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Main Page Bill#2132 Citation issue in Jeopardy??????
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Posted by: fscpd907

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Originally Posted by sylvester

just curious.. why, if your employer, did not hire you to do traffic enforcement,do you guys so desperately want the "power" to write RMV citations ?? Personally, I couldn't care less if you get the "power" to write these tickets. Is "power" the big motivation ? Be honest with yourself. Collect your pay check, do what they hired you to do - take pride in your job. If the colleges were soooo concerned about traffic safety on campus, shouldn't they be the ones pushing for this bill and then giving you a financial reward for imposing this additional responsibility on you ? Most municipal officers in large communities have enough to do without craving to pull cars over to show our "power". The CPO's I've met seem like great guys, it's the ones that want "power" that raise an eyebrow to college administrators and state legislators. If you get Ch 90, good for you, if not, so what...WHY is it so important to you personally...??? If the Dean does not care, why should you ? Beware of coming across like power hungry wannabes.. It should be the colleges pushing this bill, not you. They might fear that over-zealous campus officers itching to write "real" citations may be a liability.-- Don't take this as anything but an objective observation by someone playing devil's advocate. Think how they are thinking as they ponder this bill.

Necessity – very great need, indispensable item

I believe you are confusing “power” with “necessity” as State College Police Officers have been issuing citations for years. It was only recently that the RMV decided to stop issuing books and we feel that an important necessary enforcement tool was taken away. It was not a liability in the past and generated money towards student scholarships.

Why would campus cops be any more "over-zealous" than a local Officer?

Do you honestly feel that our employers or state legislators want kids flying around campus, blowing past stop signs, or killing another student while operating OUI? Do you think the College wants to pay city or town cops to sit on campus and enforce CH. 90 when they have a fully functioning Police Department of their own?

Posted by: new guy

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Originally Posted by SSPO#11

New guy,

I agree it is dangerous to stop cars without a firearm. You have to look at it in another way though. What about the times when police officers stumble upon stuff while on patrol? I cannot count the suspended operators that I have came across while out there and have NO enforcement options.

I can understand unarmed Campus Police Chiefs wanting officers to be safe but stopping a motor vehicle can be just as dangerous doing other officer initated stuff. Do they want us to call an outside agency to handle anything that may be dangerous? The fact of the matter is that we are independent police agencies that function the same as a city or town police department.

#11

I can empathize with you, I have worked for an unarmed departrment in the past and I know that it can be frustrating when you have the training and the willingness to do the job. I also understand that unarmed officers do need to assume some risk of walking into or even responding to potentially dangerous situations. However, I also think that until you arm them, the admin should take reasanoble efforts to minimize the amount of times an unarmed officer should be placed in those situations. As I'm sure you know, routine MV stops can easily lead to the discovery of a serious crime or an encounter with a dangerous criminal/s. We may just have to agree to disagree. Either way, good luck.

Posted by: bag-o-bones

Don't do anything. Work with blinders on.

I tell my chief if someone is shooting up the campus community I will just go the station, wait until they leave, and walk to the scene with my clipboard and write down the names of the dead.

Posted by: fscpd903

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Originally Posted by sylvester

Have you read these posts?? Obviously you must NOT have read them thoroughly!! First of all our employers hired us to be POLICE OFFICERS and the PRIMARY police agency on our campuses! Part of police work is to ENFORCE civil and criminal motor vehicle violations along with keeping the community WE protect SAFE!!

Maybe you are misinterpreting the word POWER!! When people say POWER they are referring to the AUTHORITY to write motor vehicle citations and actually process OUI's instead of having to PC people out of cars because we dont have THE DAMN BOOKS to write the crim ap because the courts will not process OUI's without the MASSACHUSETTS UNIFORM CITATION. And as for POWER being the motivation! You are ONCE AGAIN misinterpreting the word POWER. Nobody here is looking for any extended authority, we are not looking to take over jurisdiction of any city / town or any other agencies, we are just looking for the TOOLS to do the job that they HIRED us to do!

As for taking pride in our job I think that most college cops would agree that it would be nice to actually perform a motor vehicle stop and AT LEAST have the ability to write a citation / warning or whatever when a car blows a stop sign right in front of your FULLY MARKED CRUISER.

If you know anything about college police work, which it appears you DONT, you would know that we are expected to do everything a NORMAL everyday mucicipal city / town REAL cop does on a daily basis, and as apposed to being POWER HUNGRY WANNABES we are just looking for the tools to do our job because a million years age when the Chapter 90 laws were enacted they didnt inclued the language STATE AND COMMUNITY COLLGE POLICE OFFICERS!!!

As for the college administrators pushing it... This AMENDMENT comes from us because it DIRECTLY EFFECTS our DAILY ROUTINE. If you had something that YOU wanted changed that EFFECTS YOUR DAILY ROUTINE wouldnt YOU try to change it?? Besides the administration doesnt know anything about Ch90 laws just like I know nothing about macro physics laws!!!

As for the financial reward!!! AGAIN you didnt do your homework because the money that is collected will go into a SCHOLARSHIP FUND, not into my pocket!! As for CRAVING to pull cars over to show our POWER!! Why do you try "giving us the AUTHORITY to ENFORCE the traffic laws"... The authority that we should ALREADY HAVE!!!

So yes maybe this has come across that I am mad but I'm really not... I took many of your comments as condascending and you are SOOOO way far off and TOTALLY missed the point of what we are trying to do here!! So if you are an ADVOCATE for the DEVIL thats fine! but for someone that works for the ESSENCE of evilness you should have done a little more research before you made that post!!

Posted by: j809

Don't bother FSCPD, he has no clue, never been there.

Posted by: Macop

Sylvester and 48wks shut the F!#@$ up, your both morons.

Posted by: Sgt Jack

FSCPD Very good post...This is just another issue that p*sses me off more and more...having to justify why you need something that every regular dept has...and that we had already....we are hired to be police officers...Most of us go to the SSPO which is a pretty challanging academy..we graduate and are ready to hit the ground running....We can go out and arrest someone..put them into the court system etc...but God forbid we write a CMV...and as far as those who say that I should take pride in my job and be happy with what I have...Well I'd take a lot more pride if given the ALL the tools to do the job I was hired to do..but that would be too easy...seems that some folks just don't get it...they can't grasp the concept that were actually police officers...

Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by Macop

Sylvester and 48wks shut the F!#@$ up, your both morons.

These clowns just dont get it........................

I have the authority (Power) to write CH.90 CMVI's (MGL CH. 73/s.18, etc) I work at a State Community College. my citations are being processed by the District Court and the RMV. My police agency and many others like BSC, FSCPD, Salem State have written these for thirty-six (36) years!!!

When misguided persons allude to being able to have a choice in how/what/why to respond to incidents, based on being armed or not, then you can see how far off-topic and unfocused this issue becomes. Listen-up! it's not about:

1. Authority (power)= already exists
2. Sheriffs= not named anywhere in this bill
3. Armed/unarmed= irrelevant to issuing ticket books
4. Jurisdiction= no expansion

It's simply adding language to an obscure definition of whos' a "police chief" under 90C.s1 so the RMV WILL FEEL COMFORTABLE DISTRIBUTING BOOKS to Agencies that have been getting them for nearly FOUR DECADES!

Over and Out!!!

Posted by: SouthSideCobras

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Originally Posted by fscpd903

So if you are an ADVOCATE for the DEVIL thats fine! but for someone that works for the ESSENCE of evilness you should have done a little more research before you made that post!!

The ESSENCE of eviliness

What a great line !

Posted by: fscpd907

Three Endicott Students Hurt in Crash

BEVERLY — An Endicott College student is to be charged with drunken driving after a Hale Street crash early yesterday morning that left two fellow students injured, one critically.

Police believe Christopher Atkinson, 23, was intoxicated when he was driving his Toyota sedan north near 188 Hale St., veered into the oncoming lane of traffic, and slammed into a Volvo sedan driven by another Endicott College student, Kacey Bongarzone, 21. The accident occurred at 2:16 a.m., police said.

Bongarzone's passenger, Kristine St. Jean, 20, managed to escape the head-on collision with minor injuries. But Bongarzone was trapped in the older-model Volvo, which was not equipped with airbags, and police do not know if the women were wearing seat belts.

Firefighters worked for nearly 30 minutes using an extrication tool to free Bongarzone from the mangled Volvo. Firefighters first pulled the doors and roof off the car. They also had "to pry the dashboard up off the victim's legs to get her out," according to a Fire Department report.

Bongarzone was rushed to Salem Hospital and later transferred to Boston's Beth Israel Hospital, where she was listed in critical condition last night, police said.

Atkinson was taken to Beverly Hospital and later airlifted by medical helicopter to Beth Israel, where he was listed in good condition last night. His injuries are not considered life-threatening, said Beverly police Lt. Timothy Hegarty.

The accidents remains under investigation by both Beverly and state police. However, Hegarty said police have issued Atkinson, a Bethesda, Md., native, a summons for drunken driving causing serious bodily injury, negligent operation, and failure to driven within marked lanes. He will be formally charged in the near future, possibly during a bedside arraignment in the hospital, Hegarty said.

Bongarzone is from Hanson and St. Jean from Haverhill, according to a police report. Police did not know if the students lived on the Endicott College campus at 376 Hale St. or in nearby apartments. Hegarty said police do not believe Atkinson knows either of the women.

Beverly Police Sgt. Christopher Negrotti, Patrolman Michael Bucci are investigating the accident with assistance from a state police accident reconstruction team, Hegarty said.

Posted by: Delta784

Is Hale Street on the campus of Endicott College?

Posted by: fscpd910

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Originally Posted by Delta784

Is Hale Street on the campus of Endicott College?

Bongarzone is from Hanson and St. Jean from Haverhill, according to a police report. Police did not know if the students lived on the Endicott College campus at 376 Hale St. or in nearby apartments. Hegarty said police do not believe Atkinson knows either of the women.

Endicott College

376 Hale Street

Bervely, MA 01915

Posted by: Sgt Jack

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Originally Posted by Delta784

Is Hale Street on the campus of Endicott College?

Actually it does kinda run through it in certain areas..Endicott has property on both sides...to include its own beach...some very nice eye candy come beach season

...As far as patrol goes..Endicott has a Campus Safety Dept...and the officers arent sworn..Which kinda surprises me considering that the campus is expanding on a regualr basis

Posted by: sylvester

calm down... you seem too hyper to be police officers... most of us do what is expected of us.. if you are not expected to do Ch 90 - don't crave it.. just do what you were hired to do as campus officers and stop being a P I T A to the administration... let them seek the Ch 90 authority and compensate you for it accordingly... stop whining. it's very unflatterring... but if you get it, good luck, congratulations... but big deal...do what you were hired to do, take pride in it and have fun.. if it's not your job, ie: you don't have Ch 90 books.. don't sweat it..NOT your problem..

Posted by: j809

Sylvester, you seem to talk out of your ass again. State & Community College Police officers DO have the authority and always did, same as Environmental Police Officers. But someone in the RMV Legal didn't think so because they were looking at CH90 Sect 1. State colleges CAN print their own books with the same legal authority as CH90, but why do that when there is a citation out there that is called UNIFORM TRAFFIC CITATION. State & Community College Police officers's job description is written by the state HRD not the College they work for. I used to work for a state college and let me tell you, they all tried to control what we do, who we arrest but it never worked. Why? We were doing our job as described by the state, not by a president that came and gone every two years. Private colleges are different because you work for a private entity and they do have all the power there. I worked for a state college for four years and it was a great gig and a real police job.

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just do what you were hired to do as campus officers and stop being a P I T A to the administration

It seems to me like you are a little kiss ass and thank god you never worked for a state college PD.

Posted by: sylvester

j809 , i'm not a cowboy who is itching to write tickets... just do your job and stop whining

Posted by: sylvester

p.s. as i said, i could not care less if campus police get ch 90 - whoop dee do.. i just raise an eyebrow when people are so eager to have a responsibility that their employer is not concerned about - makes me think they could be over zealous pain in the asses...

Posted by: SSPO#11

Sylvester,

Who says that the administration is not concerned with this issue? Are you a college President? Are you on the Board of Higher Education? Maybe on the Board of Trustees at a State School?

Maybe you should go visit the Municipal forum if you are going to come here and talk down to the campus cops.

#11

Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by sylvester

j809 , i'm not a cowboy who is itching to write tickets... just do your job and stop whining

As a current municipal officer, I believe j809 was offering his perspective as a former state campus officer. Didn't see any whining there in any event.

Posted by: sylvester

mpd61, if you are a municipal police officer in a medium to large community, you must realize that many of us, including me, were state campus officers. I could not care less if reasonable campus officers get ch 90. As i've said repeatedly - it is no wonder that some are concerned if campus officers or hack deputies get this authority because the hyper vocal minority want this power soooo much ... Who wants hyper vigilants craving responsibilities they are not paid for or expected to enforce in their job 'scripts...? Do you want your wife, child or other loved one pulled over by one of these yahoos... ???!!? They are the issue. i don't want these morons near my family, itching to write a ticket.. to "feel real.." - I like calm people who keep things in perspective and are not time bombs that are attempting to prove something..Those are the ones that are of a concern... we see some of them here on this thread..- Ch 90 for campus officers that are not seeking it like zealots.. ? no problem. - For wannabe municipal or state police officers that could not make the cut and need something to prop up their egos..? NO WAY. They are the cause of concern. Look at the big picture. Your State Reps are..

Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by sylvester

I could not care less if reasonable campus officers get ch 90.

Do you want your wife, child or other loved one pulled over by one of these yahoos... ???!!?

Look at the big picture. Your State Reps are..

Oh My GOD!!!!!

1. "reasonable campus officers"???
2. "Yahoos'??????
3. The State reps and senators DID look at the issue, they passed this bill! (engrossed in both houses) it's one lone voice (like yours) holding it up!

Sorry, I guess Macop and others were right.......You are very ignorant and talk garbage.

P.S. Your reading comprehension sucks too, because I referred to j809 as a municipal cop and former state campus cop. slow down and read again please.

Posted by: new guy

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Originally Posted by sylvester

mpd61, if you are a municipal police officer in a medium to large community, you must realize that many of us, including me, were state campus officers. I could not care less if reasonable campus officers get ch 90. As i've said repeatedly - it is no wonder that some are concerned if campus officers or hack deputies get this authority because the hyper vocal minority want this power soooo much ... Who wants hyper vigilants craving responsibilities they are not paid for or expected to enforce in their job 'scripts...? Do you want your wife, child or other loved one pulled over by one of these yahoos... ???!!? They are the issue. i don't want these morons near my family, itching to write a ticket.. to "feel real.." - I like calm people who keep things in perspective and are not time bombs that are attempting to prove something..Those are the ones that are of a concern... we see some of them here on this thread..- Ch 90 for campus officers that are not seeking it like zealots.. ? no problem. - For wannabe municipal or state police officers that could not make the cut and need something to prop up their egos..? NO WAY. They are the cause of concern. Look at the big picture. Your State Reps are..

I just love the way you stereotype and belittle campus police officers like we are some type of inferior breed of cop. I don't like yahoo cops either but let me fill you in on a little secret, colleges and Universities do not corner the market on disgruntled cops, yahoos, and irrational types. Every department (including cities and towns) has them. An officer seeking to reinstate the authority that was taken away from them, hardly makes them a yahoo. But I guess in your prejudice mind, it does.

Posted by: j809

I think Sylvester is the wannabe that works security at Wal-mart in New Bedford. Get a life buddy, you know nothing about what is discussed because you do not read between the lines and comprehend the responses.

Posted by: sylvester

get a life you itching to write citation yahoos.. Are you that stupid that you don't understand when I say that I don't care if you write Ch 90 citations...???!!!! My problem is your obvious craving for the "POWER!!!!" - get over yourselves. You are on a campus where students pay Serious $$$$$$$$ for an education.. 99% are not looking to throw that money away by looking for trouble and a criminal record. For the most part they are the good people who are making an effort to improve themselves - they care about and are working to advance their future ... do you really see these kids as career criminals... ??? WTF.. Whoop dee do... a college kid goes over the speed limit on campus... the administration sees it as one of those things kids do...They have ramifications for the student to address the issue... BUT you see it as a felony that MUST be addressed with harsh sanctions !! Get a life. Stop acting like yahoos who relish the opportunities to screw people over for offenses no one but you really cares about... Except for you.. You are a big time police officer - you must have POWER to punish this speeder - just like municipal and State Police do - IT is extremely and personally important to you - it's all about you....You are making yourselves out to be wackier than part time deputy sheriffs and mall security officers.. but they are not this emphatic about getting powers they are not paid to enforce .. Notice that I do not insult you, as you do me.... I just raise the very obvious question that those standing in your way of getting this "power" think about when pondering a decision on the issue.. WHY !!! I'm bored with you guys - you've changed since I was a cpo.. we were pragmatic and not hyper-vigilant pain in the asses,.. power hungry, too eager to screw people.... What would Sigmund Freud think ..? Hmmm.. Some of you are your own worst enemy as evidenced by your extreme responses to my query... Thank goodness that municipal and State Police are scrutinized more than you wackos (by the way, I assume the vast majority of campus officers are more pragmatic than some of you wild eyed, too eager to screw people jamokes...) - CALM THE F DOWN and get a life - drop your apparent inferiority complex and realize that "real" police respect the challenges you face.. I. for one, don't understand the quest for"power" you are not paid for or expected to enforce by your administration... You will be happier if you simply do your job, collect your pay, not appear as a yahoo and, maybe, get a hobby......I had far more respect for cpo's before reading this post... too many loose cannon wannabes..

Posted by: Delta784

Sylvester, do you see the rather amusing dichotomy of you saying you don't insult anyone, then using words like "power hungry" and "wackier"?

Anyway.....I make it no secret that I despise traffic enforcement. I'd rather guard a stinky corpse for 4 hours than conduct selective enforcement....but.....if my agency were suddenly denied citation books, I'd raise holy hell about it, because there are times when police officers absolutely need them, OUI's and drug offenses being but two examples. Think about it....how would you like to get stuck with an OUI pinch because someone (state college PO) with the authority to make the stop & arrest doesn't have a citation book? Personally, I'd tear a citation out of my book, give it to them, make sure they had the suspect properly secured, and then wish them a pleasant evening before I left.

Also mull the fact that people arrested on drug charges by state college PD's (and other PD's with no Ch.90 authority or citation books) are getting a free pass on the license suspension, since you need a citation to submit to court. Is that your idea of sound law enforcement policy?

Posted by: SSPO#11

Don't try to reason with this guy Delta, he doesn't read the posts before he replies.

I do not understand your logic Sylvester. I can't believe that you still do not understand that this issue is NOT about power. It is not about the administration not wanting us to enforce CH.90. You just do not get it. Go back and carefully read the previous 22 pages of this thread and post again.

If you still do not understand the issue.......go make a thread in "Ask a Cop" to get a better understanding.

#11

Posted by: j809

So it's ok to be OUI and hit someone on a campus because their parents pay big money for them to go there but it's not OK to do it off campus. It's also ok for students to smoke dope, crack, binge drinking and any other illegal activity on a campus because they pay good money. Now is it also ok to do those things in an affluent community because their parents pay high taxes and your salary?
You must have never worked at a state school, your arguement about high costs reference only private colleges. When I worked for a state college i think it was $160 for each class and $100 something for the fees. It's a tool to do your job right, nothing else. Listen to SSPO and read back the posts because you don't seem to understand what this is all about. It's not the administration, it's the RMV, one person in there that got a call one day from a pissed off clerk magistrate because the court prosecutor appealed his decision. It will be fixed.

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Thank goodness that municipal and State Police are scrutinized more than you wackos

Really! Our state college PD was in the process of getting state certification and going after nation al accreditation. The selection process, psych, medical, numerous interviews(panels and one on one), writing tests, thorough backgrounds and a written test made sure that we hired only good candidates.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Slyvester'

You keep saying you dont care if campus police write ch90 tickets and if this is true?

THEN SHUT UP!!!

Posted by: new guy

Sylvester, I agree that most college students are not career criminals but I do not understand how this relates to keeping campus roadways safe. Are the speeding commuters who get ticketed each day while driving in on the Mass Pike from suburbia career criminals ? Does your agency selectively enforce Chapter 90 only against the career criminal ? Is a speeding motorist who drives like a bafoon any less dangerous because they are a college student ? Part of the big $$$$ that they pay, goes towards keeping the entire college community safe. This thread is not about placating power hungry CPO's, screwing over college kids, or unjustifiably creating work that does not need to be done. It seems that many of your opinions stem from a negative stereotypical attitude towards campus police personnel and the job that we do.

Posted by: Mikey682

No one is power hungry, they already had this ability and simply are trying to get it back.

Posted by: rg1283

I don't know if this has been posted yet. This is a link to MADD Online's website with a E-mail form about this discussed bill.

https://secure2.convio.net/madd/site...rAction&id=467

Posted by: Macop

This guy Sylvester is a complete moron.

Posted by: sylvester

yawn.... good luck.... who cares... the ones most fervent to get this power simply raise an eyebrow and are the cause of the State Reps. using caution on this bill. The over reaction to my simple question speaks volumes... for your sake, lets hope no pols read this thread... time to move on to other issues. If you get Ch 90 - good for you, if you don't, so what... the pay is the same. With some of you, it seems that you simply want the opportunities to put the blue lights on, to be seen pulling people over, to look like "real" police... if that is the case, and I suspect it is the primary motivation of some of you... grow up and stop being pathetic. You have an important and honorable job; many can't do it. Look at the big picture. The few yahoos screw it up for all of you. THAT is why the Reps are being cautious. They are leary of power seeking yahoos who feign interest in "campus safety" to justify their real motivations... enough said - good luck if you get it, but be ready to lose it when some of the cowboys screw it up for you... we see on this thread who the cowboys are.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Sylvester,

were do you work? I would love to be a defense attorney and get you on the stand! You have contradicted yourself about a dozen times! I really hope you dont work for a city or town. Let me know so I will tell me family to avoid it because you are out there. I will take my chances with a yahoo campus police officer over a wacko like you any day. Again you say you dont care but you ramble on and on. Step on to the plate and tell us where you work put your confidence where you mouth is, if not! SHUT THE F*&K UP!!

PS some CP officer did you wrong!

Posted by: sylvester

Irish,
I am a municipal police officer in a large department. Although your profile indicates you are a police officer and are located in Brockton, I seriously doubt that you are a Brockton Police Officer. I suspect you are actually a campus officer, attempting to mis-represent himself. If I am correct, please tell us why you feel this need.. Be proud of your job and simply do what you are expected to do... I went to the full time academy with several Brockton officers and know many of them well. The guys I know from Brockton think people who mis-represent themselves and who are itching for authority they don't have are a pain in the a** and are pathetic.. Are you a Brockton Police Officer or not ??? I doubt it. I have not contradicted myself.. I played devil's advocate with the hope of stimulating some intelligent conversation but the yahoos among us on this thread went to pieces and showed why a few of you campus officers are going to screw it up for all of you... I'm bored with people like you... adios, good bye, arivaderche... Any cheap shots after I have made my point several times simply shows how insecure you are... re-read my posts you simplistic dim-wits !!! As a matter of fact, you wannabes have actually turned me against campus officers getting Ch 90 powers.. you are way too over zealous for it - makes me and any reasonable person wonder why you sooo desperately want and crave it...is it your ego ?? Be honest. If so, that's reason enough to deny Ch 90 for campus officers and deputies.. YOU extremists are ruining the opportunity for the vast majority of campus officers. Most seem like level headed, decent people. You "wannabe real" wackos are the problem. Stop, think,be logical - before you fly off the handle again... the State Reps and others who will vote on this matter may be reading this thread...

Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by sylvester

Irish,
The guys I know from Brockton think people who mis-represent themselves and who are itching for authority they don't have are a pain in the a** and are pathetic..
Ah yeah, sure that's a quote right?
As a matter of fact, you wannabes have actually turned me against campus officers getting Ch 90 powers.. you are way too over zealous for it - .
Hmmm......now we finally did it! got you to cahnge your mind!

Sylvester, I think this is really tweety!

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

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Originally Posted by sylvester

yawn.... good luck.... who cares... the ones most fervent to get this power simply raise an eyebrow and are the cause of the State Reps. using caution on this bill. The over reaction to my simple question speaks volumes... for your sake, lets hope no pols read this thread... time to move on to other issues. If you get Ch 90 - good for you, if you don't, so what... the pay is the same. With some of you, it seems that you simply want the opportunities to put the blue lights on, to be seen pulling people over, to look like "real" police... if that is the case, and I suspect it is the primary motivation of some of you... grow up and stop being pathetic. You have an important and honorable job; many can't do it. Look at the big picture. The few yahoos screw it up for all of you. THAT is why the Reps are being cautious. They are leary of power seeking yahoos who feign interest in "campus safety" to justify their real motivations... enough said - good luck if you get it, but be ready to lose it when some of the cowboys screw it up for you... we see on this thread who the cowboys are.

Hey Jack ASS!
Click on to my profile and you will know exactly were I work! I am still asking the question where you work or are you that gutless to tell us. Your another big mouth with no balls. You know where I work, if you want we can discuss this in person you puss!

Posted by: dcs2244

Irish, I am in awe of your manliness...

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

DC you would be in awe of my two year old's manliness. We can start up again if you want.

Posted by: sylvester

irish is a campus officer with an ego problem... he thinks he needs the power of "real" police so he can pull people over for the slightest violation and be seen doing it.. Wow... the blue lights.. the writing of a citation... people will be impressed... Ya,right... Irish, you need to grow up. With your hyper vigilant, need for "power" attitude, you will never achieve your goal... Municipal and State Police officers are screened very cautiuosly to make sure the wannabe likes of you are excluded... YOU give the decent, very capable college officers, that might make it as regular police, a black eye. Enough said. You are absolutely on a quest for power - That is exactly why you cannot be a municipal or State police officer - you, and your likes, need to grow up and stop making your peers look like fools. Do your job well, realize what is expected of you, do that and do it well,.. you will be respected by all. Currently, you act like the fool in the Super Troopers movie. Do some introspective thought before you respond... I'm not going to get dragged into a personal beef with the likes of an insecure wannabe like you.. This is not, and has never been a "real" vs college officer thread.. you and 1 or 2 others want to make it that. Calm the f down - you are making your colleagues look like fools. Think ! The State Reps that are contemplating giving you guys Ch 90 authority may be following this post.. Seeing wild eyed extremists like you might be a scare for them.. where are the calm, reasonable, non extremist campus officers who can make a valid argument for this legislation ???? Right now, only the wackos among you are sputtering and they are hurting your argument... I'm done on this thread ..No more trying to reason with power hungry morons who can't discuss an issue without flying off the handle.. After this experience, I can see why state legislators might vote against this bill... can you spell
i-n-s-e-c-u-r-e -f-o-o-l -d-e-s-p-a-r-a-t-l-y- s-e-e-k-i-n-g- p-o-w-e-r-d-u-e-t-o-e-g-o-a-n-d-i-n-s-e-c-u-r-i-t-y-i-s-s-u-e-s....it's grow up time !!!

Posted by: Delta784

Sylvester....what the hell is your problem??? Traffic enforcement ranks very close to dead-last on my list of priorities that cops should be concerned with. It's a necessary evil....no more, no less. State college cops already have the authority to enforce Ch.90, they just lack the actual citation books. Is it really a threat to civilization as we know it if state college PO's write CMVI's?

These police officers are already entrusted with the most awesome power imaginable...the power to legally deprive someone of their liberty, via arrest. Is it really outrageous to allow them to hand out civil motor vehicle infractions??

Also, you never answered my question....how would you like to be stuck with an OUI because someone with the authority to make the stop (state college PO) didn't have a citation book? I know I wouldn't like it too much.

Posted by: USMCTrooper

A wild thought here but I wonder if Sen. Lees is being asked to stall this bill by school administrators and / or chiefs of college depts. One possible reason (I havent heard here yet) why is money. Hearings and appeals require a court officer and sending officers to court more frequently than I would guess may occur now, either on OT or during shift. Which colleges have a dedicated court officer and how many CPO's go to court on OT weekly? I'm wondering if the motivation is to prevent that scenario and thereby save the school money.

Just a thought..............

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Hey sylvester,

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good luck!!

Posted by: SSPO#11

USMC,

Framingham State College PD has a department prosecutor. At the hearing there were some College Chiefs in attendance, but you never know what these administrators are thinking.

I am sick of this train of thought that State Reps are following this thread. I think they have better things to do than check Masscops religiously like we all do.

#11

Posted by: mpd61

As stated above, most of us like FSC, Bridgewater State, Salem State, etc already have dedicated prosecutors in place. That's not the issue believe me.
We are writing V's and they're being processed by RMV and District Courts. End of story.

Thanks to those articulate and critical thinkers out here who have kept it going...........

Sylvester, get a counselor

Posted by: new guy

Hey why aren't private Universities included in this Bill ? Just kidding, I move to put this thread on ice pending the decision.

Posted by: Macop

Hey Sylvester, shut up and go back to your security job.

Posted by: Capt. Kirk

I attend a state community college and there are times when the police officers definitely need chapter90 powers. You got young kids showing up for campus activities at night, drinking in their cars and think they can get away with it. I for one want them to be stopped if possible before they hit the road. I don't know what happened to you sylvester that you despise campus officers so much... Did you get cited by one is that where your animosity stems from??? This comes down to officers being able to do their job and protecting the public safety.Frankly the idea that, another officer thinks its a good idea to NOT restore and important public safety tool scares me. Way to back other brothers and sisters in law enforcment. Whos the YAHOO now????

Posted by: fscpd903

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt. Kirk

I attend a state community college and there are times when the police officers definitely need chapter90 powers. You got young kids showing up for campus activities at night, drinking in their cars and think they can get away with it. I for one want them to be stopped if possible before they hit the road. I don't know what happened to you sylvester that you despise campus officers so much... Did you get cited by one is that where your animosity stems from??? This comes down to officers being able to do their job and protecting the public safety.Frankly the idea that, another officer thinks its a good idea to NOT restore and important public safety tool scares me. Way to back other brothers and sisters in law enforcment. Whos the YAHOO now????

I agree Capt Kirk!! This guy obviously has a problem with campus cops and is using this forum to bash us. His argument and his points are weak and it appears he hasn't been reading the posts thoroughly and if he has been, his interpertation is way off base. I hope that anyone who reads his rediculous, pointless idiotic posts takes them for what they are worth, and realize that he has an entitled mentality and a problem with campus cops, which is why he is so against this bill passing.

Posted by: sylvester

yawn.... get a life. I could not care less if you campus officers get citation books... for the last time I will repeat : WHY are you so eager for them ??? Be honest, some of you, not all, have an inferiority complex. You lust for the "power" to put blue lights on, stop people, be seen stopping people !!!!! Maybe someone will think you are "real" police !!! That is what your shallow ego needs... POWER !!!!! grow up. Enough said.

Posted by: PVD24

wow... this sylvester guy needs help badly. If you don't care about the bill, then why are you reading this thread religiously. Go be a "real" police officer, and I think I figured out your hatred towards Campus Police. I believe you never stepped foot on a college campus, and probably have your Good Enough Degree.... just jealous that we can go to school for free and still get paid well.

Posted by: fscpd907

Quote:

Originally Posted by sylvester

I'm bored with people like you... adios, good bye, arivaderche

You have stated over and over that you don't care

but you keep on posting?

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Quote:

Originally Posted by fscpd907

You have stated over and over that you don't care

but you keep on posting?

907 do'nt bother you can't reason with a section 12

Posted by: sylvester

i've hit the nail on the head - it really is about the POWER of pulling people over, isn't it...?? No question about it. You are neither expected to, or paid to pull people over and enforce Ch 90 - YET you crave the power... that is EXACTLY what it is all about with you whackers..pathetic...There is no other reason why you crave this "authority"... oops, I forgot, you may be a suck up that is overwhelmed with concern for campus safety... get a life, wannabes... I hope I am not offending the vast majority of campus officers, who I know are decent, rational people, who simply go to work and do their jobs... I respect you. It is the loud mouth, power hungry, whackers that thirst for the power to pull people over, to look "real", that irk me. They belong back at the mall.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by sylvester

i've hit the nail on the head - it really is about the POWER of pulling people over, isn't it...??

You can't possibly be that dense, can you?

The officers who this bill would effect ALREADY HAVE THE "POWER" TO ENFORCE CHAPTER 90!!!! What is so difficult to understand about that??

Posted by: fscpd907

Sylvester

In your eleven posts on the matter I believe you have fully explained your opinion in regards to this issue. I do not believe any further discussion will change your hostile views. But I will make one last attempt to justify our position.

It has been stated over and over this bill gives no additional authority or jurisdiction to State College Police Departments. Your opinion that a simple M/V stop makes us feel real is completely outrageous and unjustified. State College Police Departments have been writing citations for over thirty years without a problem. Now we suddenly transformed into Yahoo’s overnight? It’s not about power or additional authority it’s about being able to do our job professionally as a full service police agency.

Your claims about not being paid by our respective institutions to enforce traffic violations are completely unfounded. The College will not pay the “real police” to sit on campus and monitor traffic. The “real police” do not want to patrol our campus and get caught up in matters that we can handle. They have their responsibilities and we have ours. I do not want to be writing a citation in downtown Framingham and they do not want to be writing V’s to members of our community.

Administrators and Senators against this bill you say? Then WHY does the college administration post to all students?

The Department handles all law enforcement duties in conjunction with the campus and also patrols the streets and areas contiguous to the College traveled by students and faculty to and from the campus to area parking lots and public transportation locations. Sworn members of the department are employed by the College and serve the institution as police officers.

We have also had tremendous support from many Town and State government leaders in regards to this issue

I truly believe you are trying “stir the pot” by unprofessional name calling and remarks about “whackers and mall security.” If you are a Police Officer I can’t see how you could be against this issue.

Posted by: Capt. Kirk

I say we ignore his "Good Enough Degree" posts and continue having civil discussions without him.He just keeps repeating himself anyway.

Posted by: dcs2244

Campus police officers are "real" police, Sylvester. Since they are "real" police, they should have all the tools, including chapter 90. Period. Those among them who are power motivated will reveal themselves quickly...just as they do in the "real" world.

Posted by: SouthSideCobras

Sylvester

Drunk Driving: 2.1 million students between the ages of 18 and 24 drove under the influence of alcohol last year

Over 33% of all deaths for people aged 15-20 result from motor vehicle crashes. In 1996, almost two out of five of these motor vehicle fatalities involved alcohol

Eight young people a day die in alcohol-related crashes

Alcohol kills more teenagers than all other drugs combined. It is a factor in the three leading causes of death among 15-24 year olds: accidents, homicides, and suicides.

But I guess all College Cops who care about campus safety and saving lives with OUI enforcemnet are just:

"I forgot, you may be a suck up that is overwhelmed with concern for campus safety... get a life, wannabes."

You are the type of cop who does the minimum amount of work per shift, just getting by with the least amount of effort possible.

Alcohol Use and Driving by College Students
According to CAS, fully 30 percent of students who drank in the past year said they had driven after drinking alcohol during the past 30 days (Wechsler et al., 2000b). In the Core survey, one-third of students (39 percent of drinkers) admitted driving while under the influence of alcohol or other drugs within the past year (Presley et al., 1996a,b).
About one-half of all fatal traffic crashes among 18- to 24-year-olds involve alcohol, and many of those killed are college students (Chassin and DeLucia, 1996). Further, data from SAMHSA show that an estimated 18 percent of drivers age 16 to 20—about 2.5 million adolescents—drive under the influence of alcohol (Center for Substance Abuse Treatment, 1999).

Recent data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) show that motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for young people, 15 to 20 years of age, and that the severity of traffic crashes increases with alcohol involvement. In 1998, 21 percent of the drivers aged 15 to 20 who were killed in crashes were intoxicated (blood alcohol concentration > 0.10), and 21 percent of drivers in this age group who were involved in fatal crashes (i.e., one in which someone, not necessarily the driver, dies) were intoxicated (NHTSA, 2000). NHTSA does not break down statistics for this age group into college and noncollege students. Nonetheless, many of the young drivers and passengers killed—like Jon Levy from Radford University—were college students.

Posted by: Capt. Kirk

Thanks for the data SouthSideCobra ! This is exactly the reason these police officers need these powers RESTORED!!!!

Posted by: sylvester

good luck with it. Sorry if i got out of line - had started out as devil's advocate until a wiseguy or two ticked me off

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Quote:

Originally Posted by sylvester

good luck with it. Sorry if i got out of line - had started out as devil's advocate until a wiseguy or two ticked me off

It happens to the best of us!!

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpd61

I'm usually and optimist, however, I think this bill will fade away, just like me.

Political influence + cops vs. cops = DEAD Horse

Posted by: Macop

So whats new with the bill?

Posted by: j809

Well this is the latest, i think it's finalised.
05/04/06 S Postponed to Thursday, May 11
05/11/06 S Further amendment (Pacheco) to pending amendment (Lees) adopted
05/11/06 S Pending amendment adopted, as amended

Posted by: Sgt_110

Would someone (anyone) please share with the group the status of this bill?

Did it pass, is it still pending amendment(s) on the floor or did it die an unattended death at the end of the session?

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sgt_110

Would someone (anyone) please share with the group the status of this bill?

Did it pass, is it still pending amendment(s) on the floor or did it die an unattended death at the end of the session?

Thanks in advance.

The House concurred Senate Bill 2132 whatever that means????

The House concurred Senate Bill 1338 for Environmental Police???? (Did not know EP had to fight for the citation books also)

Posted by: SouthSideCobras

It’s on the Governor’s desk waiting his signature.

Posted by: USMCTrooper

Quote:

So who is this person and why is it included????

Posted by: USMCTrooper

Quote:

Section 8 of Chapter 90C of the General Laws, as appearing in the 2002 Official Edition, is hereby amended by striking out the first 2 sentences and inserting in place thereof the following 3 sentences:- The registrar shall print citation books and distribute the same to each police chief. The registrar shall also distribute citation books to the director of law enforcement in the office of law enforcement in the executive office of environmental affairs for use by the environmental police, and the authority to receive such books by said office shall not be construed to expand the powers or duties granted by law to such office or police. The registrar shall obtain receipts for all citation books so distributed.

For all the debate about who can and can't, does anyone else notice who was specifically not mentioned in the litany of names these two bills include???

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Quote:

Originally Posted by USMCTrooper

For all the debate about who can and can't, does anyone else notice who was specifically not mentioned in the litany of names these two bills include???

Would that be a SHERIFF??

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by USMCTrooper

So who is this person and why is it included????

Perhaps to cover the DMH Police?

Posted by: fscpd903

Quote:

Originally Posted by USMCTrooper

So who is this person and why is it included????

Neil R. Kilpeck Superintendent

WELCOME TO THE BUREAU OF STATE OFFICE BUILDINGS

The Bureau of State Office Buildings manages the state office buildings located at the Government Center Complex in Boston including the State House, John W. McCormack, Charles F. Hurley and Erich Lindemann Buildings - as well as one in Pittsfield and one in Springfield.

Evidently this guy is Neil R. Kilpeck, this is all I could find on it anyway!!

Also, the following is the breakdown on the bill since April 2006:

04/04/06 S Motion to lay on the table withdrawn
04/04/06 S Rules suspended
04/04/06 S Amendment (Lees) pending
04/04/06 S Postponed to Wednesday, April 26, 2006 -SJs 1640-1641
05/04/06 S Postponed to Thursday, May 11 -SJs 1691-1692
05/11/06 S Further amendment (Pacheco) to pending amendment (Lees) adopted
05/11/06 S Pending amendment adopted, as amended -SJs 1725-1726
06/15/06 H House concurred

Posted by: USMCTrooper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta784

Perhaps to cover the DMH Police?

Section 1 of Chapter 90C of the General Laws, as appearing in the 2004 Official Edition, is hereby amended by striking out the definition of "Police chief" and inserting in place thereof the following definition:

“Police Chief”, the chief or the head of the organized police department of a city or town, the commissioner of public safety, the colonel of state police, the state superintendent of buildings, the chairman of the Massachusetts Turnpike Authority, such person as the trustees of the University of Massachusetts shall appoint as chief of the police officers appointed under section 32A of chapter 75, such person as the trustees at each of the commonwealth's state and community colleges shall appoint as chief of the police officers appointed under section 22 of chapter 15A, such persons as the commissioner of mental health may designate at each institution of the department of mental health, or as the commissioner of mental retardation may designate at each institution of the department of mental retardation as the chief of the special police officers thereat appointed under section 59 of chapter 22C, or the chief of the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority police department.

No, DMH is covered in the new draft. I am suspect of this building superintendent guy. Anyone else???

Yes....you are correct PBC FL..the term "sheriff" is clearly not mentioned.

Posted by: j809

Quote:

Yes....you are correct PBC FL..the term "sheriff" is clearly not mentioned.

But sheriffs still think they have ch90 power.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by j809

But sheriffs still think they have ch90 power.

They do have the power/authority, they just don't have official access to citation books.

I'm still very puzzled as to why the ability to write traffic citations, which is one of the most mundane, boring, responsibilities of a police officer, is guarded like a nuclear secret in this state.

Who really gives a rat's ass if sheriffs, private campus PD's, or railroad PD's started enforcing Chapter 90????

Posted by: Mitpo62

If I knew the answer to that one Delta, you and I would be out on an early retirement! Wouldn't that be nifty?

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitpo62

If I knew the answer to that one Delta, you and I would be out on an early retirement! Wouldn't that be nifty?

I am more than happy to drop-back and punt when it comes to a traffic citation/crash. If another agency wants to take either, they have my eternal thanks!!

Posted by: Otto

Quote:

Originally Posted by j809

But sheriffs still think they have ch90 power.

Sheriffs did not even try to be included.

They were not removed from the definition of police officer, so, yes they still retain their Ch 90 authority.

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta784

I'm still very puzzled as to why the ability to write traffic citations, which is one of the most mundane, boring, responsibilities of a police officer, is guarded like a nuclear secret in this state.

So true, yet some people are willing to fight that battle to the death!!!

Posted by: SSPO#11

06/20/06 S Amendment adopted
06/22/06 H Rules suspended
06/22/06 H House concurred
06/22/06 H Again enacted
06/22/06 S Enacted and laid before the Governor

Good luck fellas! It's been a huge battle!

#11

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

I was doing a detail at the college and talked to State Rep Phil Travis of Dighton who also works at Massasoit Com College. (He was approached by several campus police officers including myself 2 years ago to sponsor a house bill "chapter 90 citation books for state campus police officers" which he as well as several other politicians did) Rep Travis stated he is having lunch and a press conference this week with Gov Romley and will put a bug under his ass to have him sign the bill. Keep you fingers cross!!!

Call gov office 617-725-4005 and ask him to support senate bill 2132

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

The Governor has signed senate bill 2132

Congratulations to all involved

Posted by: Macop

Nice

Posted by: pickels

Congrats to all who put in a lot of time and effort into this. Now we got the tools to do the job right.

Posted by: Delta784

Congratulations to all!

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta784

Congratulations to all!

Delta you were right this was not as easy as I and others thought it was going to be. It was not because of other police unions but because of a screwball politian named Senator Lees.

Posted by: Macop

Now its time to get Private college PDs into this mix.

Posted by: Muggsy09

Quote:

Originally Posted by pickels

Congrats to all who put in a lot of time and effort into this. Now we got the tools to do the job right.

The only "tools" we have work days.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irish Wampanoag

Delta you were right this was not as easy as I and others thought it was going to be. It was not because of other police unions but because of a screwball politian named Senator Lees.

Well, nothing worth having is easy. I'm not convinced the good senator didn't have someone whispering in his ear, but at least the matter is settled, once and for all.

Posted by: mpd61

WELL NOW!!!!!!!!!

Chapter 73/s.18Chapter 15A/s.22Chapter 90C/s.1

Three strikes you're out!!!! Maybe now with three distinct statutes, especially being recognized as '"police officers" under Chapter 90, the BS will stop! I can't wait to drive up to Randolph and get another 300 books!
=D>

Posted by: Macop

Nice Scotty.

Posted by: sgt128-13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macop

Now its time to get Private college PDs into this mix.

I'd think that would be an extremely daunting task, given how difficult this past matter was. I would guess that the state would be more reluctant to pass legislation governing private institution PD's... but who knows, maybe a cloud of common sense will settle on Beacon Hill for a while

Anyways... congrats to all involved on putting that baby to bed!

Posted by: mcpd704

so did this bill actually get passed or is it still on the Govenor's desk? I went to the state webpage to try to verify some of the information and it says that it is still on the desk...then again, it is a holiday weekend so maybe it hasnt been updated?

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpd61

WELL NOW!!!!!!!!!

Chapter 73/s.18Chapter 15A/s.22Chapter 90C/s.1

Three strikes you're out!!!! Maybe now with three distinct statutes, especially being recognized as '"police officers" under Chapter 90, the BS will stop! I can't wait to drive up to Randolph and get another 300 books!

=D>

We still have 200 left thanks to Traffic Nazi j809!!!

Posted by: j809

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irish Wampanoag

We still have 200 left thanks to Traffic Nazi j809!!!

Also was known as the "Romanian Hitman".

Posted by: fscpd907

Campus cops get ticketing powers restored
By Emelie Rutherford/ Daily News Staff
Friday, July 7, 2006

BOSTON -- Speed demons at Framingham State College, beware.
State and community college police soon will be able to ticket drivers for moving violations such as speeding and running stop signs, thanks to a new law Gov. Mitt Romney signed last Friday. Such officers were able to pull over and ticket campus drivers for decades, until the state Registry of Motor Vehicles stopped giving their departments ticket books roughly two years ago.

Since then, FSC officers have been limited to pulling over disobedient drivers and telling them to follow the rules of the road, said FSC Police Chief Brad Medeiros.

"You can only give them verbal warnings so many times until it becomes a joke," Medeiros said.

The new law "is going to allow us to address issues that go unaddressed right now and enhance public safety on the campus," he said.

FSC police register more than 5,000 cars a year for parking spots, making the compact campus off Rte. 9 a busy one for both vehicle and pedestrian traffic.

After state and community college police receive the citation books, likely in September, they will once again have all the same powers to arrest people for crimes spelled out in state law that city and town police officers have.

The new law does not apply to police at private colleges such as Brandeis University in Waltham. Under state law, private schools do not have the authority to enforce state motor vehicle violations, though they can create their own rules for what their private security personnel can do.

The new law also will not impact Dean College in Franklin, a private school with no roads of its own for its police to patrol.

The RMV stopped issuing the citation books to state and community college police about two years ago when it reviewed state law and realized such departments should not be receiving them, said spokeswoman Amie O'Hearn. The RMV is "indifferent" about the newly passed law and is ready to issue the new tickets when the law goes into effect in September, she said.

The whole issue of whether state and community college police should be ticketing drivers arose out of a turf battle between campus police and state police, said state Sen. Marc Pacheco, D-Taunton, a sponsor of the legislation.

University of Massachusetts police never lost their ticketing powers.

At FSC, Medeiros said his department has had to rely on Framingham Police officers to patrol the campus at busy times and ticket drivers.

Receiving the ticket books will be a "morale booster" for his campus officers, he said.

The Bridgewater State College Police Department has continued ticketing drivers in recent years, using citation books ordered before the RMV stopped issuing them, Police Chief David Tillinghast said.

Barbara Harrington, Mothers Against Drunk Driving's state executive director, applauded the new law.

"Increasing law enforcement, especially highly visible law enforcement, is the key strategy going forward in drunk driving," she said. "And obviously on the community college campuses they have underage drinking issues."

Posted by: SPINMASS

Once again, congrads to all state college officers, the books should have never been taken away.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

The whole issue of whether state and community college police should be ticketing drivers arose out of a turf battle between campus police and state police, said state Sen. Marc Pacheco, D-Taunton, a sponsor of the legislation.

All due respect to Sen Marc Pacheco this was a turf battle with the Sheriff's and State Police
We were unaware of any concerns until Sen Lees pushed the issue with EOPS and basically forced them to oppose the bill. One of my great and key coworkers in pushing this bill called SPAM to explain and they were not only supportive but were clueless to the proposed legislation.

Posted by: daveh

OMG...

Yaay!

Posted by: jrc1179

SOOO does this mean the sheriffs are going to have ticket books now too.

Posted by: fscpd903

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrc1179

SOOO does this mean the sheriffs are going to have ticket books now too.

No! This has nothing to do with Sheriffs! In laymans terms; Chapter 90 and its subsequent sections were amended to include in the language State and Community College Police Chiefs and State and Community College Police Officers which will now make them eligible to receive the Massachusetts Uniform Citiation books by statute.

It has absolutely nothing to do with sheriffs.

Posted by: MCLEA

Campus cops get ticketing powers restored
By Emelie Rutherford/ Daily News Staff
Friday, July 7, 2006

BOSTON -- Speed demons at Framingham State College, beware.
State and community college police soon will be able to ticket drivers for moving violations such as speeding and running stop signs, thanks to a new law Gov. Mitt Romney signed last Friday. Such officers were able to pull over and ticket campus drivers for decades, until the state Registry of Motor Vehicles stopped giving their departments ticket books roughly two years ago.
Since then, FSC officers have been limited to pulling over disobedient drivers and telling them to follow the rules of the road, said FSC Police Chief Brad Medeiros.
"You can only give them verbal warnings so many times until it becomes a joke," Medeiros said.
The new law "is going to allow us to address issues that go unaddressed right now and enhance public safety on the campus," he said.
FSC police register more than 5,000 cars a year for parking spots, making the compact campus off Rte. 9 a busy one for both vehicle and pedestrian traffic.
After state and community college police receive the citation books, likely in September, they will once again have all the same powers to arrest people for crimes spelled out in state law that city and town police officers have.
The new law does not apply to police at private colleges such as Brandeis University in Waltham. Under state law, private schools do not have the authority to enforce state motor vehicle violations, though they can create their own rules for what their private security personnel can do.
The new law also will not impact Dean College in Franklin, a private school with no roads of its own for its police to patrol.
The RMV stopped issuing the citation books to state and community college police about two years ago when it reviewed state law and realized such departments should not be receiving them, said spokeswoman Amie O'Hearn. The RMV is "indifferent" about the newly passed law and is ready to issue the new tickets when the law goes into effect in September, she said.
The whole issue of whether state and community college police should be ticketing drivers arose out of a turf battle between campus police and state police, said state Sen. Marc Pacheco, D-Taunton, a sponsor of the legislation.
University of Massachusetts police never lost their ticketing powers.
At FSC, Medeiros said his department has had to rely on Framingham Police officers to patrol the campus at busy times and ticket drivers.
Receiving the ticket books will be a "morale booster" for his campus officers, he said.
The Bridgewater State College Police Department has continued ticketing drivers in recent years, using citation books ordered before the RMV stopped issuing them, Police Chief David Tillinghast said.
Barbara Harrington, Mothers Against Drunk Driving's state executive director, applauded the new law.
"Increasing law enforcement, especially highly visible law enforcement, is the key strategy going forward in drunk driving," she said. "And obviously on the community college campuses they have underage drinking issues."

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