| Originally Posted by SinePari There is a brass meeting next week at the SPA to set a definite date for the 79th. Just keep running. |
Herald!!!! | Originally Posted by SPD3 Um, is there any reason why you used the word cancel in this thread's title when the article clearly indicates it was delayed? The start date of most recruit training troops changes over time, some more than once. |
| I'd take a couple of dunks in the toilet and wear undies too!! If you want it bad enough right? |
| But a source familiar with the completed probe said a total of 42 recruits from last year’s class complained of harassment or unprofessional conduct at the facility and seven instructors were fingered. |
| Originally Posted by tarc I don't understand you guys that say you would be willing to wear somebodies dirty underwear on your head or get your head placed in a toilet (dirty or not), because you "want it bad enough." You guys must have no self esteem or any self respect. There is no job in this world that I would wear somebodies sweaty, shitty, underwear on my head, and say I was proud to do it. You guys need to get a reality check. |
...| Originally Posted by lawdog671 If anyone knows of a suitable way to hang the Herald from my toilet paper dispenser, please let me know. Only thing that rag is good for is to wipe my ass with it. I don't suppose the delay could have been because of a delay in background invests huh? Unreal. |
| Originally Posted by lawdog671 If anyone knows of a suitable way to hang the Herald from my toilet paper dispenser, please let me know. Only thing that rag is good for is to wipe my ass with it. I don't suppose the delay could have been because of a delay in background invests huh? Unreal. |
| Originally Posted by mechanic I would stick my head in the toilet to be on the job, what a great way to cool down after a 5 mile run.The underwear would keep the sun off my bald head!!!! |
| Originally Posted by MSP75 Why would you wipe your ass with something already covered in crap? |
Only way my head goes in a toilet is Im unconscious or dead. Not sure if I wanna work with someone that willing to get walked on just to get on. No offense to those in the process, but come on, have some pride. I know youre motivated but you should never allow that. 
| Originally Posted by Crvtte65 Two fellas I know that are in it (or will be) hear its going to start end of April/May from credible source within MSP Academy |
| Originally Posted by lawdog671 I suppose its better than getting dunked with swirlies and wearing undies on my head. Only way my head goes in a toilet is Im unconscious or dead. Not sure if I wanna work with someone that willing to get walked on just to get on. No offense to those in the process, but come on, have some pride. I know youre motivated but you should never allow that. |
| Originally Posted by masstony Troopers already on the job must so happy they got 42 RATS out of the last SP class. |
| Originally Posted by bbelichick Anyone who would quit an Academy because of their own weakness and lack of intestinal fortitude and then rather than admit it, they make up a fake reason like "They made me drink too much water" or "I didn't like their attitudes" to the Newspaper...Rat is probably too good a word. |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 I hate to repeat myself, but please explain how wearing someone else's dirty underwear on your head, getting your head stuck in a toilet, and getting your bedding thrown out a window makes someone a good cop. I'm really curious to hear the logic. I have a suggestion......have your latest RTT graduates ride with some city cops for a couple of weeks, be it Boston, Quincy, Brockton, Worcester, Springfield, etc,. What do you think? |
| Originally Posted by Rock BBelichick, you're about 90% correct. The Toilet thing was wrong however it's not what everyone thinks it was. I was there and saw it all. It was dealt with swiftly and appropriately. It's comical to see the posts and what everyone is writing (including the Herald). I love how everyone says what they would do if they were there. You weren't there (maybe you wish you were). They act like they have the facts....so unless you were there, STFU. Bedding out the window, never saw it but if I did....So what??? Yes, we were ordered to drink tons of water. Good, it was 90+ degrees almost every day for the first 2-3 weeks, we needed the hydration and still some people got dehydrated. Dirty underwear on the head, DID NOT happen. I hope that clears up some rumors. Questions, comments, or concerns? |
, the things we did were for a greater reason than just busting our balls. Even in the 6 weeks I have been out, I have noticed the little things I think and do that I learned thru this training, and have every reason to believe that if it unfortunately comes down to a situation where my life or others are at risk, I will be able to do the right thing and come out on top. Stress training or "fluffy bunny" (love that Sine) training, thats the ultimate goal. Unless you have gone thru it, its hard to explain. | Much of the program design of the SPA is distasteful to many, especially to those that could not complete it. I cringe when I read people posting about how they would have never stood for such treatment, the underlying rationalizations glaring from the text. People desire to paint the academy with this broad brush dipped in this singular five minute incident. I should think that even a cursory analysis would lead one to the conclusion that a six month period of training day and night would and does add up to a whole lot more. |
| Originally Posted by Q5-TPR I was there as well and did not see half of the stuff that is being put out as truth. My classmates and I endured and and made it! As I have said before and I said to myself all the way through, it comes down to "how bad do you want it?"! The SPA is an internal "gut-check". Some people just don't pack the gear to graduate. As far as the stress training relative to team building goes, if you were there you will understand this next statement. Troop trainee salad in the garage! Only a true team would be able to accomplish the feat we accomplished in the time limit allowed. We only got all our own shit back because of the training and team building we were given by the DI's! If we were "fuzzy bunny" trained, you would have seen nothing but a big goat f@#k that night! But instead, 174 of us got together as a team (through training), end result; mission accomplished! Only when you put the team first will you succeed! Just my $.02 for now. |
| Originally Posted by Tango Q5, I have to correct you, it was 173 of us who made up the salad that night...."because Im better than you", remember? |
| Originally Posted by ptn Class starts in April and yes there will be at least 11 95's |
| Originally Posted by nirtallica April 3rd to be exact. The hope is to graduate 145-155. Word is that the 80thRTT will come off the current test, since HR has already spent time and money on candidates. The 79th RTT will be a little more "kinder and gentler" than other classes. There will still be the military protocol and PT, but some of the things, such as "Day One" will be eliminated. |
I had grass stains on my blankets for the rest of the academy after getting my Sh%% tossed and kicked across the Rear Co. St lawn by you..gotta agree the cat walk act was great.. | Originally Posted by nirtallica "Day One" will be eliminated. |
| Originally Posted by Mikey682 Thats crap. Day one is and should remain an institution. The ability to not fall apart under stress, or just simply the ability to take a load of crap without punching a DI in the face should continue to be evaluated right from the get-go. |
| Originally Posted by Rock I wouldn't view you differently but that's just me. It would be unfortunate for you and the rest of your potential classmates to not get the same level of intense training. That, however, would not be the fault of the participants at the SPA but the powers that be that decide to make the changes. IF things change (and I stress the IF) then it's a knee jerk reaction to the CRAP (Camp Hell) that the 78th went through. I have confidence that the DI's will find a way to make life fun for each and every trainee there. |
| Also, WAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION about the SPA here. |
| Originally Posted by SPD3 You can relax with the drama about major changes at the academy. You seem to be under the impression that this is the first incident of a scandalous nature to arise from recruit training. Far worse has occurred, up to and including the death of trainees. You do nothing but a disservice to potential candidates by telling them that there will be no "day one" and that things will be "easier". There will be and it will not be. Some of the previous staff are somewhat bitter about the breadth of the scrutiny applied subsequent to the media coverage. They may in fact have such a right to feel that way. The SPA is however an institution several times removed from the collective sum of individuals who implement its programs at any given time. The actors will and do change frequently, but the play always remains the same. |
| Originally Posted by tarc If you handle your business on the streets, nobody is going to care if you had the highest class average or if you were the biggest class fu*k-up. |
| Originally Posted by Wolfman If you were the biggest class f*ckup, it will follow you for a long, long time. |
| Originally Posted by lawdog671 As far as your reputation earned in the acdademy, IT WILL follow you for your entire career, no matter what you do on the street. Ive seen it happen many times. AS much as youd like to think doing the right thing would make that go away, it really wont. |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 I have no desire to start another inter-agency debate, but I think that statement perfectly highlights the difference between the state police and city/town police. The overwhelming majority of troopers I've encountered are great guys, but it seems that all they want to talk about is their academy experience. For me, the academy was something I needed to do to get the police job, so I did it. For troopers, it seems like a way of life. If you're a city/town cop, you're judged by your peers on your job performance...you know, performing the job for real, not in a classroom, or in some wildly unrealistic training scenario. In the dozen or so years I've been an FTO, I've had people who graduated at the top of their academy class that I wouldn't trust with sharp scissors, and I've had people who graduated dead-last, who turned out to be superb street cops. And, everything in-between. The hard truth is that the police academy, any police academy, is piss-poor preparation for what a street cop is going to encounter in the real world. One of my recent trainees was horrified when we had to PC and transport a bum who was hammered on Listerine (yes, the mouthwash), and had puked/pissed/shit all over himself. My statement was "I bet they didn't tell you about this at the academy". First in the academy, last in the academy.....I don't care, as long as they can do the job. |
| The academy is just the beginning folks. It seems those who dwell on their academy life either: (a) have less than two years on the job or (b) work in an area with no real police work and cannot relate to those that do. |
| Originally Posted by tarc Now, do I admit that the SP academy is tougher than a municipal academy, sure I do. Do I wish the MPOC academies were harder, yes I do. It just seems that some of you guys take things a little to personal. Nothing wrong with defending your own, but you also have to respect other people's opinions on thing also. I never once criticized and/or demeaned the SP academy. I just made my point that there's more to your/my career than the academy. |
| Originally Posted by tarc The academy is just the beginning folks. It seems those who dwell on their academy life either: (a) have less than two years on the job or (b) work in an area with no real police work and cannot relate to those that do. |
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