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Boston University CJ Masters and Quinn

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Posted by: divingcop911

I did some searches in the forum for this and have yet to find a qualitative answer, so forgive me if this has already exhausted. However, I am curious as to whether anyone knows if there is ANY way the Master of Criminal Justice degree from BU can qualify for the Quinn Bill. I know it is not on the list of schools; however, it is a nationally and regionally accredited program and the subject matter is very detailed and intense. It is not one of those rubber stamp degrees. I was accepted into the program AFTER January 1st of this year if that means anything too. According to the actual bill, it would appear that any accredited courses OR a program approved by the Board of Education...it does not state accredited courses AND approval by the BoE. Thanks


Posted by: RustyShackleford

Quote:
Originally Posted by divingcop911
I did some searches in the forum for this and have yet to find a qualitative answer, so forgive me if this has already exhausted. However, I am curious as to whether anyone knows if there is ANY way the Master of Criminal Justice degree from BU can qualify for the Quinn Bill. I know it is not on the list of schools; however, it is a nationally and regionally accredited program and the subject matter is very detailed and intense. It is not one of those rubber stamp degrees. I was accepted into the program AFTER January 1st of this year if that means anything too. According to the actual bill, it would appear that any accredited courses OR a program approved by the Board of Education...it does not state accredited courses AND approval by the BoE. Thanks
If it is not on the list, it does not qualify. For a Masters from BU to qualify, you would have had to been enrolled prior to 1/1/04.

Click here for specifics


Posted by: Delta784

There is an appeals process to get degrees from schools not on the list approved, but it's by no means a sure thing. It would really suck to spend $20,000 on a degree (BU is among the most expensive CJ graduate degrees around), and then find out it's not Quinn-eligible.

Take the safe route, and go with a school from the approved list. If you're looking for a challenging program, I'd recommend UMass-Lowell (my alma mater) or Northeastern.


Posted by: divingcop911

I would love to take the safe route, but I need a program that is accessible to me while still working a full time job, summer officer gig, and dep sheriff details. UMass Lowell's Online Master's is something I looked at, but I dont know if they would even accept me. BU accepted me, but I am pretty sure it was by the skin of my teeth lol....


Posted by: Enforcer174

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Originally Posted by divingcop911
I would love to take the safe route, but I need a program that is accessible to me while still working a full time job, summer officer gig, and dep sheriff details. UMass Lowell's Online Master's is something I looked at, but I dont know if they would even accept me. BU accepted me, but I am pretty sure it was by the skin of my teeth lol....
Umass Lowell accepts anyone and you basically never have to showup in class because it is all online. Like the other posts said if BU isnt on the list you are out of luck, so why take the chance on $20,000. Plus if you go to BU you have to deal with the traffic in boston and the worst part is the parking and costs to park.


Posted by: BT1405

I know BU does not offer a major in crminal justice, awkward how they have a masters programs though..I understand you've already been accepted and all, but why would you want to pay all that money for a masters degree when you could get it somewhere else on the list for so much less money (I'm assuming it must be expensive there) and it means exactly the same thing in LE and youll cover yourself


Posted by: divingcop911

Very valid points. Thank-you. I'll need to give a more serious look at UMass Lowell within the next several weeks. Classes start at BU on May 17th, so I have some time to be accepted at UMass if that is the route that gaurantees me the 25% plus a quality education.
I'm not just looking for a degree that will give me the bonus, but if I am spending the money...I think I should make sure it does qualify.

Anyone complete the online program at UMass and have any comments about it? Do you actually learn anything and does it definitely qualify for Quinn.

In all honesty, money is not that much of an issue since BU is only $2500 per class. I know that BU is a quality program, and if worse comes to worse, I guess I will move to a state that does accept it for a pay incentive.

Along, with my questions above...are there any graduates from either the UMass or BU online programs that can speak to the quality of the education received. I am not looking for the easy way out, as long as I actually learn something USEFUL.

Thanks for all your help in this matter. I already made a $20,000 mistake by getting a Legal Studies BA from "the Zoo". Not only were 90 percent of these classes useless, but I was also forced to listen to ultra-liberal drivel for four years. I know I can't escape the liberalism in education, but I at least want something to show for it educationally.


Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by Enforcer174
Umass Lowell accepts anyone and you basically never have to showup in class because it is all online.
No, they don't accept anyone, you have to apply, take the GRE/MAT, submit academic references, etc. It is also a top-ranked CJ program by the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences.

As for never having to show-up, I guess that large collection of buildings in Lowell by the river is just some type of Hollywood facade? I suppose my 52-page thesis was also a figment of my imagination?


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by divingcop911
Anyone complete the online program at UMass and have any comments about it? Do you actually learn anything and does it definitely qualify for Quinn.
It definitely qualifies for the Quinn Bill. I graduated from UML before they implemented the online program, but the course content and requirements are the same as the in-classroom courses. You're going to work your ass off, but you'll also get a lot out of it. One of the required courses, "Foundations of Criminal Justice Scholarship" will hone your research & writing skills like you never thought possible.

For the most part, the online courses are taught by regular UML faculty. Try to get into any course taught by Ron Corbett, Allan Roscoe, Don Hummer, Tony Smith, or Bob Harrington. Great teachers who are tough, but fair.

If you have any specific questions, feel free to PM me.


Posted by: trel

some things have changed since you graduated. unfortunatly don hummer is not with us anymore he was not given tenure and left. i had him for undergrad great prof. i dont think smith or harrington are still there either. the online classes are great and are taught by the same prof that teach the evening courses. they require just as much work and a bit more reading since you are not there listening to the teacher the lectures are basicly typed out. "Foundations of Criminal Justice Scholarship" is now taught by 2 diff teachers. the prof i have it with this semester is taking a diff approch to the class and is requiring us to write a systematic review. anyways its really is a great program taught by profs that have distinguished themselves in the feild of criminal justice. i also wouldnt go as far to say that anyone could get into this program either. you should deff look into this program


Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
It definitely qualifies for the Quinn Bill. I graduated from UML before they implemented the online program, but the course content and requirements are the same as the in-classroom courses. You're going to work your ass off, but you'll also get a lot out of it. One of the required courses, "Foundations of Criminal Justice Scholarship" will hone your research & writing skills like you never thought possible.

For the most part, the online courses are taught by regular UML faculty. Try to get into any course taught by Ron Corbett, Allan Roscoe, Don Hummer, Tony Smith, or Bob Harrington. Great teachers who are tough, but fair.

If you have any specific questions, feel free to PM me.



Posted by: ShakeEmDOwn016

After the upcoming summer session, I will have just three classes left in the UML CJ Masters Program. I started in the Summer of '05. I took two classes a semester. I am very satisfied with the quality of classes and instructors at UML.




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