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Posted by: RPD931

Any new updates on Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center Police?

Are they armed yet?

How are the working conditions?


Posted by: CampusOfficer

BIDMC is not armed. We went through the 40 hour firearms training, and were issued our firearms. After the training we were told to hold off on carrying on-duty until our use of force policy could get approved. That was back on June 27th. The approval process is supposedly still in progress . Last week (roughly), we were told to give the firearms back. We will be issued them back when the use of force policy has been approved, and we have been given the approval to carry by the hospital. The hospital administration is supposedly also behind us carrying (from what we have been hearing from our dept. administrators). You read between the lines!!!

We were all hired under the premise (and were ALL TOLD) that this was an armed position, and we have not been given approval yet; and we have been here for 8 months. We are going on 164 days since firearms training was complete, and still no firearms.

As for the working conditions...I don't know what to say other than it is a work in progress. Please refer to the above, and imagine how you would feel. How is the firearms process going over MGH??


Posted by: RPD931

Quote:
How is the firearms process going over MGH??
If I hold my breath on that issue, I'll be at the good ol' "Allen Street"

Although PR24's are looking good... and at her majesty's suggestion too.


Posted by: CampusOfficer

Quote:
Originally Posted by RPD931
Although PR24's are looking good... and at her majesty's suggestion too.
Don't be so sure about that. We all brought that up to her the day after Sept. 11, and got nowhere with it then. Great if you do, but I know the management over there. The minute someone uses it....you know how the rest of the story fits in.


Posted by:

Ol Bonnie getting soft on her policies? I never understood the thinking of the Admin when it comes to hosp police, the want them to do a there job w/ no tools.Go figure. Good luck to you guys your gonna need it, somethings never change.


Posted by: RPD931

Managers/Sup's say we'll get 'em. Still not holding my breath... She's slowly softening up.


Posted by: Finding Nemo

this is how i feel about my job and the non arming issue!




this is how i feel every wednesday when my direct deposit goes thru after a week of doing absolutely nothing !!!!






any questions?




Posted by: j809

Quote:
Originally Posted by CampusOfficer
BIDMC is not armed. We were all hired under the premise (and were ALL TOLD) that this was an armed position, and we have not been given approval yet; and we have been here for 8 months. We are going on 164 days since firearms training was complete, and still no firearms.
Why do you need firearms in a hospital where you open and lock doors and do an occasional restraint? Boston PD and MSP is always around there, as well as MUNI, HOUSING PD and others. I feel sorry for all the guys that left real departments to go there, what a SHAFT!!



Posted by: csauce30

Quote:
Why do you need firearms in a hospital where you open and lock doors and do an occasional restraint? Boston PD and MSP is always around there, as well as MUNI, HOUSING PD and others. I feel sorry for all the guys that left real departments to go there, what a SHAFT!
Now I cant speak for BIDMC officers, but I work at the NEMC, and even though we do alot of the typical hospital bullshit (restraints, unlocks, etc.) we find and seize narcotics on almost a daily basis, in addition to fighting the local shitbags like its going out of style. Not to mention the Roxy and the other nightclub crowds causing the near riots in our garage every weekend. In the last 2 weeks we had 3 people stabbed, and brawls requiring A-1, D-4, and MBTA Police response to contain the fighting. Between NEMC and BPD officers we had 10 arrests. We had 15 arrests on campus just in October and November. Most of them were disorderly, drugs, or warrants, but nonetheless, its busy. Thats not counting the dozens of arrests that we dont make because its not worth the time or manpower. If we arrested every shitbag that is smoking crack, shooting up or stealing things inside the hospital, BPD would get real tired of holding our prisoners. Just FYI, ask around, BPD is not quick to respond unless you use the word GUN when you call them. Otherwise, youre looking at a delayed response no matter what.

Just to clarify, Im not saying that we should have guns. I know there is no way in hell that NEMC is getting firearms. However, they did have them at one point, way before my time. There are only a few people at NEMC that would be qualified to carry, and for that matter, that I would feel comforatable being around while they were armed.

In closing let me add that, I know being hospital "cops" isnt the most glamorous job in the world, but at least give us the respect enough not to make ignorant statements about what you perceive to be our duties...ie - "in a hospital where you open and lock doors and do an occasional restraint?"


Posted by: Pinkos307

I got to agree with csauce, I would not want to work for any of the Boston Hospitals. I am sure we all know the "true" meaning of ABC (Ambualnce before Cruiser) and not that I agree with that at all but where do you think all those crazies go and then who has to deal with them.

Boston is not always the quickest to respond unless they hear that "man with a gun" or an officer needs needs assistance. I think Boston is a great department but they have those one or two that spoil the organization.

I also work for a private ambulance company and have a ton of respect for all the men and women who protect our hospitals.

I think it is just ignorant for someone to say they "just open and lock doors." Obviously you have no idea what they do or the stuff they go through.


Posted by:

hey BaBaBooey, or H50 or whatever your screename du jour is.

Nice to hear you spew your nonsense yet again. Now you go s#itting on Hospital cops. Remember your roots dude. You were a pretty good doorkeeper / door locker on your postage stamp sized community college campus (AKA 13th & 14th grade) up until a few months ago. Now you go trying to crap on others? Pathetic.

Oh that's right, U made the big time recently with your new job. Catch many mailbox vandals lately??

I used to work closely with the defunct H&H Police in Boston before they went private and all I can say is that they had balls of brass. Doing the job they did in the crappiest of hospitals known to man. The old BCH was a roach infested junkie haven. They used to have to sweep out the CHUD people from the tunnels between the hospital & the morgue. Try doing that with just cuffs, mace & a flashlight.

CSAUCE30,
Kudo's to you & your crew at NEMC. =D> I have been there quite a few times off duty and always felt safe seeing all the shirts of blue around. You guys as well as BIDMC should be armed after the proper training is sought & recieved.

The only bad thing about BIDMC PD is they stole our patch design. Hey 9cr57LAPD, any of them laying around to trade?? Let me know.


Posted by: Finding Nemo

housing cop, i believe i have one collecting dust... you are more than welcome to have it! thanks for the support.....

as for us unlocking doors, the bidmc public safety dept has 2 sides of the house... Police and public safety....

the police well you should know what police do, the other side does the unlocking and locking of doors etc.......

and yes both police and security (public safety) do respond to restraints.....

HEY H50,
you should not assume that bidpd is a key turner... I dont mind being bashed, but i would appreciate it if you have all your FACTS straight before doing so!


as for the nemc guy.... kudos on dealing with all the scum that drop your way.

hope this helps!




Posted by:

Quote:
Originally Posted by csauce30
Quote:
Why do you need firearms in a hospital where you open and lock doors and do an occasional restraint? Boston PD and MSP is always around there, as well as MUNI, HOUSING PD and others. I feel sorry for all the guys that left real departments to go there, what a SHAFT!
Now I cant speak for BIDMC officers, but I work at the NEMC, and even though we do alot of the typical hospital bullshit (restraints, unlocks, etc.) we find and seize narcotics on almost a daily basis, in addition to fighting the local shitbags like its going out of style. Not to mention the Roxy and the other nightclub crowds causing the near riots in our garage every weekend. In the last 2 weeks we had 3 people stabbed, and brawls requiring A-1, D-4, and MBTA Police response to contain the fighting. Between NEMC and BPD officers we had 10 arrests. We had 15 arrests on campus just in October and November. Most of them were disorderly, drugs, or warrants, but nonetheless, its busy. Thats not counting the dozens of arrests that we dont make because its not worth the time or manpower. If we arrested every shitbag that is smoking crack, shooting up or stealing things inside the hospital, BPD would get real tired of holding our prisoners. Just FYI, ask around, BPD is not quick to respond unless you use the word GUN when you call them. Otherwise, youre looking at a delayed response no matter what.

Just to clarify, Im not saying that we should have guns. I know there is no way in hell that NEMC is getting firearms. However, they did have them at one point, way before my time. There are only a few people at NEMC that would be qualified to carry, and for that matter, that I would feel comforatable being around while they were armed.

In closing let me add that, I know being hospital "cops" isnt the most glamorous job in the world, but at least give us the respect enough not to make ignorant statements about what you perceive to be our duties...ie - "in a hospital where you open and lock doors and do an occasional restraint?"

Well said Chris, I'm not pipin in on this one you how I feel about what NEMC should be doing or better yet not doing.

You know you get my blessing.Keep up the good fight bro, stay safe.


Posted by: masstoazcop

I heard that P. Barratta is the Chief over there, any truth to the rumor??


Posted by: j809

Hey I worked for three hospitals in-house safety and security for eight years in Boston and I know what the job is all about. I also knew a lot of people that worked at BIDMC when they were under Longwood. Besides, I knew that last comment would stir it up a bit. Good luck!!


Posted by: Finding Nemo

yes, paul baratta is the chief


Posted by: CampusOfficer

Quote:
Originally Posted by H50
Why do you need firearms in a hospital where you open and lock doors and do an occasional restraint? Boston PD and MSP is always around there, as well as MUNI, HOUSING PD and others. I feel sorry for all the guys that left real departments to go there, what a SHAFT!!
We are on the base of Mission Hill and Roxbury, and our patch (yes I think it was stolen) says Police. We do a lot of exterior patrols as well as off site patrols. During the commute in the not so great area of Boston, it might be nice to have the appropriate tools for your trade (that were promised). I would think that if you worked in Boston at a hospital, you would understand. But i guess you don't.


Posted by: Finding Nemo


BOO YAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!

h50 the more i read these the more i get

judging from the past comments from other officers it seems that you have forgotten where your roots are and where you came from............

walk a foot beat in my shoes and then try to talk down to this hospital cop, were all supposed to be on the same team here.........

it seems you still have a lot to learn BOOT,

take a step back and think before you judge another agency.


Posted by: mpd61

Quote:
Originally Posted by H50
Quote:
Originally Posted by CampusOfficer
BIDMC is not armed. We were all hired under the premise (and were ALL TOLD) that this was an armed position, and we have not been given approval yet; and we have been here for 8 months. We are going on 164 days since firearms training was complete, and still no firearms.
I feel sorry for all the guys that left real departments to go there, what a SHAFT!!
Grow up now kids! Don't get your underoos in a wad! I think you can all fall off H5O, he ends with a clear reference to the new hires joining a fresh, revamped, professional, armed force. In the end, they got screwed in the face for committing to an ideal. Don't you think We all feel the pain?



Posted by: Finding Nemo

I know I do !








Posted by: CampusOfficer

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd61
Grow up now kids! Don't get your underoos in a wad!
I like my underoos in a bunch though. We (9cr57 lapd and I) are just venting a little. It is not a personal attack at anyone on here.


Posted by: Finding Nemo

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH No personal attacks YEAHHHHHHHHH




Posted by: cjm74

H50 or who or what eva you are. You obv never experianced the beautiful City of Boston and its fine outstanding members of the community. I don't know if you have ever been to Brookline Ave or other parts of Mission Hill/ Roxbury, but that's a tuff area. No cop shouldbe unarmed espacially if you have qualified officers. The officers from the B.I are getting it stuck in their back side and you make a dumb ass comment to the brother blue. I don't understand how you can make that statment? Just rember Danny Dirt Bag doesn't read patches he just looks at the shiny badge. B.I.P.D keep your heads up and I'll c-ya around.--- your neighbor W.P.D


Posted by: Anonymous

There is no reason they should have guns. They are a private security force working for a private hospital. They used to have Longwood Security but the security guards they hired were robbing them blind. There are enough police officers out there, especially in that area ,that there is no need for a private outfit there. They should check doors, park cars, change a tire and provide basic security duties. They are not armed because the hospital doesn't want them armed. I heard it's because the insurance would be skyrocketing in price. And for all the people that took these jobs and didn't do some research, shame on you, now you're stuck chcking doors, hoping for a gun someday, i'm sure most guys there have their own. As far as NEMC and some other hospitals, just remember that you were hired to be security officers, stop fronting by trying to make it into a police outfit. You want to be a cop, go join a police department, LAPD is always hiring. NEMC , I am sure was really excited that their secutiy guards made some arrest,....PLEAZE, you mean Boston PD made the arrest. Hospital Officers should make sandwiches for patients, bring up IV bags to the floors, clean up bed pans, check a door, park a car, eat in the kitchen at night and sleep. Leave the POPO work to the real COPS.

P.S. They also don't need Crown Vics!!! This is better!



Posted by: RPD931

LOMAC,

Apparently you are a disgruntled PO...or failed to become one. Obviously you judge from the outside and never worked in a inner-city hospital. We do alot more than check doors... I've never cleaned a bed pan, nor have I ever delivered an IV bag. What do we do? We fight with psyche patients, drunks, gang bangers, and thieves... and yes, we chase them too. We also deal with domestics and robberies. We lock-up more than just a "few" people - sometimes more than many small or midsized towns.. No, Boston PD is NOT reliable enough to say there are "enough cops in the area"- they are always short staffed or "tied up". Response time is horrible because of that. We often have more guys on than they do. We handle all our own arrests and transports and have also ASSISTED Boston a few times as well. I get paid more than most PO's get paid and my Bennie's are MUCH better - love the 6 weeks of vacation too. Do you get that? Good perks too...

Usually it's only one or two morons on the Board of Trustees that keeps a Hospital from being armed. A gun would be nice, but I, like many others I work with, have worked for (or are working for) a "Police Department" and carried a gun. No biggie. Like many Campus Police Departments we are unarmed... nothing new in Mass.. In MOST Boston Hospitals they are "Officers" not "Guards"... a Guard will just watch someone beat the piss out of you THEN call 911. Most Hospital Police/Security dept's are Proprietary, not contract. Most Boston Hospital Police/Security Officers will deal with more physical confrontations in a year than most "Police Officers" will in their entire careers.

People Eating in the kitchen or sleeping get fired. On a PD would they get fired? Nope, they would cry foul to their union... Hospital Officers have more accountability, responsibility and liability than "Police Officers".

We ( I can't speak for all Hospitals) have great relationships with BPD, BFD, Muni's, State, Fed's and other local PD's. Like all dept. there a few arrogant fu*$s that we don't like and they don't like us. Who cares, I hope they like waiting in the waiting room for 6 hours.... "Oh, My friend Officer Smith, right this way we'll get your prisoner in and out in a jiffy"... "...don't worry about the other Officer, he's on our shit list, want some DD coffee?"

Oh yeah, It's actually against policy to change a tire... too much liability..i.e. the tire falls off on their way home..oops... But if you're driving, I'll more than gladly change your tire

Nothing like sparking me up.... Do you always like busting chops?


Posted by: luap112

Keith,

Well said =D> =D> =D> =D>


Posted by: Sgt Jack

I don't often reply much...but I have 2 things that I'd like to bring up..First off I keep hearing references to the term "REAL"..well I don't know about fellow officers that work for cities and towns..but I put on a uniform.. wear a badge that says police...have gone to and will be going to another police academy.. have to write reports..put up with BS from the public..students.. bosses..etc...work the same crazy hours..ot..details etc..get angry looks from the public while on patrol in a marked police cruiser...you get the point.. so my questions is..What's Real????...What's a real Cop?..Arrests More calls etc..hey I'd like to make more arrests and do more calls..talk to my boss...Would I like to be on a pro-active well funded city dept..Yes..and I would just about give my left nut ..to do so and..maybe sometime and the not so distanct future I will..Now that brings me to my next point..."TAKE THE TEST"...Alot of us have taken tests..attended interviews etc..however some of us..due to budges..laterals ..Politics..layoffs... aren't on yet..don't worry we will be..it's a matter of where and when...I've contributed more than my share of money and time to civil circus and a few other places as well...just getting a little tired of hearing TAKE THE TEST...As far as the Hospital Security goes..Hey these folks work their asses off.and see a lot of human misery and put up with a lot of BS..I'm sure this rivals or exceedes what some town pd's deal with on a daily basis..I worked on a ambulance for 6 years and saw first hand what they have to put up with..I think that they should be the one's to decide what they need to do their jobs...How many of us remember our ABC"S..Ambulance before cruiser..and where does the ambulance take these nice people boys and girls?...That's right the hospital...There are plenty of A@@Holes to go around so let's stop worrying about what this or that dept needs or should or shouldn't be doing..and who's real and who's not....Let's all be safe out there....Off my Soap Box.


Posted by: RPD931

High-five Sgt Jack!!!

Very well put. Thank you.


Posted by: Finding Nemo

Hey LOMAC,





you should be ashamed of yourself.......



as for CJM, RPD, LUAP, AND SGT JACK.......


YOU ROCK !!!!!!!
thanks for the support.

I used to have your same mentality LOMAC, then i grew UP!. see i have not been a cop for a long time...only 7 short years. the first 4 years was spent with LAPD, 3 patrol divisions, a CRASH unit and a Traffic Bureau.

I also worked for a freight railroad police department for 2 years where i spent many a night banging boxcars ALONE in the middle of lawrence.

being unarmed on a job that was advertised as an armed position makes me quite angry, and when i read comments from a BOOT such as yourself
makes me even more angry. You must be bum buddies with h50. between the 2 of you i think you share the same brain cell!

i said it before, and i'll say it again....

dont be so quick to judge another agency and it's QUALIFIED officers.

we have a WIDE array of expierence.... NYPD, LAPD, BOSTON PD, BROOKLINE PD, 2 FROM MGH, WELLESLEY PD, BRIDGEWATER STATE.

NUFF SAID......

THIS TOPIC SHOULD BE ENDED!





Posted by:

LOMAC,

Rest your neck, are you sure thats not you in photo.


""""""""""""""""""""""" FYI TO ALL""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

Stay on topic this is not turning into another real cop fake cop debate.Ignore those ignorant comments made by those who may have an agenda ie....LOMAC.


Posted by: mopar6972

LOMAC probably isnt really a police officer or has anything to do with law enforcement... Walk right on past that one.


Posted by: Anonymous

Stop fronting, here you go again, little guards!!

Quote:
we have a WIDE array of expierence.... NYPD, LAPD, BOSTON PD, BROOKLINE PD, 2 FROM MGH, WELLESLEY PD, BRIDGEWATER STATE.
2 from MGH = SECURITY GUARDS
BRIDGEWATER STATE = Youngest LT (20 something YO) left to come there, big mistake
WELLESLEY PD = RETIRED QUITE A WHILE AGO
RPD=Left B&M PD because he couldn't hack it there...Would love to go back
Oh yeah, I 've been a cop for quite a while and I don't believe in another security agency wanna be cops patrolling the streets that already have enough officers. Stick to the inside patrols. Oh yeah, I go through there quite a bit and never see any of the BIDMCPD officers on the streets, did BPD say something? They did to LONGWOOD SECURITY and that is all BIDMC will be, an INHOUSE LONGWOOD. Good luck and stop trying to rationalize amd justify your shortcomings.


Posted by: DODK911

This is a great site but the only thing I don't understand is why some people feel the need to put down other Dept's, Officers, etc... We are all Police Officers no matter if you are a townie, state, college, or in this case hospital. No matter where you work were all LEO's, what makes any of YOU, any better then your BROTHERS? We all wear blue and you need to start showing respect and support for your Brothers instead of BASHING them. For all you Hospital and College Cops out there that do the same job as any other PO out there but with less tools and Backing of your hire up's you have my respect.

Every One Stay Safe.


Posted by: mpd61

Quote:
Originally Posted by RPD931
We lock-up more than just a "few" people - sometimes more than many small or midsized towns.. No, Boston PD is NOT reliable enough to say there are "enough cops in the area"- they are always short staffed or "tied up". Response time is horrible because of that. We often have more guys on than they do. We handle all our own arrests and transports and have also ASSISTED Boston a few times as well. I get paid more than most PO's get paid and my Bennie's are MUCH better - love the 6 weeks of vacation too. Do you get that? Good perks too...

WOW!!!!!!!! You're the SHIT!

a Guard will just watch someone beat the piss out of you THEN call 911. Most Hospital Police/Security dept's are Proprietary, not contract. Most Boston Hospital Police/Security Officers will deal with more physical confrontations in a year than most "Police Officers" will in their entire careers.

WOW!!!!!!!You're really the SHIT!


People Eating in the kitchen or sleeping get fired. On a PD would they get fired? Nope, they would cry foul to their union... Hospital Officers have more accountability, responsibility and liability than "Police Officers".

WOW!!!!!! Now I know you're the SHIT!

We ( I can't speak for all Hospitals) have great relationships with BPD, BFD, Muni's, State, Fed's and other local PD's.

WOW!!!!!! That's because all those agencies realize you're the SHIT!

Nothing like sparking me up....

Dude! you're hotter than the sun!!!



Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

I'm closing this topic. The real cop issue can't possibly be beaten anymore than it has been on this board.




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