometown, then you can keep that distinction all to yourself...

I respect the fact that you have the training and the expertise. I do not have the extensive training nor do I want to have the reconstructionist job so I am not trying to take your position. The regional teams were created to assist, but obviously the lobbyists got to the right people to take care of that.

You are probably the same guy I see drive by in an unmarked car wearing French Blue while I am assisting the road trooper who is busting his/her butt trying to get the highway open again..we know you would stoop to help out a local, but your own trooper?

oh well, as I said you can keep the position you have since it is important. I would have responded to this earlier, but I was tied up with domestic assault and batteries, youth complaints (hopefully not your kids though,) some larcenies and other nickle and dime stuff that is obviously beneath you.

What are you talking about assclown? Before you post, please refrain from alcoholic consumption so we can understand your point because you make no sense. If you are going to try and speak intelligent, at least be intelligent.

Posted by: Hartmn

Its been talked about for 15 years. If you want a high degree of effectiveness a SWAT teams needs to train..a lot. You can have talented dedicated guys who can maintain 85% effectiveness part time..but that last 10-15% requires daily training. If a SWAT team was going into a situation where my kids lives were on the line, I'd want the best available..and part time isn't the best..never has been never will be. Take the NEMLEC for example, they have some experienced guys,have been around for a long time, and I would rate their team as good. Put them full time and they'd be better. Some of newer regional teams are not even "average" yet..they haven't the time or the experience yet, and that is a scary thought. Its all about the quality of the people, the training, and the leadership/standards.

Another critical issue is response time. If it really hits the fan, you need them now, not in an hour. Full time allows far quicker response, far quicker commitment because no OT is involved (which should not matter, but it does in the real world) If a Columbine happens, a SWAT unit isnt going to make the difference, the first few road guys from various agencies getting together, hopefully equipped properly with common training, and taking decisive action will make the difference.. the SWAT team will get there too late for everything but the photo op unless they are full time.

p.s. I won't effect staffing or manpower "on the road".. in fact staffing will be going up with many barracks increasing their minimum staffing levels.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by nirtallica

MGL 22C s10.

"....provided that no member of said force shall be used or called upon for service in any industrial dispute, unless actual violence has occurred therein".

I was there, and it was pretty damn violent.

Posted by: nirtallica

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta784

I was not on the MSP then. Did the Chief at Braintree request assistance?

Posted by: chief801

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hartmn

Its been talked about for 15 years. If you want a high degree of effectiveness a SWAT teams needs to train..a lot. You can have talented dedicated guys who can maintain 85% effectiveness part time..but that last 10-15% requires daily training. If a SWAT team was going into a situation where my kids lives were on the line, I'd want the best available..and part time isn't the best..never has been never will be. Take the NEMLEC for example, they have some experienced guys,have been around for a long time, and I would rate their team as good. Put them full time and they'd be better. Some of newer regional teams are not even "average" yet..they haven't the time or the experience yet, and that is a scary thought. Its all about the quality of the people, the training, and the leadership/standards.

Another critical issue is response time. If it really hits the fan, you need them now, not in an hour. Full time allows far quicker response, far quicker commitment because no OT is involved (which should not matter, but it does in the real world) If a Columbine happens, a SWAT unit isnt going to make the difference, the first few road guys from various agencies getting together, hopefully equipped properly with common training, and taking decisive action will make the difference.. the SWAT team will get there too late for everything but the photo op unless they are full time.

p.s. I won't effect staffing or manpower "on the road".. in fact staffing will be going up with many barracks increasing their minimum staffing levels.

And First prize for the post on this issue that is the most accurate goes too......

Posted by: 48Weeks

The state pd didn't show up to something like this when other officers were in the shit? I would like to think that for some reason (can't think of too many good ones) they were all tied up. I find it hard to believe that a state pd trooper wouldn't help out officers in need due to their concern about the Governor not giving his approval. Isn't this one of those situations where an officer breaks the rules a bit to help out another in need?

[quote=Delta784]

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Originally Posted by nirtallica

Posted by: dave7336

Quote:

Originally Posted by nirtallica

Hey moron, try to follow the posts. This was a follow up to one that is on page 3. I tried to send it with his post, but the computer kept saying not responding...maybe I can get your elite computer unit to come and fix it.

I apologize for calling you a moron, but when did I personally slam someone? Besides trying to deal with someone like you would cause someone to drink.

Posted by: nirtallica

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Originally Posted by dave7336

Same here about calling you an assclown.

Posted by: dave7336

[quote=nirtallica]Same here about calling you an assclown.[/Q

goes to show you how original you are...

Posted by: dcs2244

I think you were referring to my post. I did not say I would not, or did not want, to respond to your fatal. I said call me when it happens (so that we can properly record the scene/evidence) and not three months later when the situation "goes south" and your department is having the "oh-sh*ts". I am here to help you...but it is difficult for me to do so if you do not call!

Please go back and read my post again...and read it for what I said, and not what you wanted it to say. I think my meaning is clear to reasonable people...I am here for you...but if you don't call...

Posted by: nirtallica

[quote=dave7336]

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Originally Posted by nirtallica

Same here about calling you an assclown.[/Q

goes to show you how original you are...

FO then assclown!

Posted by: dave7336

[quote=nirtallica]

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave7336

FO then assclown!

again, my apologies...I misread your reply to my apology and took it the wrong way. after reading your reply I can see that I was mistaken and jumped to a conclusion...so again the original apology still stands and hopefully you will accept this one as well

As an aside to every trooper, local or sherriff, it has never been my intention to diminish the importance of one's department...I was only trying to defend mine...

Posted by: cr2649

[quote=dave7336]

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Originally Posted by nirtallica

As an aside to every trooper, local or sherriff, it has never been my intention to diminish the importance of one's department...I was only trying to defend mine...

Well said. Everone should take pride in their department.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by nirtallica

I was not on the MSP then. Did the Chief at Braintree request assistance?

IIRC, a call went out over BAPERN 3, requesting assistance from whomever could provide it. In addition to all the surrounding communities, the T Police were there, Boston PD, as well as CMPSA. Okay, I made-up that last one.

I think it's improbable that the state police dispatchers, as well as the troopers with scanners, missed the call.

Posted by: EJI

The facts are the State Police did not show years ago when Braintree needed help. Now the towns have the LEC to call if they need help. So to all the troopers on this board continue to talk shit. I equate loud talk fom people as a foreshadowing of failure. Your outward projection is a smoke screen for your lack of confindence. In Eastern MA. you are now the Highway Patrol.

Posted by: ghostrider

Quote:

Originally Posted by EJI

The facts are the State Police did not show years ago when Braintree needed help. Now the towns have the LEC to call if they need help. So to all the troopers on this board continue to talk shit. I equate loud talk fom people as a foreshadowing of failure. Your outward projection is a smoke screen for your lack of confindence. In Eastern MA. you are now the Highway Patrol.

Really ?? Did you Join the Board today to post your wisdom and well informed opinion. I haven't been in Braintree in awhile, do they still have all those different color cruisers? You Know , with the pink, yellow, green and red paint jobs ?

Posted by: ghostrider

Braintree should have called the LEC Bomb Squad for this event!!

Grisly find: Police seize body parts and evidence of satanic worship in apartment

BRAINTREE, MA - A telephone tip from an informant led police to search an apartment where they found what appear to be a skull, bones, a brain, a fetus in a jar and dangerous chemicals, police said.

Officers also found books, drawings, writings and other paraphernalia indicating that George Picard, who lives in the apartment, is involved with satanic worship, Braintree police Lt. Russell Jenkins said.

Police believe the skull was taken from a tomb in a cemetery near the Stedman Avenue house where Picard lives in a second-floor apartment, Jenkins said.

The fetus, preserved in a jar, was on display on a bedroom dresser, "like you would have your baby picture," Jenkins said after local police and other law enforcement teams searched the apartment in a neighborhood near Braintree Square.

Picard, 34, was arrested on charges including disinterment of a body and was held for arraignment in Quincy District Court.

"My suspicion is that he is involved with some kind of devil worship or satanic activities," Jenkins said. "He has books; he has drawings."

Braintree police, firefighters, State Police and FBI agents spent more than nine hours combing the home at 44 Stedman Ave., which is adjacent to Route 3.

Officers found the skull in a box in the kitchen, Jenkins said. Also in the box was a jar with what police believed to be a human brain, Jenkins said. Police said the brain and the fetus likely came from a Boston-area hospital.

Jenkins said two other bones were discovered, though they were still be examined to determine whether they were real.

Braintree police obtained a warrant to search the apartment after receiving a tip Monday about the fetus, skull, and items Picard had allegedly stolen from a third-floor apartment in the same house, Jenkins said.

Police arrived on Stedman Avenue shortly after noon yesterday and remained on site until 9:30 p.m.

Officers called in the State Police bomb squad and FBI experts after discovering bottles of phenol-chloroform and hydrochloric acid, which when combined can form an explosive, Jenkins said.

Several glass vials of what appeared to be liquid mercury were also found, he said.

Bomb technicians determined there was no explosive threat, and Clean Harbors, a hazardous waste removal company, was called last night to remove and dispose of the chemicals, Jenkins said.

More than a dozen emergency vehicles lined Stedman Avenue, a small roadway off Elm Street. Some neighbors were evacuated from their homes in the early evening as a team of State Police troopers and FBI agents in white protective suits examined the chemicals.

Neighbors said Picard moved into the apartment about three years ago and that he is unemployed.

"He seemed like a normal guy," said one neighbor, who asked not to be named. "None of us can comprehend why he's like this."

The neighbor described Picard as an antiques collector and said she had been in his apartment before.

"None of that was visible to anybody," the neighbor said of the items police found.

Braintree police had arrested Picard on June 23 after a warrant search at the apartment uncovered suspected stolen property - a coffee table belonging to a Marshfield man and woman - and marijuana. Police said they noticed visible evidence of marijuana in the apartment and marijuana plants growing outside.

Picard subsequently pleaded innocent to receiving stolen property valued at more than $250, possession of marijuana with intent to distribute and violating drug laws near a school. He was released on his promise to return to court Aug. 2.

An informant called Braintree police Monday to say other stolen items, as well as the skull, could be found in the home, Jenkins said. Police obtained a search warrant yesterday morning.

During the search, police found antique tea cups and a chair that were allegedly taken from a third-floor apartment in the building, Jenkins said.

The chair was found in a hidden room off the basement, Jenkins said. Similar to a crawl space, the room was made of dirt and rock. Its entrance was concealed by a mirror, Jenkins said.

Officers also found marijuana in Picard's apartment, he said.

Jenkins described the apartment as "well-maintained."

"He had a lot of knickknacks," Jenkins said. "Among them were swords and knives. They were in shelves, hanging off the walls, upright in the corner."

Picard was home when police arrived. He was taken to Quincy Medical Center after complaining of symptoms similar to a panic attack, Jenkins said.

He was discharged and booked by police.

Posted by: ghostrider

Maybe Braintree can use some of their LEC funding to help feed and take care of their K-9's instead of resorting to fundraisers.

ARCHIVES

Raising money to help with police dog care

By MARK FONTECCHIO
The Patriot Ledger

WEYMOUTH - A Braintree woman is opening a gift store in Weymouth and wants to hand all proceeds to the Weymouth and Braintree police departments for their dogs.

Sam Riner, who retired from Milton public schools in June after 35 years of teaching, is setting up shop in a corner of the Soapy Dog, a canine grooming center on Route 18 in Weymouth.

‘‘I really believe that people should speak up for animals because they can’t speak up for themselves,’’ Riner said.

Riner, who brings her dogs to the Soapy Dog, said she came up with the idea after receiving a letter from the Braintree police dog foundation earlier this year. Soon after she was walking past the Braintree police station and stopped in.

She then decided to encourage her 4th-, 5th, and 6th-grade students to save up bottles and cans to raise money for the police dogs.

Riner said one of the parts of her job she loved was helping students raise funds for a good cause, something she did for the last five years of her career.

‘‘It’s not for me,’’ she said about the store’s proceeds. ‘‘I’m hoping to help raise awareness to the public for the police dogs and the necessity for helping them be maintained.’’

This summer, while at the Soapy Dog, Riner asked the owners if she could use part of their place as a gift shop.

In the shop she has a cornucopia of various knickknacks, including children’s games, picture frames, dishes and glassware, and even a Porsche for $1.

That is, a mug with a picture of a Porsche on it.

‘‘I think it’s great,’’ said Carol Yacobucci, who owns the Soapy Dog along with her husband Jim. ‘‘I mean, it’s for a good cause, and they certainly need the help.’’

In Braintree, the donations will go to the 5-year-old nonprofit Braintree Police Working Dog Foundation. Weymouth officials are still sorting out how they would accept the money.

‘‘It’s important for people to know that police take care of their own dogs,’’ Riner said.

Braintree Police Officer John McNamara said the money could go toward food and veterinarian bills for the dogs.

McNamara said the police dogs are valuable in chasing down and picking up the scent of criminals.

Copyright 2005 The Patriot Ledger
Transmitted Friday, October 14, 2005

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by ghostrider

I haven't been in Braintree in awhile, do they still have all those different color cruisers? You Know , with the pink, yellow, green and red paint jobs ?

The "rainbow patrol" was gone by the late 1970's, where have you been? Also, it's interesting you try to shit on a department that was left hanging by the state police.

Taking a page from Scumbag Defense Lawyering 101 and attacking the victim??

Posted by: ghostrider

Not attacking anyone. Once knew many fine Braintree officers......Graziano, Hickman, Condon, probably all retired now. Just questioning.........if they can not afford to feed their dogs, rely on MSP bomb Squad for assistance, perhaps they need to take a look at how they use their Taxpayer dollar's. Maybe the money spent on LEC support can be put to better use. Just a question ?

Posted by: nirtallica

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Originally Posted by EJI

Are you a PO or just another bago'sh@%? I think you are just another unsatisfied customer who wasn't good enough to wear French and Electric Blue!

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by nirtallica

Are you a PO or just another bago'sh@%? I think you are just another unsatisfied customer who wasn't good enough to wear French and Electric Blue!

Why is it that every criticism of the state police here is met with the same response....that the person is someone who tried but didn't get the job? Every law enforcement agency, and I mean EVERY one, has their share of problems. It's not a challenge to your manhood to admit it.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by ghostrider

Not attacking anyone. Once knew many fine Braintree officers......Graziano, Hickman, Condon, probably all retired now. Just questioning.........if they can not afford to feed their dogs, rely on MSP bomb Squad for assistance, perhaps they need to take a look at how they use their Taxpayer dollar's. Maybe the money spent on LEC support can be put to better use. Just a question ?

That's one of the downfalls of town government....everything has to be done in town meeting and approved by the residents, many (if not most) of whom have no concept of law enforcement. Do you know of any PD's the size of Braintree that does have a bomb squad?

Posted by: nirtallica

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Originally Posted by Delta784

It seems to me that in one post, we are like gods to these people and after an RTT starts, these same people turn against us in another post or disappear off this board completely (DOGMA 2001 you pu$%^). By the way, let EJI fight his/her own battles.

Posted by: 94c

Cities have their own special teams. The only reason MSP hates LEC's is because once they take over their surrounding towns, the only job the STOP Team will have left is changing the runway lights at Logan.

Posted by: dcs2244

Delta, what event occurred in Braintree (and how long ago) that the state did not respond to?

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Marshal Samuel Gerard: Alright, listen up, people. Our fugitive has been on the run for ninety minutes. Average foot speed over uneven ground barring injuries is 4 miles-per-hour. That gives us a radius of six miles. What I want from each and every one of you is a hard-target search of every gas station, residence, warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse and doghouse in that area. Checkpoints go up at fifteen miles. Your fugitive's name is Dr. Richard Kimble. Go get him.

Deputy Marshal Samuel Gerard: Newman, what are you doing?
Newman: I'm thinking.
Deputy Marshal Samuel Gerard: Well, think me up a cup of coffee and a chocolate doughnut with some of those little sprinkles on top, will ya!

Posted by: GARDA

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Originally Posted by 94c

Cities have their own special teams. The only reason MSP hates LEC's is because once they take over their surrounding towns, the only job the STOP Team will have left is changing the runway lights at Logan.

In the bag-kicking department, this isn't even "B" Grade material. Atleast humor us readers next time.

Posted by: Hartmn

Irish, its closer to 3 mph in my experience on average

All rivalries aside, the higher the standards for selection, the better. You can be a "bag o donuts" and be a great sniper, but some day a situation will develop where your lack of physical ability and conditioning will lower your potential performance and why should we, the public, accept that when we dont need to?

The state needs to set high standards state wide for "SWAT" teams, set up a full time training facility (Devens?) and have a full tie team. You cannot get overall excellence part time..and 1-2 days a month isn't part time, its a "hobby". Everyone in uniform should be having 1 day a month of response training, not the designated "SWAT" teams.

Be honest with yourself, all things being equel, your kids are in "Columbine" in MA, and there is a group of guys that trains 1-2 days a month, and a group that trains every day..who do you want going in? If you still say "my" (insert team name here), then your subjectivity is blinding you.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by dcs2244

Delta, what event occurred in Braintree (and how long ago) that the state did not respond to?

It was a union job action protesting the construction of the K-Mart off Route 3 near the Union Street rotary. It turned really ugly, really quickly, and Braintree PD called the cavalry. I believe it was around 1995-96.

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by Delta784

And who exactly made the call that MSP would not respond? If cops need help, you can bet your ass I would be there. F management if they make that call.

Posted by: Hartmn

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Originally Posted by Delta784

Delta, youare not correct, I was there. In fact I got called out on OT to respond there. I got there 20 minutes after it went to Sh$% and there were more than a dozen uniformed SP guys, an LT, and at least 1 Sgt. The action was over when I got there and we staged behind what I believeisnotthe BEst Buy with some Boston PD K9's and a T K9 and I think a Norfolk Sheriff K9 (Not sure about the last one) I know some of the guys were there when it was still hot and they got involved. I missed ALL the good stuff that day.

There is no way road guys would not go to something like that, even if told not to. They might do it under the radar, but they would be there hoping to get involved if it got ugly.

Check your facts before you start making inflammatory statements like that next time you decide to bash the SP

Posted by: SOT

Now for something slightly different...as we have beat this dead horse to death again....to death....once again.....we beat him to death this one more time....Going SWAT old skool

Da da-da daaaaa da da....Da da-da daaaaa da da...do do doooo0000 do do dooooooo do do do.

Posted by: chief801

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Originally Posted by SOT_II

Now for something slightly different...as we have beat this dead horse to death again....to death....once again.....we beat him to death this one more time....Going SWAT old skool

Da da-da daaaaa da da....Da da-da daaaaa da da...do do doooo0000 do do dooooooo do do do.

My parents let me stay up late to watch it...little did they know back then what the result would be!

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There was a picture that was supposed to go with it....

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by Hartmn

Check your facts before you start making inflammatory statements like that next time you decide to bash the SP

I don't have to check my facts, since I was there myself. Our entire day shift was held-over and sent there, along with half our evening shift. I do not recall seeing a single MSP person at the scene, and if you were staged behind Best Buy, that explains why.

Also, I am not bashing the state police, I'm merely providing specifics about the incident after someone else brought it up.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

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Originally Posted by Delta784

Why was'nt Massasoit PD's SWAT team activated,

we were never called!!!! LOL just kidding!

Posted by: Hartmn

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Originally Posted by Delta784

You didn't say that "you didn't recall seeing the State Police" there, you stated emphatically at various times that the State police was not there, did not respond, failed to assist police officers requesting backup etc. Lets face it, you were trying to bash the State Police by making inflammatory remarks alleging (incorrectly) that State Troopers had intentionally refused to aid officers in trouble. More importantly, your facts are totally incorrect. We were there, the first guys who arrived were involved in the disturbance before it ended. We were in the same parking lot where the disturbance occurred, we were not behind some building, in fact I don't think Best Buy was any further along than the K Mart was.

Posted by: dcs2244

Well, someone said it here before, but here goes: the staties are forbidden by law, to intervene in a labor action unless expressly directed by the Governor.

That having been said, few staties would allow a fellow cop to come to harm in such an event...I do not know if there is a protocol governing the msp in a support role (I'm not a boss) of a local primary action...I do know that the state cannot take the primary role unless directed to by the governor. It's likely that the state would "do the Hamas" thing and cover their faces with a rag...and then kick butt...but not take names!

Posted by: EJI

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Originally Posted by Hartmn

Its all water under the brigde now. The towns in Norfolk county formed Norstar after this event so lack of aid would not happen again for what ever reason. Norstar became part of Metrolec about five years ago. Towns in this part of the state have been using these teams for approx the last 8/9 years. I should not have called the MSP /highway patrol in a earlier post. I do have alot of respect for the talent on their specialized units and road troopers. It just seems every other post on this site takes a shot or a dig at anything not MSP.

Posted by: dcs2244

I think you're right EJI...the staties generally do not take shots at the locals, unless provoked, though they do take issue with "LECS"...I've never had an issue with locals...I just provide specialized services...call me and I'll be there for you.

If you work for a department that can remove a cop from patrol and dedicate him to a specialized function full-time, training included, more power to you! It lightens my burden...but if not, and this includes all the LEC's out there, then feel free to call me...the services are, for your department, free.

If you want to "go-it-alone"...fine. I just do not want to hear from the DA several months down the road that the invest was "(insert the cuss of your choice here) -up". I will refuse the invest...and if it costs me my job, then so-be-it. I'm through fixing your "home haircuts". Nothing against your training and education....everything against your experience.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by Hartmn

Uhhh.....no. Someone else stated that the state police refused to respond, which made me think, "Gee, now that I think of it, I didn't see the state police there". It didn't even register on my radar screen until someone mentioned it here.

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Originally Posted by Hartmn

More importantly, your facts are totally incorrect. We were there, the first guys who arrived were involved in the disturbance before it ended. We were in the same parking lot where the disturbance occurred, we were not behind some building, in fact I don't think Best Buy was any further along than the K Mart was.

If you were there, it was very much after the fact, because the main disturbance didn't happen in a parking lot, it happened at the intersection of Union Street and Ivory Street. And, I stand by what I said....I don't recall seeing a single MSP person there. After the tactical teams were mobilized, we were pulled out, since we were sent in to stop the bleeding, and weren't equipped for a riot situation.

Posted by: mtc

Delta:
When this incident happened, SP H Troop Dispatchers were Troopers - we arrived in '99.
As stated, quoted, shown, etc SP does not, cannot by law, intervene in a labor dispute. When said labor 'dispute' gets out of control, all bets are off.

In my limited experience in LE dispatch, I've NEVER seen a trooper, or any other LE officer ignore an OT call for assistance - EVER

Just because *YOU* didn't see any troopers there, doesn't mean they weren't. You've been told several times over, by posters on this board who tell you they were there, that you're apparently mistaken.

I do have to wonder though, did Braintree's command staff simply assume the STOP team was on it's way?
A call for assistance on BAPERN does not activate special teams. Did Braintree assume the troopers on scene requested the STOP team?