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Posted by: dh18

the governor's budget proposes TWO classes....

Executive Office of Public Safety
Department of State Police

Account Description FY04 FY05

8100-0515 New State Police Classes 0 11,000,000

Increased funding to support two new state police classes.


http://budget.mass.gov/budget/budrec.../h81000515.htm


Posted by: 2-Delta

Yeah, let's just hope it gets through as $11 million and doesn't magically dissapear again.


Posted by: q5_po

I read $11 million under new SP clases. At $3.5 million a class, my math says that is enough $$$$ for 3 classes.

http://budget.mass.gov/budget/budrec.../h81000515.htm


Posted by: tomahawk

q5, agreed -- I do not see where it specifies that is only two classes.

However, three classes in one year seems like quite a squeeze at 26 weeks each!

As I posted elsewhere, do not forget that the 77th RTT was in many of the initial FY04 drafts, and was eventually eliminated.

-Mike


Posted by: Mitpo62

A friend in the know states that the MSP has been granted to have four, that's right FOUR, classes back to back beginning with the first on Monday, June 7th. The plan is to graduate 150 troopers from the first two classes and 75 troopers in the last two. To all my brethern out there stay tuned and get fit----there's light at the end of the tunnel!


Posted by: Mitpo62

Let me clarify the totals.......that's 150 from EACH of the first two classes and 75 from EACH of the last two classes for a total of 450 new troopers!


Posted by: ecpd402

June 7 is too little a time to start the process over again.


Posted by: caesar

Don't believe the rumors. We're lucky if we get just one class in for the next couple of years.


Posted by: strat60

Romney's allocation specifically states 11 million for 2 classes.


Posted by: ryan933

q5_po,

How do you figure 3.5 mil per class? That seems low to me. I suspect it is more like 5 mil per class.

Ryan


Posted by: tomahawk

Ryan, previous classes were budgeted around $3.5 million each.

-Mike


Posted by: mgb

> From: Office of Legislative and Intergovernmental Affairs (GOV)
> Sent:Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:13 AM
> Subject:Governor Romney's Budget Pumps Up Anti-Terrorism Funding
>
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: CONTACT:
>
> January 29, 2004
> Shawn Feddeman
>
>
> Nicole St. Peter
>
>
> (617) 725-4025
>
> ROMNEY’S BUDGET PUMPS UP ANTI-TERRORISM FUNDING
>
> More money in Governor’s budget to protect homeland, add new State
> Police classes
>
> Saying he wants to improve homeland security, Governor Mitt
> Romney today announced he is increasing the number of troopers
> assigned to the State Police Anti-Terrorism Unit in order to enhance
> intelligence gathering.
>
>
>
> “A key part of our homeland security efforts rests on the
> state’s ability to collect and analyze information on potential
> threats,” said Romney. “By putting more money into intelligence
> gathering, we’ll give the State Police the tools they need to be more
> effective.”
>
> Romney’s Fiscal Year 2005 budget more than triples the amount of money
> spent on the State Police Anti-Terrorism Unit, from $850,000 to $2.7
> million, which will allow for an additional 12 assigned troopers in
> the unit. This money will be combined with $5 million from federal
> homeland security funding to create a vastly improved statewide
> information-gathering system.
>
> The system, which will remain within the existing State Police
> intelligence division, will also include 15 new civilian research
> analysts specially trained to collect, analyze and disseminate
> critical intelligence obtained from every level of government.
>
> In addition, Romney’s budget includes funding for two new
> State Police recruit classes, one graduating in November 2004 and a
> second graduating in the summer of 2005. As a result, 300 new
> troopers will join the force, allowing the State Police to keep pace
> with projected retirements.
>
> “We are very appreciative of the Governor’s commitment to public
> safety during these difficult economic times,” said Public Safety
> Secretary Ed Flynn. “Troop strength is a critical component of our
> homeland security strategic plan.”
>
> Romney said the increase in counterterrorism funding will allow the
> Commonwealth to more closely coordinate with local authorities to
> identify homeland security threats.
>
> Major Robert Smith, Commander of the State Police Anti-Terrorism Unit,
> praised the Governor’s initiative.
>
> “This new, post-9/11 era has emphasized that the need to share
> information and intelligence on a statewide, and often national level,
> is increasingly critical,” said Smith.
>
>
>
>
> ###
>
> <<1-29-04 EOPS budget release.doc>>


Posted by: ecpd402

If that memo is accurate then the class should start in june which means they should have already begun to call people to repeat the process. Still Skeptical until I hear it from the MSP


Posted by: thumper2168

Dont believe it till you are in the door, they could do it by June, two HUGE classes 3.5 would be for classes of 135, if you are on the list start calling your Rep's and Sen's that is where it all lies......


Posted by: Dane

Quote:
How do you figure 3.5 mil per class? That seems low to me. I suspect it is more like 5 mil per class.

Ryan
To cut corners and save a few bucks, members of the 77th and 78th RTTs will be subsisting primarily on a diet of SPAM and that nutri-loaf crap they serve in jails in Arizona. EVOC training will be conducted in the own PCs, and sheets will be changed once a month. Oh, and electrical power at the SPA will be provided by connecting generators to the stationary bikes which will be manned by the medical muffins from reveille to taps.


Posted by: q5_po

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitpo62
A friend in the know states that the MSP has been granted to have four, that's right FOUR, classes back to back beginning with the first on Monday, June 7th.
Mit, your friend "in the know" wouldn't happen to be your Chief, would it? If it is, thats a pretty BIG in the know!


Posted by: 2-Delta

I'm told the State is looking to get at least 300 Troopers out of the future academies. History tells me that either each class is going to have to be HUGE or they'll need more then 2 if they want to see 300 Troopers, given the drop out rate.


Posted by: kennyz123

Here's hoping that $11 million goes through........


Posted by: Opie

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dane

To cut corners and save a few bucks, members of the 77th and 78th RTTs will be subsisting primarily on a diet of SPAM and that nutri-loaf crap they serve in jails in Arizona. EVOC training will be conducted in the own PCs, and sheets will be changed once a month. Oh, and electrical power at the SPA will be provided by connecting generators to the stationary bikes which will be manned by the medical muffins from reveille to taps.

SPAM & nutri-loaf crap, I'll eat that on my weekends at home! I don't care what the DIs make me do, say, or eat all that matters to me is that I'm there in the 77/78!

Until then I'll just keep myself in shape and eat SPAM and nutri-loaf in between meals


Posted by: massvet

It appears as though none of us know. Although I do not like newspaper articles for obvious reasons, most articles do have [some[/u] truth to them. Usually, the officers name being spelled correctly. I'll rely upon some reporters to find a hint of news if classes will be funded.


Posted by: dimen24

Until the check is cashed, nothing is for certain


Posted by: Fubu1383

I have a quick question about these two new classes. They want to put on about 300 troopers in what I can perceive as a fairly quick amount of time with little time between each academy (i'm guessing). Once these 300 people graduate and are assigned to their barracks are there enough FTO's to field train them all? If this is the case that if they do not, will they delay employment of some after the academy until there is enough space for them to be trained? I remember during the meeting for people taking the test that mostly all new troopers will sent out west...so I would think this would even reduce the number of FTO's for the new troopers as compared to the new troopers being spread out across the state. I just thought this was kind of interesting to know what they plan to do if in fact they are bombarded with 300 new troopers.


Posted by: ecpd402

With the DNC and sail boston. will they be able to begin a RTT in june. That will reduce the manpower for those events by sending some experianced staff to train the RTT


Posted by: Vino5SJ

They wil start the RTT and the trainees will be directing traffic in Boston


Posted by: ecpd402

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vino5SJ
They wil start the RTT and the trainees will be directing traffic in Boston
Really I didnt know the satate police would take them out of that enviornment to direct traffic


Posted by: 40th MPOC#309

We had that happen in my MPOC. Although that was playskool compared to an RTT. New Bedford PD pulled all 9 recruits for traffic once......


Posted by: Negaproach

Recruits have been used for missing person searches while in a RTT as well if I recall correctly.


Posted by: MC1010

Yes, Negaproach, you are correct. The 74th R.T.T. went on a search for gun that was used in a crime and the 75th R.T.T. spent 4 days in the woods looking for Molly Bish.


Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:
Originally Posted by MC1010
Yes, Negaproach, you are correct. The 74th R.T.T. went on a search for gun that was used in a crime and the 75th R.T.T. spent 4 days in the woods looking for Molly Bish.
The 73rd went out in the Sturbridge area looking for a baseball bat used in a homicide.


Posted by: thumper2168

With only several weeks your not gonna see them in Boston, they could stagger the release of the class and let 75 stay for the last six weeks and the others go out six weeks early but return for the last six weeks could be all persons with prior LE, ooopppsss all people with prior Police experience (cmon I'm having fun, I was in that same boat)

and who was the first one to say June for the class mmmhhhh, 2020

ya see the new Mustangs BTW


Posted by: Killjoy

First off, they are not going to have recruits in the streets of Boston directing traffic....the MSP would not take responsibility for letting recruits in pairs or alone directing traffic. All the aforementioned incidents were closely supervised events where recruits were kept together in groups no smaller than squads. On the TWO days we spent on the Molly Bish search we were closely supervised by both drill instructors and members of the SERT teams in groups of ten or twelve. The trips out the academy into "real world" environments are good for training and are positive experiences, but they must be closely supervised and short in duration. To let a recruit sit outside Camp New Braintree for too long before graduation would let some the hard lessons rapped into their tiny brains leak out (WHAT'S THE COUNT ON DECK! DISCIPLINE IS?). It is vital for the recruits to be immersed in the academy environment as much as possible in the early days in the class, and letting them out too early would be detrimental to discipline, hence the overnight academy!


Posted by: police2000

I am in tough situation. I got a 98 on the MSP test. I have passed everything and I have nothing on my background to boot me out. I am also up for a job in my city. MSP is obvioulsy better paid and trained than a city dept. And you can move up much quicker to specialized units and detectives. I am the type of person that enjoys serving warrants, making car stops, and doing police work. I am a person that likes making arrests on scumbags and ruining their day and things like that. I would just like some more info about MSP in regards to serving warrants and extra stuff like that. Would a person who is geered towards ruining scumbags days be more suited for MSP or a city job? Any help would be appreciated. thanks


Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

Now there's a great attitude to have... are you kidding?

Since there's no official date set for the MSP academy, I wouldn't stress over the answer to your question right now. However, I'd take the time to consider if you'd want to be a Trooper or a police officer with a motivation to ruin lives or helping the public. Making car stops and doing "police work"... I'm just wondering, do you perceive every person that commits a motor vehicle violation as a "scumbag?"


Posted by: TheFuzz357

2000 -
As a Trooper I have done both types of work as a ROAD Trooper. In the rural barracks you have plenty of opportunity to serve warrants, go to domestics, keep tabs on the local s-heads, investigate B+E's, go to unattended deaths, etc. The barracks closer to or in the cities will most often have more highway responsibilities. But don't let that fool you. Talk to some Troopers in those stations and you will find there is a quite a bit of criminal work that goes along with those highways. It's not all CH 90/Motor Vehicle stuff.

I have a tremendous amount of pride in the MSP and at the risk of sounding conceited; Every class the MSP has, the class is comprised of 1/3 to 1/2 previous local officers (some FED's too). When was the last time you saw a Trooper leave the MSP to work for a town? I'm sure there are plenty of posters out there ready to dispute who is better and who does "real" work but just look at that fact above. It speaks for itself.

Good luck in the process and stay fitl!


Posted by: dfc2502

Quote:
Originally Posted by Killjoy275
First off, they are not going to have recruits in the streets of Boston directing traffic....the MSP would not take responsibility for letting recruits in pairs or alone directing traffic.
Not to burst your bubble, but I'm a member of the 72nd RTT and I was directing traffic in Lexington during a funeral while in the academy. I was unsupervised and unarmed and that didn't seem to bother anybody. Was it right, perhaps not but non the less there I stood in the pouring rain flapping my arms.


Posted by: tomahawk

Police2000 - Take what comes first. If you get an offer from the other department, evaluate your situation at that time.

I work with an officer in a municipal department that scored a 99 and was offered a slot in the 77th RTT. She deferred, was hired locally, and has been on the road for several months.

If MSP calls again in the future, she will have an option. In the meantime, she has been gaining valuable experience and a solid paycheck!

Good luck!

-Mike


Posted by: police2000

just a quick question to the current troopers out there: If you are patrolling a certrain roadway that interwines with a city, for example RTE30 in Framingham, does MSP have jurisdiction over all the stores and bars on this road or is it up to the city patrol to handle it?


Posted by: Killjoy

DFC - I was aware that the recruits went to Charbo's funeral, but I wasn't aware that they had them directing traffic....but you have to admit there is a world of difference directing traffic at a funeral in Lexington, and dealing with a hostile public in the middle of Democratic National Convention in Boston. I just don't see the MSP assuming that much liability putting unarmed and undertrained recruits out in that situation.


Posted by: Wolfman

p2k - What exactly do you mean by "jurisdiction" - MSP can enforce laws, however normal calls for service will be handled by the local PD so the area is primarily theirs. We'll assist when requested and always be there to back the local PD up but ultimately the area is the local PD's responsibility. Otherwise we'd be no better than any other agency that comes in and takes matters into their own hands uninvited and unwelcome.


Posted by: Guinness2429

A couple trainees and I went for a ride-along with one of the DIs one Eve shift. We were supposed to just drive around, do some mv stops and visit a local barracks. However, on the ride back to the SPA, we literally ran into a drunk that we had to lock up. We went back to Brookfield Barracks and assisted in the arrest process. An unintended, but excellent experience! But, that situation is totally different from being at the DNC w/ protesters and anarchists looking for the weak link to attack.

Guinness2429


Posted by: moe42

I got a 94 on the State Police exam. Do I have a chace to make an acadamy with that score ?


Posted by: MARINECOP

I do not believe you have a chance with a 94, but if the State decides to put on more than three classes, you might. Here are the test score breakdowns.
score /total person
97% and above = 734
96% = 877
95% = 1290
90 to 94% = 7083
80 to 89% = 2918


Posted by: Cadet101

Well, It seems each exam puts 3 classes through. As has been since I can remember. I don't know if they plan it that way but Im hoping they put 3 classes through of this exam to give me a shot with a score of 95%. Im also hoping with this long delay that people lost interest or moved on, so there’s a possibility it could get down to 94. In the mean time build up your resume and take whatever L.E. job you can find.
Mike


Posted by: massvet

Over the last several weeks there have been alot of postings for Civil Service Lateral transfers on the Jobfile. Is there any relevance to a MSP Class or are these communities finding some free $$$$... Just my observation. These posts are not all on the Cape and Islands either which is usually the case this time of year!!!!




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