| Originally Posted by Officer Dunngeon Here's a concept... how about just worrying about yourself instead of worrying about how other people do their jobs? |
| Originally Posted by s1w Where would MSP be "responding" to a bank robbery? |
| Originally Posted by MSP75 Mr Guest, if you are a reporter, instead of asking why the cruiser is going so fast, ask why the Commonwealth doesn't put more troopers on the road? |
| Originally Posted by Dr.Magoo I totally agree. Too much road for too few Road Troopers. And if they drove the speed limit all the time.....image the traffic jams and accidents that would cause. |
| Originally Posted by no$.10 "unregistered" Next time you should chase that Trooper down, just keep on him until he stops, he will, eventually. When he does, exit your vehicle with your hands in the air and exclaim as loudly as you can (it is sometimes hard to hear over traffic) "I am invoking the third principal!!" Keep repeating this until you attract the attention of several other motorists. It would help to get their attention if you maybe tried to flag them down. Perhaps stepping out into the travel lane to get them to slow down. If you can attract enough attention, boy, will that Trooper be in trouble. He'll never speed again, I assure you. There is strength in numbers, so feel free to recruit other fine citizens to engage in similar behavior. I assure you, you will see some results. Glad to be of assistance. These Troopers have been getting away with all of this for far too long. |
| Originally Posted by Cruiser6 The likelihood of injuring or killing innocent civilians driving like this is far too high. When a cruiser is speeding, unseen and unheard in traffic, he/it becomes just as dangerous as the call he is responding to. We all want to go home to our families at night and so do the unsuspecting motorists that just might 'meet' that cruiser in a disastrous manner. It's not worth it and following department guidelines is a must. A speeding cruiser at even 80 - 90 MPH is a 2 ton dangerous weapon. |
| Originally Posted by Unregistered Wow, it seems I struck a nerve. I did not mean to offend you guys, but it seems my question did just that, sorry. Let me clarify. I do not have a ticket. I have not had one since 1994. Therefore, comments like ‘talk to judge’ and ‘driving is privilege’ are misaddressed. Invoking the third law is funny, but if you were talking about Kevin Costner’s Postman, I believe it’s the eighth law. Of course I do not have a RADAR, but why would I need one? It is obvious these cops are driving like their hair is on fire. Whether it is 100mph or 120mph is irrelevant. Finally, I have no a problem with these troopers speeding, only with them not using their lights and siren. To me driving so fast without lights seems reckless. Yet, I see it 2-3 times a week, thus, there must be a reason. All I wanted to know is if there some obscure reason; like do not use lights and siren too often because it scares the public, or it lets helicopter reporters know there is a crime in progress, or some other nonsense. So, are there any such reasons? If no, then why aren’t these guys using their lights? Is it because they are only allowed to use them incase of emergency? I hope this clarifies my original question. Thanks. |
| Originally Posted by Unregistered We're all hypocrites to some degree. We speed in our marked vehicles because our current speed limits (55/65) are often obsolete and unnecessary. They are not in place for safety reasons. Everybody knows that modern automobiles can travel safely at 90, 100+ mph (go to Germany and see). The argument for speeding, that we have a large patrol area to cover is as legitimate as John Q. Public's excuse that he has to get to work, pick up his kids, etc. I would estimate that 90% of the police vehicles that are speeding, to whatever degree, are infact not on any sort of call or response. Many of the responses in this thread exemplify the attitude that too many officers have that they are somehow better than the public we protect, which does not help the often negative public attitude towards law enforcement. Just my 2 cents. |
| Originally Posted by MSP75 Clouseau, that video was a grave reminder to always watch what the occupants are doing. You never know when the bad guy will send rounds down range. |
| Originally Posted by phuzz01 Quick scenario to give you an example: You are sitting in a crossover, and someone goes by at 85 miles per hour. That equals approximately 125 feet per second. Let's say that after the vehicle goes by, it takes five seconds to put the cruiser in gear, find a safe hole in traffic to pull out of the crossover, and start accelerating. Then it takes another 15 seconds to get up to the same speed as the violator, 85 miles per hour. At this point, you are going the same speed as the violator, and he is 20 seconds, or 2500 feet ahead of you. That is almost a half mile. Now how fast do you have to go to make up almost a half mile on somebody that is going 85 miles per hour? |
| Originally Posted by phuzz01 Quick scenario to give you an example: You are sitting in a crossover, and someone goes by at 85 miles per hour. That equals approximately 125 feet per second. Let's say that after the vehicle goes by, it takes five seconds to put the cruiser in gear, find a safe hole in traffic to pull out of the crossover, and start accelerating. Then it takes another 15 seconds to get up to the same speed as the violator, 85 miles per hour. At this point, you are going the same speed as the violator, and he is 20 seconds, or 2500 feet ahead of you. That is almost a half mile. Now how fast do you have to go to make up almost a half mile on somebody that is going 85 miles per hour? |
| Originally Posted by bbelichick I became a Cop because I hate math. Leave me alone. |
| Originally Posted by SOT_II The question isn't worded properly...as you can go 85.1 mph and catch up on someone going 85 MPH...you have to add how fast do you have to go to catch up on someone going 85 mph and do it in either a distance or a time. Also note that most of the stuff at the begining is useless information...as it seems to be a question of catching up on someone going 85 MPH...and that's it. |
| Originally Posted by bbelichick I became a Cop because I hate math. Leave me alone. |
| Originally Posted by phuzz01 LOL, I guess you won't be putting in for the accident reconstruction team any time soon. |
| Originally Posted by phuzz01 A fair point, SOT, that you have to add in a reasonable distance or time over which you want to catch up. But provided that you do, the stuff in the begining is necessary, because you have to make up that ground in order to catch up. My point, which was obviously lost, was that you can pull out after a speeder and find yourself pretty far back, and the butthead is still putting along at 85-90 like you were never there. In order to catch up, you have to go pretty fast. And if you hit your lights too early, you are just inviting the guy to take the next exit or speed up to get away. It is much easier to catch up first, then light him up. |
| Originally Posted by Clouseau On that note, I'm going to leave you with a video to show you that sirens aren't as effective as you might think when traveling at highway speeds. Sit back and enjoy the ride along. Hopefully afterwards, you won't question the tactics used in someone else's profession. Oh, and when you hear gun shots....duck, because it's an AK -47 being fired... at you! Turn up the volume so you can appreciate the officer's calmness during the situation. This is just another day at the office ...when you play in the big league. http://www.wpmi.com/mediacenter/defa...videoId=116691 |
| Originally Posted by Unregistered Lately I keep seeing state cruisers flyby at 100+ mph with no lights or siren. I realize that they might be responding to a bank robbery or something, but I wish they would use their lights. So I had been wandering why they do that. 1) Are you only allowed to use lights and siren in case of emergency? 2) If you are responding to an emergency are you always supposed to use lights or is it up to the officer. 3) Are you allowed to speed without using lights and siren? Please help me to understand if these guys are driving like nuts because they know they can getaway with it, or it is part of their job and they are simply performing their duty. Thanks. |
| The only town I know that worries about other officers speeding is Fitchburg |
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