| Originally Posted by Pvt. Cowboy These threads always seem to be entertaining... Anyone know what the magic number today is?? |
| Originally Posted by Gil I am hoping for at least 7... I have my reasons |
Funny Gil! I know what or who your're talking about! Does the 
know soooo many fingers are crossed? | Originally Posted by Opie Funny Gil! I know what or who your're talking about! Does the know soooo many fingers are crossed? |
| Originally Posted by nirtallica COUNT ON DECK-163! 15 takers. |
| Originally Posted by regnar1194 Reveille,Reveille, Reveille, Wake up, Wake up, Wake up!!!!!! Day two for those poor bastards, I feel for you all I really do. If I may steal a quote from a good movie "Welcome to the Suck" I am going to have another cup of coffee this morning thinking about the 79th, maybe go out and get a bear claw too. How many of them were up 15-20 minutes prior to reveille, dreading the next day. Don't worry guys and gals its another day closer to Friday, and Friday will seem like Christmas. Best of luck to you all |
| Originally Posted by Tango Nirt, 163+15= 7 no shows? |
| Originally Posted by Gil LMAO!! Yes a few have made it clear to him, We wish him the VERY best that he gets in due to the drop-out's / no shows. As MPD said to us... GOOD LUCK! As APD now says to MSP......GOOD LUCK!!!! |
| Originally Posted by OciferpeteHPD3500 Anyone want to predict what the final count on deck will be 25 weeks from now? With the past class rate I would estimate this will be lower then any other. My Final Prediction is 104 Troopers Graduate |
| Originally Posted by OciferpeteHPD3500 Anyone want to predict what the final count on deck will be 25 weeks from now? With the past class rate I would estimate this will be lower then any other. My Final Prediction is 104 Troopers Graduate |
| Originally Posted by nevrehc 25 dropped, 4 no shows is the word I just received. |
| Originally Posted by OciferpeteHPD3500 Anyone want to predict what the final count on deck will be 25 weeks from now? With the past class rate I would estimate this will be lower then any other. My Final Prediction is 104 Troopers Graduate |
| Originally Posted by j809 Why do people sound so happy to hear another person fail, dropped out, kicked out, indicted, etc? |
| Originally Posted by Opie Funny Gil! I know what or who your're talking about! Does the know soooo many fingers are crossed? |
| Originally Posted by j809 Why do people sound so happy to hear another person fail, dropped out, kicked out, indicted, etc? |
| Originally Posted by Mikey682 3 Months of FTO "break-in", then if you finish that then you are issued a car and are on your own. Some new Troopers are put on extended break-in if their coaches feel they need more work. Then after that they are on thier own. |
| Originally Posted by Mikey682 3 Months of FTO "break-in", then if you finish that then you are issued a car and are on your own. Some new Troopers are put on extended break-in if their coaches feel they need more work. Then after that they are on thier own. |
| Originally Posted by MSP75 Have his beer ready and do the laundry. |
well thats just great advice in general (whether its the SPA, the reserve academy or after we change a light bulb). | Originally Posted by dsm290 He tried it, but it's just not for him. At least he gave it a try. |
| Originally Posted by bbelichick "Gave it a try?" What, like a new flavor of ice cream? I still remember a kid that played a sport I was coaching. Talked a lot of junk, "wasn't a quitter", etc...The kid goes through about 2 minutes of agilities the FIRST DAY of practice and says "Coach, this sport just isn't for me." Mind you, he had never played a second of the actual sport, just a minute of warmups. My response was 'What's not for you? hard work?" He just walked away. Some people are born quitters. Do or do not, there is no "try." -- Yoda |
| Originally Posted by dsm290 Well, my buddy just called me and I guess he's out too. He tried it, but it's just not for him. At least he gave it a try. |
| Originally Posted by dsm290 Well, my buddy just called me and I guess he's out too. He tried it, but it's just not for him. At least he gave it a try. |
| Originally Posted by potatochip I never post, just usually troll...but I have to chime in here. This absolutely infuriates me. He gave it a try? What did he think he was getting into? What a jackass. Meanwhile I (and some of my fellow co-workers) are forced to stand down and hope for the future. And before anyone starts with the "you don't know how tough it is" or "you're just jealous because you aren't there," I'll save you the trouble. Jealous? You bet your ass I am. I was one of the 81 95's that was essentially told I was in, only to get "the letter" a week later. Is it tough? Undoubtedly. Just be mentally and physically prepared, and square yourself away and you can handle it. I also know the only way that I would leave the SPA before graduation is if I died there. "Gave it a try." Give me a break. It's 6 months for the career of a lifetime. Well, at least he quit now instead of when the shit hits the fan. As every LEO knows, the last person you want backing you up is a quitter. |
| Originally Posted by graveyardsleeper Whats the latest count on deck? |
| Originally Posted by potatochip I never post, just usually troll...but I have to chime in here. This absolutely infuriates me. He gave it a try? What did he think he was getting into? What a jackass. Meanwhile I (and some of my fellow co-workers) are forced to stand down and hope for the future. And before anyone starts with the "you don't know how tough it is" or "you're just jealous because you aren't there," I'll save you the trouble. Jealous? You bet your ass I am. I was one of the 81 95's that was essentially told I was in, only to get "the letter" a week later. Is it tough? Undoubtedly. Just be mentally and physically prepared, and square yourself away and you can handle it. I also know the only way that I would leave the SPA before graduation is if I died there. "Gave it a try." Give me a break. It's 6 months for the career of a lifetime. Well, at least he quit now instead of when the shit hits the fan. As every LEO knows, the last person you want backing you up is a quitter. |
| Originally Posted by PCI It's bad enough.... He gave it a try..... Give me a break! I will say one thing I'll give him credit for at least showing up. How about the cowards that were too scared to show up there on Monday.. If they had a legit reason, maybe they died or something along those lines, I can understand, but to not even show up thats pathetic. I hope none of them are currently in law enforcement. Oh yeah...if you can't tell I'm another one of those 95's that got screwed because someone wanted to "give it a try". |
| Originally Posted by billy108b Maybe you should have scored higher on the test then. |
| Originally Posted by Mikey682 Maybe you should GFY |
| Originally Posted by Mikey682 Maybe you should GFY |
| Originally Posted by PCI ...If they had a legit reason, maybe they died or something along those lines... |
| Originally Posted by Mikey682 Maybe you should GFY |
| Originally Posted by SPO123 I really don't understand civil service....other states hire basd on education, experience, training and not just hey I know how to take tests really well, but when you start yelling at me I'm gonna just quit. WTF, change the whole 95 and above crap. Give points for education, experience and training as well as vet preference. I gave up on the exams years ago because I sucked at test (even tho I had a GPA of 3.5 for taking essay exams). Go south...degree + experience = job, no BS. Just my 2 cents |
...Yeah, you know what you're talking about...
| Originally Posted by SPO123 I really don't understand civil service....other states hire basd on education, experience, training and not just hey I know how to take tests really well, but when you start yelling at me I'm gonna just quit. WTF, change the whole 95 and above crap. Give points for education, experience and training as well as vet preference. I gave up on the exams years ago because I sucked at test (even tho I had a GPA of 3.5 for taking essay exams). Go south...degree + experience = job, no BS. Just my 2 cents |
| Originally Posted by MSP75 In addition to the one beer, make sure he actually studies and sleeps. The smallest percentage on his GPA makes a huge difference in seniority. |
| Originally Posted by kwflatbed From The Herald A recruit in training from the Massachusetts State Police website. |
| Originally Posted by SouthSideCobras Trooper Nate Thomas at his very best !!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Originally Posted by regnar1194 I saw one person who shall remain nameless here, who started with the 77th, was late for our day 1, made it to day 3 then disappeared, saw their name on the appointment list for the 79th, then later saw the same name on the did not show up list. What a waste, two wasted spot in two separate RTT's, thats garbage. |
| Originally Posted by luckyj191 thanks msp... i get the feeling i might be helping with the studying based on what i've heard from other people in earlier classes... can u clarify one thing for me though (probably gonna seem like sort of a dumb question to all of you guys!)- what role does the seniority play? i THINK i heard that it can affect where he will end up after the academy, but I could be totally making that up lol... thanks again everyone! jessica |
| Originally Posted by regnar1194 I saw one person who shall remain nameless here, who started with the 77th, was late for our day 1, made it to day 3 then disappeared, saw their name on the appointment list for the 79th, then later saw the same name on the did not show up list. What a waste, two wasted spot in two separate RTT's, thats garbage. |
That is bound to get you some unwanted attention. And to waste everyones time, go through the hiring process again, and not show up? What a tool. | Originally Posted by 78thrifleman Seniority means nothing for the first 5 years... not for where you are assigned, what cruiser you get, nothing. |
| Originally Posted by TPRSERG Yeah and with the $35,000 annual salary, you might even be able to build a deck on your trailer home. |
| Originally Posted by dsm290 When I said my buddy Tried it out, I may have used the wrong word. You guys are a bunch of whiny little brats, your all pissed off cause you didn't make it, oh f***ing well, get over it. Ever since I put that post in, I see people posting crap about him, badgering him for at least trying something that didn't work out. He's a good guy. He has his reasons for dropping out, that I'm sure none of you people would even care about. Your all concerned about how many people dropped out of the MSPA, what, do you think the MSP are gonna call you and ask you to come down and take that person's slot, get over yourselves. The MSPA is a tough academy, NOT everyone that gets to go is going to complete it, so does that make those people a loser? At least they got a chance to experience it. If you have'nt been through the MSPA, or at least gone through the first week, you have no say whatsoever. You have opinions, understandable, but doesn't give you the green light to just hammer anyone that doesn't make it through. GROW UP!!! Please excuse my rant to those respectable members that didn't get wrapped up with this BS. |
| Originally Posted by dsm290 When I said my buddy Tried it out, I may have used the wrong word. You guys are a bunch of whiny little brats, your all pissed off cause you didn't make it, oh f***ing well, get over it. Ever since I put that post in, I see people posting crap about him, badgering him for at least trying something that didn't work out. He's a good guy. He has his reasons for dropping out, that I'm sure none of you people would even care about. Your all concerned about how many people dropped out of the MSPA, what, do you think the MSP are gonna call you and ask you to come down and take that person's slot, get over yourselves. The MSPA is a tough academy, NOT everyone that gets to go is going to complete it, so does that make those people a loser? At least they got a chance to experience it. If you have'nt been through the MSPA, or at least gone through the first week, you have no say whatsoever. You have opinions, understandable, but doesn't give you the green light to just hammer anyone that doesn't make it through. GROW UP!!! Please excuse my rant to those respectable members that didn't get wrapped up with this BS. |
| Originally Posted by luckyj191 hi everyone....this is my first time posting on this board, but i've been following it for a long time under my boyfriends name..... he started the academy on monday (which let me tell you... scares the shit out of ME and i'm not even going lol) i was just wondering if anyone had any realistic input on what i should expect to hear when he comes home... just trying to get a heads up kinda.... anything you have to offer would be great (besides how much it sucks, cuz i already know that from the other posts.... thanksssss ~Jessica |
| Originally Posted by luckyj191 what time are these guys usually allowed to leave on fri afternoons?? this week has been the longest week ever, and i'm not even THERE haha |
| Originally Posted by frapmpd24 The best thing you can do is show support, have some patience, and keep things positive, and give some encouragement. |
| When I said my buddy Tried it out, I may have used the wrong word. You guys are a bunch of whiny little brats, your all pissed off cause you didn't make it, oh f***ing well, get over it. Ever since I put that post in, I see people posting crap about him, badgering him for at least trying something that didn't work out. He's a good guy. He has his reasons for dropping out, that I'm sure none of you people would even care about. Your all concerned about how many people dropped out of the MSPA, what, do you think the MSP are gonna call you and ask you to come down and take that person's slot, get over yourselves. The MSPA is a tough academy, NOT everyone that gets to go is going to complete it, so does that make those people a loser? At least they got a chance to experience it. If you have'nt been through the MSPA, or at least gone through the first week, you have no say whatsoever. You have opinions, understandable, but doesn't give you the green light to just hammer anyone that doesn't make it through. GROW UP!!! Please excuse my rant to those respectable members that didn't get wrapped up with this BS. |
| Originally Posted by tazoez Count on Deck according to website -- 148 |
| Originally Posted by caesar 37 dropped this week. 19 backfills on Monday |
| Originally Posted by tazoez WOW!!!! thats all they are back filling???????? |
| Originally Posted by nirtallica It is only six months. The six months will fly by. |
| Originally Posted by dsm290 When I said my buddy Tried it out, I may have used the wrong word. You guys are a bunch of whiny little brats, your all pissed off cause you didn't make it, oh f***ing well, get over it. Ever since I put that post in, I see people posting crap about him, badgering him for at least trying something that didn't work out. He's a good guy. He has his reasons for dropping out, that I'm sure none of you people would even care about. Your all concerned about how many people dropped out of the MSPA, what, do you think the MSP are gonna call you and ask you to come down and take that person's slot, get over yourselves. The MSPA is a tough academy, NOT everyone that gets to go is going to complete it, so does that make those people a loser? At least they got a chance to experience it. If you have'nt been through the MSPA, or at least gone through the first week, you have no say whatsoever. You have opinions, understandable, but doesn't give you the green light to just hammer anyone that doesn't make it through. GROW UP!!! Please excuse my rant to those respectable members that didn't get wrapped up with this BS. |
| Originally Posted by Rock "Fly by" for who? |
| Originally Posted by Mitpo62 Heck, I had to have a colonoscopy while in the academy and didn't quit! NEVER GIVE UP! |
| Originally Posted by Mitpo62 Heck, I had to have a colonoscopy while in the academy and didn't quit! NEVER GIVE UP! |
| Originally Posted by Mitpo62 Heck, I had to have a colonoscopy while in the academy and didn't quit! NEVER GIVE UP! |
| Originally Posted by wryman ...Yeah, you know what you're talking about... |
| What's wrong with being a local? Are you saying troopers are that much tougher than locals. |
| I had people quit in my academy also and thought "Why the hell did you bother going through all the B.S. of getting on the job just to quit after a week |
| Originally Posted by tomcats I think we're on the same page brother. My honest opinion is there should never be an "us vs. them" attitude. I'm happy to work with anyone who is squared away. I couldn't care less what badge they're wearing. State trooper, local or whatever else we can think of. My opinion is we're all on the same team and the less "us vs them" crap the better off we all are. |
| Originally Posted by female p.o. Ok I'm gonna throw in my 2 cents....A friend of mine quit( last class) because the D.I's were telling him to put on someone else's shitty drawers....Now I don't see the need to put on someone else's crappy underwear! What the hell does that have to do with being a good Trooper? |
| It's nice to use something like this as an excuse after quitting. It sounds better than the old "It wasn't for me" and tends to gain more support for the quitter. |
| Originally Posted by Blondie I can guarantee it wasn't an isolated incident and that it did happen. I was in the 78th and got hurt because of some of the BS. (like...running?)I could have gone back for the 79th, but financially I couldn't; although I definitely wanted to. It's a lot of suck (?)and it was expected, but there is (was) definitely a lot of BS that doesn't (didn't) add to the high stress training. (and) I've been to alot schools that have drop out rates that are even higher. The DIs are lacking, (IMO) get some more mature (and senior) troopers as DIs. (and it) That may or may not solve the problem, but you definitely can't justify some of the BS that goes on. Bottom line: they definitely need more structure and leadership running the SPA. (but) The program produces Troopers who are prepared for whatever will present itself in a long career.(???) So while changes should be made, you cannot make it easier if you want to produce quality proffesionals who will get the job done. |
| I've been to alot of schools that have drop out rates that are even higher |
| Originally Posted by Blondie I can guarantee it wasn't an isolated incident and that it did happen. I was in the 78th and got hurt because of some of the BS. I could have gone back for the 79th but financially I couldn't though I definitely wanted to. Its a lot of suck and it was expected but there is definitely a lot of BS that doesn't add to the high stress training and I've been to alot schools that have drop out rates that are even higher. The DIs are lacking IMO get some more mature and senior troopers as DIs and it may or may not solve the problem but you definitely can't justify some of the BS that goes on. Bottom line they definitely need more structure and leadership running the SPA but the program produces Troopers who are prepared for whatever will present itself in a long career. So while changes should be made you cannot make it easier if you want to produce quality proffesionals who will get the job done. |
| Originally Posted by billy108b Sounds like some your making excuses. The old finance excuse. You were good to start the 78th and got hurt. You didn't want to go back because you couldn't hang PERIOD. |
| Originally Posted by Blondie I can guarantee it wasn't an isolated incident and that it did happen. I was in the 78th and got hurt because of some of the BS. I could have gone back for the 79th but financially I couldn't though I definitely wanted to. Its a lot of suck and it was expected but there is definitely a lot of BS that doesn't add to the high stress training and I've been to alot schools that have drop out rates that are even higher. The DIs are lacking IMO get some more mature and senior troopers as DIs and it may or may not solve the problem but you definitely can't justify some of the BS that goes on. Bottom line they definitely need more structure and leadership running the SPA but the program produces Troopers who are prepared for whatever will present itself in a long career. So while changes should be made you cannot make it easier if you want to produce quality proffesionals who will get the job done. |
| Originally Posted by female p.o. Ok I'm gonna throw in my 2 cents....A friend of mine quit( last class) because the D.I's were telling him to put on someone else's shitty drawers....Now I don't see the need to put on someone else's crappy underwear! What the hell does that have to do with being a good Trooper? It's a matter of hygeine, Who knows what you could catch! That's nasty! |
| Originally Posted by MC1010 You are absolutely right, it has nothing to do about being a good Trooper and thats because IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!! Your so called friend is a liar and had to think up a good story to make himself look better than a QUITTER!!!! I WAS THERE, IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!!! |
| Originally Posted by Blondie I can guarantee it wasn't an isolated incident and that it did happen. I was in the 78th and got hurt because of some of the BS. |
| Originally Posted by BPD142 isnt this thread for the number of dropouts? stick to the point |
******| Originally Posted by Wolfman So glad that your paltry weeks in the training environment have qualified you to pass such critical judgement. Forget about the decades of experience and thousands of recruits, here's Blondie to tell the MSP how it's done. Go back under your rock, Dagwood needs a sandwich. |
| Originally Posted by Blondie Believe what you want the facts are it happened. |
| Originally Posted by Blondie Believe what you want the facts are it happened. RLTW |
| Originally Posted by Blondie I was in the 78th and got hurt because of some of the BS. |
| Originally Posted by bbelichick What BS was that? PT? |
| In some cases, there is a middle road between resignation and dismissal when recruits are deferred from the ongoing class and provided the opportunity to attend a later class. This is an effective and necessary procedure to accommodate unforeseen illness, injury or other circumstances when, through no fault of the candidate, he or she is unable to participate in the training troop at that time. However, testimony received by the Commission indicates that in some cases this procedure is used by the Department to defer a difficult decision regarding an individual prior to the beginning of a class. This procedure can also be abused by the candidate. Virtually all of the recruits who receive deferments from the class request them in the first days. Records indicate that on their reappointment to a subsequent class, they either resign or request an additional deferment from that class. Deferments also create an unnecessary burden on Departmental resources as deferred individuals take seats from candidates who are better able to succeed at the Academy. |
| Originally Posted by MC1010 You are absolutely right, it has nothing to do about being a good Trooper and thats because IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!! Your so called friend is a liar and had to think up a good story to make himself look better than a QUITTER!!!! I WAS THERE, IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!!! |
| Originally Posted by female p.o. That's weird...I know alot more people in that class that tell me it was true...HMMMM.... |
| Originally Posted by bbelichick The toilet thing? Sure. The underwear? A lie. |
| Originally Posted by female p.o. Were you in the class? |
This isn't SERE school and it doesn't require that kind of training. I'm a firm believer in the quote "the more you sweat in peace the less you bleed in war".| Originally Posted by Blondie The shitty underwear thing was what I was saying happened. It happened to me as well as most everyone else. Shitty being a term meaning stained and sweaty. . |
| Originally Posted by bbelichick Were you? Or are you basing your "facts" on the accounts of washouts that couldn't cut it? |
| Originally Posted by Blondie Excuse opinions everybodies got them whatever! Try 9months with not working and tell me you could support a family on the stipend. I had banked savings for the 1st 6months with stipend but it had to last me 9 months without a stipend and it all gone now. No disability or unemployment from MSP or previous job since I had resigned so tough luck to me. I accepted that when I left and went to the SPA and knew the risks sometimes it doesn't work out if it had come along 5 months earlier but after a second mortgae to pay bills there are no resources left. |
| Originally Posted by Blondie The shitty underwear thing was what I was saying happened. It happened to me as well as most everyone else. |
| Originally Posted by female p.o. Were you in the class? |
| Originally Posted by dcs2244 Funny how all the quitters are supporting one another. But then, "birds of a feather..." ... |
| Originally Posted by Clouseau "In large black capitol letters." |
| Originally Posted by kmf294 Well bro I am sitting on a 96 and have deferred twice now. Barring any serious changes in my department and status in it my spot is all yours. I only took the test because it was better than what I was doing at the time and am now quite happy in my local department. Only reason I deferred was to keep my optionns open. Good luck and God bless! |
| Originally Posted by female p.o. Were you in the class? |
here. I could have sworn that the topic for this thread was "79th Dropout Count - GO!", not "lets bitch piss and moan about what might or might not have happened". If it did then it did, move on -- it's in the past. If it didn't and someone is just stirring the pot, then why in the name of hell are ya'll getting your panties in a bunch over nothing. Let them say what they want. Those who feel as if they need to make excuses because they couldn't hack it -- well honestly let them. Those who made it, YOU wear the badge, YOU were able to put up w/ it for the full 25 weeks -- let them say what they have to so they feel better. YOU went through the academy and made it, so you know exactly what happens at the academy so dont let ignorant people get to you. | If you defer, than that is your own decision, which I completely understand. My beef is with those that get in... can't hack it, defer... get in AGAIN... can't hack it... just drives me nuts. It should be ruled, unless you leave the SPA due to injury, death in the family etc... something along those lines... then you are shit outta luck. As long as I'm reading all this correctly, people that have entered the academy can defer within the first week if they don't feel like they can cut it... right? I have a big problem with that... |
| In some cases, there is a middle road between resignation and dismissal when recruits are deferred from the ongoing class and provided the opportunity to attend a later class. This is an effective and necessary procedure to accommodate unforeseen illness, injury or other circumstances when, through no fault of the candidate, he or she is unable to participate in the training troop at that time. However, testimony received by the Commission indicates that in some cases this procedure is used by the Department to defer a difficult decision regarding an individual prior to the beginning of a class. This procedure can also be abused by the candidate. Virtually all of the recruits who receive deferments from the class request them in the first days. Records indicate that on their reappointment to a subsequent class, they either resign or request an additional deferment from that class. Deferments also create an unnecessary burden on Departmental resources as deferred individuals take seats from candidates who are better able to succeed at the Academy. |
| Originally Posted by kmf294 Well bro I am sitting on a 96 and have deferred twice now. Barring any serious changes in my department and status in it my spot is all yours. I only took the test because it was better than what I was doing at the time and am now quite happy in my local department. Only reason I deferred was to keep my optionns open. Good luck and God bless! |
| Originally Posted by Killjoy From page 16 of the MSP Academy Commision Report...this didn't make it into the Herald. |
| Originally Posted by Q5-TPR I too was injured in the 77th RTT. I had too go. But you know what, when, by the grace of God, I was given a second chance, I grabbed hold, and took the ride. I was BROKE by the end of the SPA and was borrowing $$$ to get by, but you know what, I wanted it! No excuses! No interviews with that POS rag that is called a news paper! Yes, I recieved that loving, extra special attention for being a re-tred, but, it is all about how bad you want it. I took more than some (special thanks BigIrish for getting me out of the spot light, I owe you a beer). My point Blondie is this, for whatever reason you didn't go back, don't piss on our program. Anything really worth having should be earned, period. I guess you just didn't want it that bad. |
| Originally Posted by RPD931 |
| Originally Posted by Rock Yes. NEVER happened. I can't make that any more clear. Did you read my last post? I knew that chicken s*** before the academy and he lied to make himself look better. I have no respect for him. If he had to leave then fine, move on for your own reasons. I can respect that. I'm not one of those people that will say someone who quits is a coward or weak. You have to do what's right for you. But don't rip or bad mouth something that other people are committed to just to make yourself look better. Toilet thing....well, yes but not like the herald or everyone else is hearing and that's all I'll say. It has been sensationalized. One man (and only one man) made a mistake and it has been dealt with. Are you really getting on your soapbox about something you heard from someone else!?!?! You are a waste of time and energy because you don't have the first clue what you're talking about. Pathetic. |