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does the list get scrapped every test?

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Posted by: jasonbr

A friend of the family is sgt and he told me that the old list gets scrapped every new exam.
Other night at the bar my college cop buddy said they didn't scrap the list. I'm sure the sgt is corrct however i figured i might as well ask you guys. This place seems to be a plethora of knowledge. Thanks


Posted by: RCS

Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonbr
A friend of the family is sgt and he told me that the old list gets scrapped every new exam.
Other night at the bar my college cop buddy said they didn't scrap the list. I'm sure the sgt is corrct however i figured i might as well ask you guys. This place seems to be a plethora of knowledge. Thanks
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There would be no point in having a new test if the old list was kept. My vote is for the Sgt....


Posted by: EOD1

exactly, what be the point of having another test? if that was the case with the way the MSP works you'd be in the trooper academy 7 years after you took the test. can u imagine having to only take one test?


Posted by: GARDA

Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonbr
A friend of the family is sgt and he told me that the old list gets scrapped every new exam.
Other night at the bar my college cop buddy said they didn't scrap the list. I'm sure the sgt is corrct however i figured i might as well ask you guys. This place seems to be a plethora of knowledge. Thanks
"A plethora of pinatas"? What movie?...Anyone know? Anyone?

But seriously jasonbr,
The old list won't be scrapped until a new list has been 'certified', so to speak...
which only means that you have to let the Question/Appeal Process exhaust itself first.
Only then are the new scores deemed, 'Official' and the old list gets shit-canned.

So, hypothetically...they could take another class off of the old list, even after new test scores have been released, but not yet certified. Hope that helps, good luck.


Posted by: EOD1

ohh ohh i got it The Three Amigos!! "together we.... raped their horses... RAPED THE HORSES!!! and ahh...road off on their woman"
yeah just cause the scores are released doesn't mean they will hire of that list UNTIL its certified... same as civil circus.
Quote:
Originally Posted by GARDA
"A plethora of pinatas"? What movie?...Anyone know? Anyone?


But seriously jasonbr,
The old list won't be scrapped until a new list has been 'certified', so to speak...
which only means that you have to let the Question/Appeal Process exhaust itself first.
Only then are the new scores deemed, 'Official' and the old list gets shit-canned.

So, hypothetically...they could take another class off of the old list, even after new test scores have been released, but not yet certified. Hope that helps, good luck.



Posted by: fore2213

Ah yes, its the 3 Amigos!!!! Thats a lost classic!!!!!



Quote:
Originally Posted by GARDA
"A plethora of pinatas"? What movie?...Anyone know? Anyone?

But seriously jasonbr,
The old list won't be scrapped until a new list has been 'certified', so to speak...
which only means that you have to let the Question/Appeal Process exhaust itself first.
Only then are the new scores deemed, 'Official' and the old list gets shit-canned.

So, hypothetically...they could take another class off of the old list, even after new test scores have been released, but not yet certified. Hope that helps, good luck.



Posted by: GARDA

Nice Job EOD1 and fore2213!
The Three Amigos!!!
There is genuine hope in the land of Mental Luggage, as useless as it may be! HA!


Posted by: Gunbunny

I hate to correct you GARDA but it was "plethora of presents" not pinatas. sorry my friend


Posted by: MallPolice

WRONG, new test, new list, there is no certification, this isn't civil service.


Quote:
Originally Posted by GARDA
"A plethora of pinatas"? What movie?...Anyone know? Anyone?

But seriously jasonbr,
The old list won't be scrapped until a new list has been 'certified', so to speak...
which only means that you have to let the Question/Appeal Process exhaust itself first.
Only then are the new scores deemed, 'Official' and the old list gets shit-canned.

So, hypothetically...they could take another class off of the old list, even after new test scores have been released, but not yet certified. Hope that helps, good luck.



Posted by: wryman

Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonbr
A friend of the family is sgt and he told me that the old list gets scrapped every new exam.
Other night at the bar my college cop buddy said they didn't scrap the list. I'm sure the sgt is corrct however i figured i might as well ask you guys. This place seems to be a plethora of knowledge. Thanks



Posted by: Billy5715

As MallCop said there is no Cert. for the State Police. They administer there own exam, they have no connection with Mass. HRD/Civil Service. I am sure one of the MSP guys on here will give you the facts but I am pretty sure there list is not certifed. Just my though.


Posted by: jasonbr

yea, i counted on the sgt being right. At the time i told the guy he must be mistaken so i just wanted to make sure i wasn't setting myself up to look like an idiot. Thanks for the input - jason


Posted by: EOD1

hey thats even better, I guess, does the MSP take as long to release test scores? waiting for that list CS list ot cert is a pain.


Posted by: nirtallica

Quote:
Originally Posted by EOD1
hey thats even better, I guess, does the MSP take as long to release test scores? waiting for that list CS list ot cert is a pain.
Civil Service administers the exam for organizational and announcement purposes. We decide when to give an exam, based on funding from the Legislature. There are many misconceptions about the funding aspect. It cost us a pretty penny to administer the exam. We have to pay a contractor to come up with a test, a location to administer the exams, monitors and OT for the Troopers who work the exam. We break pretty much even with the collection of the fees from the exam. Civil Service also gets a slice as well. That is one of the reasons why it takes a while to administer a new test. More people take the Civil Service exams than the MSP, so Civil Service generates more revenue and therefore can administer an exam every two years. The selection process is paid for by the cities and towns, not the state or Civil Service. We must pay for the test as well as the selections process. We then certify and administer the scores. You cannot get a copy of the list as you can with Civil Service. I would say the earliest for a new test would be Fall 2006. More than likely, it will be in Spring 2007. Once the new test is given, unless there is a class being processed for the SPA, the current list is scrapped, except for Veterans who had to defer due to Military commitments. They are automatically carried over to the new list with their respective scores. The 79th RTT will start on April 3, 2006. There was no funding for an 80th RTT, and word is that it does not look too promising. Unless a sup. budget includes it, chances are that the 80th RTT will come off the new list.


Posted by: frapmpd24

Quote:
Originally Posted by EOD1
exactly, what be the point of having another test? if that was the case with the way the MSP works you'd be in the trooper academy 7 years after you took the test. can u imagine having to only take one test?
And that is a good thing the test is given every two years, or else I would not have a job and still stuck with the rotten 93 I got the first time I took it. Yeah, and the state police section on this board would be clogged with threads like... "Did they get to the 73's yet"


Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonbr
A friend of the family is sgt and he told me that the old list gets scrapped every new exam.
Other night at the bar my college cop buddy said they didn't scrap the list. I'm sure the sgt is corrct however i figured i might as well ask you guys. This place seems to be a plethora of knowledge. Thanks
Sergeant says.............
College Cop says.........

Depends on how many times I fell off the barstool, but my money is with the guy who's buying the next round.


Posted by: USMCTrooper

you mean there's a test to get on the State Police?




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