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Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Worcester T&G "Letters to the editor"

Sunday, April 16, 2006

State Police should watch their own driving

The front-page story, “Trooper’s crash backs up traffic” (Telegram & Gazette, April 7), details the tragic result of all-too-frequent behavior on the part of police, especially the state police, on Massachusetts roads. In short, they drive too fast, often without lights or sirens, even in unmarked cars, and push motorists out of traffic lanes.

I recently contacted the watch commander at one state police barracks because I was cut off by a cruiser merging from Route 2 to I-495. I was forced to hit my brakes and if another vehicle had been following closely an accident would have surely resulted. A ticket would have been the likely outcome if I had exhibited the same behavior.

The supervisor’s reply was that the vehicle was probably a secondary responder to an accident farther up and in the opposite direction and that he would contact the officer about my concerns. That’s fine, but the problem seems systemic to me. I have seen numerous convoys of police cruisers, some from out of state, driving up the passing lane on I-495 well above the speed limit. My surmise has been they were headed to an officer’s funeral and I often wonder if all of them will make it alive.

DAVID REINHART
Shrewsbury

Posted by: Wolfman

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DAVID REINHART
Shrewsbury

Thank you for your opinion Mr. Reinhart. I'm sure you appreciate when people come to your place of employment and tell you how things should be done due to some unique insight and perspective that is theirs and theirs alone. Now please return to the line with the rest of the lemmings and allow these officers to continue protecting you and your possessions.

When I go to a restaurant, I don't question why the waitress sees fit to overload the tray, possibly risking injury or dropping food. She knows what she is doing and I trust that she does too. Do plates get dropped? Certainly. Do waitresses get injured? Yes, they do. Are customers sometimes adversely affected due to this behavior? Affirmative. Do you see a great public outcry in the media. No friggin' way. I think Mr. Reinhart felt some indignance, needed to vent, and I hope he feels better now that he has stood up in the face of "The Man" and asserted himself.

I drive a lot and have never seen a police officer encourage a vehicle to move from a normal travel lane. I have seen them in the passing lane behind motorists who don't quite understand the concept of keeping to the right. Makes you wonder from where this fine citizen chose to enjoy his commute view.

Posted by: k9sheriff

I have to agree with Wolfman on this one.I travel the highways frequently either for training or other things and have never seen a Trooper pull up behind a vehicle like that except when they are in the high speeed lane.If I am in that lane I always pull over and let them pass and usually get a friendly wave.Maybe they like the k9 guys.but anyway If they drive at varying speeds I would guess this would be a tactical reason for catching erratic drivers.I'm just glad to know that they are out there.The drivers in Mass. are nothing but lunatics.

Posted by: j809

How much you wanna bet he got giged by MSP in the past?

Posted by: badogg88

I had this argument with some people at work not too long ago. They felt that they shouldn't have to slow down and move to the right in order to get out of a Trooper's way to let him go speeding by. What they DON'T understand is that the left lane is a passing lane and technically they're not supposed to be IN that lane unless they are passing cars. No one I talk to that isn't a police officer/Trooper, or doesn't know a PO/Trooper knows this small fact. I get in arguments over it and no one wants to listen that they're not supposed to be in that lane in the first place.

Posted by: bbelichick

Maybe they need a $100 reminder?

Posted by: SOT

What a pussy....can we say pussy?

Look unless you are in a cruiser, and on the job you have NO idead what they are doing and why they are driving fast....that being said...the simple thing to do is follow the law....
stay right except to pass.....

Posted by: phuzz01

You just can't win...if I drive in the right lane at the speed limit, people complain that the trooper is causing a traffic backup. If I drive in the left lane above the speed limit, people complain that the trooper is speeding. Whatever...

Posted by: 94c

It only makes sense that if you're a trooper patrolling miles and miles of highway, you either have to speed up or slow down to view different traffic.

Posted by: SPINMASS

They are taxpayers, they have a right to get an answer to their questions and demand results. At least that was what I was told by an Irate citizen. I can only imagine what a trooper must get.

Posted by: 48Weeks

Just another whiny bitchy member of the public who hates Cops. I am getting a coffee the other day (milk + splenda) and no fat pills. Asshole comes in points to his wife (who was still in car) and states "my wife just mentioned how it is screwed up that there are two police cruisers at D&D's". He giggles and says "you should go write her a ticket!". I consider myself in shape and I like a coffee. The wife was pushing 300 lbs. Why can't a Cop get a coffee without a comment, but anyone else who is working (on a break) can get one and it's OK. Unbelievable!

Posted by: SOT

David Reinhart
85 Lake St
Shrewsbury, MA 01545-5971
Tel.: (50

845-6663

Posted by: copcreamer

Hey "SPINMASS" since when are you beholden to taxpayers as a BI Security Guard.

Posted by: mtc

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I recently contacted the watch commander at one state police barracks because I was cut off by a cruiser merging from Route 2 to I-495. I was forced to hit my brakes and if another vehicle had been following closely an accident would have surely resulted.

Of course, no excuses given as to why this guy was flying in the right lane ?? You know, the lane you have to MERGE in ?? The lane you have to watch for merging traffic ?

Posted by: Crvtte65

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Originally Posted by copcreamer

Hey "SPINMASS" since when are you beholden to taxpayers as a BI Security Guard.

Play nice copcreamer...

Posted by: wbrendel

I agree with mtc; paying attention to merging traffic is a basic part of defensive driving and should be practiced by all drivers, even if you're in the passing lane! The driver in the article didn't seem to be following that advice. Although the merging traffic is supposed to yield, you're asking for trouble speeding in the right-hand lane, whether you're near an onramp or not.

Posted by: Nancy

Hey, SOT_II, posting someone's personal information because you don't agree with them really sucks. Everyone was upset, and rightly so, when Gil's address was posted on that anti-cop site. IMO, this is no better, and possibly worse as you are in a position of authority.

Posted by: dcs2244

Nancy, it's just to let the lemmings know that "free speech" is like a "free lunch": nothing is free...

Nobody here is going to use that information...for at least two years!

Posted by: Wolfman

Especially if that information is publicly available on any internet search engine.

Posted by: RPD931

Somebody blurted to me once "I pay my taxes", trying to nicely refer to paying my salary. My reply: "That's nice, I pay taxes too."

It also amazes me how many people do not understand the use of the left, middle and right lanes. And you gotta love how when a marked cruiser is behind a car, that driver slows down well below the speed limit - like 45 while in a 65 - on the PIKE!. Granted people should respect the speed limit, especially in Police presence, but there's no need to crawl - just drive normal. Nothing like hauling ass on the pike at 80 mph and come onto a car doing 45

WTF?

I had a old timer who was doing 25 in a 50. In a matter of about 2 minutes there were about 18 cars behind us because he was going so slow. So I pulled him over, explained to him how going so slow is a hazard and obstructs traffic. All he kept saying was "But I wasn't speeding!" He just didn't get it.

Posted by: potatochip

[quote=RPD931]Somebody blurted to me once "I pay my taxes", trying to nicely refer to paying my salary. My reply: "That's nice, I pay taxes too."[quote]

I actually had someone yelling that they pay my salary recently. That is until I pointed out that he was from Rhode Island and last time I checked I was working for a Massachusetts dept. He wasn't amused when I told him that since he wasn't actually paying my salary, the least he could do was appeal the cite and get me some overtime.

Posted by: MSP75

For at least a week all POs should drive not one mile over the limit on all roads. ALL MVs that pass a cruiser for anything over the limit are to be cited. All stationary post to cite for the same. Especially, the news crews responding to a story/incident. I am sure the public would support this, since so many are concerned about our speeding.

Posted by: mannysaba

I have seen cruisers on 495 traveling at speeds in excess of 90Mph. Yes, I know about staying to the right and I myself will exceed the speed limit by 5 - 10 Mph. When a cruiser is traveling that fast with no visual or audible warning, it is reckless. At that speed, if the vehicle were to become out of control, he or she is a danger to themself and to other drivers. Everybody travels in the left lane (passing lane). Are you going to give everyone a ticket?? No, you are not, so it would just be considerate and maybe safer to hit the siren or flash the lights so a driver can get out of the way. I am sure the off duty troopers in here always follow the rules right guys?? How about before you were troopers, never broke the speed limit or drove in tha passing lane. Have an open mind and try to see the situation from our perspective too.

Posted by: Wolfman

Somebody call the WAHHHHHMMBULANCE!!!

Posted by: tazoez

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Originally Posted by mannysaba

I have seen cruisers on 495 traveling at speeds in excess of 90Mph. Yes, I know about staying to the right and I myself will exceed the speed limit by 5 - 10 Mph. When a cruiser is traveling that fast with no visual or audible warning, it is reckless. At that speed, if the vehicle were to become out of control, he or she is a danger to themself and to other drivers. Everybody travels in the left lane (passing lane). Are you going to give everyone a ticket?? No, you are not, so it would just be considerate and maybe safer to hit the siren or flash the lights so a driver can get out of the way. I am sure the off duty troopers in here always follow the rules right guys?? How about before you were troopers, never broke the speed limit or drove in tha passing lane. Have an open mind and try to see the situation from our perspective too.

OK, I know that I am not a member of any LE agency -- guess that makes me a target for posting this comment

-- but if you think about this with a bit of common sense then you wouldn't have posted this. If the Troopers were driving at the same rate of speed as everyone else, then how are they supposed to know what other drivers are doing except for those drivers that are around them at that time. They would HAVE to drive atleast 10 - 15 mph faster than everyone else. Oh and BTW, if traffic is going 75-80 mph, then that would mean (using 15) 90 - 95 mph.
On a personal note, I have friends that are Troopers and I trust their driving a hell of a lot more than 95% of people that have their licenses in this state.

Posted by: SOT

I have no authority at all, That information is available on the "interwebs" and in fact was part of a lawsuit as this person was contesting the denial of a airmen certificate due to a security violation.

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.c...docketid=14293

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Originally Posted by Nancy

Hey, SOT_II, posting someone's personal information because you don't agree with them really sucks. Everyone was upset, and rightly so, when Gil's address was posted on that anti-cop site. IMO, this is no better, and possibly worse as you are in a position of authority.

Posted by: mtc

Let us mere mortal civilians not forget, Troopers are trained in high speed driving. The average commuting Joe isn't .

They are far more qualified to drive at those speeds, and the general motoring public should plain button it or go to the academy.

Posted by: Killjoy

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If the Troopers were driving at the same rate of speed as everyone else, then how are they supposed to know what other drivers are doing except for those drivers that are around them at that time. They would HAVE to drive atleast 10 - 15 mph faster than everyone else. Oh and BTW, if traffic is going 75-80 mph, then that would mean (using 15) 90 - 95 mph.
On a personal note, I have friends that are Troopers and I trust their driving a hell of a lot more than 95% of people that have their licenses in this state.

Well said; I am not, nor ever was, a leadfoot, I generally go at or slightly above the speed limit. One thing I had difficulty with on break in is going fast enough to constantly pass traffic, in order to check out the vehicles around me. My first coach was always telling me; "Go faster! If you're not passing traffic, then you're looking at the same 4 cars, and not doing your job!"

Posted by: Nancy

Before I comment on my previous post I think it's time I introduced myself. I'm not in law enforcement. Does that mean I'm a lemming?

I found this site through a series of links and have been lurking for a while. Although I am currently living in the northeast, I am from Los Angeles, where the LAPD has not always had the best reputation with the community. Reading the comments from police officers has been very educational and I think it would be great if more "civilians" saw this site. Before coming here, I was one of the people who wondered why you couldn't just shoot someone in the leg or arm. I admit, it seems a rather naive opinion now.

I do realize that many of the knee-jerk reactions and venting are a way of letting off steam. I worked in AIDS research for many years and people would have been horrified at our death humor and bawdy comments. It was a coping mechanism for dealing with the frequent death of our patients and certainly did not reflect how we truly felt.

Having said that, I don't see any reason for posting someone's address here regardless of how easy it is to find on the internet. What's the purpose other than intimidation?

I want to end by thanking those of you who put your life on the line to protect the rest of us. I have a great deal of respect for the job you do, thanks in part to what I have read here. Okay, I'm done...for now.

Posted by: SOT

What exactly do you think a law enforcement officer would do with the information? Do you think they would go beat him up? Drive out of their jurisdiction to sit in front of his house?

In the pursuit of civil discourse, debate and discussion are the foundation for understanding and compromise. Maybe some one would write him a letter and explain the differences, maybe one of the numerous MSP officials that read this site would investigate and follow-up on the letter.

Just because you bring your prejudice and hate to this site (obvious by the fact that you think an address and phone number is a means to an end for retribution)....don't lay that down on the rest of us.

Maybe you would stalk the guy, but I doubt anyone else here would.

Posted by: j809

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I have seen cruisers on 495 traveling at speeds in excess of 90Mph.

Take the test and you can too, WHA WHA.

Posted by: Dreamer

Ok, with all these comments and I have read every single one, you mean to tell me that an off-duty police officer doesnt driver faster because he can? I drive the pike all the time and have been "moved" over out of the passing lane. Not a problem, I was using it for passing and was moving over any way. But my question is, How can A police officer see cars when they are speeding past them? Dont get me wrong I love our troopers and I understand they do not always use their lights/sirens when they are responding to calls. (DMV's etc). The thing that bugs me living in worcester though Is WHY WHY WHY going through kelley square does a WPD officer @ 4pm turn his lights on and wail through traffic and then once he proceedes through the mess of traffic turn into the the BK and beggins to shoot the shit with another police officer? I love WPD, a lot and I know your all going to ask "how do you know what he was doing?" Well, I Dont but while i was filling up and getting a quick bite to eat they were laughing and or probably blowing off steam. Well, whatever the case I do want to be a p/o and support everthing just about everything they do...but i just dont understand that. Kelley Square is a NIGHTMARE!!!! Cars were dodging left and right or stopping b/c people Dont know how to drive(yes i understand some people should not have a Licesnse)...and almost caused a few accidents. Why not sit in traffic you get paid for it? Using lights and Sirens is something that should be used for Emergencies (obviously). But, please guys how can "lemmings" follow the rules if you cannot abide by them yourselves? Do we not use the motto Practice what you preach? Take care guys and Godbless, Because one thing we all do know is all us lemmings "hate police officers, Until we need them."

Posted by: Pvt. Cowboy

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

Ok, with all these comments and I have read every single one, you mean to tell me that an off-duty police officer doesnt driver faster because he can? I drive the pike all the time and have been "moved" over out of the passing lane. Not a problem, I was using it for passing and was moving over any way. But my question is, How can A police officer see cars when they are speeding past them? Dont get me wrong I love our troopers and I understand they do not always use their lights/sirens when they are responding to calls. (DMV's etc). The thing that bugs me living in worcester though Is WHY WHY WHY going through kelley square does a WPD officer @ 4pm turn his lights on and wail through traffic and then once he proceedes through the mess of traffic turn into the the BK and beggins to shoot the shit with another police officer? I love WPD, a lot and I know your all going to ask "how do you know what he was doing?" Well, I Dont but while i was filling up and getting a quick bite to eat they were laughing and or probably blowing off steam. Well, whatever the case I do want to be a p/o and support everthing just about everything they do...but i just dont understand that. Kelley Square is a NIGHTMARE!!!! Cars were dodging left and right or stopping b/c people Dont know how to drive(yes i understand some people should not have a Licesnse)...and almost caused a few accidents. Why not sit in traffic you get paid for it? Using lights and Sirens is something that should be used for Emergencies (obviously). But, please guys how can "lemmings" follow the rules if you cannot abide by them yourselves? Do we not use the motto Practice what you preach? Take care guys and Godbless, Because one thing we all do know is all us lemmings "hate police officers, Until we need them."

Can you blame WPD for using lights and sirens to get through Kelley Square?! It's the most screwed up intersection/rotary in the state. There are some idiot drivers that go through there, nobody wants to let anyone through... I worry my ass off everytime I leave Block 5...

Were you coming from Rage? HA!! J/k with ya...

Posted by: Dreamer

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Originally Posted by Pvt. Cowboy

Rage? Nope.LOL I see your point about how would they get through this intersection, but it's not just at this one... its all over the city. Dont get me wrong I love WPD, worcester is a screwed up place, with screwed up traffic and those guys work very hard!

I just would like to understand and see it from another view. Ty Cowboy

Posted by: Pvt. Cowboy

I follow ya bro. I see it happen too... late at night especially. The takedowns go on just to rip through an intersection in Tatnuck... But hey.. who are we to judge or question the acts of law enforcement. We don't know what kind of secret squirrel things they have going on... Maybe the two worcester guys were meeting prior to continuing an investigation, and there were circumstances that were comical about the invest. As far as I'm concerned... if I'm not being stopped, more power to ya...

Posted by: Nancy

Prejudice and hate? Why, because I don't agree with you? Perhaps you can find my address and send me send me one of those nice letters you describe.

Seriously, if anyone else saw prejudice and hate in my post then I apologize. In fact, it was my intention to express quite the opposite.

Nancy

Posted by: SOT

Prejudice and hate in that you seem to see an address and immediately think the worst will come of it.

Only a person that would intimidate someone would think that posting an address of someone is an act of intimidation. More so your lack of faith in police seem to make you think they will go do something to this guy, sad...very sad.

Posted by: SinePari

1. POs are paid to keep traffic moving, not sit in it, which means this is part of TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT.
2. Going faster than the posted speed limit and "using your lights" to move traffic isn't always the best solution. People do some BIZARRE things when a cruiser is behind them. How many guys here have had a NY or CT driver pull into the median? Or come to a complete skidding stop?
3. Traffic will be dictated by traffic, not POs. The Pike, 495 and other wide open roads have a tendancy to be in the 80mph zone, with or without any enforcement. I'll bet most guys have been in a FULLY MARKED cruiser doing 80-ish and someone STILL comes flying up your ass!
4. I agree...Kelly Square needs to be destroyed!

Remember the "55" teams? Driving around the highways at 55mph...what if they did that today? CHAOS!!!

Posted by: MSP75

Some of the biggest traffic problems I have seen is when I am going the speed limit for a long distance. It looks like the Great Woods lot clearing out after a concert. Everyone behind me is praying for me to go fast (you know in your police hating heart that is true).

As for the NY drivers, I know they can use the left BDL when pulling over in NY. But, to any New Yorker reading this, does it make since to do that when there is only one foot of space to the left. NY hasn't outlawed commonsense yet, has it?

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

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Originally Posted by MSP75

NY hasn't outlawed commonsense yet, has it?

Yes, they outlawed that years ago

Posted by: federal officer

I hate to admit it but I'm a closet hammerlane driver "leadfoot"

Hey if MSP get up on your ass get the f**k out of the way.

Posted by: Nancy

Actually, SOT, it's not the people who are police officers that most concern me.

I don't think you should have posted that address. You think it was fine. We disagree. That's all. There's nothing else for me to say.

Posted by: SinePari

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Originally Posted by federal officer

I hate to admit it but I'm a closet hammerlane driver "leadfoot"

Hey if MSP get up on your ass get the f**k out of the way.

Hey, somebody who "gets it"!

I'll add this to stir things up a bit...

Don't forget, driving is a priveledge, not a right. If you're on the roads of the commonwealth, sworn LE are in charge, not the happy motorist. We do not go to McDonalds and tell John Q. Motorist how to cook his cheeseburgers.

If this complainer's little ego was hurt because he was cut off, maybe he should take the next exam, get 6 months of love from the SPA, and eventually become an EVOC instructor.

BTW, I've been cut off dozen's of times while driving the cruiser and did not stop and cite for same. Sometimes people just drink too much stupid juice.

Posted by: tazoez

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Originally Posted by SinePari

BTW, I've been cut off dozen's of times while driving the cruiser and did not stop and cite for same. Sometimes people just drink too much stupid juice.

Geez, your a lot nicer than most Troopers that I know. Though I would assume that your windows were up and a few choice words were said about them, lol.

Lets face it, most drivers do not know what they are doing when they are on the road -- this is why there are a lot of accidents. As for the leadfoot comments, in all honest I have been accused of having one myself. But, I also know better than to speed in residential areas, school zones -- basically where if something can go wrong, it will. I-90 and I-91 is another story

. However, unlike most mass drivers I don't ride a persons bumper to push them out of the way. There is a difference between speeding and driving like an idiot.

on a personal note -- you think the square is bad???? You should see the East Longmeadow "rotary", if you can call it that. I've been almost taken out so many times their its not even funny.

Posted by: Sgt. Canseco

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Sometimes people just drink too much stupid juice.

Very true...

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Question: Why do Troopers or Police Officers drive fast?

1. A. Because they have to take a shit and need to get back to the barracks or station quick.

2. B. Because they have coffee and donuts waiting for them somewhere.

3. C. Because they can.

4. D. All of the above.

Posted by: SOT

So you are saying it's people like you that are not police officers that might do something bad? Why? it has nothing to do with them...

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Originally Posted by Nancy

Actually, SOT, it's not the people who are police officers that most concern me.

I don't think you should have posted that address. You think it was fine. We disagree. That's all. There's nothing else for me to say.

Posted by: SinePari

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Originally Posted by tazoez

Geez, your a lot nicer than most Troopers that I know. on a personal note -- you think the square is bad???? You should see the East Longmeadow "rotary", if you can call it that. I've been almost taken out so many times their its not even funny.

I'm FAIR, not nice

East Longmeadow rotary, Chicopee curve, Agawam Bridge (during Six Flaggs season)...BTDT

Posted by: mannysaba

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Originally Posted by j809

Take the test and you can too, WHA WHA.

I did take the test. I scored a 95. Waited around long enough and then moved to North Carolina

Posted by: mannysaba

Oh, a MSP cruiser came within a foot of hitting my wife after he got in his cruiser, whipped a donut and took off across Foxboro stadium Parking Lot to chase a guy with a $10.00 bag of weed. High speed training...give me a break. You do some agressive driving in the academy and thats it. It's like the firearms training. How many of you troopers actually go to the range other than to qualify. I probably see more range time and can shoot better than most cops. Sorry to go off topic but I needed to to say that. My friend is a Woonsocket cop. Two days after he graduated, he backed the cruiser into a telephone pole.

Posted by: Mikey682

You are my hero.

Posted by: Dr.Magoo

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Originally Posted by mannysaba

Oh, a MSP cruiser came within a foot of hitting my wife after he got in his cruiser, whipped a donut and took off across Foxboro stadium Parking Lot to chase a guy with a $10.00 bag of weed. High speed training...give me a break. You do some agressive driving in the academy and thats it. It's like the firearms training. How many of you troopers actually go to the range other than to qualify. I probably see more range time and can shoot better than most cops. Sorry to go off topic but I needed to to say that. My friend is a Woonsocket cop. Two days after he graduated, he backed the cruiser into a telephone pole.

Just a few points. I doubt the Trooper was a "foot" away from hitting your wife. How do you know where he was going, was it you with the weed? Why bring up the donut stereotype? (Typical lemming) And your friend should learn how to drive.

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by mannysaba

Face it, you are a dope. What do you know about Driver Training? The MSP EVOC School is one of the best in the Country. "Aggressive Driving"? Multiple, high speed slaloms and serpentines, multiple driving courses, high speed pursuits, classroom and Computer Simulations?

You don't have a clue what you are talking about. And the "most cops" you shoot better than doesn't include me.

Posted by: Killjoy

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Oh, a MSP cruiser came within a foot of hitting my wife after he got in his cruiser, whipped a donut and took off across Foxboro stadium Parking Lot to chase a guy with a $10.00 bag of weed

What if this clown decided to smoke his weed, then ran down your kid...would you consider that a harmless crime? Ever heard of OUI-Drugs? What if this guy with the weed had a warrant out for murder? Often traffic stops are a means to an end in law enforcement, but you wouldn't know anything about that, being a "lemming". Boob.

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I probably see more range time and can shoot better than most cops.

I guarantee this statement is not true concerning me, and I'll take you on in any weapon at any distance, pistol, rifle, shotgun or sub-machinegun.

Posted by: tazoez

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Originally Posted by Killjoy

Often traffic stops are a means to an end in law enforcement, but you wouldn't know anything about that, being a "lemming". Boob.

Well said -- that is how they caught that a$$hole that raped the WNEC student. Traffic enforcement stop on a PT crusier -- generally assuming that a BOLO went out on the car -- and the Longmeadow officer walking up to the car and noticed in the back seat a big knife and ski mask.
I know that this is mostly how people with warrants are found -- and I'm currently, as everyone would put it, a "lemming". The difference between me and this other person is that I am well educated in the area of Law Enforcement -- unfortunatly in theory and not practical working knowledge as of yet

Posted by: nirtallica

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Originally Posted by mannysaba

I did take the test. I scored a 95. Waited around long enough and then moved to North Carolina

Thank God! Who the hell would wantsomeone like you with your attitude! You probably would have lasted 1 minute in the SPA. Go back to flippin' burgers or picking up trash and let us handle the roads f*&^knuts!

Posted by: GD

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Originally Posted by mannysaba

My friend is a Woonsocket cop. Two days after he graduated, he backed the cruiser into a telephone pole.

Maybe, he should go back to EVOC!!! Your "friend," the Woonsocket,RI cop must not be a close friend because he needs to enlighten you!!!!

Posted by: mtc

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Originally Posted by mannysaba

Oh, a MSP cruiser came within a foot of hitting my wife after he got in his cruiser.

Wifey needs to learn to move it.

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My friend is a Woonsocket cop. Two days after he graduated, he backed the cruiser into a telephone pole.

This is a proud moment? Oh, do brag on!!

Posted by: mannysaba

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Originally Posted by Dr.Magoo

It was in the parking lot of Foxboro stadium during a big all day concert. Yes he was within a foot and wife was pregnant. The kid they were chasing ran by us less than 50 yards away. Cops make mistakes too and often.

Posted by: mannysaba

How ignorant are you. You don't even know me. I am stating a fact.

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Originally Posted by nirtallica

Posted by: mannysaba

I do not flip burgers and probably hold a higher education than you. I also probably make more money than you as well. Most of you guys become defensive because you know alot of these comments are true. The problem is, you guys always come up with some excuse to justify these actions. You guys can never be wrong.

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Originally Posted by nirtallica

Posted by: mannysaba

C'mon man, you really think this is difficult. All of which you just stated is aggressive driving. Did the trooper who crashed his motorcycle take the same training? Stop being so narrow minded. How do you know you shoot better than me? I never said I can shoot better than you. I did say I could shoot better than most cops. Why are most cops so defensive?

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Posted by: mannysaba

That's funny, this is a direct quote from you(Killjoy) from another thread you moron. Did you notice stated I could shoot better than most and not all cops. I am not saying I am better than you but I would be up to the challenge anyday. Your ego has more to lose than mine. Remember, If you shoot better than me, big deal..I am just a civillian with minimal training. If I beat you, then how will your sensative ego handle that? I know ex-marines that would shoot circles around any cop. Now i do understand many cops are ex-marine and have received additional training as well.

"Remember that most police officers are not "gun guys", and practice very little (if at all), except for during qualification. I am also completely satisfied with the

Posted by: mannysaba

Do you really think the SPA is that difficult? This is my spin on it. I have been through bootcamp and I can only assume that the SPA is pretty similar. The reason why you have such a high drop rate is because it is easier to quit. In bootcamp, you can't just say, "the military isn't for me, I'm out of here" You are owned by the government and really have no choice. SEAL training is the same. You have the option to quit which is why you have such a high drop out rate. I know that is a poor comparison because I know the SPA is easier than SEAL (B.U.D.S School). Go take a look at the FBI requirements. I bet most of you couldn't even pass the pre-qual.

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Posted by: dcs2244

So much fodder, Manny...where to begin?

Why would anyone take their gravid wife to the toilet that is Foxboro Stadium? Further, I'm willing to suggest that my education and intelligence (and that of others on this board) is at the very least, equal to yours, even though I'm just a skanky old cop. Perhaps I'm not as adept with firearms as you (unlikely)...but my former wife, who is also just a cop, is far superior to you in this field, and yes, I don't know you or your abilities, but I do know her abilities...unless you're Carlos Hathcock, STFU. As far as pay goes, a lot of people here are knocking down a C note a year...without even breathing hard. This can go up to a buck 25 for those who want it (No, I'm not one of them).

Piece of free advice (for what it's worth): you see a cop...get out of it's way. Period. They have a job to do...insure that you are not that job.

Posted by: mannysaba

BSEE, eqal eh. I've looked at your criminal justice degree. We take those courses for electives. I am sure we were not the only husband and pregnant wife at that concert. What the hell kind of comment was that? Once again, another cop who becomes very defensive. I guess it's that caveman mentality again. I just want to see one cop admit they over-do it sometimes. It seems for every poor decision (if there is one) a cop makes, there is an exuse to justify it. As for your former wife, I hope I never get into a fire fight with her. I am no AAA marksman but I can hold my own with a pistol and shotgun. Oh, and just so you know, I am a step 8 driver who has never been in trouble with law.

Posted by: SinePari

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Originally Posted by mannysaba

Once again, another cop who becomes very defensive.

Three times on this thread you went on the OFFENSIVE, hence, the defense you troll. Good luck getting on the job in NC, where the average Sheriffs/Police Dept starts at about $22K a year.

Posted by: SOT

Give it a rest asshat, nobody cares about your sad life and sad little BS story.
Next thing you know your wife will be black, handicapped, and god know what else to make the story even more inflammatory.

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Originally Posted by mannysaba

I do not flip burgers and probably hold a higher education than you. I also probably make more money than you as well. Most of you guys become defensive because you know alot of these comments are true. The problem is, you guys always come up with some excuse to justify these actions. You guys can never be wrong.

Posted by: dcs2244

Yeah,I forgot that in my last post: since when was Douglas, MA moved to North Carolina? Loser...Manny, I hope you can go to some other state where your superior intellect will allow you to secure a law enforcement job...rather than having to work with us severely retarded folks here in Massachusetts. Best wishes,

Dave.

Posted by: mannysaba

Well, at least you can admit it. How was I offensive. I was stating a fact. Narrow minded fools. The average pay for a sherriff or police officer is around 35K, not that that is much better. I will stay in IT which is why I moved here. I am not trying to start a war of words or post a sad story. That did happen but I don't hold a grudge. I was just stating a fact. C'mon man...

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Originally Posted by dcs2244

Yeah,I forgot that in my last post: since when was Douglas, MA moved to North Carolina? Loser...Manny, I hope you can go to some other state where your superior intellect will allow you to secure a law enforcement job...rather than having to work with us severely retarded folks here in Massachusetts. Best wishes,

Dave.

Posted by: mannysaba

I am not trying to secure a law enforcement job and I haven't change my goegraphical information yet. How does that make me a loser?

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Originally Posted by dcs2244

Posted by: mannysaba

So are you saying that even though the Commonwealth pays you a hundred grand or sometimes more, you don't work very hard for it? With that said, you still have to do alot of overtime to get that. I would rather be playing golf or spending time with my family.

Posted by: dcs2244

I can't speak for other cops...but I haven't had OT (nor those in my section) for over a year. But, yeah, I'll still make a buck this year. If I choose to work OT (if/when it becomes available) or details, yeah, I'll make more.

I neither know nor care if you are trying to get-on-the-job...but why else would your lemming behind be posting here? Go back to NC and leave us in peace...we have more than enough a$$holes wasting bandwidth...Good luck in your future endeavors...

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by mannysaba

C'mon man, you really think this is difficult. All of which you just stated is aggressive driving. Did the trooper who crashed his motorcycle take the same training? Stop being so narrow minded. How do you know you shoot better than me? I never said I can shoot better than you. I did say I could shoot better than most cops. Why are most cops so defensive?

You F*CKING IDIOT! Trooper Cila's motorcycle had a mechanical malfunction that caused that accident. The accident that KILLED him in the line of duty, you pr*ck. Score one for the MSP process that kept this idiot off the Job.

You have just proven yourself to be an utter MORON. Shut the F*CK up.

Posted by: bbelichick

Funny, for a guy who thinks so little of Cops...He spends a lot of time asking about getting on the MSP. Why even waste your time taking the test?

As far as IT...good luck. Usually IT people are the first to go when the layoffs start. They are very expendable.

Posted by: mannysaba

I was just going by the payscale on the MSP website. I noticed it is a 2003 scale and may be updated. According to that scale, you would have to be a Trooper step 7 just to gross in the 60K range. Maybe there is some other extra pay you get but I know my math isn't wrong. I lived in MA almost all my life and I really do like it there but you and I both know how expensive it is becoming to live there. I wanted to be a state trooer man. I took the test and scored a 95. That's not to shabby. I couldn't wait any longer. I have a wife and three kids to support so I had to go. The south offers a much cheaper cost of living plus no harsh winter. Being in IT, I now make more than I did up there. I don't know what a lemming is but I do support all Law enforcement. I may take the trooper test down here. The job starts around 35K so it would be a massive pay cut. Please don't get the wrong idea about me.

Posted by: Clouseau

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Originally Posted by mannysaba

. Did the trooper who crashed his motorcycle take the same training? ?

You crossed the line junior.

You will never be a cop.

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by mannysaba

Please don't get the wrong idea about me.

Oh, I think I have the right idea. You suck.

Posted by: mannysaba

I know he passed away and I am sorry for that. What was the malfunction anyway. How would making that statement make me a moron or an F-ing Idiot. It seems that is the only way you know how to reply is with vulgarity and insults. A fine display of your intelligence.

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Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by mannysaba

I know he passed away and I am sorry for that. What was the malfunction anyway. How would making that statement make me a moron or an F-ing Idiot. It seems that is the only way you know how to reply is with vulgarity and insults. A fine display of your intelligence.

1. None of your business.

2. How does making fun of a Trooper killed in the line of duty make you an f-ing Idiot? I guess you have to be a true idiot to ask that question as well.

Go drive a desk, computer boy.

Posted by: mannysaba

Crossed what line? How does making a statement affect my ability to be a police officer? Who are you calling junior?

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Originally Posted by Clouseau

You crossed the line junior.

You will never be a cop.

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by mannysaba

Crossed what line? How does making a statement affect my ability to be a police officer? Who are you calling junior?

Know when to say when. Go away. You are a bad human being and a nitwit.

That fact that you don't get what you have done means you should NEVER be a cop.

Posted by: nevrehc

Manny, the msp boxing team is looking for volunteers to raise money for orphaned and at risk kids. Fights are coming soon, do you wish to take this to the ring? Might bring in some good money for a good cause and some good laughs. Not a threat, just a way to settle some differences. I'm sure DCS would be in your corner. Maybe Tpr. Cilias wife will be in the other corner with the gloves on. Then you would be allowed to open your suck about a person who can not defend himself.

PS you should add the "by" to the end of your screen name.

Posted by: mannysaba

1-I wasn't making fun of him.

2-I didn't know it was a malfunction

3-All I did was ask a question

4-All the globe reported was he was in the tunnel, not going very fast and then lost control.

I am very sorry for his family that he passed away and I think you took my question as an insult more than a real question. I surely do not intend to insult anyone on this site.
What's with all the name calling?

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Originally Posted by bbelichick

Know when to say when. Go away. You are a bad human being and a nitwit.

That fact that you don't get what you have done means you should NEVER be a cop.

Posted by: bbelichick

Nothing. You suck.

Posted by: mannysaba

What do you mean by that? "by" Look man, I wasn't making fun of anyone but if I lived up there I surely would. I am not afraid to get my ass kicked but I can assure it wouldn't be that easy.

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Originally Posted by nevrehc

Manny, the msp boxing team is looking for volunteers to raise money for orphaned and at risk kids. Fights are coming soon, do you wish to take this to the ring? Might bring in some good money for a good cause and some good laughs. Not a threat, just a way to settle some differences. I'm sure DCS would be in your corner. Maybe Tpr. Cilias wife will be in the other corner with the gloves on. Then you would be allowed to open your suck about a person who can not defend himself.

PS you should add the "by" to the end of your screen name.

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by mannysaba

What do you mean by that? "by" Look man, I wasn't making fun of anyone but if I lived up there I surely would. I am not afraid to get my ass kicked but I can assure it wouldn't be that easy.

Are you of the "exceptionally tough IT guy" species?

Laughable.

Posted by: mannysaba

Look you guys, I want to apologize for what I wrote even though I did not intend to offend anyone. Death is not a joking matter for anyone and especially for a 22 year veteran trooper who was loved by all. I made a bad choice of words and admit I was wrong. I have family and many friends who are police officers. I worry about all of them. This thread took a wrong turn somewhere and just got worse. In my defense, I will say that I am a good human being and I am very conscience of how I make people feel. I wish I did score a little higher on that test because I would have worked my ass off to be the best cop I could be for not only me but my fellow officers. Once again...I apologize.

Sincerley,

Manny

Posted by: SinePari

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Originally Posted by mannysaba

Once again...I apologize. Sincerley, Manny

'Nuff said. Let's move on.

Posted by: KozmoKramer

This thread has drifted far enough off-topic and meets the qualifications for closure.
+Thread Closed.+

Posted by: dcs2244

Hey, Koz, have pity on this fool...let him continue to post and prove he's an idiot.

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