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Posted by: JCM1975

Does anyone know why the Quincy Police doesn't have their own SRT/ SWAT team? A city their size should. Why depend on the State or BPD when QPD has just as qualified Officers?



Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

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Originally Posted by JCM1975
Does anyone know why the Quincy Police doesn't have their own SRT/ SWAT team? A city their size should. Why depend on the State or BPD when QPD has just as qualified Officers?
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Posted by: Mitpo62

So many threads on this topic of SWAT/SRT/EST, etc. I am sooooo confused!



Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by JCM1975
Does anyone know why the Quincy Police doesn't have their own SRT/ SWAT team? A city their size should. Why depend on the State or BPD when QPD has just as qualified Officers?
We can barely get tires for our cruisers, and you think we should have a SWAT team??

Some of the things I'd rather have than a SWAT team....safe minimum staffing levels, shotguns in the cruisers, about 5 more K-9's, portable radios that don't make it sound like you're talking through a bucket of water, cruisers that don't explode during pursuits of violent felons, a station that doesn't look like a depth-charged U-Boat whenever it rains, the list goes on.



Posted by: laxball33

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
We can barely get tires for our cruisers, and you think we should have a SWAT team??

Some of the things I'd rather have than a SWAT team....safe minimum staffing levels, shotguns in the cruisers, about 5 more K-9's, portable radios that don't make it sound like you're talking through a bucket of water, cruisers that don't explode during pursuits of violent felons, a station that doesn't look like a depth-charged U-Boat whenever it rains, the list goes on.
Amen, we have one, but they don't use up money so I not going to knock them, alot of those guys actually end up paying out of pocket for their own equipment. I hear you on the other issues, what burns my ass is the minimum staffing levels. I love when I walk into role call and we are going to have less cruisers on the road then my brother's smaller town department during a regular shift. On the positive side we have started to equip patrol with new portables. Though they don't transmit that well if you are on the outer limits of the city. I guess you can't get everything.



Posted by: 94c

we have a minimum staffing level in our contract. if we go below then they are forced to hire o.t. without a minimum to go down to, what determines if someone can take the night off or not?



Posted by: laxball33

We can only have 5 patrol people per shift request time off, on the books of course, then comes the "sickies" so you never know what you might end up with.



Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94c
we have a minimum staffing level in our contract. if we go below then they are forced to hire o.t. without a minimum to go down to, what determines if someone can take the night off or not?
According to our last, and our present labor lawyer, minimum staffing under collective bargaining is illegal.



Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
According to our last, and our present labor lawyer, minimum staffing under collective bargaining is illegal.
well, we have had it forever. and they have tried to take it away through negotiations in the past but we have fought it and eventually held on to it over the years.



Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by 94c
well, we have had it forever. and they have tried to take it away through negotiations in the past but we have fought it and eventually held on to it over the years.
I hope you're right, I'm going to check on it again later today.



Posted by: laxball33

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94c
well, we have had it forever. and they have tried to take it away through negotiations in the past but we have fought it and eventually held on to it over the years.
I always thought it was by Dept. policy and not contract. What Dept. is this? Just curious..



Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
I hope you're right, I'm going to check on it again later today.
how can I not be right? on a shift the minimum is "x" officers. If you want a comp or personal day you cannot have it off once you reach the minimum. If you go below because of sick days or a short term IOD then overtime is hired to get you back to the minimum. It's been this way for the 24 years that I have been here. Are you trying to say that I have the only department in the state that has this? If so, then maybe I should have kept my mouth shut and not given away this dirty little secret



Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94c
how can I not be right? on a shift the minimum is "x" officers. If you want a comp or personal day you cannot have it off once you reach the minimum. If you go below because of sick days or a short term IOD then overtime is hired to get you back to the minimum. It's been this way for the 24 years that I have been here. Are you trying to say that I have the only department in the state that has this? If so, then maybe I should have kept my mouth shut and not given away this dirty little secret
I think you misunderstood me.....I'm talking about minimum staffing by contract, which would be full staffing. For example, we have 13 sectors, but a minimum of 10 are staffed on certain shifts. A contract priviso that all 13 be staffed 24/7 is illegal, or so our attorney said.



Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
I think you misunderstood me.....I'm talking about minimum staffing by contract, which would be full staffing. For example, we have 13 sectors, but a minimum of 10 are staffed on certain shifts. A contract priviso that all 13 be staffed 24/7 is illegal, or so our attorney said.
so if you go below the "10" do you hire o/t?
if so, is that contractual or department policy?
I think I'm missing something here



Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94c
so if you go below the "10" do you hire o/t?
if so, is that contractual or department policy?
I think I'm missing something here
Yes, if it goes below 10, then OT is authorized.

That's department policy. My point is that the Chief can set whatever staffing levels he wants to, but we cannot get minimum staffing into the collective bargaining agreement. So, if he wants to have all 13 sectors staffed, 24/7, that's great, but it's his decision. We can't force the issue.



Posted by: 94c

well I'm not going to tell you what department I work for because obviously our contract is illegal. our minimum is spelled out in our contract. as a matter of fact, our contract includes increasing that minimum during christmas and new years.



Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94c
well I'm not going to tell you what department I work for because obviously our contract is illegal. our minimum is spelled out in our contract. as a matter of fact, our contract includes increasing that minimum during christmas and new years.
If you have contractual minimum staffing, that's great. Just don't advertise it.

Check with yout union attorney about the legality.



Posted by: tarc

Delta is correct. We tried a couple of years ago to get shift minimums in our contract, but the union attorney said it was illegal. This was after our chief felt "x" numbers of patrol officers on the road was safe. It was hard far us to understand, when we have towns 1/5 of our size with two less (one-man) crusiers on the road, than we did.



Posted by: Clouseau

If you guys want minimum staffing, join the fire dept.
If a mattress is empty, they must hire ot.



Posted by: Nuclearaudio

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Quote:
Originally Posted by JCM1975
Does anyone know why the Quincy Police doesn't have their own SRT/ SWAT team? A city their size should. Why depend on the State or BPD when QPD has just as qualified Officers?




Posted by: Mr.90/24

How often does most cities and towns really need a STOP Team for a situation. What is the big deal if MSP shows up, put the type A Per. away and just work together.





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